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Speaker 1: coming on the show. Bro just big for us to man,

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Speaker 2: Boys.

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Speaker 1: Man, we always loved your game, watching you play, playing

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Speaker 1: against you, right, you know, with me waving at you

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Speaker 1: this decisions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see him coming.

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Speaker 2: He was coming.

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Speaker 4: I was trilling you down.

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Speaker 3: We ain't getting into that, right, but thank you Broyes

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Speaker 3: for coming on our show.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate absolutely. Man, I'm doing it big. Have

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Speaker 2: me cracking up, y'all have t Mac on here. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if y'all saw retweeted. I was like, Bro, y'all, wi.

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Speaker 1: Back, who was the first person to bust your ass

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Speaker 2: I mean I played against him Jay, like hello he was?

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Speaker 2: I mean at forty he still put up forty h

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Speaker 2: like he was. You know for me, you get that

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Speaker 2: Co Adam, I had my best half and couldn't score

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Speaker 2: Wasn't even looks he could score, but he didn't get tired. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Crazy.

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Speaker 2: So I came in the era where it was still

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Speaker 2: half court basketball unless you played out West. So playing

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Speaker 2: against the Knicks, they bust my. They just you know,

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Speaker 4: Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location, we live and at we got

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Speaker 5: the blackest one you in the building. That hey, this

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Speaker 5: is special, special Hall of Fame half man half amazing.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, A special hundred episode.

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Speaker 4: You hear me, one hundred in the bidding.

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Speaker 5: You know, when we come with the hundred, we had

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Speaker 4: You know Vinity It came in the.

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Speaker 5: League as the greatest dunker and left with longevity twenty

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Speaker 5: two years.

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Speaker 4: Oh my lord, we.

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Speaker 5: Got listened Dunk Contest winner, Hall of Fame, sixteen hundred threes.

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Speaker 5: Man one supposed to make that mean threes is uncle.

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Speaker 5: We got Vincent, the house, vin sanity, everything in the building.

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Speaker 6: It presented by Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: I feel like with you, people don't talk about enough.

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Speaker 1: It's like, man, you want them guys that came straight

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Speaker 3: The highest level of positive this is the highest level.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like a lot of don't get in

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Speaker 3: You had to play defense a certain way, you know,

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Speaker 2: They tell you to get up and play on them.

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Speaker 5: Came straight in as a big time dunker. They wasn't

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Speaker 1: So had the blood right when when they know you're

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Speaker 2: Look it's ridiculous. Damn this was it was it like

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Speaker 2: following year, seventh grade, I dunked in the game for

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Speaker 2: You gotta get over the rim. You got to get

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Speaker 4: You know, ideas you get that first done, you lose

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Speaker 2: That seventh grade year, so picture day, they took a

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Speaker 2: What gave you the confidence to do it? And and

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like the consequence you could get

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Speaker 2: We had a good played. In fact, we had a

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Speaker 5: A drilling rush. You know that's crazy. At what point

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Speaker 5: did you you played football, volleyball? I'm sure you did track.

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Speaker 2: I did the jump, and at what point did you

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Speaker 4: I did that my freshman year. To do that.

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Speaker 5: That was the hardest my freshman year. And I did okay,

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Speaker 5: I did that. When I was at CAFIC school, I did.

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Speaker 4: I did that.

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Speaker 5: I ain't going to I ain't do none of the

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Speaker 5: I'm like, man, I never did anything I went to,

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Speaker 5: I started booming out after that. I swear next summer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that because I was. I did hot

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Speaker 5: When that you throw everything to the side and say

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Speaker 5: who because like I don't even I can't even imagine

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Speaker 2: And god damn volleyball just spiking. I played in the

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Speaker 1: When you got accepted to the McDonald's game and then

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Speaker 2: That's the confidence. Playing five Star validated that I'm able

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Speaker 2: We're in a small town back that time. That's why

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Speaker 2: I was guarding them, right, I'm going to double team

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Speaker 2: So AI come out, He's like, oh he did that

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Speaker 1: Could have been anybody except for North Carolina? Was it

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Speaker 2: So I had Duke Carolina Carolina Dukes. I earned him

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Speaker 4: That just made all the vicious dunks in an environment

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, Florida, Florida State, Kansas and Kentucky. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna be great your second year. Like

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Speaker 2: Roy Williams was the coach, and halfway through the conversation

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00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 2: sitting now, had a good meeting and you know with

434
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: everything at the house, and then halfway he started like

435
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: it was just different. You can just feel things different.

436
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: So now he's starting to recruit against Duke because he's like,

437
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: he's not coming here. He already knew I wasn't going

438
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: to Kansas. So he's like, being a Carolina guy that

439
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: he was what he do, you don't need to.

440
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 4: Go to do?

441
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 2: What would you go to do? They over recruit, they

442
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 2: recruit over you. It's just it was just weird. Just

443
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: started talking about what Kansas has to offer because Paul

444
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 2: was already there. Right, He's like you and Paul you

445
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: could Paul? I mean great. Then all of a sudden

446
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: and then Rayfela France was there. He's like, man, you

447
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: mentioned you three.

448
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 5: It's like and it was locked them two was my

449
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 5: host when I went to Kansas. And then all of

450
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 5: a sudden, it was like.

451
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, but dude, you just still that's the place

452
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: to be Carolina. Did it makes sense through? Fifteen years later,

453
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: sitting down, bro, he's telling that same story. He's like,

454
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 2: you remember I came in Yeah, yeah, he said, you

455
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: remember I started talking to him and didn't. He said,

456
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: I knew you weren't coming, so I wanted to recruit

457
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 2: against Duke, So you didn't go there because because he's target,

458
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: he's a tar heel through and through and through, and

459
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: then now he of course he ends up as the coach.

460
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: But I was like, oh, that's crazy. He's like, yeah,

461
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: I knew. I knew halfway. You know, they know they

462
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: do it all the time. I knew you weren't coming.

463
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 2: I was like, you're right, because I said, if I

464
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: go to Kansas, I could go to go to out

465
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: to Kansas where I can go to Carolina.

466
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 5: Same thing, bro, that was the one person literally that well,

467
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 5: when I was doing my recruiting visits, like you know,

468
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 5: my folks and my coach, they was like, we gotta

469
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 5: make an agreement.

470
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 4: You don't do no commitments on no visits.

471
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: Right.

472
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 5: If it wasn't for that out of committee at Kansas

473
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 5: right there, what I was there for the Man for

474
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 5: the Midnight Man is ho at Field, Allen foll Fields,

475
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 5: Rock Chock Jay Hall q Rich.

476
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 4: I was done.

477
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 5: So I was like, boy, before I left, boy, I asked,

478
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 5: he was like, man, you had you know he asked me,

479
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 5: like a percentage. I was like like ninety something like

480
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 5: got to the crib. We came back to react like, man,

481
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: I ain't leaving the crib. I know, I ain't leaving

482
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 5: the crib. And then it was just like but like

483
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 5: I was when I was down there, Jack, I was whoo,

484
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 5: I was close.

485
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: I was close.

486
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: When you got to North Carolina and you walked in

487
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: that gym and you've seen you're just about to say

488
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: that the history, I was just about to say that,

489
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: the vibe, the field I'm built up. So Florida, Florida

490
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: State is three hours.

491
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: And hour and a half from Daytona. Yeah, ish, So

492
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: I was unofficial visit all the time. So what I did,

493
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: I guess I can say it now. So when Florida

494
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: Florida State biggest football rivalry in college sports in my opinion,

495
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: outside of Ohio State Michigan. So when Florida State had

496
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: hosted it at home, I took the unofficial visit visit

497
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 2: and I did a unofficial I just drive up there,

498
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: you know, and the same thing a Florida. So I

499
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: got to see both sides, what the atmosphere was like.

500
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: But I was always there. I was always there, so

501
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: I already knew what that was.

502
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 6: Like.

503
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: I took my visit to Duke, and I took my

504
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: visit to Duke. This is the year Coach K had

505
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: the back problem, so he was out that year. So

506
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 2: I met Coach K at his house and it's just different,

507
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: to say the least. It was just different, Like he

508
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: was hurting. He he could barely walk over. I was

509
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: just like, man, it's weird. So I went to a

510
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: game and everything and did that. It just it didn't fit.

