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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

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Speaker 2: Another rerun? Why are there so many reruns?

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Speaker 3: Well, I told you each one made sense for different reasons,

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Speaker 3: and this one is because Cool Zone Media takes off

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Speaker 3: for the holidays sometimes, And so we're going to run

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Speaker 3: a rerun about anti fascism and film. Why because I

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Speaker 3: like it and I want you to hear it again

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Speaker 3: or for the first time, but also because I think

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Speaker 3: it's really important that we understand about how culture can

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Speaker 3: shape things and also specifically how we can use culture

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Speaker 3: to resist. And also I just think it's cool that

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Speaker 3: all the original vampires are on our side. Anyway, I

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Speaker 3: hope you all are well, and here's an episode. Hello

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Speaker 3: and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and every week I talk about

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Speaker 3: rebels and revolutionaries and weirdos and I guess people who

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Speaker 3: passed the basic I'm a bumbar of not liking Nazis

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Speaker 3: and people I find interesting.

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Speaker 2: And with me today is Shrek. Shrek.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing? Oh? Oh, I was I was

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Speaker 4: gonna try to do a terrible Scottish accent and then

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Speaker 4: so I thought you were gonna do I don't know

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Speaker 4: what I was gonna say. It was gonna be bad,

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Speaker 4: so I decided against it. I'm great, Donkey's great, Fiona's grey.

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Speaker 4: We're just chilling in the swamp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I believe you. Most people might know you

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Speaker 2: by your previous name, which is I'm under the impression

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Speaker 2: not a dead name, but just not your current name,

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Speaker 2: which is Caitlin Derante.

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Speaker 4: Is that that's true. I go in and out of identities,

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Speaker 4: and all of those identities are fictional movie characters. So

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Speaker 4: right now I'm Shrek.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, and I'm the dictator of people's identities with me

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Speaker 2: today is Sophie. How are you, Sophie?

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Speaker 1: Ah? No, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I won't to do it again.

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Speaker 1: I want to, I really, I really want to rewatch

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Speaker 1: Shrek to see if it holds. Have we have we

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Speaker 1: done a Shrek on? Have we done any of the

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Speaker 1: Shreks on Bechdo cast?

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Speaker 4: We've done Shrek one and two, although I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you were present for either, but I don't think

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Speaker 4: I was one.

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Speaker 1: I would have had I would have been I would

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Speaker 1: have been annoying. But did they pass the Bechdel test?

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember listeners, you'll have to go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to the episode.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, there's no way you could just watch the

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Speaker 2: movies and find out if they passed the Bechdel test

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Speaker 2: that way.

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Speaker 1: I do really want to rewatch the movies because I

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Speaker 1: want to see if they hold up at all or

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Speaker 1: if they are an absolute nightmare.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can also listen to our episodes about them.

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Speaker 4: The Shrek one episode sucks because mostly my fault it was.

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Speaker 4: It was just like one of our earlier episodes. Within

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Speaker 4: the first like I don't know, a few months of

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Speaker 4: doing the show, and before we really to watch the wedding,

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Speaker 4: Jamie did watch this Wow called out.

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Speaker 2: Bernie has been dropping completely cold. Caitlin has a podcast

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Speaker 2: called Bechdel Cast where they could talk about movies, and

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Speaker 2: you should listen.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I agree you should listen, but

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Speaker 4: not to the Shrek one episode. The Shrek two episode, however,

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Speaker 4: is what we did to celebrate I think the podcast's

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Speaker 4: five year anniversary. It was some celebratory episode, and so

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Speaker 4: Jamie and I.

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Speaker 1: There's no better way than to, you know, celebrate with

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Speaker 1: some puss in boots.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, he and isn't we supposed to be

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Speaker 4: having a fiesta, as Puss in Boots says at the

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Speaker 4: end of Shrek two.

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Speaker 1: Caylin and I could do this banterer for probably several hours.

