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Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt

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Speaker 1: and today we're discussing freelancing your Way to Freedom with

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Speaker 1: Vincent Puglisi. Yeah, Joel, Vincent's He's a husband, a dad,

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Speaker 1: and a professional photographer who started out making just fifteen

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Speaker 1: dollars an hour working for the local newspaper, all the

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Speaker 1: way to paying off dollars in debts over four years.

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Speaker 1: Through his journey to becoming debt free, he discovered the

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Speaker 1: power of being self employed and the impact that it

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Speaker 1: can have towards not only achieving financial freedom, but time

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Speaker 1: freedom as well. During the process, Vincent wrote the book

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Speaker 1: Freelance to Freedom, which has inspired many who want to

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Speaker 1: quit their day job and start their own business to

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Speaker 1: take control of their lives. I've read this entire book.

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly motivating and practical as well. So man, because

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Speaker 1: of that, I am really excited for our conversation today.

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Speaker 1: So Vincent, thanks so much for for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, this is so much fun. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: be here and thanks for having me. Oh of course, Vincent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're really excited to chat with you and every every

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Speaker 1: week on the show, Matt and I we have a

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Speaker 1: craft beer, and today on the show, we're drinking a

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Speaker 1: beer called S'more's Yetti by Great Divide. So it's a

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Speaker 1: stout that tastes like some more so it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: pretty tasty. Looking forward to having this one. I need one,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll send you one. We'll send you one.

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Speaker 1: But basically, Vincent, it's in effort to prioritize things that

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Speaker 1: we really care about right now, while we're also trying

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Speaker 1: to be really intentional about saving for the future. And

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Speaker 1: so I want to ask you kind of what's your splurge,

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Speaker 1: what's your craft beer equivalent. It's a little more expensive,

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Speaker 1: probably it's traveling. That's that is that is my splurge.

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Speaker 1: And and I think people think we're crazy. We have

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Speaker 1: three kids and married. But traveling, seeing different places, going

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Speaker 1: on the road for a while, that's that's where my

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Speaker 1: that's where my fun money goes for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Very cool. So you are actually on the road currently

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Speaker 1: right you wanna you wanna share with our listeners where

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Speaker 1: you are right now? We're in San Augustine, Florida. It's

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Speaker 1: bright and Sunday. We live in Pittsburgh. During the regular

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Speaker 1: part of the year, but every year we leave for

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Speaker 1: about three months, three to four months as a family.

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Speaker 1: We homeschool and we just hit the road and we

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Speaker 1: explore different parts of the country and eventually the world

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Speaker 1: with them. So the last two years we went out west.

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Speaker 1: This year we're doing a southeast tour of here in

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Speaker 1: the beach of Alabama and then to Hilton Head and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back once once the stun starts shining in

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania again. Yeah, And and homeschooling man that allows you

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Speaker 1: and not just the time you have available. Right the

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Speaker 1: price and the crowds. So we just we when everybody

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Speaker 1: the world is ours again, let's go. And you know,

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Speaker 1: So we try to try to do everything opposite of

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Speaker 1: everybody else in life, Yeah, zig, well everyone else's zacking smart. Well,

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Speaker 1: this we kind of just kind of covered like a

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Speaker 1: quick overview of all that you've done. But let's go

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Speaker 1: You've talked about basically your slacker days right right after

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Speaker 1: high school. Uh, it seemed like basically your rudderless Where

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed myself, I parted, had fun with my friends,

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Speaker 1: but I was pretty much going nowhere fast, and it

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Speaker 1: just wasn't, you know, school, And then the whole the

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Speaker 1: it that you decided to pursue that stuck finally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: read the book, you see I wasn't morally the greatest

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Speaker 1: it was really quick and nonchalant. I told him. I said,

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Speaker 1: you got a glass of water. It was very the script,

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Speaker 1: and he said, well, you like traveling, you like sports,

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Speaker 1: You had a sense of resolve for sure, you had

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Speaker 1: something to prove, basically is what it sounded like to

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Speaker 1: also you you mean you worked really hard. So like,

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Speaker 1: should we follow our passion, do you think, or should

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Speaker 1: Mic row on the guy from Dirty Jobs is down

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Speaker 1: what's your take on this, because it seems like passion

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Speaker 1: and nobody cares about what you're passionate about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: And I do think there's it's got to be a

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Speaker 1: And whenever I talk to people about that, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: my schedule and it's been that way for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have somebody to tell me where to go.

431
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Speaker 1: So I didn't like it. Everybody else loved it. I didn't.

432
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Speaker 1: So when we decided to now start our business, which

433
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,919
Speaker 1: came after a really tough situation, freelancing was kind of

434
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Speaker 1: easy to me because I kind of remembered it. My

435
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 1: wife wasn't as comfortable with it, so I kind of

436
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: knew how to grind and to get start getting clients.

