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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Tutor Dixon podcast and you

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Speaker 1: probably heard my podcast a few days ago about Sheridan

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Speaker 1: Gorman who was senselessly murdered in Chicago, a young girl

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old. I think that we can all relate

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Speaker 1: I know you all have children of your own. Her

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Speaker 1: parents sent her to college for her first year, and

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Speaker 1: not just any college, to Loyola. And when you send

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Speaker 1: your daughter to Loyola, you are sending your kid to

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Speaker 1: a university that has a great reputation. You have to

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Speaker 1: You should be safe. They sent their daughter there and

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Speaker 1: probably celebrated sending their daughter there. And then you heard

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Speaker 1: with friends one night, like any college student would do,

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Speaker 1: to take pictures, just to go out and take pictures.

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Speaker 1: They thought they might catch the northern lights. But she

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Speaker 1: was brutally murdered by an illegal alien that night because

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Speaker 1: shot in the head. She was shot in the back.

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Speaker 1: So we know she ran, We know she saw this guy.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what was said, but we know that

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Speaker 1: this girl knew her life was in danger. This eighteen

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Speaker 1: her in the back and killed her. This story, you

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Speaker 1: think it's not common, It is way too common. There

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Speaker 1: are way too many. There are thousands of what we

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Speaker 1: call angel families out there that have lost their child

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Speaker 1: or their family member, someone they love to an illegal alien,

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Speaker 1: someone who came into this country illegally and committed a crime.

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Speaker 1: And we have one of those parents with us today.

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Speaker 1: Just a year ago, January nineteenth, twenty twenty five, Joe

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Speaker 1: Abraham's daughter Katie was killed in Urbana, Illinois, in Illinois,

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Speaker 1: again by an illegal immigrant who was a drunk driver,

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Speaker 1: because I have told you guys before, I've met with

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Speaker 1: many families. In twenty nineteen, met with eighteen families who

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Speaker 1: their car. And Joe, I know that's your story, and

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Speaker 1: I am just so grateful that you were here to share.

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Speaker 1: Katie was twenty just twenty years old, her whole life

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Speaker 2: She was absolutely ripped from us.

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Speaker 3: And it's rather distressing when you hear everyone defending sanctuary

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Speaker 3: about how they are separating families.

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Speaker 2: So Katie was, you know, minding her business, living her

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Speaker 2: life now and all honestly, between you and I, I

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Speaker 2: didn't really like the fact that she was going to Urbana,

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Speaker 2: that's where the University of Illinois is located, just because

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Speaker 2: we are sanctuary and a lot of these this state

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Speaker 2: just a side note, all three of my kids did

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Speaker 2: not go to college in Illinois. I would I would

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Speaker 2: There are other schools they can go to and safer places.

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Speaker 1: I just have to say, it is blowing my mind

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Speaker 1: what you're saying right now. Because I grew up in Illinois.

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Speaker 1: I think, okay, being on the streets of Chicago, that's

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Speaker 1: somewhat dangerous. But being in Urbana what you just said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will. You know. I was there the other day,

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Speaker 2: So Katie went down that weekend just with some friends.

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Speaker 2: families are being separated. They're so evil and cruel. Why

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Speaker 2: What do I mean by that? Katie was ripped from

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Speaker 2: us by someone who should never been here. This was

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Speaker 2: not an American duy driving. Yes, we have those deaths

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Speaker 2: know the difference. I will never see Katie again. She's

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Speaker 2: That's how bad it is when you're going through this.

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Speaker 2: But there's no consideration for us, or were supposed to

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Speaker 2: shut our miles if we talking about it we're cruel

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Speaker 2: and racists and bigots, and this is what they use

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Speaker 2: But I won't be What are they gonna do. I'm

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Speaker 2: so they That's what they don't seem to understand. And

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Speaker 2: we get no consideration, not from the state leaders, not

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Speaker 2: And so they look at you and say, why is

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Speaker 1: You know. That is that drives me crazy and I

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Speaker 1: to be policing. That's what our focus needs to be.