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Speaker 2: So Margaret, so no, no, no, please continue? Uh well

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Speaker 2: this will be a three part Okay, So Ian does

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Speaker 2: our audio editing, and our theme music was written for

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Speaker 2: us by unwoman. One person said, you keep saying your

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Speaker 2: check out her music much like the music that you

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Speaker 2: already listened to. Anyway. On Monday, we talked about German

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Speaker 2: expressionist horror who and the people who fought Nazis, And

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Speaker 2: today we're going to talk about Hollywood. It's a sleepy

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Speaker 4: Caitlin heard of it? I have?

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Speaker 2: I mean Shrek.

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Speaker 4: I have heard of Hollywood. I live adjacent to the

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Speaker 4: very very peripherally working in Hollywood. Oh okay, in that

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Speaker 4: I have a movie podcast that analyzes film, and therefore

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Speaker 4: I work in Hollywood. That's how that works, right, Does

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Speaker 4: that mean I temporarily work in Hollywood?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah for this?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Well did you know that there was a homegrown anti

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Speaker 2: Nazi league in Hollywood?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I knew about this.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that the anti Nazi league in

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Speaker 4: Was it called the Hollywood Anti Anti Nazi League?

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Speaker 2: Why did you read my script ahead of me? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Is that really correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the Hollywood Anti Nazi League.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I do still appreciate that, probably more than

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Speaker 2: anything else. The actual long term sponsor the show is

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Speaker 2: naming things. All of your groups have to have a

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Speaker 2: league in the name, because I think there was a

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Speaker 2: period between eighteen eighty and nineteen thirty where there was

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Speaker 4: So and we don't use league anymore.

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Speaker 4: It's all like people are like, I don't know, organization or.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever happened to a league?

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Speaker 2: I suspect, And I'm just gonna go ahead and claim

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties, with the fall of the cloak

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Speaker 2: think that the leagues and the cloaks were inexcricably tied together. Okay,

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Speaker 2: like a cloak pin holding the two concepts together. Wow

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Speaker 2: it makes me think. But so the Hollywood Anti Nazi

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Speaker 2: of a popular front against fascist influence in filmmaking. Practically

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Speaker 2: who's who of Hollywood, including communist, liberal and conservative members actually,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I looked more into him and he

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Speaker 2: if being in an anti Nazi league and I'm smeared as

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Speaker 2: a communist, then like fucking bring it on. Specifically, as

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Speaker 2: If this be communism, count me.

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Speaker 4: In pretty cool, John, Yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: Basically the whole pro Nazi press, because there's this whole

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Speaker 2: which is always funny because anti Semitism either accused the

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Speaker 2: doesn't even hit a cognitive dissonance in the anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: threo was a whole league dedicated to being mad at

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Speaker 2: like the Germans. Like in the nineteen thirties, if you

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Speaker 2: He gets wounded twice filming battles. He lands at D Day,

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Speaker 2: his name because Nazis have already worked hard enough figure

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Speaker 4: Because it's very just like it just makes it seem like,

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Speaker 4: without which any sort of like other objective. Yeah, which

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Speaker 4: which one have you put your weight behind? The Hollywood

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Speaker 4: same purpose?

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Speaker 2: Just which, right?

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Speaker 4: I mean? I've I feel based on the names alone,

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Speaker 4: I would say the first one because why you know,

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Speaker 4: I like transparency. Yeah, so the first one has a

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Speaker 4: way more transparent name.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I would have too, just and

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Speaker 2: also you get to be like part of Hollywood anti

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Speaker 2: Nazi news. Get all your anti Nazi news about Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: Yep, read all about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. They had two LA radio shows, they sponsored

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Speaker 2: fucked with visiting European Nazis, at least one of whom

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Speaker 2: Walt Disney, the piece of shit.

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Speaker 2: A little little mini reverse, a little bastard.