437
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 1: So it wasn't that it was kind of old hat

438
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Speaker 1: for me to go back into it. I was excited

439
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Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, there was a specific annual review that

440
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Speaker 1: you've mentioned that you had at your work after winning

441
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Speaker 1: another big time award and kind of what how did

442
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Speaker 1: that annual review go down and what was you know,

443
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 1: what was your reaction to it. Yeah, it's one of

444
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 1: those the other those days that you never forget that

445
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: was that was one of them for me, and um, yeah,

446
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,480
Speaker 1: I just won International Sports Tigraph for the Year, which

447
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,280
Speaker 1: should be a big deal. Like I was flown to

448
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,439
Speaker 1: d C, the National Geographic for the awards ceremony, the

449
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 1: whole thing it was, it was it was a pretty

450
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Speaker 1: big deal. And then my annual review came and this

451
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: was a month before our first baby was going to

452
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Speaker 1: be born. So Andrew right now is fourteen. He was

453
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 1: a month from being born. And everybody said, oh, between

454
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Speaker 1: the award and your kid coming, that's when everybody they

455
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: give you the raise. And I'm making thirty two thousand

456
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Speaker 1: dollars a year, so any raise and they're talking about

457
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Speaker 1: ten percent, and I'm I'm drooling at the fact that

458
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Speaker 1: maybe making forty thousand dollars a year. And I walked

459
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Speaker 1: into the office and my boss, who was great, great guy,

460
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: helped us out a lot, but he's like, you know,

461
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: he read down all of my accomplishments for the year,

462
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Speaker 1: said how amazing I did, how much extra effort I

463
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Speaker 1: put in, And then he rubbed his eyes and he

464
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 1: was like, well, we can only give you three percent,

465
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Speaker 1: and I was I stitched at him, and he goes

466
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Speaker 1: and he said, well you should feel good. Most everybody

467
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: else is getting nothing. You know, you worked so hard,

468
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Speaker 1: you're getting three percent. And I didn't know what to say,

469
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at him and then I said,

470
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Speaker 1: you know, I was such a jerk. I was like,

471
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Speaker 1: I was like, well, three percent of your salary is something,

472
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: but three percent of nothing is still nothing. And he

473
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Speaker 1: didn't know what to say. And I remember saying to him,

474
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Speaker 1: no matter how hard I work, no matter how many

475
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Speaker 1: hours I put in, no matter how many awards I win,

476
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Speaker 1: and I just stopped myself and I didn't try anymore.

477
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Speaker 1: And I got up and I went to walk out,

478
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: remember standing in his door frame and being like, it's over.

479
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: Since at the career that I've been waiting for, I've been,

480
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: I've been. I had just photographed the President of United States.

481
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Speaker 1: I fotogot the Super Bowl two years earlier. It was

482
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Speaker 1: it was a pretty cool gig, even though I didn't

483
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Speaker 1: get paid very much money. But I knew it was

484
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Speaker 1: over because I have a baby coming and we want

485
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Speaker 1: to have more kids, and I knew that if I

486
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Speaker 1: accepted this. I looked out in the news room. I

487
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: noticed how just disappointed everybody wasn't how much they complained

488
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: about money and they couldn't do things, and it really

489
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: just hit me at that moment that I've got to

490
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Speaker 1: end this. And then I went home. I just left

491
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Speaker 1: the office and I called my dad to see if

492
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Speaker 1: I could work for him. He had his own business

493
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Speaker 1: and I used to work for him and he turned

494
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Speaker 1: me down. So if my dad's turning me down, now,

495
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: this is really bad. And he said something that changed

496
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Speaker 1: my life. He said, he goes, I've been telling you

497
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: this and you haven't listened. He goes, maybe you'll listen now.

498
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: And he said, but you have a skill, but you're

499
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Speaker 1: not using it correctly. And that changed my life. I

500
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean. I finally listened to him,

501
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: and he goes, you could do anything you want. You've

502
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: become a really good photographer. You could shoot weddings, you

503
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: could do commercial work, you could do professional sports. But

504
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: you're settling for thirty two thousand dollars a year and benefits.

505
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: And when you do your dad tell you that you're settling.

506
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: Usually it's the opposite. Usually your parents are telling you

507
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: to get something safe. He's telling me the opposite. He goes,

508
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: you're being too safe. So I called my wife I said,

509
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Speaker 1: we're starting a business, and she's like what, And so

510
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: I went in the phone book if you remember a

511
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: phone book, and I called all these different photographers to

512
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Speaker 1: assist with them, and they all told me no, and

513
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Speaker 1: I took the phone book. I threw it against the wall.

514
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Speaker 1: I remember it clearly, and said, if you can't beat

515
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Speaker 1: them joining, I said, well, if you can't join them,

516
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Speaker 1: we're gonna beat them. So we're starting business. And you know,

517
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Speaker 1: once you have that drive and that desire to do something,

518
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Speaker 1: it's hard to stop. And that's really how it all started.

519
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Speaker 1: In your book as well, Vincent, you make a really

520
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Speaker 1: good argument for why more folks should consider freelancing. So

521
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Speaker 1: can you share some of those reasons why self employment

522
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: could be a really smart move. There's so many. It's

523
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Speaker 1: first of all, I think everybody should be starting something.

524
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Speaker 1: I really believe that because when when we were leaving

525
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Speaker 1: the job and we're everybody knew where going. He saw

526
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: the business was taking off, and a coworker of mindset,

527
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 1: aren't you afraid of the instability? And I looked at

528
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: her and I said, we have twenty nine weddings book

529
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: for next year. We have a bunch of corporate shoots booked,

530
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: we can do a whole lot more, and if one

531
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Speaker 1: person fires me, that's like five percent of our income.

