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Speaker 3: So then we go back to the present time and
Speaker 3: Rory said the same thing. She's like, you couldn't have said,
Speaker 3: you know, he took you, he bought you a book
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: And so I love when we go back to the
Speaker 2: couch and right because.
Speaker 3: Rory's like, what you show me this?
Speaker 2: You breathe because you're like, oh, thank god because that
Speaker 2: was so gnarly that. Thank god we're out of that.
Speaker 2: And then it is sort of you get that moment
Speaker 2: of levity with yeah lurline. You're like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And then how jarring was it to see Kirk sitting
Speaker 3: at Emily's dinner table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, Like that whole thing for me, him at
Speaker 2: the table, him playing soccer, The whole.
Speaker 1: Thing was like his line. And thank god I'm a
Speaker 1: loud crier. Otherwise erto wouldn't have heard me and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been rescued. Lord knows what could have happened.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the issue. Here's here's a red flag fag
Speaker 1: for me in terms of characterization. And I know Laura
Speaker 1: l I goes through the you know, the you know,
Speaker 1: Dante's layers of hell every time she passes through that
Speaker 1: foyer into the Gilmour household. Okay, so she's ridiculed and
Speaker 1: abused by Richard and Emily on a regular basis. I felt, however,
Speaker 1: that Luke coming in and having just you know, trying
Speaker 1: to hug Emily and she snaps at him about her hair,
Speaker 1: and then he has to stand there. They don't even
Speaker 1: offer him a seat. He stands there with a plate,
Speaker 1: eating and trying. They're trying to converse with him the.
Speaker 2: Part of the bit because he's not supposed to understand.
Speaker 1: I get it, But but get the guy a chair, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's funny to treat a
Speaker 1: character like that on the same level as it's It's
Speaker 1: like Luke was being reduced to a Kirk level where
Speaker 1: he's just not worthy of respect.
Speaker 2: Intentional.
Speaker 1: It's intentional, Yeah, why why would you do that to
Speaker 1: that character? But Laurela I is sitting there, like, Mom,
Speaker 1: get Luke a chair, what do you what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I mean her staff does anything that Emily says, and
Speaker 1: laurel I didn't even speak up for him, and he's
Speaker 1: standing going to.
Speaker 2: Be honest because the bit it plays better how it
Speaker 2: was because you realize, like I think it's amusing to
Speaker 2: see the awkwardness between Emily and Luke, right, and then
Speaker 2: Richard's chair. That's an important moment, or even Lorlai with
Speaker 2: the eyes there, you know, the whole thing, it's a
Speaker 2: part of the scene. I think it's important.
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was unfortunate because it made Emily
Speaker 1: just look like a vindictatory.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point. I think that that is the point, Like.
Speaker 1: It's too much, it's laying it on too thick for me.
Speaker 2: It tracks with her, and it's why because if she
Speaker 2: did all the right things, then we're gonna like her more.
Speaker 2: In this case, we understand why there's so much friction
Speaker 2: between Lorelai and Emily because she behaves that way. If
Speaker 2: she behaved perfectly, then we're gonna be like, Loralai, you
Speaker 2: need to be nicer to your mother. But we don't
Speaker 2: do that because we're like, oh no, she lore Li's right,
Speaker 2: So that's just my opinion on it. But that's an.
Speaker 3: Interesting point that you make, Scott, and I hadn't thought
Speaker 3: about that, but I did notice it. Back at the
Speaker 3: funeral scene, it did catch my eye that when Luke
Speaker 3: was leaving to take word to the airport, he hugged
Speaker 3: Emily and it wasn't an awkward hug like it seemed normal.
Speaker 3: And then in this back in the present time when
Speaker 3: they're at the dinner and he comes up to her
Speaker 3: and like kind of hugs her again and messes up
Speaker 3: her hair. To me, that was like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 3: guess Emily has finally accepted Luke, because that's Emily, not weird.
Speaker 3: But then, but you do make a good point about
Speaker 3: the chair, like he should have been offered to see.
Speaker 3: I mean, the staff should have made another's bring up.
Speaker 2: That's Emily. The character is so polarizing, and that's why.
Speaker 1: But she doesn't see Luke as a serious person. She
Speaker 1: doesn't see she's like she does that is not your
Speaker 1: partner in life. He's a roommate because you haven't been married.
Speaker 2: Sometimes she does.
Speaker 1: She doesn't respect him well, sometimes.
Speaker 2: She does, sometimes she doesn't, which to me, the character's
Speaker 2: written very well. Because if she was one or the other,
Speaker 2: we would either love her or we would hate her.
Speaker 2: And because she's written so complicated, like sometimes she does
Speaker 2: the right thing, sometimes she says the right thing, sometimes
Speaker 2: she says the wrong thing. You're like drawn into this
Speaker 2: character that you're like, sometimes you really like her.
Speaker 1: But that's not Luke in that scene. That is that.
Speaker 1: It's a puppet. It's a it's a bad imitation of Luke.