511
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: Took my visit to Carolina. He went right down street,

512
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: right down the street. It literally right down the street,

513
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: and took my visit. Man felt like home. Just talking

514
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: to Coach Smith and how like he remembered my first

515
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: cousin from months back when he met her, He's liked,

516
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: how's Tiffany doing, you know, like you know, he made

517
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: it his business after recruiting all these people, he still

518
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: remembered her. And in the first day when we met

519
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: for the first time on campus, he's still asked about her.

520
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: You know.

521
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: It's just little things like that that melt that meant

522
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: something to not even me, but my family, and you know,

523
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 2: my family all educated. So being a student athlete meant

524
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: something to them, and he was all about that. But man,

525
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: like you said, walk into that arena, all that Carolina blue.

526
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: First of all, when you walk in everything everything, and

527
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: then you do like that, you see them Bannings, You're like,

528
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: you just feel for MJ. Macadude, Worthy Doerty. It just

529
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: this goes like and just this goes on and on.

530
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I want that and I got a

531
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: chance to play possibly start after being told my second year,

532
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: oh man, this is a no band. So it just

533
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: felt right. So I was the same way I was

534
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: like I told my high school clature. He was at you.

535
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I could do this today. It's

536
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: nothing else to talk about. It's nothing else to talk

537
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: about in Florida, Florida State. I felt like, you know,

538
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: I could see myself there because I grew up a

539
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: Florida State football fan. Die Hard Yeah, so to be

540
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: at Florida State Wood, Yeah, you know, I grew up

541
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: in the exactly he was. He was on my visit,

542
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: he's he. I had him and Bobby Syrup. Yeah, so

543
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: I had them as as my host and I was

544
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: in the band, so fam you down the street. I

545
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: had the best of both worlds. Yeah, but Carolina, man,

546
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 2: it's like it just it was like when I got

547
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: in that gym, got into that locker room, it was it.

548
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: So you there now and you know Denise Smith is champions,

549
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: the champions, you know, Boston all Boston.

550
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: You get there and you got the.

551
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: Talent of Antoine James and you got Ed Colder, which

552
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: is you know nice, I love cold. You know what

553
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Shaman Williams saying, you know, you got all

554
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: these guys and like y'all look at tender and you

555
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: in the one of the top conferences.

556
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: You know, how was that for you?

557
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: That?

558
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: Like now you there, you see the championship pedigree that

559
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: they all y'all, and it.

560
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Was nothing like it. It was understood. What was understood

561
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: didn't need to be talked about. And so when you

562
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: walked into into that to even when you recruited, so

563
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: I had stackhousele as my host and just watching them,

564
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: playing pick up with them, just understand how they interact.

565
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: It was just it was easy, you know, you understood.

566
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: So by freshman year, a little bumping y'all played, and

567
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: you know, in and out started line up just how

568
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: it was. And my sophomore year. I was like, nah,

569
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: this this is enough of that and all of the

570
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: stuff that they talked about that it was one way,

571
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: like we planned for ACC Championship, regular season championship, ACC

572
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: Championship deep in the player in the tournament, and that's

573
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: just what it was. So it was bigger than you

574
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: the individual. What you had to understand, and you know

575
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: they was talking about the Carolina system, but you learned

576
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: how to play the game. That's what kept me around

577
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: for twenty some years, honestly, learning how to play the

578
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: game and where now obviously you learn how to outsmart

579
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: just from being a professional veteran of the game, but

580
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: all the other nuances of the game. It was easy

581
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: made the game easy for me as a freshman because

582
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: I knew how to play. You know, there's a lot

583
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: of guys coming out now wan and done, but the

584
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: talented but fact so that was a great thing about it,

585
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: and that's what he made sure. He's like, we're gonna win,

586
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna get dee deep in the playoffs, but we're

587
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: gonna learn how to play the right way. You hear

588
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: Williams throw around, that was what that was it. You're

589
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 2: gonna play the right way or you ain't playing at all.

590
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: So you bought into it and next thing you know,

591
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: findal for my sophomore year final for my junior year.

592
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: Do you remember the first time you played at Duke

593
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: I do?

594
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: What was that like?

595
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: So, especially you being a U n C.

596
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: Nine thousand fans in that arena. I played my sophomore

597
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: year nine thousand, so you know how loud it is. Yeah,

598
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: And I know how the locker room is under the

599
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: under the fans section. Bro the locker your locker room.

600
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: So they up there early and you can while you're

601
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: getting dressed. They're all doing that right when you get

602
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: and they know about the time when coaches meeting about

603
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: you're getting ready, you're sitting and listen to the coach

604
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: like what you got to speak up? It's because it's

605
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: like like this top of it. It's crazy. It's crazy.

606
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: But it was just a different experience. And you can

607
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: tell somebody about that experience, but it ain't nothing like

608
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: going through it. It's like playing an old sack in

609
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: the league. You know exactly y'all know them about. So

610
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: it was I compared that when it got to the league.

611
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 2: I was like I was like, man, small arena, all

612
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: came here. That's what That's what it was. You know,

613
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: it was just different. Basketball is different when you're playing

614
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 2: that rivalry, like it's it's a playoff game or it's

615
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: a tournament game. Every time, right away, right away, no

616
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: matter what following were one and two. We were one

617
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: at their building. No, they were one at their building.

618
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: We were number two coming in. But it was so loud.

619
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: We were practicing a couple of days before hand signals.

620
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: Nothing was just because we wouldn't be able to hear

621
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: this close. Literally could not hear this close because it

622
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: was a one to two. We lost there and then

623
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: they come to our building. You remember I missed the

624
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: dunk off the backboard. They were one two, but we

625
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: ended up winning that game. I would have brought the man.

626
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: I tried to hard. I try to tear it down.

627
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: I was trying to break the riun because we just

628
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: did that that summer in the in the little summer

629
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: League of what a program game that they have.

630
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 5: Tell me how much pride goes into that, Like because

631
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 5: I hear like I Rashid's the O graceipt. We ain't

632
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: losing them when I was there, Like how much pride

633
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: goes into like your personal record against them during your

634
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: time and like the alumni that you you know, your appear,

635
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: like how do y'all go back and forth?

636
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: Like no, we ain't lose, Like how big is that?

637
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: It's always talked about. It's always talked about. About. So

638
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: the ribbery is a river, and when the games actually

639
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: are played is when you see the heated ribbs where

640
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: you know they hate each other. In the summer, they

641
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: will come over there and to play pick up with us, right,

642
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, so it was all love. I think it's

643
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: what we talk about. Is the hate is the fans,

644
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: like they would destroy destroy our campus and spreading all,

645
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, and like vice versa.

646
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: So they used to haze each other's campuses, like throw

647
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: eggs and toilet paper all in the trees, painting.

648
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: Some of the statues and they are bro our well,

649
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: which is famous. Like right in the middle of the

650
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: campus that jump was painted wrapped with toilet paper, like destroyed.

651
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: You have to repair that thing has probably been repainted

652
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: probably it probably gets repainted almost. I don't know what

653
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: it looks like now, but back then, for the three

654
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: years I was there, it was always messed up, like

655
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: this and vice versa. They do something to them. It's

656
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: just what it was. But it was just that rivalry

657
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: is not like none other. And talking with players, like

658
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: when it comes around to this day, I'll get a

659
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: text from Grant, JJ Reddick any Duke Guy e B.

660
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: When we played together, like you go about your business

661
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: doing the season, you know, everybody, go whatever, do what

662
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: you gotta do. But when it was that time you're

663
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: on the road, we rent out a room like we

664
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: need a TV. And you just see me and him

665
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: I played. It was me and Grant sitting here watching

666
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: the game talking. Jump shouldn't have talked to J like

667
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: in Dallas. Like that's just what it was, and I

668
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: mean it's good fun. Especially now. Did y'all see that

669
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: last one we had since we talked about it, Yeah, yeah,

670
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: to go from coach Smith to then go to Guph Ridge.

671
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: Like outside of the name Dean Smith, that was the

672
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: only difference. He was his right hand, yeah, right hand,

673
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: been with him forty plus years when he started. He

674
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: didn't you see Dean, you see Guthers, you see Dean whatever.

675
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: He did not leave with his man, you know what

676
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So we played that last game we played

677
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: he broke the record against Chauncey in Colorado, and then

678
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: we played Villanova. So we go through it. We lose

679
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: to Arizona and we go through summer workouts. No, that

680
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: was a sophomore. We lose. No, we lost to Arizona.