532
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: Maybe if one person fires you, and I pointed to

533
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Speaker 1: our boss, I said, you're out. I said you should

534
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: be more concerned about security. And I know she was

535
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: like she wasn't ready for that. Yeah, But you know

536
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: how many times I talked to people like they're fine,

537
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: they're fine. They don't really want to put the time

538
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: and effort into it, they don't really want to do

539
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: the sacrifice, and then they lose their job and they

540
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Speaker 1: come to what do I do. I said, you gotta

541
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Speaker 1: get a time machine and go back about a year

542
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: and I can help you. But right now you're gonna

543
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: either you're gonna get another job and it might be

544
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Speaker 1: a job that you don't want, or now you have

545
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: to start and you're a little bit too late. So

546
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: but you have to get going anyway. But I would

547
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: always always build it before you need it. And I

548
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: think that's the hardest thing for people to realize. I mean,

549
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: that's one of the best arguments for I mean, you

550
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: hear the saying as far as planning a tree twenty

551
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: years ago, right like that's the best time to have

552
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: planted a tree in your situation here. This is a

553
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: perfect example of that, getting that started and having that

554
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: to be able to fall back on as so clutch.

555
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: In your book as well, you mentioned how in about

556
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Speaker 1: ten years or even less than ten years, a lot

557
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: of folks are going to be self employed. Can you

558
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: share some more thoughts on that. Yeah, it's funny because

559
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: even when I it's almost turned out to be not

560
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: true in some ways. When I wrote that, you know,

561
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: the economy was a little bit it was only a

562
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. But the unemployment rates as low

563
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: as possible right now, right it's it's it's as low

564
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Speaker 1: as it's been. So that's kind of I think it's coming.

565
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: You're what I'm finding is so many more people want

566
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Speaker 1: to do that, even though they have jobs. I'm getting

567
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: so many people that come to me like, how do

568
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Speaker 1: I do the work that I wanted? Even even though

569
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: they have jobs, it's not the job that they want

570
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: to do. So I asked them, I say, like I

571
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: said to you earlier, is that if you if if

572
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Speaker 1: I paid all your bills for the year and I

573
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: gave you a hundred grand in cash, but you have

574
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: to work, you have to do something. What would you do?

575
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: And I can tell you nine out of a hundred

576
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Speaker 1: of them never say it's what they're doing right now.

577
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: Out it's something else that they want to be doing.

578
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: So I'm like, why aren't you starting to build that

579
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: right now? Why aren't you making connections? Why aren't you

580
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 1: laying the groundwork? And that's where it all starts. You've

581
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: got to determine what it is you want to do

582
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: and what it is that you can add value for

583
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: other people, and then you start building it from there.

584
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: So even me, every step of the way, I'm evaluating

585
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: when do I want to wind this part down or

586
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: optimize it, and what's the next thing I want to do.

587
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: So as I'm building my speaking career now that's my

588
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: beginning now, but I've got these other things financially to

589
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: support what we're doing, so I'm always thinking what is

590
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: the next thing that I want to grow? So if

591
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: I want to eliminate this other thing, I'm financially and

592
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: time wise ready to do it. So it just gives

593
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Speaker 1: if you just keep stepping up in terms of time

594
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: freedom each step. Yeah, I love how you said build

595
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: it before you need it like, that's such a good

596
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: way to think about it. So for folks they hear

597
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, they they you know, you got

598
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: out and started your own thing with this momentous annual

599
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: review that was just stupefying, and then you're like, you

600
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: know what I can do better than this, I go

601
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: out and start my own thing. Folks that are listening

602
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, cool. Vincent just said everyone should

603
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: be building it before they needed. Everyone should start their

604
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: own thing. What does that? What does that look like

605
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: for someone in a in a regular ninety five job, Like,

606
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: how do they start to think about starting their own thing? Yeah,

607
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna backtrack on what I said. I don't know

608
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: if everybody. Some people are just met, are born to

609
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: work for somebody else, okay, and they're gonna be what

610
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I would consider vulnerable. I don't think. I don't know

611
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: if entrepreneurships for I think anybody can do it. I

612
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: don't know if everybody should because I don't know if

613
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: that's what they want. But what I found a lot

614
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: of times is people say, oh, I'd really love to

615
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: do this thing, and what I talk about is building

616
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: a bridge. So essentially, like you live on the mainland,

617
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: and the island is where you want to live. It's

618
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: it's like the dream situation, and every so many people

619
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: try to go right to the island. I want to

620
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: start this type of business. You have no experience there,

621
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: you have no connections there. You're probably gonna sink on

622
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: your way there. What I teach to do is to

623
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: build a bridge. So the bridge often is something that

624
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: you know very well, something that you do well, but

625
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: you're not getting paid enough for it. A lot of

626
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: times I find it in consulting people do something like,

627
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: but can you do a similar thing on your own

628
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: where it's not for the company that you work for, like,

629
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I can't, or some skill that they already know.

630
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: Can you start making money in that way? Maybe it's

631
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: not your dream job, but for the next two or

632
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: three years, it's gonna give you the time and it's

633
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna give you more money. So that when you do,

634
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: when you are able to get out of a job

635
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: because you transferred that now with this thing making the money,

636
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: now you can really focus on what you want to do.

637
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: So you need a bridge to get you there. I

638
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: think so many people go right to the dream island

639
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: and then they sink, yeah, that's a good point. And

640
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: when you were starting this, to Vincent, you were taking

641
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: every dime that you were making from your side, hushold,

642
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: from starting your own photography business on the side, and

643
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: you're paying that all towards debts. So what you're doing, right,

644
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: you were securing your own ability to then uh as

645
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: you've got your finances in order to make this your

646
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: dream job and your full time thing sooner. That's exactly right.

647
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: And even the work that we did, my dream was

648
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: never to be a wedding photographer. That wasn't my dream.

649
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: I was not the Oh I can't wait to do it.

650
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: I knew I have a skill, my wife has a skill.

651
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: We make this amount of money doing this type of work.