Speaker 1: Luke comes in and he doesn't take that, he says,
Speaker 1: Luke says, he says, can I get a chair please?
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. I disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I totally disagree with you on this. He walks in
Speaker 1: there and says, like, could I get a chair please?
Speaker 1: It's not rude to ask for a chair when somebody
Speaker 1: hands you a place.
Speaker 2: He's not going to do that. He's just he's not
Speaker 2: going to do that. No, he's not because he's way
Speaker 2: too deferential to her. That's his mother in law ish
Speaker 2: and he's just not going to. He's just not going to.
Speaker 2: He's not going to. I don't think it's emasculating that
Speaker 2: he is just kind of like, chill about it.
Speaker 1: I don't there's another point of view where he's just
Speaker 1: he knows what he's getting into and it doesn't bother room.
Speaker 1: And it's like, of course this is going to happen,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And he walks out of the house like, thank god,
Speaker 1: I'm out of there. You know, I know what I'm
Speaker 1: I know what I'm going to get in there.
Speaker 2: To me, and he just knows, and it's like and
Speaker 2: it doesn't And I don't think it does bother him
Speaker 2: because he's not there for Emily. He's there for Lorelai,
Speaker 2: and he's always if it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Bother anxious, why is he?
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, because it's still uncomfortable, because you're still
Speaker 2: going to be uncomfortable. But he's just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: this is what I deal with with this woman. Same
Speaker 2: thing with Lorelai. If this woman was so amazing and
Speaker 2: Luke thought she was fantastic, it makes Lorelai not getting
Speaker 2: along with her Laura Li's fault. It's not realized fault.
Speaker 2: That's just how I see it. He doesn't care. He's
Speaker 2: not there to get a chair or deal with Emily.
Speaker 2: He's there because.
Speaker 1: I just think he's very comfortable in his own skin.
Speaker 1: He knows who he is, and he doesn't let people
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: He never lets people do this.
Speaker 2: But I think I agree with you up until the
Speaker 2: he doesn't let people do that to him. He's so
Speaker 2: comfortable in his own skin and knows who she is,
Speaker 2: doesn't care this does.
Speaker 1: Then why is he anxious about it?
Speaker 2: Because it's just Emily. That's just how I feel.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then I mean, yeah, you can everyone can
Speaker 2: see it different because I'm sure there's people that don't
Speaker 2: see Emily the way I see Emily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot I would not. I would if
Speaker 1: if my live in if I was living with somebody
Speaker 1: and they came into my mother's house and my mother
Speaker 1: didn't offer them a chair, I would speak up. Anybody
Speaker 1: would that happened that had any kind of upbringing and.
Speaker 2: Tail as old as time mother in laws and son
Speaker 2: in laws and talk about mother in laws and daughter.
Speaker 1: But he is he isn't a son in law roommate.
Speaker 2: Well, we can get into that.
Speaker 1: Luke got the Kirk treatment and I thought, I think
Speaker 1: it's bad for the character.
Speaker 2: Got a chair.
Speaker 1: He placed, He didn't even chair. Okay, here's here's the
Speaker 1: point Luke doesn't get a seat at the table. That's
Speaker 1: the message. Okay, he's not included. Oh he's only he's
Speaker 1: only so good if if Kirk vacates his chair, then
Speaker 1: maybe he could sit.
Speaker 2: And I only disagree because he was the dunt chair,
Speaker 2: the dunce chair. Get he wasn't even there for dinner.
Speaker 2: He's coming to pick them up. He's not. It's not
Speaker 2: like he was an invited guest and didn't have a chair.
Speaker 1: It's give him a plate of food, but not a chair,
Speaker 1: a seat at the table.
Speaker 2: It's also for the bit.
Speaker 1: It's just like I know, I get it, but it's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't track. It doesn't track track perfectly.
Speaker 2: Don't sit in Richard's chair and then as soon as
Speaker 2: Kirk goes to play he sits there.
Speaker 1: Just it doesn't make Laurel I look very good. But
Speaker 1: that saying hey, Mom, get him a chair, or getting.
Speaker 2: Up to Mom, get him a chair. She should get
Speaker 2: up and get a chair. That's like that guy.
Speaker 1: Standing there like some kind of a jackass.
Speaker 2: You would never say, hey Mom, get him a chair.
Speaker 2: She's like a seventy la the staff or Laura, I
Speaker 2: should get up and get you a chair. Yes, that's
Speaker 2: my po just all the awkwardness. It's just all the
Speaker 2: awkwardness that for me, it makes the scene track because
Speaker 2: that's Emily, the awkward hug, the messing, the hair, the
Speaker 2: whole thing, and it tracks that at the funeral, she
Speaker 2: wasn't like that, because she is the queen of hot, cold, push, pull, good,
Speaker 2: bad at any rate.
Speaker 3: They all pile in the truck and go back to
Speaker 3: the diner, and this is where we find out that
Speaker 3: April wrote a letter to Luke. She went to MIT
Speaker 3: and they start talking about having a fresh kid, fresh kid,
Speaker 3: a fresh kid. So little tiny red flag on this
Speaker 3: scene is when Laura, I said, made some comment to
Speaker 3: Luke about don't you want to see your kids graduation?