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Speaker 2: us money. With one exception, the Warner Brothers okay, the

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Speaker 4: Name, Jimmy, Jimmy Duranty, Oh, Durante, Yeah, which is also

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Speaker 2: Oh that actually makes sense. You took his name, he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, feminism, hello, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, starring the same actor who plays Shrek.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I actually have seen that movie. I okay,

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Speaker 4: It's almost as if capitalism really just warps your braininess

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you want your brain warped, you can

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Speaker 2: purchase goods and services from done. Yeah, thank you. I

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Now I understand you've been capitalismed. I got owned by

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Speaker 2: the Jewish head Adolf Zukor said, I don't think Hollywood

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Speaker 2: And when I say anti Semite, I'm not, once again

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's who was in charge. And then that's funny too, right,

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Speaker 2: regardless of the PCA, the Warner Brothers went ahead as

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's what's so interesting me is kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Confessions of a Nazi Spy was directed by a

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Speaker 4: and Nazism. That reminds me of the time when what

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00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: the fuck is that Loser's name D. W. Griffith, after

440
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: making Birth of a Nation, which was so racist that

441
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 4: at the time in nineteen fifteen, people were like, this

442
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: is really racist. So when something when people when like

443
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: critics and the general public in nineteen fifteen, thinks something

444
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 4: is really racist, you know, it was very, very racist. Yeah,

445
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 4: and he didn't like. Griffith didn't like how many people

446
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 4: were calling his movie racist and we're being quote unquote

447
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: intolerant towards his Yeah movie that he then made a

448
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: movie a couple of years later called Intolerance because he

449
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: didn't like that people were so intolerant of his work.

450
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

451
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: Those so, anyway, real Nazis were the anti Nazis all along.

452
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that this is a twentieth century relic.

453
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: That is not a pattern that we've ever seen again.

454
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: M Yeah, So the Warner Brothers they released Confessions of

455
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: a Nazi Spy. Anyway, When asked why they were doing it,

456
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Jack Warner said, the Silver Shirts and the Bundists, the

457
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: two American fascist organizations, and the rest of these hoods

458
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: are marching in Los Angeles right now. There are high

459
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: school kids with swastikas on their sleeves. A few crummy

460
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: blocks from our studio, Is that what you want in

461
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: exchange for some crummy film royalties from Germany?

462
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 4: And a good point.

463
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shout out for just using the word crummy

464
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: twice in a very intense yeah. And there was one

465
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: concession that they had to make in order to get

466
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: the PCA to release the film at all. They couldn't

467
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: outright talk about the fact that the Jews were the

468
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: people who are being fucked with the most by the Nazis.

469
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about in a moment the first film

470
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: that did center Jews in an anti Nazi film, but

471
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: Confessions of a Nazi Spy. They received more than one

472
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: hundred threatening letters and they have to hire extra security.

473
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: They didn't do any publicity for it. The cast and

474
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: cruise names were kept secret until like right before release,

475
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: and they were hard to recruit casting crew in the

476
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: first place. And it was like almost entirely made by

477
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: German refugees and like committed anti fascists from the US.

478
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: And this movie was controversial. And when I say controversial,

479
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to quote from an article by Stephen J. Ross.

480
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: Not everyone was enamored with the film. Nazi sympathizers in

481
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: Milwaukee burned down the local Warner Brothers theater shortly after

482
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: the movie opened. Angry citizens in other cities picketed theaters,

483
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: slashed seats, and threatened exhibitors. In Poland, anti Semitic audiences

484
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: hanged several theater owners in their movie houses for exhibiting

485
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: the films. Film Nazis burned the film everywhere they could

486
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: exert pressure. Wow, so people like literally died for showing

487
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 2: this anti fascist film, which is like the stakes that

488
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: I think sometimes gets forgotten about. You know, the film

489
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 2: was carried to its premiere in an armored car and

490
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: all the chicken shit celebrities didn't show up because not

491
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: many of them did, but many of the like A

492
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: list celebrities didn't show up because they were afraid of

493
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: being seen as quote political, and their like excuse that

494
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: they came up with MGM Studios through a birthday party

495
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: for someone that night, like a surprise birthday party, like

496
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 2: all of a sudden to give all their stars an

497
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: excuse to miss it. And there's some kind of like

498
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting parallels to me about this

499
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: as everything in the world compares to the Spanish Civil

500
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: War in my head, which is not true. But you

501
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: know whatever, my brain fixates on things. And the Americans

502
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: who fought against fascism in the Spanish Civil War were

503
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: called premature anti fascists and they were mistrusted and they

504
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: had had trouble, like they would like later go and

505
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: sign up for the army because being like, well, we

506
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: fought not fascist before and we want to fight him again.