652
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 1: We can transfer this skill into a different part of

653
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: this profession, make a whole lot more money and a

654
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: whole lot less time, and then you know, if we

655
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: love it, we love it. But then, so that was

656
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: our bridge. So we went from making thirty two grand

657
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: a year to eight thousand dollars a wedding eventually, right,

658
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: and that was fifteen years ago. Tend you whatever. So

659
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: that now instead of working twenty days a year, I'm

660
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: working thirty days a year, and I'm outsourcing work and

661
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: my wife's doing some of the work and we're making

662
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: more money. So if I loved it, if it was

663
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: my dream, I'd still be making six figures easily doing

664
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: that with very few days working. What happened with wedding photography.

665
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: It was our bridge to get us there. So once

666
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: the wedding photography had just blossomed, we had the money,

667
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: we had the time. Now I've got time to think.

668
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: That's where when you have, you know, two months off,

669
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I just write down ideas. That's where the idea from

670
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: the book came. So the book came from the time

671
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: freedom at the wedding photography gave us. And once the

672
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: book took off, and that led to the masterminds that

673
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: I run and the membership that I run and the

674
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: speaking all that type of stuff, then we were able

675
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: to slowly and actually quickly just leave the weddings behind

676
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: and now do this. So we didn't just start doing

677
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: this and the weddings too. It was just the transfer

678
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: of our skills. You have a skill, but you're not

679
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: using it correctly. Take your skills and use it correctly

680
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: to to do those things. Very cool and so vincent

681
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: to kind of piggyback off of your your bridge analogy.

682
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: So that's assuming that you know you want to get

683
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: to the island, right, Like, what are your thoughts as

684
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: far as building the bridge before you even know where

685
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: you want to go? Because I think a lot of

686
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: times folks might be on the mainland right and and

687
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: they just know that they don't necessarily want to be there.

688
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes you can start to hone those

689
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: skills and to do the legwork to start building that

690
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: bridge before you even know where you want to go?

691
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there? And this this is actually

692
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: and you do don't even know this. This is leading

693
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: into the book that I'm writing right now. Perfect segue

694
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: because what I learned the money was the one thing,

695
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: but the access was the other thing for me, the

696
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: network that we had built and this is what I

697
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: teach so much so many people on is building a

698
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: powerful network because when you can, so I would go

699
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: in this realm of it's about connections and about relationships.

700
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: And so many people sit in their cubicle or they

701
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: sit by themselves. They don't reach out, they don't connect,

702
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: they don't help other people. And then when they need something.

703
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: They go, I don't know if you guys have this.

704
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: You probably do with your podcast, but you never hear

705
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: from somebody for years and they go, hey, can you

706
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: do this for me? And I'm like, that sounds great,

707
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: but I haven't heard from you in years. But I

708
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: would get this with the photography world. I would shoot

709
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: all the Steeler games and I would never hear from

710
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: somebody like, hey, can I be your assistant Sunday for

711
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: the game against the Patriots? And I'm like, no, I

712
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: haven't talked to you. I have all these other people

713
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: that I'm in touch with. That's my network. They're the

714
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: ones that are gonna get it. And so many people.

715
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: The same thing with building before you need it, it's

716
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: the same thing with your network. You need to build

717
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: a network around you. That's where your opportunities come. Every

718
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: great thing that has happened in our career, for the

719
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: most part, is not just come from my hard work.

720
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: It's come from the people in my network that have

721
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: opened doors for me. And as that goes on, as

722
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: the book released and all these people endorsed the book

723
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: that came from the network, and then the people sharing

724
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: and the people that bring other people in the camp

725
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: comes from people within the network, and so many people

726
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: do not focus on building that out. So if you

727
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: focus on your network, if you focus on helping and

728
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: connecting people and doing that when the opportunities arise and

729
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: when you come up with the idea, you're gonna have

730
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: people behind you, supporting you and opening doors for you.

731
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: But most people walk out there cold with no network,

732
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: and they wonder why I don't get anywhere. So that's

733
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: that's a big part of what what I believe. Our

734
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: friend Jordan Harbingers calls it digging the well before you're thirsty,

735
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's been on the show talking about that before,

736
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and it's it's brilliant. You're right. I mean, you have

737
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: to have those connections. The financial security is one thing,

738
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: and then the relational Uh, that relational cloud that you

739
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: can build as you network amongst your peers is huge too,

740
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: especially if you're looking about like where you want to

741
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: build the bridge. We've talked a little bit about schooling

742
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: in your homeschool and your kids, you guys can travel

743
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: wherever you want. I'm interested to know how are you

744
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: with traditional schools. I Mean I saw a stat recently,

745
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: almost fifty of college graduates aren't working in a job

746
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: that requires a college degree, So how are you teaching

747
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: your kids about an entrepreneurial mindset, like as you're living

748
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: in Well, first of all, I'm kind of trying to

749
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: Brainwashington not go to college because I think a lot

750
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: of ways unless it's specific that you know what you're

751
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna do, I truly think it's a lot of ways

752
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: useless and can be a waste of time. And I

753
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: know people get mad at me for saying that, but

754
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: I just think we're teaching them to run their own businesses.

755
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Like when we were in Arizona for three months, they

756
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: started a weed pulling business. You know, the three of

757
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: them made in a Sunday afternoon walking on the neighborhood

758
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: pulling weeds. And I'm like, you can literally do this

759
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: and make more money than adults. I know if you

760
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: just did this, and and like I said to you guys,

761
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: I say to them, you don't have to do this forever.