Speaker 3: But he would have gone to April's graduations, so he
Speaker 3: did go to his. He did see his kids graduation worse,
Speaker 3: and she'd had multiple graduations by that point.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of storyline, I think, because this storyline
Speaker 2: would have been really good. Two years later, I will
Speaker 2: say to you, they are writing for just like you said,
Speaker 2: they didn't pay attention to season seven. They're writing for
Speaker 2: a show that was shortly after they wrapped the original series,
Speaker 2: and it all makes all If you think of it
Speaker 2: that way, all the storylines make really good sense.
Speaker 1: So but here's another example of pragmatic Luke, who's not
Speaker 1: all in the time changes people. He's halfway in. He's
Speaker 1: got to change it. He's like, nah, I do you know?
Speaker 1: He used to be all in and now he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't get everything you want in life,
Speaker 1: and so I got it pretty good. You know, I
Speaker 1: have a kid, and I have a job, and I
Speaker 1: have you, and that's you know, it's all positive and
Speaker 1: Sonny and all that glass half full. But actually, really
Speaker 1: Luke and he doesn't want a kid not buying.
Speaker 2: It, Well, it's a kid.
Speaker 1: She's a kid buying it. Well, I'm not buying that.
Speaker 1: They're having this conversation eight years later.
Speaker 2: I already agree with you again. I agree with you
Speaker 2: there completely. But I don't think he sees his relationship
Speaker 2: with her less than because they did not have a
Speaker 2: kid together.
Speaker 3: I agree. And when you when you made that comment, Scott,
Speaker 3: when I said before that one of my favorite lines
Speaker 3: in the entire series is in this episode that was
Speaker 3: it is when he says nobody gets to have everything
Speaker 3: they want in life all in all, I think I
Speaker 3: did pretty good. Line chokes me up every time I thought.
Speaker 3: It's like, I think the definition of all in changes
Speaker 3: as we get older, and I think whether or not
Speaker 3: they should have had the kid conversation five, six, seven
Speaker 3: years ago or not. I think he's like at the
Speaker 3: point in his life as an adult that he's like, hey,
Speaker 3: this is I'm fine with this. I've got the woman
Speaker 3: I love, you know, I've got Rory, I've got April.
Speaker 3: I just really liked that line, and so I pluly
Speaker 3: agree that this should not be the first time they're
Speaker 3: discussing having children. I think that absolutely would have in
Speaker 3: reality happened years earlier. So I'd completely agree with that part.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like it was kind of
Speaker 3: nice to see Luke finally acknowledging happiness because Luke is
Speaker 3: he's just had so much crap happened to him, like
Speaker 3: he lost his parents young and then his sister's a deadbeat,
Speaker 3: and you know, all this stuff happens to him over
Speaker 3: his life, and now he's like, kind of, for me,
Speaker 3: he kind of like reached an equilibrium with.
Speaker 1: All of it.
Speaker 3: So that that's one of my favorite Luke lines in line.
Speaker 1: I just I think they missed a lot of storytelling
Speaker 1: and a lot of fan satisfaction when they chose to
Speaker 1: give Suki children Lane children. Everybody's having children all over
Speaker 1: the place, but the focal, the most important relationship in
Speaker 1: the entire series, Luke and Lreli. There's no life, there's
Speaker 1: no growing, there's no children. I think you're going to
Speaker 1: have a lot, no generations of them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: I just think I do. Yeah, I do not agree.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I think it's a missed opportunity. I do not thought
Speaker 1: it was a massive missed opportunity, and to reduce it,
Speaker 1: to reduce the character to the point where he makes
Speaker 1: this pragmatic little speech, albe are so much. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a massive storytelling missed opportunity.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was the exact opposite, right and again because
Speaker 2: we come from two different perspectives on this, but I
Speaker 2: thought it just hit me right in the heart when
Speaker 2: he says I got it pretty good, like it's not perfect,
Speaker 2: but he's so satisfied. He's so content. He's not wanting more,
Speaker 2: wanting more, or wishing this or wishing that. He's like,
Speaker 2: I have you, I've got April, I've got Rory like
Speaker 2: I've got it all, Like he's going, I've got it all.
Speaker 2: And I actually think there's something kind of significant about
Speaker 2: this love and this partnership that they have of they
Speaker 2: didn't need children to solidify that, like they have this
Speaker 2: iconic relationship. I just don't think again that because they
Speaker 2: didn't have children together they are any less them.
Speaker 3: I think you're both right. I think I think it
Speaker 3: would have been great for this episode to open with
Speaker 3: Luke and laurel I having a five year old running
Speaker 3: around like that would have been my perfect thing. But
Speaker 3: since we didn't get that, at least we got some
Speaker 3: expression that Luke is, you know, said satisfied in his
Speaker 3: relationship with Lorelei. So if I couldn't have but I wanted,
Speaker 3: at least I got, you know, And I.