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Speaker 1: When we have police officers, when we have police departments,

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Speaker 1: when we have a federal law enforcement, they need to

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Speaker 1: be focused on Americans that are hurting Americas and making

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Speaker 1: sure our streets are safe. Why would we add more?

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Speaker 1: She's a state senator in the state of Michigan. Her

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Speaker 1: and she just did this video where she said, this

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Speaker 1: is outrageous that Republicans are not funding TSA because they're

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Speaker 1: insistent that they fund ICE. We cannot fund ICE. We

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Speaker 1: possibly say that we should keep our airport safe and

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Speaker 1: How do you take how do you make those two separate?

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Speaker 1: How do you decide that one is more important than

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Speaker 1: the other. Because the idea that this guy in Chicago

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you. It's a complete deflection and

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Speaker 2: really just kind of besides the point, right, the fact

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Speaker 2: that we have crime or naturalized citizens number one, I

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Speaker 2: They're manipulating some statistics. I know about statistics. You could

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Speaker 2: But let's just for the sake of this argument, say

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Speaker 2: that's true. So is our logical end here? We don't

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Speaker 2: have enough crime, so we'll import crime and we won't

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Speaker 2: Now we need more to come in. Look in Illinois,

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Speaker 2: we're bleeding citizens. And so you can't even take care

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Speaker 1: Just it's nasty. I mean, it's just nasty. And I

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Speaker 1: thought Lori Lightfoot was like the worst when she was mayor.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was asked a question today on Fox

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Speaker 2: He's silly. He's like a silly person. I won't waste

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Speaker 1: But it's silly person that has too much power.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, he's a silly person. And more importantly, he's a

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Speaker 2: dangerous person. I don't want to engage in a dangerous

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Speaker 2: I don't want I hope Chicago's smart is up on that,

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Speaker 2: but I suspect they might not, but I hope they do.

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Speaker 1: But how do these people get elected though? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm a lifelong Illinois and lived in Cook County. There's

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Speaker 2: no way this county is not the most corrupt in

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Speaker 2: the nation. So then you tell me how they do it.

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. It reminds me of we had

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Speaker 1: that Crook County podcast guy on one time and he

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Speaker 1: went through exactly what happens behind the scenes. So you

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Speaker 1: make a great point. There is a lot of corruption,

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Speaker 1: but think of just the corruption of wanting to keep

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Speaker 1: I think people don't necessarily understand what sanctuary city means

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Speaker 1: and what sanctuary policies are. And I've tried to explain

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Speaker 1: this in our state. In our town, we had people

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Speaker 1: your town a welcoming city. That was the new term

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Speaker 1: for sanctuary city. And we went to the town council

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Speaker 1: and we talked spoke against it, said you have to understand,

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Speaker 1: this sounds so great. They use great words. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it sounds so lovely to be welcomes.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely news. It's so orwellian welcoming town. What does

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Speaker 2: that mean exactly? And by the way, what do you

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Speaker 2: do for the people you're welcomed in? For example, just

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Speaker 2: They just full speed ahead and whatever they think is

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Speaker 2: going to get them where they need to go. So

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Speaker 2: it's a sad life personally. I mean, I maybe a

431
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: little bit understand it. He grew up, you know, again,

432
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: there was this turn that you know, he was born

433
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: on third base and thought he had a triple. But

434
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: so when you have everything given to you and you've

435
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: never worked for anything and you never had to struggle,

436
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: things might look a little bit differently. And that empathy

437
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: is I think sort of fades away when you're going

438
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: that way. He has none, and I'm a example number

439
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: one of that. There are so many others. To your point,

440
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: there are thousands of victims, but tens of thousands. But

441
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: on top of that, now you've got to start talking

442
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of really victims that are suffering, that

443
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 2: are left behind. So it's not just things victims. And

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00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: that's what upsets me. Last year when he was saying,

445
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: when Cherry mc comber was asking him, should he should

446
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: this guy have been in the state when he killed Katie,

447
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't answer that. He said. All he could

448
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: say is, well, look, we're going to judicate him and

449
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: he's you know, if he's a criminal, he's going to

450
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: get his time. But sorry, Governor, that's not good enough.