762
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: But if you did this enough where you paid the

763
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: down payment on your house and you have a car

764
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: paid for when you got cash the bank, and you

765
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: don't want to do this, then you hire people to

766
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: do the work that you don't want to do and

767
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: do the stuff that you're really good at. I just

768
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: wish this was taught to me. So we're trying to

769
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: teach it to our kids. And so even just homeschooling,

770
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: I hate to say, it's just like to not have

771
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: them in the in the indoctrination of the school of

772
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: saying here, when the school bus shows up at you

773
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: get on, there's I'm not gonna give you a reason why.

774
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: You just need to do it. When you go to

775
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: a class, I don't care if you're working on a

776
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: brilliant piece of art. When the bell rings, you're gonna

777
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: need to stop doing it and go do something else

778
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: that you don't want to do, and then the bus

779
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: will take you home and then you do homework. Like

780
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: that's preparing people to be employees in my opinion, So

781
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: even just not doing that, they're not going to have

782
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: the mindset of like, oh, I gotta do work that

783
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I hate doing, just because like they have to work

784
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: hard and have to work hard here. We don't give

785
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: them money. They have to earn it, but I want

786
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: them to to seth God and said this to me.

787
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, you be homeschool what should

788
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: I be teaching my kids? What shouldn't I be teaching them?

789
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: And he said only two things, solve interesting problems and lead.

790
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: If they could do those two things, they're going to

791
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: be great. Everything else you can memorize, and that really

792
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: helps shape how we do this. Yeah, man, that that's

793
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: so true. I feel I have a very similar view

794
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: towards education, right, and not just K through twelve, but

795
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: even college and beyond that. Right. But like you said,

796
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: we're like, we're teaching our children to not really think

797
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: about what they're gonna do next. They're basically told what

798
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: to do next, and then they get to a certain point,

799
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: typically either at you know, graduating high school or graduating college,

800
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, do I do I get

801
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: a job or do I continue down the path where

802
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: people just tell me what to do? And we're not

803
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: raising our our children to to think creatively. And I

804
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more. Obviously, there are going to

805
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: be some instances where higher education is necessary, right, Like,

806
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a doctor, you gotta go to school. Yeah,

807
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: I want to go to college if you're gonna work

808
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: on right, Right, I like I'm talking to a couple

809
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: of anarchists right now. Man. It's so true though, because

810
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of entrepreneurs you do have

811
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: to kind of have a rebellious mindset a little bit

812
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: in order to push back against what it takes to

813
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: be a good employee. And you know, if you can

814
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: find ways to creatively teach your children that, man, I'm

815
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: all for that. And I'm looking forward to my oldest Vincent.

816
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: My oldest is only six, and so I'm looking forward

817
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: to as we kind of age up to be able

818
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: to incorporate some of those lessons into everyday living. Really,

819
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: I love it, and and what I had to learn

820
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: the hard way was the things that made me a

821
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: really great entrepreneur made me a terrible employee. And that

822
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: was really that was really interesting to learn. Like the

823
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: mindset that I brought I bring to our business. When

824
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I brought that to my boss, he got mad at

825
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: it because I was kind of either challenging him or

826
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: upsetting the apple cart and the stuff. That's what you're

827
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: supposed to do. As an entrepreneur. You have to think

828
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: differently and bring new products to market and and challenge

829
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: what's out there. Right, as an employee, you don't you're

830
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: not supposed to challenge, you're supposed to follow. And I

831
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends that run businesses and they're

832
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: frustrated because they have kids or young adults coming in

833
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: to work for them. They don't lead, and they need

834
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: people to leave them, like, well, what do you expect.

835
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: For sixteen years they've been told not to lead, and

836
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: now you're asking them to lead, and that's a real problem.

837
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take another quick break, and after

838
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about some of the specific tips

839
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: and just advice Vincent has if you are looking to

840
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: start your own business, if you're looking to be self employed.

841
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: We'll get to those right after the break. All right, Well,

842
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: back to the break, we're talking with Vincent Lasi and Vincent,

843
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: thanks again so much for joining us. Has already been

844
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: a great conversation, but we we've got to get to

845
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: some practical tips for folks who want to get started,

846
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: who want to start freelancing their way to freedom, they

847
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: want to start their own thing. So we talked about

848
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: how important self employment is when it comes to gaining

849
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: control of our money. Right that, in actuality, if if

850
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: we get fired by one person, we still have income

851
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: from a bunch of other people, which is great. What

852
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: are some of the other practical takeaways that you would

853
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: suggest for our listeners who are decided to start their

854
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: own sidehouse solar business. Yeah. I love to go to

855
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: case studies of certain examples. I don't want to give

856
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: a blanket statement because everybody's a little bit different in this.

857
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: One thing I want to bring up that nobody talks about,

858
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: or very few people talk about, and they don't talk

859
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: about in school is taxes. And I know it sounds

860
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: like a boring topic, but it's not because what I learned.

861
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys have read Rich Dad,

862
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Poor Dad, if you guys read that book, Okay, there

863
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: was a chapter in that book that changed my life

864
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: towards being an employee versus an entrepreneur. And it basically said,

865
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: when you're an employee, you make money, you're taxed on it,

866
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: and then you get the rest. And when you're an entrepreneur,

867
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: you make money, you spend it on any way that

868
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: sees fit in your business, including travel if it has

869
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: to do or personal development, and then you pay taxes

870
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: on the rest. And when I read that, I literally

871
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: hit my book against my head, and I was like,

872
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: that was I remember at that year two thous That's

873
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: different that I would have in my pocket if if

874
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: I would have been self employed as opposed to being

875
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: an employee. And so the tax advantages between health insurance

876
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: there are. The laws are written by business owners, and

877
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: I want people to understand that they're written to help

878
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: business owners, not to help employees. And I think people think,

879
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: because the school system pushes that way, that it's safer

880
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: to be an employee. But financially you will keep more

881
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: of your money being self employed than you will as

882
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: an employee. So that's just a little soap box. Soapbox

883
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: ran about that, well, I mean, coming up on tax season,

884
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: that's an important consideration for sure. I mean for somebody

885
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: who maybe they know that they want to start something,

886
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: but they kind of don't know in what direction they

887
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: want to go, what advice would you have for them?