Speaker 2: So validate what you're saying. I validate what you're saying,
Speaker 2: and yet I see it so differently. I love that
Speaker 2: this couple didn't have kids like that they they had kids,
Speaker 2: like she has a kid, he has a kid. They
Speaker 2: are together despite all the things that kind of got
Speaker 2: in the way over the seven years, they're still together
Speaker 2: and they have this great relationship which not only are
Speaker 2: they best friends. They are still like attracted to each other,
Speaker 2: and yes, we have some conflict coming. Sorry sorry, sorry,
Speaker 2: but to me, they are the ultimate couple and they
Speaker 2: are the heart of this series, these four movies, these
Speaker 2: four episodes, and as you go through it, I think
Speaker 2: you'll see that. I think that's to me, the movies
Speaker 2: are about Emily and Lorli and Luke and Loreli, and
Speaker 2: that's why I sort of think Rory is a bit
Speaker 2: of a caricature, but we'll get into that. This is
Speaker 2: about them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then I totally.
Speaker 1: Feels as a generation dies off, a new generation is
Speaker 1: brought into the world. I think that's better storytelling. I
Speaker 1: think Richard passes, but then there's a child between Luke
Speaker 1: and Laurela. I think that's more balanced. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Continue to continue the bloodline, continue it, continue it.
Speaker 2: And again, I respect where you and Susanna are at
Speaker 2: because you're coming at it from like you're bringing your
Speaker 2: own perspective into it, which I totally validate. But I
Speaker 2: think there's something kind of amazing about this couple being
Speaker 2: this couple. I don't think it makes them less than
Speaker 2: that they didn't have kid together.
Speaker 1: At the table, he doesn't want a kid. Give me
Speaker 1: a break. What are you talking about? You want to
Speaker 1: destroying this guy. They're destroying this character.
Speaker 2: I disagree.
Speaker 1: He's not Luke. It does. He doesn't act like Luke,
Speaker 1: he doesn't sound like Luke.
Speaker 2: He never said he didn't want a kid.
Speaker 1: He where is his self respect that he's subjecting himself
Speaker 1: at this age? How old is he now? How he's
Speaker 1: in his fifties, he's well into his fifties. And he
Speaker 1: walks into a house of a woman that he's living
Speaker 1: with and gets disrespected to that degree. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's not thirty, he's not twenty five. He's
Speaker 1: a grown ass man. And he gets he doesn't get
Speaker 1: a seat at the table. He wasn't even and that's okay,
Speaker 1: and he just accepts it, and he's like bigger than that.
Speaker 2: I just see it so differently. That's just to make
Speaker 2: Emily Emily. He was there to pick them up. He's
Speaker 2: there to sort of save the day because of Kirk
Speaker 2: super it's all sort of like a little bit lighter.
Speaker 1: I understand that, But you don't put that character in
Speaker 1: that situation. That's all I'm saying. It makes everybody look bad.
Speaker 2: It's say it makes only one person look bad.
Speaker 1: It only makes Emily look bad. It made Laurel I
Speaker 1: look bad, and it made Luke look.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I disagree, that makes one person look bad, Emily,
Speaker 2: and that was the intention. Is not to make Luke
Speaker 2: look like weak. It's just to make Emily be Emily,
Speaker 2: because if Emily does everything perfectly, we're gonna love her
Speaker 2: and we're not meant to.
Speaker 3: So there in Paris's office, starting the surrogate conversation, and
Speaker 3: that ends with Luke like he's out, he doesn't want
Speaker 3: any part of the surrogate thing.
Speaker 2: Then we bought just to say it totally tracks that
Speaker 2: Paris is the top surrogacy doctor. Like all of how
Speaker 2: she turned out totally turned out exactly how you would think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly what we expect. So then it goes
Speaker 3: to London. Now we can meet Naomi Shropshire, who's the
Speaker 3: woman that Rory wrote the article about. She's stealing everybody's food.
Speaker 3: But it's a good conversation. They're going to write a
Speaker 3: book and it's going to be fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2: Then we see that was all kind of whatever for me,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I like it from er, I like her
Speaker 2: from me R.
Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, I don't care about I
Speaker 1: think we're you know, we missed a major midpoint. The
Speaker 1: midpoint scene halfway through dissected this in two halves right.
Speaker 1: It ended the conversation between Luke and Laurela about having
Speaker 1: a kid, because he just she walked out. He walked
Speaker 1: out first, she walked out, there was no dialogue, and
Speaker 1: then he just said no and he walked off and
Speaker 1: that was it. So the character destruction is complete for him.
Speaker 1: And now we moved to London, okay, which I thought
Speaker 1: was I was greatly relieved because I was no longer
Speaker 1: witnessing this destruction of this character. I was now with
Speaker 1: Alex Kingston and the great Alex Kingston and Rory in
Speaker 1: London stealing food from waiters, which I thought was hysterically funny.
Speaker 2: Right, Scott, that we were ready for a little bit
Speaker 2: of levity, a little bit of a different like take
Speaker 2: us to a different place. They did.