507
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: And the army was like holding them at arm's length,

508
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: being like, we don't trust you because you're too anti fascist,

509
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: because you were prematurely anti fascist. And this happens to

510
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: the filmmakers and shit right, they're now under suspicion because

511
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: they were anti fascist before the US government was officially

512
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: anti fascist. And it was basically seen as as big

513
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: of a deal as the birth of the nation. But

514
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: from the opposite point of view. A Jewish film producer,

515
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: Lou Edelman wrote to his bossy last night the motion picture,

516
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: like the concept of the motion picture had a bar mitzvah.

517
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: It came of age. It said today I am a man,

518
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: so big fucking deal. I've never heard of it. I

519
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of want to go watch.

520
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: It now, right, yeah, yeah.

521
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea. It like holds up like as

522
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: like entertainment, but it was fucking important that they made it.

523
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious and like you said that the steaks

524
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: surrounding something like that, Yeah, we kind of we can

525
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: forget how hot like literally life and death steaks in

526
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: some cases. Yeah, yeah, or making something like that. Wow. Yeah,

527
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm going to go check it out. Yeah, if it's accessible,

528
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: even I wonder.

529
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. I like didn't specifically look

530
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: it up to be like it's It's kind of my

531
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: plan over the next couple of nights to watch some

532
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: of these movies that I didn't have a chance to

533
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: watch before I recorded to a podcast about them, because

534
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: that is the nature of podcasting. And now you all

535
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: know it's true. I do a lot of research.

536
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: I never watch any of the movies that I cover

537
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: on the beckdal Gast. That's not true. I watched them twice,

538
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: sometimes three times.

539
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: No, I thought, you just read the Wikipedia entry out Yeah, exactly. Okay,

540
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: let's go back to the Anti Nazi League, and there's

541
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: a big Popular Front group made up of all the

542
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: various people opposed to fascism. But they had another there's

543
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: another comparison I can make against with the Popular Front

544
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: of Spain because the people fighting the Popular Front fighting

545
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: fascism in Spain had a problem, and that problem was Stalin,

546
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: because Stalin, you know, went around and like started shooting

547
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: everyone else who didn't agree with him in the middle

548
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: of the war and caused all this terrible shit. The

549
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Hollywood Popular Front also had a problem. You want to

550
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: guess what that problem was.

551
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: I would guess that. I mean, what problems don't they have.

552
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: I mean, it's probably having something to do with capitalism

553
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 4: and or they I don't know, the studio system, something

554
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: something you tell me.

555
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: Nope, okay, yeah, it kind of was a kind of

556
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: a terrible riddle that I'm like, it was Stalin. Their

557
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: problem was Stalin.

558
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I get it.

559
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the parallels okay, because Okay. So the group

560
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: was made up of a wide variety of anti fascists,

561
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: including even conservative members, and its political aims were purely

562
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: anti Nazi, but it was controlled from behind the scenes

563
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: by the Communist Party through the Communist Party of America

564
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: and the American League for Peace and Democracy, which was

565
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: controlled by the Soviet Union, which had the goal of

566
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: getting the US into a defensive alliance with the USSR

567
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: in case of Nazi aggression. So the Hollywood Anti Nazi

568
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: League was created in that context in which the USSR

569
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: wanted Americans to be anti Nazi. But have you ever

570
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: heard of them? I keep asking I need to stop

571
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: asking you questions. Have you ever heard of it? I

572
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: don't like putting you on the spot like that.

573
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: I'm just going to tell you about it, like okay,

574
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: because if I have heard of it, I get to

575
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: feel so freaking cool. Okay, and be like, yeah, I've

576
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: heard of it and I've seen it. Yeah, try me.

577
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: And then if I haven't, then I exposed myself as

578
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: once again a fraud. But I'm willing to take that risk.

579
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: Okay. Have you ever heard of the Molotov Ribbon trop Pact?

580
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: No, it's okay. And then I burst into tears.

581
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, actually is literally crying. Shrek right now on

582
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: camera is crying. So on August twenty third, nineteen thirty nine,

583
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: it's the eve of World War two and the USSR

584
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: decides to be buds with Hitler, so they sign a

585
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: treaty called the Molotov Ribbon trp Packed with Hitler. And

586
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: it's two things first, and this part's public at the time.