681
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: Go through summer workouts that next year and he's like,

682
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, we have to do this twelve minute run, bro, ridiculous.

683
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: Come in. He's like, everybody needed the in locker room.

684
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: So it was like, all right, cool, whatever, and then

685
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, his vibe was just different, different

686
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: from freshman year. Well, he's sitting there, he's standing up

687
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: in front of group, just Dean Smith, like he dom

688
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: had forty fifty years of teams and he's stayed in

689
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: front of this time. Bro, he was up there, nervous, pacing, sweating, like, man,

690
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: what's wrong? But buddy, you know what I'm saying. And

691
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: that's how we found out. He's like, we're doing a

692
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: press conference tomorrow morning. I'm retiring. I'm done. He broke

693
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: the record. And see, coach Smith was a guy like

694
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: he hated when they said Dean Smith and the North

695
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Carolina tar Hills. He hated that he wanted to be

696
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: North Carolina Tar Hills, Like, bro, the building is named

697
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: after you and you're alive, right, get over it? Yeah yeah,

698
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: but he just that's not how he was all about

699
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: the team and the team's success. I'm gonna do my

700
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: job and everything. So when he retired, man, it was

701
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: like and they were like, coach Guthr is gonna, you know,

702
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: take over. So it was like, man, this is crazy,

703
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: but all right cool, you know because you if you

704
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: work with Dan, you work with Uthri. What it was

705
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: so nothing was different outside of just when you look

706
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: down there, you ain't see Dean, you saw Billy g

707
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: What made you decide to go? You think it was

708
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: like it was time. So after my sophomore year, I

709
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: average twenty in the tournament, twenty one in the tournament,

710
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: and you know, you just test the work to see

711
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: what's out there. And I was like, I ain't that

712
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: just sounds crazy now because I was like, I ain't

713
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: ready to go. Yeah, I ain't ready to go. Twe

714
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: the same thing Twan. You know what Twan was doing.

715
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: He was like, we ain't think we're ready, yeah, because

716
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I thought you went early, right, and that was that

717
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: would have been the year because I had a great tournament. Yeah,

718
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, nah, so my junior year, I

719
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: average twenty one again and we lose to Utah Andre

720
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: Miller and he gave his triple double.

721
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: By the way, I was there were in right, san Antonio.

722
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: There you go, san Antonio. I was for the summit. Yeah,

723
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 5: they have us at the final four. So I'll never

724
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: forget that. Like he was my first time experiencing something crazy, like.

725
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: Yoh man, it was just chewing gum.

726
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: Shoes. The shoes Dre Miller to this day too. In

727
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 4: the league as my teammate, he was the test like

728
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: he used to.

729
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: Kids, so long he time and go around the thing

730
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: and shoes.

731
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: But like when you was a shorty, No, lie, I

732
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: can't make it up. That is the honest guy. He

733
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: did that in the NBA.

734
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, so that was painful.

735
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: Do you remember when y'all lost. I remember we literally

736
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: a whole summing team. We were in the crowd and

737
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: we were talking about like, hey, going to the league. Now,

738
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 5: look many they walking off doing that goodbye y'all doing

739
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 5: this in the crowd, you know, and answering, and we

740
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: was all like you remember that, Like literally we were

741
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 5: talking about me. I was like with shar Lewis, stro

742
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: Mile Swift, everybody, we was all on the team. We

743
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: up there like, man, hey, all look like Ronald Curry

744
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 5: because he was coming him and capable. He was coming

745
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 5: like Williams coaching. So they like, yeah, they were about

746
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 5: to kill like you know what I'm saying.

747
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: Straight up, And so that's what I mean, That's what

748
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: it was for me. It was just like I played

749
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: well and then so I was like, all right, cool,

750
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, just in case appreciate it's been fun. It's

751
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: been real.

752
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 4: You know, they're going And I.

753
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Remember that Twan committed first, and what I was gonna do.

754
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to test the waters and see what was

755
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: out there, talk to people whoever we could talk to.

756
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: And if I wasn't going in the lottery more so

757
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: top ten, I was going back to school for my

758
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: senior year. True.

759
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

760
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: So it's like, actually I said top eight. If I

761
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't go on top eight, I was you know, I

762
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: figured if I if I go in top I can

763
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: come back and maybe be no more. Yeah, And they said, bro,

764
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: you can possibly go top five? What top what? Okay,

765
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: maybe even the highest top three. So it was Clippers, Memphis, Denver.

766
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: That's the top three. And then uh so I was like,

767
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: all right, cool, Twan committed, And it was more so hesitation,

768
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: like am I making the right decision? Like I enjoyed college? Yeah,

769
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: I enjoyed college. It was just it was just different then,

770
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But I knew, I felt

771
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 2: that I was able to. I was good enough to

772
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: play in the league at some point or at least

773
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 2: get a try out, you know. And it sounds crazy

774
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: saying that, but that's just the truth what I thought.

775
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: So I said, you know what, let's let's go. Te

776
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: was you know who he was, so I knew he

777
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: was gonna do well national play the year, killing everybody.

778
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: So I was like, for me, I just want to,

779
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, make my mark, do my thing. And it

780
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: just once I made that commitment, Bro, it's just the

781
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: lockout hit that year. So I got a chance to

782
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: go back to school, work on my game, do what

783
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: I need to do and to be ready. And the

784
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: cool thing about the league, man as the difference, and

785
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: you guys can speak to it too. It went from

786
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: crowded paint it was just wide open. So the like

787
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: the driving lanes were a little different. I ain't worry

788
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: about seeing Tim Duncan in the paint. I mean you stick,

789
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: but it was just different, like he and just standing

790
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: there the whole time. It was just, Bro, I can

791
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: get there all the time. Yeah. If I can just

792
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: outrun my man, but beat my man, the rest is cool.

793
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: I can get to the rim. And that's what it was.

794
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: So I started playing pick up with pros and just seeing,

795
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: you know the difference. I was like, long as I

796
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: can make a.

797
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: Shot, how was your draft process and the teams she

798
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: was working out with, how was your workouts?

799
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: So once I figured out how where I could possibly land,

800
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: I tried to work out for those teams and then

801
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, anywhere just to case. So the crazy thing

802
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: is so I worked out for Dallas. It was a

803
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: cool workout, Golden State.

804
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: Workout Like it wasn't no cool workouts.

805
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: It was cool cool. I was in there by myself

806
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 2: for that one. So it's just like only a couple

807
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: of places I worked out with other players, I hate

808
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: them by myself. I worked out with trade folk.

809
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: I got.

810
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: Folks uh find I worked out together at Golden State

811
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: and he was he called straight bullers Bro no sack.

812
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: We were sacked together and we work out at the

813
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: high school at the time, you know, and uh, it

814
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: cuts the workout short. They cut the workout short. It's like,

815
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: we're good if you're available, whatever pick we're drafting.

816
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: Man, he ended up playing with us, the Clippers.

817
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: Homie, he was busting my hand. I was like, and

818
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: I ain't like, I said, this was my first time

819
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: meeting trade but I was like, bro like, So I

820
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: worked out there. I worked out of Golden State. So

821
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: the draft was in Vancouver. I didn't work out the Clippers.

822
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: The Clippers like rat was in Vancouver. In Vancouver. Wow, yeah,

823
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: draft in Vancouver. So the Clippers my agent calling, can

824
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: we get a workout just in case so you can

825
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: see it's possibly to be number one pick. They said,

826
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: now we're good, we're not interested. We already know we're

827
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: either picking. We told them that to Oliver Candy or baby.

828
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 4: That was it.

829
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: So didn't work out there. I worked out with Vancouver

830
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: when I got to town for the draft. That's when

831
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: I worked out with them, and they were like, okay, cool,

832
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: you know. But Brian Hill was a coach. He was

833
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: there and he's like, that's cool. But you know, they

834
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: already knew if Bibby went one, they were getting older.

835
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: Can that's they already knew. They just but they gave

836
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: me the chance to work out just in case you're like,

837
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, we missing side. Other than that, the draft

838
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: process was cool. You know, it's just you go through

839
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: it like, yeah, you just don't know, you don't know,

840
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: like you hear what that you hear? But you know,

841
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: Oliver Cannon went one, so we kind of we knew that.