Speaker 1: The scene was funny and it was the Yaya. But
Speaker 1: it's like we got to see Paris, yeah wow, and
Speaker 1: we got to see Luke with about an eighty IQ.
Speaker 2: You know, start where I agree with you, Scott, this
Speaker 2: was Luke at his worst. I don't I haven't seen
Speaker 2: it until basically now, but this is where I was
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 1: I do take it personally because I invested a lot
Speaker 1: in this character for seven years, put a lot of care.
Speaker 1: I mean, it dominated my life from two thousand and
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Then I see this, it's like, boy,
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not easy. I apologize to the
Speaker 1: fans if i'm I'm being a little redundant, but it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch it, you know.
Speaker 2: No, I think you were right to go and try
Speaker 2: and say this is not what this character would do,
Speaker 2: because it's also like, I don't know what the word
Speaker 2: is for him thinking like he's going to sleep with
Speaker 2: these people. Not only is it buffoonish, it's also like
Speaker 2: making Sacy clowney and there's nothing clowny about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's like, yeah, I agree with you that this
Speaker 2: is the writing where I'm like, why would they do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they are iconoclasts. Nothing is sacred, and that's
Speaker 1: as well it should be to be able to write
Speaker 1: the way they write. Okay, yeah, that's why it's so funny.
Speaker 2: I guess this wasn't funny to me, it was idiotic,
Speaker 2: but whatever, it was buffoony. It was so buffoony. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this guy's not a buffoon. He knows exactly what surrogacy is.
Speaker 2: And also so do we. So it's like just definitely
Speaker 2: clowned up. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and like I said, the first time, it was
Speaker 3: kind of funny, like, oh, he doesn't understand what it is.
Speaker 3: But then like he keeps like repeating it over and over.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's it's just dumb, Like let that go.
Speaker 3: I didn't appreciate that they kept repeating it over and over.
Speaker 3: So then at the end of the day, we go
Speaker 3: to an apartment. We don't know whose apartment it was
Speaker 3: at first a great reveal.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know who she was talking to, right exactly
Speaker 1: is she talking to Laura La on the phone, and
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 2: See it? I mean I obviously know it was coming
Speaker 2: this time. The first time you see it. Had I
Speaker 2: been in the movie theater, I think I would have applauded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, applauded, Yes, definitely. We lost her. She said that
Speaker 1: go find the applause, you'll find him there you go,
Speaker 1: Logan's on screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So then we find out that it's Logan's apartment.
Speaker 3: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas about finding another
Speaker 3: woman's things in the closet, so we kind of get
Speaker 3: the feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah again again, the magic of this relationship is now
Speaker 1: completely null. Now we're talking about casual relations on both
Speaker 1: parts of these characters.
Speaker 2: It totally tracks for me with something Rory would do.
Speaker 2: That's my thing with it. It's like, first of all,
Speaker 2: I love the reveal of Logan's.
Speaker 1: It's not Gilmore Girls, it's.
Speaker 2: Something, but so is Gilmore Girls because.
Speaker 1: A friendly, friendly whole show. And now it's like modern.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what she did with Dean. It's really not different.
Speaker 2: She's definitely got some like relationship issue, right, we're dealing
Speaker 2: with that. She's got this Paul guy who she can't
Speaker 2: even remember. It's totally ridiculous. And she's obviously like still
Speaker 2: entangled with Logan. And there's more to come with all this,
Speaker 2: but like, I love the reveal of it, and I
Speaker 2: love the complexity of Rory's messes up relationships constantly, constantly,
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's because she's got like
Speaker 2: a messed up daddy issue with Christopher, like it all
Speaker 2: tracks like some psychologists would have a field day because
Speaker 2: she constantly sabotages her own relationships and situation.
Speaker 1: She watched her mom do.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, correct, correct, we watched her mom.
Speaker 1: Do it for seven years. Yeah. The Maxes and the
Speaker 1: Diggers and the Christopher's and who the who you know,
Speaker 1: whoever you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Rory seems to think she can have her
Speaker 3: cake and eat it too. Like there's multiple times where
Speaker 3: she's got two guys at the same time and I
Speaker 3: can't remember. I don't think we really saw Loralai doing that, except,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe when she slept with Christopher after the ultimatum.
Speaker 3: But I think it's a little bit different. Rory's always
Speaker 3: on this pecifically.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mind, Like she's obviously sort of quote cheating on
Speaker 2: this Paul guy, and we obviously don't know now.
Speaker 1: She doesn't remember him. He evaporates in her memory, so
Speaker 1: it's not really cheating technically.
Speaker 2: So stupid, but she knows that Logan's obviously got others
Speaker 2: or someone else who don't know at this point, But
Speaker 2: she doesn't have any problem with fit. And that's where
Speaker 2: you're like, this.