888
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: What I love you know? And Seth go and talk

889
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: about this in his latest book, This is marketing is

890
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the smallest viable audience. I'm gonna piggyback off of that

891
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: because I think people think it needs to be huge.

892
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: It needs to be big. What you need to do

893
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: if you read Kevin Kelly's thousand True Fans. You need

894
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: to create raving fans, whether it's small or big. And

895
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: I think so many people think in terms of how

896
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: do I get it to replace my income, and I

897
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: think that's the wrong thing to think. I think when

898
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: you realize the tax advantages of self employment, you don't

899
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: need as much of you have a traditional job making

900
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars, you're being taxed on a lot of that.

901
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: If you get rid of a lot of those expenses

902
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: that you have that you think that you need. With that,

903
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: you don't need as much money as you believe. Often

904
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: you can live on a little bit less. And when

905
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: you can take something that you're good at and get

906
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: raving fans from it, even if it's a small amount.

907
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: And with us it's photography, we have a small group

908
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: of people. The thing that I want people to take

909
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: away from this is it's not I mean, social media

910
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: is great, I love it, but eight seven percent of

911
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: jobs come from referrals. And I think this is the

912
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: big takeaway from me. If you can create raving fans

913
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: on a small level, people that love what you do

914
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: and they spread the word about it, that's how business

915
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: is spread. It's not what's sold, but it's the truth

916
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: come from referrals. So we never really advertised. What we

917
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: said was we're going to do the best we can

918
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: for the smallest amount of people possible. We weren't trying

919
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: to satisfy everybody. We knew what our niche was in

920
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: terms of photography. We knew it was going to be

921
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: a photojournalistic style. That's what we just take what you

922
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: do best and do it for a small group of

923
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: people because those people raved about us. We had one

924
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: client in our first year that and we didn't know

925
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: anything about business. So this is where a lot of

926
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: people are at. But we did exactly what they were

927
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: hoping for. They told seven They told their friends everything

928
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 1: we were doing. We booked seven brides from that one

929
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: bride and we gave her a free album from it.

930
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: That literally jump started our entire photography business. So when

931
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: you get the right people that spread the word around

932
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: you on what you do, you can exponentially grow your

933
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: business just from that without anything else. That's a good point. Yeah,

934
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: and I love what you said that that one person, right,

935
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: that one gig could help spread the fire of of

936
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: helping you find other great gigs. What about folks Vincent

937
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: that have maybe like a fledgling side hustle right now,

938
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: They've got a business that they're doing on the side,

939
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: and they just they don't know how to get it

940
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: ramped up. They what what are the what are the

941
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: first steps to kind of growing that business that they've

942
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: started but maybe haven't put enough into yet. They got

943
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: to figure out they really want to be doing it

944
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: because there's other people that are doing it that I

945
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: will say this to that person, there is somebody that

946
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: is going to start that same business tomorrow that will

947
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: be making more money than them in a year because

948
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: somebody else has more energy to put towards it. So

949
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: whenever I hear that kind of situation, it generally is

950
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: they're not put I hate to say it, they're generally

951
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: not putting in the effort in the fire to make

952
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: it work. If you, if you, if you really, if

953
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: your kid's life depended on it, could you make this

954
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: business into a six figure business by next year? I

955
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: hope you're gonna say yes, You're gonna find out how

956
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: to do it. So that's where it comes from. How

957
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: much energy and attention are you gonna put into it?

958
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: Are you gonna. Are you gonna work on that business

959
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: when you get home or you're gonna scroll the internet?

960
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: Are you gonna make it? Are you gonna whatever business

961
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: it is? You know, say it's, you know, making wedding dresses.

962
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Are you going to connect with other people that make

963
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: those dresses or that are accept to make accessories to it?

964
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Are you going to go to those conferences? Are you gonna?

965
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Are you gonna connect them with somebody else that needs

966
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: what they do? You could do it with any business.

967
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: It's how energetic and how I guess you would say passionate.

968
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Are you about growing it? Because any somebody's gonna do it.

969
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: It's not the it's not the economy. Are you gonna

970
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: put in the work to do it? And that's gonna

971
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: piss some people off? I get it, that's fine, But

972
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: that's what I see. It's the effort that people put

973
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: in from the from the very beginning that you guys

974
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: asked me in terms of like what kind of energy

975
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: you put into it? That's where it comes from. Are

976
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: you willing to do the different things that your competitors

977
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: aren't doing to make it successful? Yeah? To make you

978
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: stand out for sure? Well, you know you're mentioning your children.