842
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: They told us Bibby went too. We kind of knew

843
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: that then he was number three Denver. It's like, okay,

844
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: twe could possibly go up there such and such such.

845
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: They draft raight for friends, that is I remember twice.

846
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: I remember were sitting around boy like okay, like Rafe

847
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: was he was that guy in college he was. I'm

848
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: not saying that, but it's just like all right, And

849
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: then Twan got drafted before the crazy thing about twe

850
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: getting drafted at the time, before we knew it. He

851
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: didn't work out for him. He didn't work out for two.

852
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: That's how we did. We drafted him because they had

853
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: a deal in place that I didn't know about yet.

854
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: Because Dallas was trying to move up to get him, Like,

855
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: but Golden State gave him a better deal. They say,

856
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: you draft him with swapping blah blah blah. So that's

857
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: how it happened. And then my Toronto workout, Like I said,

858
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: it was just so. When I was sitting at the

859
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: table and I was like Toronto, I was like, they

860
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: didn't draft me. I was like, yeah, I knew it.

861
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: I ain't have a good workout. I mean, everything went wrong.

862
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't supposed to happen.

863
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: But when you got to the league and Tracy was there, like,

864
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: how was it? How exciting was that for you to

865
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: have somebody that you know, I can go to practice,

866
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I can talk to, we can relate to.

867
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: A crazy story his the year he came out of

868
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: high school. He was in Mountain Zion in North Carolina.

869
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: I was in Chapel Hill. He comes out, he comes

870
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: over to Chapel Hill to play pick up, getting ready

871
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: to play some games, and he walked in. We played AAU.

872
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: I played for Team Florida and played for the older grop.

873
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: He played for young groups. I used to stay and

874
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: watch him, used to and watch him. That's it. We

875
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: didn't know he cousins. We did not know rere cousins

876
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: through all of this. I'm telling you that's crazy playing

877
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: pick up. That week, he comes into the locker room.

878
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Everybody say, what's up? This kid going pro whatever? I

879
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: knew him, so I was like, Yo, you can use

880
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: my locker man, because nobody would let him just lockay,

881
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: put you stuff on my locker, playing pick up whatever.

882
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: He goes on Thursday, probably go be on Friday because

883
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm about to go to a family reunion. All right, cool,

884
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: Well see you next week. Saturday. My phone ringing, it's

885
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: my grandmother. What's up?

886
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: Rightny?

887
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: What's up? Cause cousin, Who the hell is this?

888
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 4: It's t mat Couz.

889
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: What's up? Like? Bro, what why are you on my

890
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: grandma phone? Like? What, what's what's up? He said, She's

891
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: right here up sitting with her. So he was sitting

892
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: at the day I didn't go to the family. I

893
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: stay home because I was I was in and he's

894
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: happening to He's sitting at the table with this house.

895
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: She's like, hey, you know you're going pro all congratulations

896
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: or whatever? You know what? You went to school up

897
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. She's like, oh, my grandson go to

898
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: school in nor Coline. He's like, oh, yeah, for real,

899
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: who's your grandson. She's like Vince Carter. He was like what,

900
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: And that's how we found out. He's so happy to

901
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: be sitting in the table having a conversation with her.

902
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: So he calling me cuz this told the old day.

903
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: He get drafted. He go through the first year, up

904
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: and down, whatever. So he get to the end of

905
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: the year. I'm now he calling me all through my college,

906
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: kill these dogs play with us like that ain't gonna

907
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: never happen. Get to the end of the year, he's like,

908
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: cuz I already told him the draft, you draft. But

909
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: that's after the draft lottery got the fourth pick because

910
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 2: I already told him the draft you you have no pull,

911
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: like you know, like you come on, what did you

912
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: talk about? So enough, they came down the chapel here

913
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: to watch me play pick up and the guy said, hey,

914
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: if you're available, we're going to draft you, so you

915
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: might as well come take a visit. I was like,

916
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: all right, I ain't never been in Toronto, Canada. Uh

917
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: you know which way? You know, I don't know, go visit.

918
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: I had the worst visit ever. They lost my bags,

919
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: my room, got canceled. So because I was at the

920
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: airport along, they canceled my room because they thought I wouldn't.

921
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: They thought I was gonna be there, so I leave

922
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: the Skydom. I ended up going down the room service

923
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: to I was late. So now it's like two in

924
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: the morning. I got a workout in the morning. Get

925
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: to the workout. Get to the workout. The manager forgot

926
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: to break my uniform, my practice gear, so he had

927
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: to go back and go get there. I was like, bro,

928
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: this ain't meant to be so cuz they said I

929
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: had a good workout, it didn't feel like it. You know,

930
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: you go to workoutse you want to make everything, do

931
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: everything right. It just didn't feel like it. Next thing

932
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: I know, I got drafted. As soon as I got drafted,

933
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: but I got drafted by Golden State. And then he

934
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: called me like cuz, like I got a miscall. But

935
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: now I'm still on the stage. They talking about us

936
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: about to be a trade. I was like, dang, somebody

937
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: getting traded already. That's crazy. This is what the NBA like.

938
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: Because I shook David Sterns hand, he said, hey, stand

939
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: right here, wait a second, so he I'm right here,

940
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: David Stearns. I'm like, bro, my Antoine standing on the

941
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: step right here, like, tell me what you're thinking. When

942
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: I walked okay, so I got the hair, so I

943
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: got to Golden State had on, I got it all

944
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: nice and whatever. And I'm walking up the steps and

945
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: town here and he's like, we get traded is what

946
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: he's saying.

947
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 5: But I couldn't.

948
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: I ain't know. I was like, what what said? He

949
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: was saying we were about to get traded for each other.

950
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, I'm hype. I just got drafted.

951
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm in the league now. Didn't know.

952
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: I was like, man, all I ask you.

953
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: I tall you. Later get up to shake his hand,

954
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: we take the picture. He said, standing right here. You

955
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: know we're about this about to be a trailer. I'm like, damn,

956
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: what's not about to get traded?

957
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

958
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: I can leave and get out your way, sir. You

959
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: know no problem. It's been a trade the Toronto Raptors.

960
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: I said, oh, has made a trade for the Golden

961
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: State Wars Vince Carter for Antoine Jamison. He walked up,

962
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: He's like, that's what I was telling you. I said,

963
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear you remember like Chris Tucky and uh.

964
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 4: Can you understand the words?

965
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 6: I couldn't.

966
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're saying, Like I didn't know

967
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: what you were saying, like my heart beating, so I

968
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: couldn't hear nothing, Like I was hype. It's like I

969
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: was telling you it was getting traded. So in the table,

970
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: my family sitting here, he said, my family sitting there,

971
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: getting here. He goes crazy it so it was it

972
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: was crazy. So it was just a crazy moment. I

973
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: just that was I got introduced to the business of

974
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: basketball immediately.

975
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 5: At what point did you, like you had to realize

976
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 5: at some point, like all right, the way I jumped

977
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 5: ain't normal. I jump way higher than everybody else. Like

978
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: I'm doing stuff that can't nobody else do. Like what

979
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 5: like serious, like you, like everybody else acknowledged it. You

980
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: had to acknowledge it. At some point you knew it.

981
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: We used it as a weapon, like man, my my

982
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: point guard high school, used to just he just was

983
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: like run, I'm throwing. Used to throw lives. We used

984
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: to have play coder like man, listen you say you

985
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: like yo, look up. It used to show your mic boy,

986
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: he's got.

987
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: You hit the backboy, Like, come on, bro, like it

988
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 5: ain't nothing normal. But like at what point did you

989
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 5: like no, like.

990
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is different in high school, like I mean,

991
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: I believe it not. In high school there were other

992
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: guys who football players who could jump like that, so

993
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: it was always competition. But in high school I got

994
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: to where so my freshman year, I was touching like

995
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: the square. So now I'm trying to just work your

996
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: way up to the top of the square earl manigut,

997
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: remember the goat that holds. So that's where I mean,

998
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 2: It's it's different level thinking. But I was like, well,

999
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: let's let's try it. So I started touching the silver

1000
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: lining on the top of the backboard. Got to my

1001
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: senior year, I could touch the top of the backboard.

1002
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't understand how this man was able to

1003
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: touch him make change, Like that's that's different levels different,

1004
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: But I was able to touch the top of the backboard.