451
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: You could have vetted him out. If you had any

452
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: minimal standards right, you could have vetted him out. Katie

453
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Speaker 2: would be alive. It's not good enough to say, well,

454
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: he's now going to spend some decades, a couple of

455
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: decades in jail, if even that. And meanwhile, we don't

456
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Speaker 2: care about the dozens of family members are suffering the

457
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: rest of our lives, sitting with a life sentence. See

458
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: this is what he doesn't understand, and the consideration and

459
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: my goodness, just stop for him. Pause. Can you really

460
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: handle half a million plus to come in within a

461
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: few years because Joe Biden and all hando mayarchists were

462
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: created a free for all. You can't handle what you

463
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: got in your state. You can't take anymore.

464
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Speaker 1: Just through the door wide open. Remember when Governor Abbott

465
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Speaker 1: started sending immigrants to New York and to Chicago, and

466
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Speaker 1: they said, this isn't fair, we can't take this. Well,

467
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: this is exactly that. That's that's the point. It's we

468
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: can't take this, we can't do this.

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Speaker 2: But that's a that's a deflection. That that that's a

470
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: reflection on Governor Pittsburgh. He blames uh a, Governor Abbot

471
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Speaker 2: with the buses. How many buses really did come to Chicago?

472
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Speaker 2: One hundred? Right, a bus holds what seventy Okay, let's

473
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Speaker 2: call it a thousand buses? You let in over half

474
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Speaker 2: a million, Greg greg Abbot's buses only was a dent

475
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Speaker 2: in that you mirror, Stop blaming others and look in

476
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Speaker 2: the mirror, pause yourself, have the common sense to reassess

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Speaker 2: your policies.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So when I talk to families

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00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: who've experienced the same thing you've experienced, they say, look,

481
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: the person who did this, they got a sentence. Maybe

482
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: it's not even a life sentence. They go to jail,

483
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: and some of them have already gotten out of jail,

484
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: some of them have gone on to commit more crimes.

485
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the crazy part about it. And yet

486
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: they say to me, but we got a death sentence.

487
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: We lost our person forever. You were telling me what

488
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: that weekend was like before. And then what I always

489
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: think about that too, is as you're planning, like you know,

490
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: everybody has planned, and then they just lose that person

491
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: and all those plans just it's just all melts away.

492
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Speaker 1: Tell us about what that was for you.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so we get the fun call on the

494
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: nineteenth and to hear that your youngest daughter was killed

495
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Speaker 2: on the streets of Urbana, l and Oi doing nothing

496
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: but minding their own business. We couldn't even process it.

497
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: Why Katie's sister and her our only year apart. They

498
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: are so close, like you couldn't believe people couldn't be

499
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: closer than those two. So now her sister's texting us

500
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: right away, because from the time they get up to

501
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: the time they go to bed, they're always together, even

502
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: though they were in separate universities. She's texting us Katie's

503
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: phones at the police station. She knows the location of

504
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: the phone. What's happening. I'm worried on Freako. So now

505
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: we're like, we can't even like processes. We have to stop.

506
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: She's got two siblings. They cannot hear outside of us.

507
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: We had to get into a car in January in

508
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: a still store in Michigan and get up to the

509
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: university five and a half hours to tell my other

510
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: daughter that her sister was killed. And what haunts me

511
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: to this day is when we walked into her apartment

512
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: and she saw us and she knew, and her reaction

513
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: is seared in my brain. She knew that her daughter

514
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: was dead, and I mean her sister was dead, and

515
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: she I mean we I'll never forget that day. I

516
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: will never It haunts my dreams. It haunts me that

517
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't with Katie. I would give everything I have

518
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: and the rest of my days for just one more

519
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: hour with Katie, so we held her. Her sister were

520
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: comforted her, We spent time with her. Her mom stayed.