587
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: It's a non aggression pact. Second, and this part's the

588
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: secret part of it, the secret protocol that we find

589
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: out decades later. It carved up chunks of Eastern Europe

590
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: and the Baltic states in Finland and said, okay, we

591
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: can invade this, you can invade that. They just like

592
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: split up the spoils of war with Nazi Germany. And

593
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 2: the most dramatic effects of this, of course, is that

594
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Germany and the USSR both invaded Poland. And then they

595
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: held like common parades where the Red Army and the

596
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: weimarcht or whatever would like march around together and be like,

597
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: we are friends. You know, people don't like talking about

598
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: this as much. And then the USSR conquered finn tried

599
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: to conquer Finland, which gets called the Winter War, and

600
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: the Finns put up a surprising resistance and the USSR

601
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: seals about nine percent of the country instead of all

602
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: of the country. And you know how the USSR. The

603
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: the way that they got the USSR got that packed

604
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: with Hitler is Stalin gave an order to quote purge

605
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: the Foreign Ministry.

606
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: Of Jews.

607
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: In order to be friends with the Nazis. USSR Nazi

608
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: relations only fell apart when the two countries couldn't agree

609
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: about how to split the spoils of war. Basically, they

610
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: were in talks with I didn't know this shit until

611
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: fucking way recently, like five years ago or something, and

612
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: I've been politically engaged for a long time. They were

613
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 2: in talks with the USSR to formally join the Axis

614
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: Powers until eventually, at some point Hitler was like, Nah,

615
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: we're just going to invade the USSR and take it all.

616
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: But the USSR tried to join Hitler basicallyops, yeah, exactly.

617
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: Doesn't look great in retrospect. The biggest deal, of course,

618
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: was how the USSR invaded a bunch of places and

619
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: then sent millions of tons of food to Hitler, because

620
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: there was the Western Powers had a blockade on Germany,

621
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, and so they would like send shit all

622
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: the way from the eastern part of Russia. But there's

623
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: another thing that mattered at all of this too. All

624
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: the communist parties in the West were forced to become

625
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: anti anti fascist because now anti fascism so so communists

626
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: in Parliament in France, like a few weeks earlier, had

627
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: voted unanimously for war against Germany, but then they were

628
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: like suddenly against the war and called it imperialist. It

629
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: would be imperialist for France to attack Nazi Germany, m

630
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 2: because the Soviet Union was suddenly friends. Yeah, I guess

631
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: there's always a bit of bastards in every episode about

632
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: good people. And all the anti fascist organizations that were

633
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: just communist front groups got dissolved, or sometimes they did

634
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: worse than dissolve. The Hollywood Anti Nazi League didn't just dissolve,

635
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: It joined the American Peace Mobilization, an organization dedicated to

636
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: keeping the US from helping written in France, and they're

637
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: fight against the fucking Nazis.

638
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: Okay, And how does one thing become the other?

639
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: So I think I think what happened was all of

640
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: the like regular anti fascists get out of the group,

641
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: right because the group dissolves officially and becomes this other group.

642
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: And then all of the people who were there because

643
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: they were like communists loyal to the USSR stay and

644
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: become anti anti fascists, got it, and they start fighting

645
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: against military recruitment until of course the Nazis invade the USSR,

646
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: and then they became the American People's Mobilization, and then

647
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: they tried to get the US into the war, and

648
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: then after the war, during the Cold War, they decide

649
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: now they're pacifists and they become the National Committee to

650
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: win the peace. Mm hmm, which is I guess like

651
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: my takeaway from this is it's cool to be a

652
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: coalition with other anti fascists, but maybe don't trust the

653
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: people who are only into it for some weird, other

654
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: shady reason.

655
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why again, transparency is nice. You gotta

656
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 4: have these conversations, right, similar to the conversation that what

657
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: was his name Fritz Lang should have had with about

658
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: how she was a Nazi. You know, maybe be like, hey,

659
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: why are you in this group? Totally and you pick

660
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: out your friends based on that.