1005
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: So my senior year. In my freshman year, so I

1006
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: remember having a jump jumping contest. So the Sixers Larry

1007
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: Brown used to come and have training camp at Chapel Hill.

1008
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: So that was my chance in college to see the pros,

1009
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: watch them practice and food around with them. So me

1010
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: come down. It's like, to you, who can touch this?

1011
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, you know your teammates like,

1012
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: go ahead, you're right. They down there stacked, you know,

1013
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: all these guys. So I was like, all right, cool,

1014
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: go up there and touch the top backboard and just

1015
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, walked away and they were like.

1016
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: Right, what the hell did they do?

1017
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, brother, you okay, yeah, what's up? You know,

1018
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: That's just what it was. So probably my I mean

1019
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: I was, I said, I'm Duncan's for a long time,

1020
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: and that's just what it was. You know, Duncan was

1021
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: a thing down South period. But my junior year probably

1022
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: I had that. I knew I had the game to

1023
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: go with this, so I had people at my mercy.

1024
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: We used, i mean just just throwing stuff off the backboard,

1025
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: doing all this stuff. Like I jumped higher in high

1026
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: school than I didn't in the league.

1027
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: I truly believe that I've seen some foot How did

1028
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: you convince Tmack to get in the dunk contest with you?

1029
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: So he was down for it? He telling half the story.

1030
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: He was down for it for a long time. Yeah,

1031
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: And I remember San Antonio at the practice facility. We

1032
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: up there, we throwing the ball all over the gym, bun,

1033
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: bounce and just working on dunks and whatever. But it

1034
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: got to closer time, He's like, Cuz, I don't want

1035
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: to do it. To me, I don't want to do it.

1036
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: I was all for because see for me, he said.

1037
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: He he said, like I knew I was dunking for second,

1038
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 2: I would look at more so the competition because I

1039
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: knew what he could do, and I knew that was

1040
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: gonna push me to go next level. I knew what

1041
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: Ricky Davis can do. You know, you see a regular season,

1042
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: you see it. But I knew as far as they

1043
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: had bounced, I didn't know the creativity. I knew what

1044
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: teammate had. I knew he had creativity. I knew his ability.

1045
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: He was capable within him, and if I ain't bring

1046
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: my A plus game, he definitely he would have won. Well,

1047
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: come to find to Steve Francis would have one too,

1048
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: Because I tell you there's a lot of guys in

1049
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: the league. You watch it, you're like, man, he got bounced,

1050
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: But do they have creativity? Creativity with your imaginations. That's

1051
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: why I ain't never getting the Dunk. I test. I

1052
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: ain't feel like I had the creativity, and that's what

1053
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: they're looking at stars of the day. Maybe they don't

1054
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: feel like they have the creativity, imagination, time out, time out.

1055
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let you get away right here today,

1056
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: Miles Bridges, John Moran, Anthony Edwards, please and thank you

1057
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: being in the Dunk Contest, don't. I don't want to

1058
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: hear about no the in game creativity. I saw John

1059
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: Moran throw that thing up and twisted around all crazy

1060
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: like with.

1061
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 5: The left Like now these was dunk content, Like we

1062
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 5: know what Miles Bridge and Anthony Edwards do. Non, that's

1063
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 5: the that's the Dunk Contest right there. We want the

1064
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: young superstars, no disrespect nobody else, but like coming those

1065
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 5: three with whoever else them? Yeah, them three right there.

1066
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 4: We need to be like people that year. So yeah,

1067
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: you could do that.

1068
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: The three need to be in it. Please young Let

1069
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: me tell you that's for me. I didn't worry about

1070
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that because social media is different,

1071
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: so now you know all that. So I mean it

1072
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: wasn't no social media, so but I didn't really think

1073
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: negatively about it was more so plus what I'm what what.

1074
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: I put the pressure on myself to perform because this

1075
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: is something I used to tape all the dunk contests,

1076
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: all of them, and I used to be like, why

1077
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: you do that? What was he trying to accomplish? I

1078
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: was taking of a little different everybody. You know what

1079
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: was he trying to show? Like Harold Minor, you know what?

1080
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: What was he trying to show? You're trying to show, like, Bro,

1081
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: I can hang with the ball as low as possible,

1082
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: still got bombs hang time. I can soar through the

1083
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: air backwards, you know whatever. So that was kind of

1084
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: my thing. So I was like, bro, when I get

1085
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: my chance.

1086
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen the three sixty women like, never

1087
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: seeing nobody attempted, never seen nobody do it?

1088
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: Why was that many years? Oh man, let me see

1089
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: what year I did it. I did it in college

1090
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: against yukon the reverse three sixties, So before I was,

1091
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: I was, I got bored. Everybody was doing the three

1092
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: sixty the regular way. Everybody can just you know, and

1093
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: there is a question game is that one? Was that

1094
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: a real three sixty? Whatever? That's a lot of guys

1095
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: turn before that. You already turned like that's cheating, like

1096
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: you it's a three sixty when you start from here,

1097
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: three sixty. But if you already turning.

1098
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 4: For you, is that that?

1099
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: This being technical? Cool? So I was like, all right,

1100
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna try to go to

1101
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: the way. And so it took me a long time.

1102
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't with the three sixty. I couldn't turn around

1103
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: and find the rim. Whip your head around, find the

1104
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: rim going that way. But easy, yeah, it was. I

1105
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: just felt like my body turned, but my eyes couldn't

1106
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: catch up. Then all of a sudden it just started

1107
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: happening to where it was just like boom, turn another way, boom.

1108
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: All right. So I practiced it so much to it

1109
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: where I can get it. I can't go to the

1110
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: other way. I can't go to regular right now struct

1111
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: the way I struggled going the reverse, I can't do

1112
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: it now. So as I got older, I'm about to

1113
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: tell my business for y'all. As I got older, people

1114
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: were in all that. The fact that I was in

1115
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: my forties, dunkey, Well that was second nature to me. Now.

1116
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: So if you tell me the dunk it that was easy.

1117
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously could just do it. This a one

1118
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: lay a little stupid dunk that I don't believe in that.

1119
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: I ain't believe in that. I still could do it.

1120
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna utilize it until I.

1121
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 4: Can't half man, half made.

1122
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe in that. Why would I believe in that?

1123
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: Ain't so so I can do If I showed me something,

1124
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: I could do that and it was easy. That was

1125
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: like a walking the park dunk for me. But if

1126
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: somebody said, dunk the other way, bro, I would get

1127
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: hung every time.

1128
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 4: Let's just be real.

1129
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 5: You went from like not being able to turn your

1130
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 5: head around to like jumping high to where you just

1131
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 5: jump all the way in there turn around.

1132
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: Then you're just looking at it and throwing it.

1133
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: Funny thing about that those dunks in San Antonio we

1134
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: were practicing. I couldn't. I could barely make him or

1135
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: getting hung that first dunk I was not making. So

1136
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: I had already scrapped that. I was like, bro, no,

1137
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't

1138
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: make it. Got to I don't know if he told

1139
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: the store, I can't remember. So we got to San

1140
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: Francisco because we stayed in San fan had to go over.

1141
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: We get out the day of Dunk Contest. We're getting

1142
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 2: in the looking for our car. All these cars, you know,

1143
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: everybody was signed a car, blah bla blah. So were

1144
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: going down time, can't find a car, No car there,

1145
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: got such and such, that's such such. Where our car?

1146
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: So we ended up convincing now me, it's me Mac,

1147
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: And we had two other my homeboys who were probably

1148
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: too eighty or better wide bodies. And I say that

1149
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: because we're supposed to have an suv. Yeah, okay, So

1150
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: we're walking down and we ended up talking to this

1151
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: guy whoever's picking up somebody. Later on, he takes us

1152
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: in a sedan. Yeah stuff, big stuff needs San Francisco

1153
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: to Oakland traffic. When you said so, we now and

1154
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 2: it's All Star weekend, so it's probably our forty five.

1155
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: So we finally get there. We miss our practice time

1156
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: in Dunk Contest. Oh we missed our practice time. So

1157
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: now I'm like, I'm this is this is what all

1158
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. Yeah, make it to the lead,

1159
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: get it. But we're talking about this the show. The

1160
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: word like this is I've had these on tape. I

1161
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: used to practice holding the trophy up shaking David stirhead

1162
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: all this stuff, man, because like this is you know,

1163
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: it's a dunker. This this is it all Star weekend.