Speaker 3: Character is so flawed. Yeah, Like she keeps saying, Oh,
Speaker 3: I keep forgetting to break up with Paul.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Paul.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe she doesn't see it as cheating because she
Speaker 3: keeps forgetting about Paul. But I think Paul would probably
Speaker 3: see it as cheating if we were to ask him.
Speaker 2: It's just weird Rory doesn't. She just is so like
Speaker 2: self centered and not caring about other someone else. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought it was very telling about
Speaker 2: the character, but also I like it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to she's dating the guy two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't remember the guy. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like she's mentally all there. It sounds
Speaker 1: like she's is there's some kind of disease where she
Speaker 1: can date somebody for two years and like actually not
Speaker 1: remember them because there's is it because there's so many
Speaker 1: people that she's dating that.
Speaker 2: This is very weird and.
Speaker 1: Very odd.
Speaker 2: She's that self centered. It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Okay, So then Luke's diner the Wi Fi password
Speaker 3: keeps changing. That is funny. Barra Casey in that scene.
Speaker 1: She was she was in that first table by herself.
Speaker 1: She's she's sick because the casting director of seasons two
Speaker 1: through seven, and then episodes as well. She was marrak
Speaker 1: Casey did not cast the pilot, but she did come
Speaker 1: on season two. She came on season two.
Speaker 2: So hysterical bit with the Wi Fi password and it's
Speaker 2: like me a minute to get it.
Speaker 3: It was awesome. Oh, that was so funny, so funny,
Speaker 3: and it was great to see Luke, you know, because
Speaker 3: Taylor and Luke always butted heads through the whole seven seasons,
Speaker 3: and so it was kind of fun to see them
Speaker 3: like coming together on something when Taylor kind of does
Speaker 3: Luke this favor by screaming at everybody about the Wi
Speaker 3: Fi and so then like Luke does him a solid by.
Speaker 2: And just a funny why. I mean, at first it
Speaker 2: took me a minute. He's just like, it's Hamburger five
Speaker 2: four to two? Did you put the exclamation by?
Speaker 1: Like it's so funny, But it was so dumb right
Speaker 1: that he doesn't know what a Sarah it is, But
Speaker 1: he's clever enough.
Speaker 2: To thank you. That's why I agreed. Look, you and
Speaker 2: I are on the same page on the surrogate thing.
Speaker 2: It's absurd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's nice to finally be on a page
Speaker 1: with you. Amy back where I belong.
Speaker 3: We have Paris in the diner, Rory comes to the diner,
Speaker 3: Rory in Paris on Yeah, okay, so the Troubadour's sister.
Speaker 3: Did you guys see who that was?
Speaker 1: That's that's Sam Phillips. No, it's not Sam. Sam Phillips sounded.
Speaker 3: Like it's Louise Goffin. Who's that Carol King's daughter?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yes, who actually sings the theme song? Right right.
Speaker 3: I loved that. I thought it was that was the
Speaker 3: Troubadour was chasing her.
Speaker 1: I associate a Goffin's voice with Sam Phillips because I
Speaker 1: hear that. I hear that song so often. You think.
Speaker 3: So that that was a fun, a fun cameo.
Speaker 2: There lots of good Easter eggs.
Speaker 1: She's a nifty singer too, and a guitar player. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then Paris and Rory are riding around on
Speaker 3: Kirk's uber cart.
Speaker 2: Hilarious.
Speaker 3: And then we find out that Paris and Doyle split up.
Speaker 3: That was a bummer because I thought they were perfect together.
Speaker 2: There's a little sort of wink wink somewhere where it's
Speaker 2: mentioned he's a screenwriter because he is.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then they pull into the driveway at Lane's house.
Speaker 3: Did you see they almost out on that cart? They
Speaker 3: almost went flying. I missed that. Bob and the two
Speaker 3: women were like grabbing the sides.
Speaker 2: Lane has moved to Suki's house. Yes, I'd like to
Speaker 2: see them almost eat it. I need to go back
Speaker 2: and watch that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go back to it because it's pretty funny. I
Speaker 3: don't think that was planned, but they both had to
Speaker 3: grab at it sides and Alexis almost fell off.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to uh because we missed
Speaker 1: a really great Luke line when he called Laura l
Speaker 1: I when Paris came in. He said, I've got uh
Speaker 1: two arm wrestling breeders here, and tell Laura, I've got
Speaker 1: two arm wrestling breeders here in Mischel. It's the only
Speaker 1: time I've ever seen Michelle at a loss for words.
Speaker 1: He goes because because two of her breeders were in there,
Speaker 1: she brought him. We'll move forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was good, and Luke is always a good there's.
Speaker 1: Always He's never been at a loss for words until
Speaker 1: that moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Lane and Zach's house, now we've got the band, right,
Speaker 3: We've got gies.
Speaker 1: That was pretty great.
Speaker 2: It was very almost suddenly happening without shoving it in
Speaker 2: our faces.
Speaker 1: Right, It was so gradual. They were just showing up
Speaker 1: and they played us song and it was like a
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. One important point that was in this scene
Speaker 3: that was very small was Lurlai calls Rory and Rory
Speaker 3: says she stayed at her friend Beatie's. So she's lying
Speaker 3: to Laura.