661
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Are you trying to say that Fritz Lang could have

662
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: become a stand up comedian with my wife jokes?

663
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: Yes, he'd be like, get a load of my wife.

664
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 4: He's a Nazi and that's and that's a perfect joke

665
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 4: that I just wrote. Believe it or not.

666
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's part of Shrek for whatever whatever your

667
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: next movie is after Shrek. I don't know how many

668
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: Shreks there are.

669
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: There's I've starred in four Shreks. Okay, this is material

670
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 4: for this is Shrek five exactly. Okay, hence forth coming

671
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: what my brain. It's not the best today.

672
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I will say that the liberalish, the not

673
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: actual anti Nazis in Hollywood, they did come together in

674
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: a not controlled by Stalin way, and they pushed for

675
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: progressive themes in film during the war and after the war,

676
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 2: and most famous among these is the progressive Orson Welles.

677
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: But we've got to talk more about the lead up

678
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: to the war. Megan Feenie, in an article for the

679
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: site Movie, described Hollywood once the US was involved in

680
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: the war, and said the war represented a pivotal moment

681
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: in Hollywood history, one in which the US film industry

682
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: came to take itself seriously as a significant socio political force.

683
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: Hollywood's left liberal filmmakers ascended during the war, and in

684
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: close collaboration with the Roosevelt administration, used fascism as a

685
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: foil to redefine the so called American War on their

686
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: own terms, emphasizing popular democracy. Civil liberties were just tolerance,

687
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: ethnic pluralism, and liberal internationalism. And so the anti war

688
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: movies that were happening during the war weren't just we

689
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: hate the Nazis from like kind of a right wing

690
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: point of view. They were being made by the people

691
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: who are like mostly being made by the people who

692
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: are the most versed in being actually anti Nazi, being leftists,

693
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: you know. And this is in contrast to how later

694
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: during the Cold War, starting the late forties, conservatives take

695
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: control of Hollywood and bring Hollywood back to it's like

696
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: so called a political past of being conservative, and you

697
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 2: get the Red Scare, you get the Hollywood Blacklist. And

698
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: at this point, at that point, the like leftists in

699
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: Hollywood or even just the like anti censorship people in

700
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,479
Speaker 2: Hollywood kind of pivot to just being First Amendment groups.

701
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: Instead of being like fighting for liberal ideas in Hollywood,

702
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: they're literally fighting for like, please just let us have

703
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: fucking free speech.

704
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: What the fuck right?

705
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, one of our previous heroes, the Warner brother,

706
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: Jack Warner, testified to the House of on American Activities

707
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: and fired the co writer of Confessions of a Nazi

708
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Spy because that guy might have been like secretly communist

709
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck. But back to the golden age

710
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: of anti fascist filmmaking also known as World War Two,

711
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: I love accidentally saying positive things about one of the

712
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: worst things. Okay, anyway, it's this anti fascist era that

713
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: gives us the Nazis the ultimate villain, and it also

714
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: gives us the unfortunate like good war narrative and the

715
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: idea that like America is the savior of humanity. And

716
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: then I found it even more disturbing shit that even

717
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: the lefties and liberals were doing at this time, or

718
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: at least some of them were. So you know how

719
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: like Nazis are like the ultimate villain right in Hollywood,

720
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: they didn't start out that way because of racism. More

721
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: films with Nazis, like films with Nazis started off before

722
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: the war like really got in, were like usually Nazis

723
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: could be like redeemed right and like a lot of

724
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: like Nazi collaborators like come around to see the light.

725
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: The Japanese, however, were presented as monsters, and the Japanese

726
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: were to be fought in a similar way to other

727
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: like classic monsters of the screen, the indigenous people of

728
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 2: North America, who the US is, you know, continuing its

729
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: war of genocide and expansion against So basically everyone can

730
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: twist anti fascism into obnoxious propagandistic ends to do really

731
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: bad things. That's my that's actually turned into more of

732
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: a bastard's episode than I thought. Okay, actually that we're

733
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: about to get into the most complicated of them all.

734
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm ready okay.