521
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: I drove back because she's got another sibling down here. Brother.

522
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 2: It was the longest day of our lives, all this happening,

523
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: when we couldn't really process what they did to Katie

524
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: a violent They had to pry open that little Honda

525
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: Civic just to drag her dead body out of the car.

526
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: I wasn't there for her. It pains me to this day.

527
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: I know what the Gormans are going through. I know

528
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: the sleepless nights that are gonna have. I went days

529
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: without sleep because I used to have these vivid, vivid

530
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: dreams of Katie, her and I, like we were back again.

531
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: And then I'd wake up and your mind plays these

532
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: tricks like she's alive and she's not really dead, and

533
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: then you're like she's dead, and then you don't want

534
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: to go to sleep because you're scared. You don't want

535
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: to do that whole thing over again. So now you're

536
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: not sleeping for days because you got questions. In this

537
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: May of twenty twenty five, I can't recall the exact day.

538
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: I wish i'd just noted it down, but I didn't.

539
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Everything was such a fog back then. She came to

540
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: my dreams as vivid as I'm talking to you. We're

541
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: both crying. She hugs me, she kisses me, and she says,

542
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: I'm okay. And I have never seen her since, and

543
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: it breaks my heart because she should be here. I

544
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: would trade places with her and heartbeat. Now I just

545
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: have to wait for the day that we're reunited. This

546
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: is the other thing. Governor Pritzker doesn't realize that what

547
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: he took away from me was not just Katie, was

548
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: my consideration of my longevity. I don't worry about my

549
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: longevity anymore. I know I have two other children, and

550
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: my whole thing was watch my kids grow and watch

551
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: their kids grow. That was why I wanted longevity. So

552
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: you took my golden years away, Governor, with your reckless policies.

553
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: And now I'm just going through life and I want

554
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: to see my Katie again. I want to reunite with it.

555
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 2: I know I will, and I'm waiting to hear all

556
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: the adventures she had with our heavenly father because she

557
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: is such a huge personality that the thing she's doing,

558
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure is driving half the people up there crazy.

559
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: So this is what they don't consider, what they don't

560
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: care about. This is real, This is this is just

561
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: a gut punch every morning, every night, and they don't care.

562
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Turbans don't care, Duckworsts don't care, Pritzkers don't care. Up

563
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: and down the chain of this state, no one cares,

564
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: no consideration for people like us in the Gormant. It's

565
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: the Gormans are going to see the same thing from Illinois.

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Speaker 1: I'm so so sorry for your loss, and I'm I'm

567
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: so grateful that you are willing to speak out on

568
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: this because it's hard. It's hard to tell that story,

569
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: but I think those are the feelings people need to understand.

570
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: That's the loss, that's what these policies are doing. That

571
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: is how painful this is. And you are one of

572
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: so many families who wake up this way every day.

573
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: I know.

574
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: I have a friend who lost her son a similar situation.

575
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: Drunk driver killed him on a motorcycle and it was

576
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: her only child, and she has the same She wakes

577
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: up every day and she talks about him every day,

578
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: and she thinks of him, and she speaks about him,

579
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: and she has kept his memory alive. But she is

580
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: never not advocating for families like yours. She's always in DC,

581
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: she's always fighting, and it's so important to speak out.

582
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: I know it's so hard for you. I can see

583
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: that it's so hard for you. I mean, it's hard

584
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: for me to even hear the story because my heart

585
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: breaks for you. But I am so impressed that you

586
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: are doing this, and I thank you. Thank you for

587
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: speaking up, thank you for telling your story, thank you

588
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: for making sure people hear the pain of not taking

589
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: care of Americans.