1164
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: People come to see Saturday Night dunk Contest, you know

1165
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So Sunday was cool, I was leading

1166
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: vote getter, all good, cool, I'm appreciative, but this is

1167
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: this is my this is my stage, right. So, and

1168
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 2: I knew I had a Mac there, but now we're

1169
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: walking down here. This is when Mac was like, bro, nah,

1170
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: I ain't doing it. The whole time he flew there,

1171
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: he was like nah, because like, man, for what all

1172
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: he said is true. He's like, for what I ain't

1173
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: gonna win said, but that's not that's a negative attitude

1174
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: to have. Tracy mcgrated that. It is a negative attitude

1175
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: to have. You have a chance like everybody else. So

1176
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: so we got there. Now he's he's done. He didn't

1177
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: want to. So when we got there, we had like

1178
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: two minutes, He's like, it's the writing on the wall.

1179
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: It's not worked out. We don't get to practice. So

1180
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: now when we get that people walking out, all the

1181
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: dunkers walking out very dead, they yeah, sweat, we just

1182
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: got to go cold turkey and get ready stretch in

1183
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: the three point contest all over. So now I'm sick.

1184
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, Like now I don't I

1185
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: don't going into convincing him because he can't. He could quit,

1186
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: but he can't drop out. Now like we getting ready

1187
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: to we we stretched, getting ready to go. Now it's

1188
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: time literally in the layl like hus man, I don't

1189
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: want to do this, bro, he did not want to

1190
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: do it. So I'm me personal, I'm locking it in there.

1191
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, whatever, I gotta do my

1192
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: thing here. But I had to make my practice time

1193
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: in the layup line in the warm ups, so without

1194
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: showing what happened, Its like I want to practice, like

1195
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: you practiced if you have four dunks. But if you practice,

1196
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: you're trying to practice all the ones in the practice gym.

1197
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: See what one you're feeling good about today? Didn't get

1198
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: to So I just started just just jumping up, just

1199
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: trying to just get my spring right, just get my

1200
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 2: mind right. I remember the one that they never show

1201
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: I jumped. I just jump up high as I can.

1202
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: I try to put the ball over the backboard and

1203
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: then throw it through. And so I was like, all right,

1204
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: well they here so the dunk routine that I had,

1205
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: I scrapped it. I scrapped it so that dump none

1206
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: like I had.

1207
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: What was you gonna do?

1208
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: I don't even remember. It wasn't good enough my point

1209
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: I got. I got there and I looked around. I'm

1210
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: seeing everybody sitting course. I was like, bro, a win,

1211
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: little windmill fleeaner like that ain't gonna win, you know,

1212
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: the reverse like I did in high school. I was,

1213
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, as a first dunk, like I've seen that before. Yeah,

1214
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: for some reason, bro, I got down there and I said,

1215
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: I'm hyping them. I'm on ten thousand right like I was.

1216
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: Just did it happen when you when you sat on

1217
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: the little stump When I jumped up there, and it

1218
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 2: was like all right, I'm good now, I'm like, oh shooting.

1219
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: You can just feel the energy. And then to introduce

1220
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: you now your turn, like you you next, and I'm

1221
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: sitting there like, man, I still did not know what

1222
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: I was gonna do sitting on that stuff. Sure, So

1223
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 2: I walked it off and I was like, looked around,

1224
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: see Twine, and you know that's my guy. A couple

1225
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: of years removed from you know, being roommates and traded

1226
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: for each other. And I was like, he's like, he's

1227
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: like Mo Man put on the show.

1228
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 4: KG.

1229
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: Obviously KG knew we came out of high school together.

1230
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, He's like, let's go. Let's go, right

1231
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 2: you exactly, you know how. So it's just like looking

1232
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: around j Will. I knew Jay Will because we live

1233
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: in the same neighborhood and everything, but we knew each

1234
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: other from back then, and it's like three sixty, let's go.

1235
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: So I in my mind it's a win. I'm winging.

1236
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm taking I'm taking a shot because I didn't think

1237
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: I could make it, but I was so hyped. Bro,

1238
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: I literally felt like I could touch the top of

1239
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: the backboard and do something like that. After you dumped it,

1240
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: you jumped.

1241
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 4: Again.

1242
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: That's that's how because I was like, so when I

1243
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: I remember taking that, I was like, come on, bro,

1244
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: just get up as high as you can. I remember

1245
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: I was saying all this one too, and I remember

1246
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: the why and I slapped the ball and when I

1247
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: turned around and I jumped, and I'm going I'm spinning,

1248
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: And like I said, looking for the rim was the

1249
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: number one thing. So as I get up there and

1250
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: look for the rim. I was already around. I'm like, oh,

1251
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking, oh, so let me go ahead, And so

1252
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: I was just like I was so hype exactly. So

1253
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: when I dumped it and just all this emotion like ah,

1254
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize my second jump until I saw it,

1255
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I con dunked it again. But I

1256
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: was like, oh, shoot, they're in trouble, bro. Like this

1257
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: dunk I couldn't make. I was squeezed dunking getting hung

1258
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: to this. The second was so the second dunk, which

1259
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 2: I probably should have done the first, but I wanted

1260
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: to show that I could take one step from out

1261
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: of bounds, can glide windmill and get to the front

1262
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: of the rim and dunk it, which like that ain't

1263
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: easy to do. You either can glide or you got

1264
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: hang time. But who I mean, you had both while

1265
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: doing the windmill. And that's the one thing I wish

1266
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: that you know, back in the day, they used to say, okay,

1267
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do, and you used to explain it,

1268
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: so at least you knew what you were seeing. So

1269
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: now you can be like, okay, bro, that is tough,

1270
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: because I don't think that dunk got the credit, it

1271
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: would have. But if I did first like that went

1272
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: old people head like I'm I'm oh, I'm losing my

1273
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: mind here by in there? Like what did he just do?

1274
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: What?

1275
00:58:59,440 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: Hanging in?

1276
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 4: I said, I don't see people doing finger tips. I

1277
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 4: just let you know that. He goes the So hear me.

1278
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing. I didn't know. I didn't know

1279
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: what I was gonna do. So I played in Gary

1280
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: Payton's UH game in Seattle. So I played in that

1281
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: game and I had Cat Mobic. So Cat was laying

1282
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: down on the floor. I said, hey, man, you remember

1283
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: the layup line in Seattle? Remember I was. I was literally,

1284
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 2: like you said, jumped up there, and I used to

1285
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: I was just dropping the ball in. I said, I'm

1286
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: gonna do that, but I'm gonna try to hang up there.

1287
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: He said, what. So I'm gonna try to hang up there?

1288
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: I never I've never done in my life. Who does that?

1289
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: That's stupid? Like if you fall off, you break your arm? Man,

1290
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: So they heard too. They heard too. That was my thing.

1291
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: If you don't jump high enough to catch it, if

1292
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: you jump up like the little bom right here, what

1293
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: you trying to do it? Like?

1294
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 4: Because you don't want to lady, gentlemen of the world.

1295
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 4: This is when you got way too many hots.

1296
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: It's a metal board that you hold on to with

1297
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: your arm and your whole body and just jump. It's

1298
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: still hard and trying to jump past it where you

1299
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: hang in and you swinging on. Listen to all this.