Speaker 2: In London.
Speaker 3: In London, and she said, I stayed with Dede. So
Speaker 3: we see Rory lying to Laura I about being with Logan.
Speaker 3: So that's an important informational point is that Laura I
Speaker 3: does not know about that because we don't We don't
Speaker 3: know when Logan and Rory started seeing each other again,
Speaker 3: like or did it right?
Speaker 2: We don't know anything, so.
Speaker 1: That I did.
Speaker 3: I noted that when I was watching it this time. Okay,
Speaker 3: So then one of my favorite scenes, we go back
Speaker 3: to Emily and Richard's house and Emily's wearing the.
Speaker 2: I tried so hard to find that, Sure, you have
Speaker 2: no idea. I've been trying to find all the clothes,
Speaker 2: which I'll tell everybody about later, but.
Speaker 3: H but she's still wearing it with her pretty gold
Speaker 3: necklace that she wore throughout her personal I loved it
Speaker 3: with the T shirt. Is this classic?
Speaker 2: Looking good?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so they have a conversation. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: good conversation about decluttering her life and Laurel wise like you.
Speaker 2: There's a shout out to to what's her face Marie Condo, Yes,
Speaker 2: which I was like, Marie Conda was eight years ago.
Speaker 2: Feels like I know it was like two years ago.
Speaker 3: Okay. And then Emily talks about the envelope in the
Speaker 3: safe that's marked body shipping cash.
Speaker 2: God, that was so fun.
Speaker 3: Oh my, that whole scene was greatly.
Speaker 2: I didn't have and Emily and the jeans shook the
Speaker 2: world at the time too. It was great.
Speaker 3: Scott, what did you think of that scene?
Speaker 1: I don't know. The discussion of going to Washington State
Speaker 1: to be euthanized is morbid to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was rap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to hear that. It's not the
Speaker 1: it's not the show. Sorry, it's just this is a film.
Speaker 1: This is a some scenes just I thought, hmm.
Speaker 2: I know, you're You're right. There are things about these
Speaker 2: movies that are awesome and I'm so glad we have them.
Speaker 2: And then there's things that you're like, yeah, so I
Speaker 2: remember not liking it. The first time I watched this.
Speaker 2: I was so disappointed. I was like that, this is
Speaker 2: not good, and I kept hanging on, like this is
Speaker 2: going to be good, This is going to be good.
Speaker 2: Now there, I think they're much much better.
Speaker 1: I think the real takeaway from the scene is that
Speaker 1: Emily woke or lie up a little bit about the
Speaker 1: true nature of relationship with Blue because that you guys
Speaker 1: aren't real partners, you're just roommates. Yeah, she said, I
Speaker 1: had a real partner for fifty years. Yeah, he's gone
Speaker 1: on and we had something real. You don't have anything
Speaker 1: just awful, awful that.
Speaker 2: She says that awful. Yeah, I agree, horrendous.
Speaker 3: I did like, now, Amy, did you're from northern California?
Speaker 3: Did you catch the Winchester Mystery Family rest?
Speaker 2: Of course, yes, of course that seems like a very
Speaker 2: hour specific two hours from my house. Yeah, I've actually
Speaker 2: never been there.
Speaker 3: I never have either. Yeah, it's just a very California
Speaker 3: specific reference. So I thought it was interesting that Laura like,
Speaker 3: we don't go because it's like it would be challenging
Speaker 3: to go because like where am I It's too far
Speaker 3: to just like go from here too far to go
Speaker 3: to la and you're like, am I staying in San
Speaker 3: Luis obispo, Like I don't want to do that?
Speaker 1: What right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I just thought that was just excited. I didn't think
Speaker 3: it was something that Laurela I would necessarily have known about.
Speaker 3: But anyways, we couldn't talk about that in culture maybe.
Speaker 3: So then the final scene of the episode is back
Speaker 3: in the town square. We've got cute little towns, people
Speaker 3: walking around in snowflake costumes, the Troubadours singing fountains of
Speaker 3: Wayne's song. The dog is dressed as Luke.
Speaker 2: That was like the best planka and that is the
Speaker 2: original Polenka. That is the original Polanka fourteen years old.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: So this is the nail in the coffin of the
Speaker 3: surrogate idea. Laurel I tells uh Paris that it's off.
Speaker 3: Kirk has now moved on to another career because his
Speaker 3: uber career.
Speaker 2: Is getting sued by Uber.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then the therapy conversation Emily, Emily totally baited.
Speaker 2: Larela Luke knew and Luke's like I tried to warn you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like waving his hands I thought it was
Speaker 3: a cute ending, and then we get very good ending,
Speaker 3: so you can't go wrong and parton song, I.
Speaker 2: Literally wanted to cry because I'm like, oh man, it
Speaker 2: made me feel I don't know the word other than melancholy,
Speaker 2: like I was happy, I was sad, I was like
Speaker 2: or bitter sweet. It was like I loved it and
Speaker 2: then I'm like, oh no, and in my heart, I
Speaker 2: just it's sank because I'm like, I need more of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was you want to know what's gonna what
Speaker 3: else is going to come next?