590
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's you know, that's the main point for me,

591
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: is no one. I wish I could explain it in

592
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: better words. Honestly, I wish I just can't. It is

593
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: something no one should ever have to experience. It's not right.

594
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: And that's the only reason why I'm speaking out, and

595
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: I will continue to speak out, and I will continue

596
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: to speak out so that other families can be saved,

597
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: and that I want our politicians to start listening. That

598
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: they're ideology should not be so rigid that they cannot stop,

599
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: take a breath and reassess. That's not losing, that's not

600
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: showing weakness. To me, that's the opposite, and the fact

601
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: that you can't do that is so disheartening to me,

602
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: is so discouraging that we have policymakers that will continue

603
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: to go headlong into this. I was at the hearing

604
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: listening to some of the Democratic senator senators after even

605
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: I told my story, as if I wasn't even there.

606
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: They're going headlong into ices, terrorists. DHS needs to be defunded.

607
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: You know, all these immigrants, I only here for a

608
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: better life, and there are neighbors and the backbone. All

609
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: this is just rhetoric. It's demagogudry, and it should stop,

610
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: and they need to start taking some consideration for others.

611
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to watch.

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00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: Any elected official who is a parent who can hear

613
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Speaker 1: your story and what you just said about feeling as

614
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: though you've had your golden years ripped away from you,

615
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: and that image of you and the torture of being

616
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: toggled between your children who are here on earth and

617
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: your child who's in heaven, and that feeling that poll

618
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: to be with both sides, the two that are here.

619
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Speaker 1: And Katie, who is celebrating, we know she's in a

620
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: beautiful place. We know that she's enjoying her time with

621
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: our Savior, but she's meant to be with you for longer.

622
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. I appreciate you sharing that. I

623
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: hope that there are elected officials out there that are

624
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: listening to this, that are understanding that it's not cruel

625
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're safe. This is not cruel.

626
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: This is actually these are the policies that are so

627
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: critical to making sure that people can live in this

628
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: country and have the American dream and enjoy their families.

629
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Speaker 1: And that should be what we want.

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00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: And I just want what's cruel, Tutor, what's cruel is

631
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: what they did during the Biden New Yorkist years. That

632
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: was cruel and that was extreme. And to now deflect

633
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: today to say we're too extreme. Where were these same

634
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: voices during the Biden and New Yorkers years when people

635
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: were being exploited, children are being exploited, people were being

636
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 2: killed along the way, you had misery at the board.

637
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: Where were these voices? This is not about This was

638
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: not about bettering people. This was not they were doing

639
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: something insidious. I don't know why the Department of Justice

640
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: can't look into some of these people, like a New Yorkist.

641
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: I don't understand why do they get away with it?

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Speaker 1: But this.

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Speaker 2: You cannot say this is cruel and not turn back

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Speaker 2: and say, well that was cool cruol as well. So

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Speaker 2: therefore we need to you know where I'm sitting. You

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Speaker 2: kind of got to be extreme now because you have

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Speaker 2: to combat the extreme that was before. You don't get

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Speaker 2: one and not the other. I'm sorry you created this environment.

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Speaker 2: Someone has to get it figured out.

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Speaker 1: And I'll just say this, it is all set up

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Speaker 1: for that to reoccur. If that, if this, if they

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Speaker 1: get back into power, they have still those systems set

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Speaker 1: up to make sure those doors go wide open, that

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Speaker 1: the border reopens. Is so it is so critical to

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Speaker 1: hear your voice. Joe Abraham, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: sharing your thank you daughter's beautiful life with us. Thank

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Speaker 1: you and thank you all for listening to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: As you know, you can get the podcasts wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts, iHeartRadio, app, Apple Podcasts, Rumble or YouTube.

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Speaker 1: You can watch it there. God bless you and God

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Speaker 1: bless you Joe, Thank you all for listening. Have a

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Speaker 1: blessed day,