1300
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: You're saying, I'm having this conversation with myself during So

1301
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: now they call my name. If the people go back

1302
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: and look, I walk it off because I didn't know

1303
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: which way to come in for it to go hide,

1304
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: because I wanted to show people that. I want to

1305
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: show how high I can get, because I felt like

1306
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: I have to get high enough. You can't be rim

1307
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: height and then try to do that and slap man

1308
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: like if you don't get like you said, you're gonna

1309
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: tell I'm tearing up all that. The ring goes to

1310
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: scrape all that. So I wanted to get high enough

1311
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: and then, like you said, get make sure I get

1312
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: my arm in and hold on. And I just had

1313
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: to hold on. But then so I walked back and

1314
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: I remember rubbing my arm and as I stood on

1315
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: the rim, I said, Lord, this worked. You walked up

1316
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: and I rubbed my arms here we go. The last

1317
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: thing my coach said before we left. He said, all right,

1318
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: he said, but say y'all have fun. Y'all bring the

1319
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: trophy home. Don't damn leg you come head, get hurt

1320
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: and break your lamb leg. I'm gonna be out in

1321
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: the water. I want to get a phone call. I

1322
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: remember that. So as I'm walking back, he'said this man said,

1323
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: don't break your legs right now. I might break my arm,

1324
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: but so I walk it off. So when I when

1325
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: I jumped up there, I said, when I got there

1326
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: and I turned around, I was like, what do I

1327
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: want to accomplish? I'll be thinking, like you know, all

1328
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: over the place, what do I want to accomplish? I

1329
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: want the crowd to be silent. This you as, this

1330
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: is gonna throw you for a loop like this ain't

1331
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: gonna be what it was. So I remember jumping jumped

1332
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: up there, and when I got up there, I was

1333
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: holding on for dear life. I remember getting up there,

1334
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: holding on for dear life. And if you, if you

1335
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: there's a one angle way, you could see me like

1336
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: my eyes closed holding on. And then when I let go,

1337
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: you see my head. So my head is down because

1338
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm listening to see the reaction, and then all of

1339
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 2: a sudden, you see me like smirking me like that's

1340
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: what I was like. It's like I make I'm making

1341
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: these dunks up on the spot and I'm pulling them

1342
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: off like sorry, guys, say the night. So and as

1343
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm walking walk my hit down, that's when Isaia said

1344
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: what the fuck?

1345
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: What it said to me?

1346
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: I was like and and then then then they showed

1347
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: it replay and that's when everybody went crazy, and I

1348
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: was like, mission accomplished. Yeah yeah, but let me tell you.

1349
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: I want to give you the second part of this.

1350
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: The next day the game, when I woke up, couldn't

1351
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: move my arm. The adrenaline war off. It was purple here.

1352
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: You can do that right here. So I couldn't move it,

1353
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: but I ended up it up and then you know

1354
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: I was able to play.

1355
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: But bro, I want to talk about the game we played,

1356
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: y'all when we first got to the lead. The game

1357
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: we played y'all in in l A. They used to

1358
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: show these highlights of you playing them the year before us,

1359
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: and you like called a lob the one hand from

1360
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: out here and just through it and just kept running.

1361
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,479
Speaker 4: So the game.

1362
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: We're like, man, I said, know this man gonna get

1363
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: a dunk and so for a phone. So we come

1364
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: down on the break. I don't even see you trailing, and.

1365
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: I just Mark Jackson was our point guard, wasn't it. Yeah,

1366
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: so that you know he's a he used to run

1367
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: down he get one look, Okay, I see him, and

1368
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: he did this just to get everybody to jump in.

1369
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 4: I was coming to play. Thank goodness. You don't never

1370
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 4: get back on this. I do.

1371
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, not that play I was.

1372
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 4: I was just in transition. I wasn't like that transition.

1373
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: I was.

1374
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 3: Mack used to always tell me about you. I was

1375
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: always asked watching all that guy, Yeah that's my guy.

1376
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 4: Man, he wiped his whole ass with that windmen.

1377
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: He definitely did.

1378
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 4: And you was standing there like, like you remember what

1379
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 4: I told you? You took that boy? I said, yeah,

1380
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 4: you better how to deal what you did.

1381
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 5: I had a lot of I had a lot of

1382
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: dunkstay game too, though I don't care it would if

1383
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 5: you would have got dumk thrown on the windmill.

1384
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 4: That didn't mean it would have took all your dunks away.

1385
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: Immediately was filing. That's what he does. It was amazing.

1386
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: I was so happy to hear he was on my team, bro,

1387
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: because I learned, you know, I just watched. He made

1388
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: the game easier for me. So when I walked on

1389
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: to court as a rookie, it's just like I prepared.

1390
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: I feel like I played against some of the big place.

1391
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: He taught me how to be a pro. He taught

1392
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: me how to watch film, how to play the game,

1393
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: and he was like he was too security.

1394
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 5: How did it feel to feel to win Rookie of

1395
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 5: the Year, Like that's like something that I don't care

1396
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 5: who you are when you get drafted.

1397
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: You like, I want to be the rooks every everybody

1398
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 2: in the lottery exactly like they got everybody a period.

1399
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't in the lottery, and I was like I

1400
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 4: won't be.

1401
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: But but if you think about it, like the number

1402
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: one pick was Michael ol'candy. Obviously baby was the hot guy,

1403
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: you know, the top two pick and the old Candy.

1404
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: It's just you know he can dump, but what else

1405
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: can he do? He was ol Candy? Oho, I came

1406
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: out of nowhere though, yeah he did. But I'm saying,

1407
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: but that's as far as me as an athlete. And

1408
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: then it became then Paul dropped a ten that was crazy.

1409
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: I still don't know why that happened, but never did

1410
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: and it was meant to be. He was meant to

1411
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: play in Boston, but for him to, you know, to

1412
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: to really take that and motivator. It became me Paul

1413
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 2: and Jay will in the running for the Rookie of

1414
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: the Year and the second part of the season, I

1415
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: just because he Paul and it was killing. The second

1416
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: part of the season. I kind of figured it out

1417
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 2: a little bit and it took off and I wanted.

1418
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: So it was a great feeling because like I wasn't

1419
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: talked about, and you know, initially, it's what you hear,

1420
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: initially what you say, here's the people that has the potential.

1421
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: And Paul was in there because he you know, he

1422
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: should have been top five and the kind of creeping

1423
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: there and play black bro. The game seems so easy

1424
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: because it's wide open. It was like a different game

1425
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: like run and jump, like just it felt like playing

1426
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: pick up in Florida again, like that's all people did.

1427
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: Run and jump like it was easy and added a

1428
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: jump shot to it and make shots and now I'm

1429
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: a go to guy make plays.

1430
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: But I always wanted to ask you this just from

1431
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: a fan of for seeing the success t Mac had

1432
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: in Orlando, of how just what if like just seeing

1433
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: his success and you know, I know you was in

1434
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: Toronto and y'all had a champion ship team a corps,

1435
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: but if it was you and another caliber player like

1436
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: t Mac the way he was playing, like that's that's championship. Yeah,

1437
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: found to see the success y'all had him, see the

1438
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: success that he had in Orlando and not beat up,

1439
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: like how.

1440
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: Was that for you? I was happy for him because

1441
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: that's what he wanted when he was leaving. And at

1442
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: the time, the media tried to put us against each other.

1443
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: So they go to him like Vince Carter said this

1444
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: is this, and they come back to me with T

1445
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 2: Max said, just us. Well, we called and talked on

1446
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: the phone like bro, we going back and forth over

1447
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: this when we can do talk this through? So we

1448
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 2: had conversation about this and was like, bro, I ain't

1449
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: even I didn't even say that. So it's cool. So

1450
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: now media going back and forth, but we had already

1451
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: talked like yeah, yeah exactly. So I was happy. I

1452
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: didn't want to leave. I was like cuz, like so

1453
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: because the year before, like they said that, we got

1454
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: swept in the playoffs. But he was balling. And see,

1455
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: the thing about me is like I wanted to do

1456
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: my thing, but I knew I had a dog on

1457
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: the other side. So if he's going to thirty and

1458
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: hitting the game with it, like, it's all good, like

1459
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: Coach Hall drawed up for me. But if he opened, bro,

1460
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a rock.

1461
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 4: That's my cousin.

1462
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm getting to play with my cousin in the league,

1463
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: my first company. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My oldest boy,

1464
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: I got to play with him when I'm in the league. Man,

1465
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: That's that's crazy. So it was, it was. It was

1466
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: one of those things where y'all let y'all hang let

1467
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: later on, I keep on going on that so so,

1468
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 2: but it's just that's what it was. So I was like, bro,

1469
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: so he wanted to be the number one option, whether

1470
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 2: he got the shot or not. I understood that. So

1471
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: it was no hard feelings and he and then he

1472
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: was like, Cuz I get a chance to go home

1473
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: and play. That's a dream come true. Yeah, as a

1474
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: young guy. And now kind of the break because you

1475
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: can think back before for Max, they told him that

1476
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: he might not you know, last in the league three years,

1477
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: he might not be a pro. Now you get a

1478
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: chance to be the man, and he went ape shit,

1479
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I'm saying. So I could be mad,

1480
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: But the battles were great because I knew he wanted

1481
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: to beat us because of whatever. So it made our rivalry,

1482
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, times playing each other great. But it was

1483
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: no hard feelings.