979
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: You've written also just how the time that you have

980
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: with them left while they still are living at home,

981
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: How that's so valuable to you. You mentioned your book,

982
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: how like you're not gonna forego building some legos or

983
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: you know, going out and playing some whiffleball. So what

984
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: if there's someone who is in a similar life stages

985
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: you and you know they have the same values, but

986
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: they haven't yet built that side business and they're not

987
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: in control of their money currently. Do you have any

988
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: advice for them? It's everything we've been talking about for

989
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: the last forty or five minutes. It's it's all that

990
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: stuff right there. It's like, I know, maybe they're starting

991
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: later than we did, but we were very fortunate to

992
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: be able to find that early on. But you still

993
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: have the time now to do it. And even if

994
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: they're out of the house now. We we we always

995
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: look ten years ahead, what do we want life to

996
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: look like? And then when we're broke. We said that,

997
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, Andrew was little and we were like, I

998
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: want freedom. That was the number one word. I want

999
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: to not worry about money, and I want to be

1000
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: able to travel with our kids. They're not gonna remember

1001
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: traveling when they're little, So I want when they're ten

1002
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: and twelve to be able to do this stuff. And

1003
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: right now we're looking at ten years from now, what

1004
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: do we want life to look like. Well, we're anticipating

1005
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: that each of them are going to live in a

1006
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: different part of the country. Now I don't want that

1007
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: to be, but they can one mite or a different

1008
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: part of the world. Right I don't want them all

1009
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: to say, well, we live here, so you better live

1010
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: here and we're gonna have family ten and like that

1011
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: if they want to go live and wherever. My job

1012
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: as a parent is to build a life that I

1013
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: can go visit them when I want. I can you

1014
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: know if they have kids that I make it so

1015
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: I go to them and I'm not putting their like

1016
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking what is life going to look like

1017
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: in ten years? And every day is working towards that life.

1018
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: And I'm never gonna get there because in ten years

1019
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: I'll there will be another ten years. Same thing for them.

1020
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: They could be starting out right now, how are they

1021
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: building the life that they want for the future. And

1022
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: I think when people get into short term desperation mode,

1023
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: like I need this now that's when they always struggling.

1024
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 1: That's when they're always struggling. Vincent man, this has been

1025
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: a great, wide ranging conversation and I feel like so

1026
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: much good information out there for our listeners. So thank

1027
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Uh and I wanna

1028
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: give you a chance of what where can our listeners

1029
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: find out more about you? Yeah, thank you for asking.

1030
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: Two things. My favorite thing right now in the world

1031
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: that I'm doing is I started a podcast as a

1032
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: daily podcast. It's five six minutes. There's you know, it's

1033
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: it's a very simple there's not even an intro. There's

1034
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: not an intro and outro. It's it's just quick. It's

1035
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: I do that every day. It's Total Life Freedom Podcast.

1036
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: And then also, if any of your listeners want to

1037
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: want the book, I recorded the audio book a freelance

1038
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: to Freedom. I give it away for free. So if

1039
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: anybody wants it Total Life Freedom dot com slash F

1040
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: two F book, they can download the book for free.

1041
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: And that's there's dude, that's awesome. All right, we'll definitely

1042
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: suppost a link to that in our show notes for sure.

1043
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: I know that there'll be a lot of people heading

1044
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: over there to check that out after they hear this interview. So, Vincent,

1045
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: thanks again so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

1046
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, I totally appreciate it. Yeah, thank you Vincent.

1047
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: All Right, Matt, that was a great conversation with Vincent.

1048
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, so much to talk about when we're talking

1049
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: about freelancing and freedom and like man, just how to

1050
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: get there. And so I think, yeah, Vincent had a

1051
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: great story, but also just some really good tips as

1052
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: well for folks who do want to start their own things.

1053
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: So I want to know from you, what's your big

1054
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: takeaway from our conversation with Vincent. Well, I've got two

1055
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: of them, and I've done this before, so I'm only

1056
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna say one of them and I'll let you then

1057
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: do yours. Still ahead, but just in case, take your time,

1058
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: don't it still hers. But one of the things you

1059
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: said is that when I have purpose, I don't mind

1060
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: the pain, And oh my god, dude, that is so

1061
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: true not only for me, but I think that's true

1062
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I think there are lots

1063
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: of areas in a life where we can see something

1064
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: that we know we want to achieve, right, whether it

1065
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: be a new position or whether it be something like

1066
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: working out, like I think about running and training for

1067
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: a race. You know what sucks, waking up really early

1068
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: and running in the cold. But when you know you're

1069
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: trying to achieve something, when you know you're trying to

1070
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, set a new personal record, and even when

1071
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: you're running, the pain doesn't matter it because you know

1072
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: you have a goal set before you. Makes me think

1073
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: of our last interview with five Am Joel and he's

1074
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: like his friend told him, you know what, waking up early,

1075
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really really hard, but it's gonna be

1076
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: one of the most gratifying things you've ever done. It's

1077
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: like no pain, no game. Well, if you've identified what

1078
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: it is that you're seeking after, right, and so this

1079
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: is something Vincent said, basically, find your purpose. Once you

1080
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: can find your purpose, and then everything else will fall

1081
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: into place, it'll be a lot easier. All right, number two,

1082
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: go for it. I'm gonna let you go to in row. Okay,

1083
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: back to back, Yeah, make it happen. Well, the other

1084
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: thing you mentioned too, is how if you're going to

1085
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: be a good entrepreneur, you're probably gonna be a not

1086
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: good employee, right and vice versa. If you're gonna be

1087
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: a great employee, it's probably you're probably not gonna make

1088
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: the best entrepreneur. And man, that completely struck a chord

1089
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: with me as well there, because I think back to

1090
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: when I took my first and only professional job post college.