Speaker 2: Well, and I need more now, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: made me feel a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, that's all right. Are going to rate this?
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, Suzanne, what are you going to give it?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm going to give this it's a whole.
Speaker 1: New criteria now because it's a film, nothing we have
Speaker 1: nothing to measure it against yet, right, I can't.
Speaker 2: Just give it one score. I feel like I have
Speaker 2: to give it like a few scores, like a nostalgia score,
Speaker 2: a score, a score if I only watched this, a
Speaker 2: score like I've got a lot.
Speaker 1: Of Okay, how about a score a nostalgia score, hearkening
Speaker 1: back to is it similar to Gilmore Girls? And did
Speaker 1: it make you give you the field? And then another score?
Speaker 1: Do you think it succeeded in defining its own space
Speaker 1: as a modern Gilmore Girl? So let's those are the
Speaker 1: two scores as a film. Do you think it was
Speaker 1: successful as a film? Okay? The confusing enough, I have more.
Speaker 3: I know. I had to write it down. What we're
Speaker 3: doing here for nostalgia's fake. I loved seeing the town
Speaker 3: people again. I liked seeing Jason Styles again. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to give that an eight. I have to pick
Speaker 3: a measuring stick, don't I. Oh yeah, I am going
Speaker 3: to give that.
Speaker 2: Eight.
Speaker 3: Singing Rabbi dolls at Loralized House.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: Rating it just as a film kind of on its
Speaker 3: own merit.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it seven a Candies T shirts.
Speaker 1: Amy.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is so complicated for me. I'm going
Speaker 2: to give it like an eight for nostalgia. Also, I
Speaker 2: was so happy, like there were so many things. I
Speaker 2: love the fashion and there's so many things. I love
Speaker 2: the seeing all these people. I love the Logan reveal.
Speaker 2: I'll give it eight. Logan reveals right, like there's something
Speaker 2: in this that I'm just like so happy about as
Speaker 2: a whole. I have one more thing to add to
Speaker 2: it as a whole. I'll also give it an eight,
Speaker 2: like it was like, yeah, I like this crew to
Speaker 2: Gilmore sort of how I feel about it wholeistically like
Speaker 2: Bird's Eye View seven. There's some things that are wrong
Speaker 2: with it, but then like for my heart, I still
Speaker 2: give it a ten. So I'm kind of giving it
Speaker 2: all these scores because it's just too complicated for me
Speaker 2: to just give it one score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for an esnalgia score, I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: a sixer a five because of his character instruction two
Speaker 1: of the main characters, Rory and Luke Pigs, I'll give
Speaker 1: it to five. Pick pigs, okay, five Kirk picks. As
Speaker 1: a standalone film, drama, edy film, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: it Actually it's more of a comedy. Well, it's drama, drama, dramedy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to rate it much higher. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give it a a nine. As a standalone I think
Speaker 1: it really I just think some of the performances were
Speaker 1: all so solid. I think the look of it was superior.
Speaker 1: It's a world that I would, you know, I would
Speaker 1: go watch the sequel if it was a standalone I would,
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't want to know more about these characters,
Speaker 1: and I want to laugh more and and I want
Speaker 1: and I that level of drama. It's it's rare to
Speaker 1: get such a deep level and such frequent comedy out
Speaker 1: of something that can also be so smartly dramatic, really
Speaker 1: really well done. So I'll give it, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Emily ten, What did I say? Ten? Did I say ten? Nine? Emily,
Speaker 1: Emily pairs of genes.
Speaker 2: I also think eight years ago I would have given
Speaker 2: it a four, and now I give it an eight.
Speaker 2: I really did not like it eight years ago, so
Speaker 2: eight years from now it is gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: It definitely crackled with energy. It crackled with the comedic
Speaker 1: energy throughout. No matter what the situation, you were going
Speaker 1: to get rewarded with crackling comedy.
Speaker 2: I understand why everyone wanted to do it, like you go,
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. You know it does.
Speaker 2: There is a hint for me of sex in the
Speaker 2: City to the and just like that, where at first
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate this because it's not sex
Speaker 2: in the City, but now I like it, so I
Speaker 2: think that's happening for me too, Like is it the same? No,
Speaker 2: but it has enough of the same that I'm that
Speaker 2: I'm super into it and want more.
Speaker 1: All Right, that's going to wrap her up Winter episode
Speaker 1: one of the seasons from Netflix. Thank you, Susanne, Thank
Speaker 1: you waymy. It's always a pleasure. Rattling swords, sparring, and joy.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be sparring again. We really did not
Speaker 2: spar all of season seven, and I think that's because
Speaker 2: it was kind of season seven sort of just chugs along,
Speaker 2: but it's not.
Speaker 1: So there's there's some really strong episodes and in season seven.
Speaker 1: I have to give it credit anyway, that's gonna do it.
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