1484
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 4: Man.

1485
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: But later on he was you know, when we got

1486
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: older and kind of from years or move He's like, man,

1487
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: cause I still think about it whatever.

1488
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Speaker 1: Like with the team I had with the Davis boy,

1489
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: you know Oak, y'all had Enforceters, you had shooters, you

1490
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: had nice point guard and.

1491
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: He played point guard.

1492
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like just to have how he was playing

1493
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: a cop because like I told him when we talked

1494
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: to him, like, you know, I knew who he was.

1495
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: But when I got to a league that was your

1496
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: first year in Orlando, like you didnet passed everybody up.

1497
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: When I was going back home, I was like, man,

1498
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: that Kobe and Tracy is kind of different, you know,

1499
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: like they coming.

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Speaker 4: I know what I wanted to ask you. We talk

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01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 4: about moves and start movements.

1502
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 5: Do you acknowledge and realize the impact that you had

1503
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 5: on Toronto slash Canada basketball with how you came and

1504
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 5: was like you know, you was like twenty seven all

1505
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 5: NBA dun contact, like you splashed kids.

1506
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: It's about now or back then?

1507
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 5: Like well both well didn't Like now you see the fruits.

1508
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 5: You see all of these guys that Jamal Murray's the

1509
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 5: shape and all of these guys.

1510
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: Kristan Thompson, this is my basketball camp. That's crazy. Kelly

1511
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: o'lennok was in my basketball camp in Toronto. Yeah, they talked.

1512
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: We came to like, yo, I used to be in

1513
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: your basketball camp.

1514
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying.

1515
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 5: Do you realize like that, how like how much of

1516
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 5: an influence you were on like cause it's a it's

1517
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 5: a huge it's a hog right now like they them

1518
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 5: boys are doing it.

1519
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 2: I had no idea leading up obviously leading up to it,

1520
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: because I was just trying to make my mark, and

1521
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: you know, I love the game. It was question that

1522
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: I ain't love the game, but I love playing. I said,

1523
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 2: I just love playing and it shine through on the

1524
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: court and did whatever I had to do. I moved

1525
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: my foundation down there, so we make sure we're in

1526
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: the community. I build a basketball course where you used

1527
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: to we used to walk around Toronto. Oh you saw

1528
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: it was hockey jersey. I ain't see nobody walking around

1529
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: the basketball. They didn't even have basketball, of course, and

1530
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 2: if they were, it was broke down or half court.

1531
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: So I started building a few courts around the city

1532
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: and it just we started winning. We made the playoffs,

1533
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: we got swept. But it's like, oh, we got something

1534
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: to cheer for it because maple leafs that's what it was.

1535
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 2: And it became basketball Toronto Raptors. Oh that's the basketball team. Oh,

1536
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go check them out next thing. You know,

1537
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 2: it's rocking. I mean it's rocking now, like no different idea, bro.

1538
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 5: And you see whatever they call it outside, well, all

1539
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 5: of them fans that Crassic Park Jurassic part like you

1540
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 5: literally like that movement and see where it is now,

1541
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 5: like what do you what do you feel? And think

1542
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 5: about the cool thing about I got to witness then

1543
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 5: win that championship team. Mac and I we both were

1544
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 5: sitting in the building when they wanted to and he

1545
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 5: sat there. I remember it was like a minute left

1546
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 5: in the game. He turned them in, he says, cuz

1547
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 5: they about to win a championship in Canada, Toronto. We

1548
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 5: played here and look at where they are now.

1549
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: And that's when that conversation about, man, just imagine if

1550
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: because if we stay, we could have for show one

1551
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 2: or at least one too. So we had that conversation

1552
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: as the time running down, we go down to the

1553
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 2: court and we're leaving. Because so it was a moment

1554
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: like it was crazy to witness, Like I said, I'm

1555
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: in the building with all that's going on through over

1556
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: the years and she had shift to appreciation both ways

1557
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 2: and stuff, and now to be here to see that,

1558
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: like people are like, I wonder how he's reacted, how

1559
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: he feels about it. Is he better?

1560
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 4: Better?

1561
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 6: Bro?

1562
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: Doc, this is part of history where I play like

1563
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: it was. I'm never better. Of course you better because

1564
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 2: you felt like there was beef between bro. I'm i'm I'm,

1565
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm I love playing ball, man, hence I stayed so long.

1566
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 2: I love playing basketball and to be there and see that.

1567
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 2: So we walked on the court and see everybody celebrated

1568
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: and Kyle Lowry and my boy so okay lo I

1569
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: was like he was interviewing, I was like, man, congratulations. Well,

1570
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: first of all, nav was the first one that caught

1571
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: us off the court. You know, you know, no, so

1572
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: he was the first one. Yeah yeah, superman. Everybody know

1573
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: nov with the turbine. So he came and gave us

1574
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: a hug like this is because of you. You two

1575
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 2: did it, blah blah, and it's just like it's crazy,

1576
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: like you, I acknowledge it, but it was like at

1577
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: that moment, it was their time. I was happy to

1578
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: be a part of it, and like I said, lay

1579
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 2: the groundwork because I was one of the first to

1580
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 2: actually sign a second deal. Mighty Mouse left can be left,

1581
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: Mac left, and then I was the next pick the

1582
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: next year. That's and I stayed so and was appreciate

1583
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: cause I just like it wasn't I didn't understand what

1584
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: that meant. It's just I was happy where I was

1585
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 2: and I wanted to win and enjoy playing ball. Everything

1586
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: was good. I have a country because Vancouver left. Now

1587
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 2: it's just Toronto, and I'm like that's my city now, right,

1588
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: So it was just that's what it was. And then

1589
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: obviously things went high, it.

1590
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: Went and but man, it's definitely your country to go back.

1591
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: To go back and see that. Bro, And I remember

1592
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: walking on the court and now I was up there

1593
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: with all the fans and they cheering, and kay Loo

1594
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 2: was like, yo, me, y'all come do the interviews, Like no,

1595
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 2: this is your moment. I'm just living in it from

1596
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 2: the moment like we walked through. Like Bro, they're about

1597
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: to say the Toronto Raptors are the NBA. It's like,

1598
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: this is crazy.

1599
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: It's just crazy after your era, just like seeing how

1600
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: this league is now, Like seeing how many kids from

1601
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: Canada that's in this league. That's not only just in

1602
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: this league and just on the team. They's some of

1603
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: the best players on their team, you know what I'm saying.

1604
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: And they come from from their age group. They coming

1605
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 1: from an era of seeing they showing your basketball games,

1606
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: every last one of your games against showed all over

1607
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: the country. Like if they ain't watching anybody games, they

1608
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: watching yours. So they take that from you.

1609
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: And especially at that time when they have along like that,

1610
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: they move on to the next level. I mean, it's

1611
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 2: just it's a crazy thing. And like to hear those

1612
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 2: guys say, Bro, like Tristan Thompson came up there, He's

1613
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: like yo, you are my Michael Jordan. Like that I

1614
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: was one of the most uncomfortable conversations I had or

1615
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: compliments I've ever had. Like we talked you talking about

1616
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. How people put Michael Jordan in, How we

1617
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: put exactly Like, now, here's is a guy who says

1618
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: that who is in the league, you know, who is

1619
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: not a guard? He's a big man. He's like, no,

1620
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: you are are Michael Jordan. You and my Michael Jordan.

1621
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: What you did for the game, how you loved it,

1622
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: You played it because you you know, you just wanted

1623
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 2: to be the best and it shine through. And that's

1624
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: when it hit me and I was like, damn, that's crazy.

1625
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: And then more players start coming in, Kelly Olings, like

1626
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: I was in your camp. Look at what he's doing.

1627
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: He's still in the league. It's just it's just, you know,

1628
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: just different players. And then you start seeing younger guys

1629
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: who still like you know, because there's still Kobe, there's

1630
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 2: still lebron At and it's like you are from Canada.

1631
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: They'll be like you were my favorite player growing up. Yeah,

1632
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: you were my favorite player. Like that's this It's crazy, man.

1633
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm definitely an appreciative that.

1634
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,160
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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,400
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01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,639
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