1091
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: I'll say I was an okay employee, but only for

1092
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: a little bit six months into it. How was a

1093
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: bad employee because I was constantly asking questions when they

1094
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: were inefficiencies that didn't make sense to me. I had

1095
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: a tough time just obeying orders and doing what I

1096
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to do. And so it kind of explains

1097
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: why for over ten years now I've been self employed.

1098
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it takes someone who's a little bit

1099
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: rebellious at heart, unfortunately right, And for those who aren't

1100
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: necessarily rebellious or stubborn or hardheaded like I was, it

1101
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: sometimes can take a podcast or or reading a book

1102
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: that can kind of get you thinking in that direction.

1103
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: And so, Man, hopefully this interview, hopefully Vincent's book, all

1104
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: these things will cause a lot of folks out there

1105
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: to kind of start thinking down the path towards freelancing,

1106
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: to maybe consider starting their own business. Yeah, and I

1107
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: love being able to kind of straddle both worlds for

1108
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, that's kind of what we've been

1109
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: doing the podcast, and and that's what so many people

1110
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: can do. They can start something, they can give it

1111
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: a shot, you know, while they've got their day job.

1112
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: And you know, like Vincent and what he did, he

1113
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: funneled all that extra money towards his debt. It was

1114
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: his beautiful thing where where he's starting his side hustle,

1115
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: he's paying down debt, He's setting himself up so much

1116
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: more quickly as opposed to spending that extra income towards

1117
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: actually achieving this freedom and then this new career that

1118
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: he was setting out to do. Yeah, so true, man,

1119
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: And I think that's the position a lot of people

1120
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: are gonna be in, where they are straddling both while

1121
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: they are figuring things out, you know that while they're

1122
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: in the process of building that bridge to that island,

1123
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: and while they're getting their finances in order, because that

1124
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: is such a huge part of the equation, Like you

1125
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: have to be cutting back, you have to be better

1126
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: with your personal finances first off, in order to kind

1127
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: of have that margin to feel comfortable launching out there

1128
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: and starting your own thing. Absolutely dude, all right, So

1129
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: for you, what was your big takeaway? Man? It was

1130
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: kind of actually this small thing that Vincent mentioned and

1131
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: he talked about how this singular goal of paying off

1132
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: their debt and starting this business together, how it really

1133
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: actually brought he and his wife together. Oh yeah, I

1134
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting and I really true that

1135
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: sometimes if you continue going on in the status quo

1136
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: the way things are, well, nothing's gonna change with your money,

1137
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: nothing's gonna change with the way you relate to your

1138
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: significant other or your friends. And sometimes doing something hard,

1139
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: sometimes tackling something and moving really intentionally in a specific direction,

1140
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: can actually show that there's a lot of strength in

1141
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: some of those relationships of the people that you're closest to.

1142
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: And so I thought that was just fascinating that he

1143
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: said it was good for he and his wife to

1144
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: do these hard things together. And I feel like maybe

1145
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: sometimes my relationship with Emily, it's at its worst when

1146
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm at my laziest, when we're not being intentional about

1147
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: the way we're spending our time, when we're not trying

1148
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: to reclaim something together, And so yeah, it makes me

1149
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: want to be intentional about how we're talking about our money,

1150
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: How we're talking about our goals, how we're talking about

1151
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: the future together because it is good for our relationship.

1152
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: So I thought that was just kind of this interesting

1153
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: insight that Vincent brought during our conversation. Yeah. Man, it's

1154
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: fun to build something with with your best buddy. It's

1155
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: even more fun to do that with your spouse, no doubt.

1156
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: All right, man, what do you think of the beer

1157
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: we had on this episode too? Again, we had S'more's Yetti,

1158
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: which is an Imperial stout from Great Divide. Yeah. I

1159
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: really like this one, man. You know, just the other

1160
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: day I had a big limb follow in my backyard.

1161
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: I sought it up. I made a little outdoor fire,

1162
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: my whole fam and I we we roasted hot dogs

1163
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: and more little mountain man, I know, right, Yeah, So

1164
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun and but we made

1165
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: s'mores right, And it's got this the chocolate, the Graham cracker,

1166
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: the marshmallow. This beer totally reminds me of that night,

1167
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: that super fun night that we had as a family.

1168
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: It was a great beer. I'm never disappointed by any

1169
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: of the Yetti variants the Great Divide puts out, and

1170
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: this one was great. I think with the Mexican chocolate,

1171
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: Yettie I said, it reminded me of a camper. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1172
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and this time I actually did a campfire. So all right,

1173
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: this is the real small small beer, so I can

1174
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: make the analogy again. Yeah, all right, well yeah, so

1175
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: the chocolate that was there for me, and it even

1176
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: had some of the kind of warming spices a little

1177
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: bit you get at a sort of a more of

1178
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: a winter ale. I was totally picking up on some

1179
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: of those notes. Less on the sort of creamy marshmallowness

1180
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: to it, but the chocolate all the way, it kind

1181
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: of reminded me of a you who you know, like

1182
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: the kid's chocolate drink. Yeah, except for the adults beer variations.

1183
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: So I'm glad to be sharing this one with you, buddy, glad.

1184
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: We've had several beers here now from Great Divide, and

1185
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: thanks again to all of our friends over there at

1186
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: the brewery for sending these our way. Yeah. And so

1187
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: for folks who want more information about Vincent, want the

1188
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: link to get that e book, you can go to

1189
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: our website at how to money dot com and you'll

1190
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: see the show notes up for this episode. That's right,

1191
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,239
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1192
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,120
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1193
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,719
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1194
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,759
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1195
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1196
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,120
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1197
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this episode until next time.

1198
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