735
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: And the lead up to this anti fascist film era,

736
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: you get the Warner Brothers being pretty consistently cool, and

737
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: a few more people start coming on board. You've got

738
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: a producer, Walter Wanger, who puts Henry Fonda in a

739
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: Spanish Civil war movie in nineteen thirty eight called Blockade,

740
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: and gets Alfred Hitchcock to make an anti fascist film

741
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty called Foreign Correspondent. Hitchcock made more movies

742
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: during the war. And then you get Charlie fucking.

743
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: Chaplin, oh the Great Dictator.

744
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Charlie Chaplin. He gets both Charlie fucking Chaplin

745
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: as in like hell yeah because of some of the

746
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: interesting shit he did, and he gets Charlie fucking Chaplin

747
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: because what the fuck is wrong with this guy? What

748
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: the fuck is wrong with this guy?

749
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: He did some bad things.

750
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: He did do some bad things. We're gonna talk about

751
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: some of them, and if you know more of them, please.

752
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: Charlie Chaplin is maybe the most dramatic rags to riches

753
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: entertainment story in history, not just filmmaking, just fucking all over.

754
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: He was born four days before Hitler. A lot of

755
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: people like make weird comparisons about the fact that he's

756
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: like just like Hitler because he was the same age

757
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: and also had a toothbrush mustache. He was born in

758
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: April sixteenth, eighteen eighty nine. He grew up dirt fucking

759
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: poor in South London to a probably Roma family in

760
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: a community of like sex workers and buskers and like

761
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: just like down and out folks coming up with the

762
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: creative means by which to survive. He might have been

763
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: born in Evardo the wagons that Roma folks would have,

764
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: and he grew up more or less orphaned. And he's

765
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: not even fucking seven years old when he's like clog

766
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: dancing on the streets outside bars for money. And you

767
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: know what he could have done with that money, Caitlin Durante.

768
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can imagine a few things. But why don't

769
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 4: you just let you out?

770
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he could have purchased products and services.

771
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: Oh I see what you were doing.

772
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, sorry, yeah, products and services much

773
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: like those that support the show the concept of potatoes

774
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: are perennial sponsor. Everyone should well know some people should

775
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: eat potatoes and some people shouldn't, but people should do

776
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: whatever they want. Food. Food is good. Okay, here's some ads,

777
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: and we are back and we're talking abot Charlie fucking chaplain. Yeah,

778
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: he's clogged dancing on the streets for money. He gets

779
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: discovered and on the streets he gets given a job

780
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: with a theater troop. At age seven, he learns physical comedy.

781
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: He moves to America to make films in the nineteen tens,

782
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: and by age twenty six, he's maybe the most famous

783
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: man in the world. People refer to it as like

784
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: the world was suffering from chaplain itis. He's like the

785
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: symbol of popular culture. And there's two stories to tell

786
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: about chaplain because and they're fucking messy to resolve with

787
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: each other. And I think that learning how to not

788
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: necessarily resolve with these with each other, but understand them both,

789
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: I think is like crucial. Sure, I'm gonna start with

790
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: the bad story, because before I say cool shit about

791
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: a guy, I want to say he sucks. He's a

792
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: fucking monster. He is an early example of why Hollywood

793
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: is a misogynist cesspool run by fucking predators. Yeah, he

794
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: bragged to have slept with two thousand women in his lifetime.

795
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: He never trusted women. He constantly married children. He always

796
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: waited until they were sixteen to marry them. His first wife,

797
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: Mildred Harris, was sixteen when they got married. The story

798
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: is that she feigned pregnancy to get married, but I

799
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: don't know. That's his story, and I don't fucking trust

800
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 2: anything he has to say. And once they got married,

801
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: she wound up institutionalized for weeks, and when she divorced him,

802
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: she cited cruelty as the reason for the divorce. He

803
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: was a literal groomer. His second wife, Lyda Gray, was

804
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: twelve when they met. At sixteen, he started assaulting her,

805
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: then married her while she was pregnant to avoid statutory

806
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: rape charges. He tried to pressure her into an abortion

807
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: and he also and she said no to that. And

808
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: then so he tried to pick a random man her

809
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: age to marry her to take the and then take

810
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: care of the kid, and offered, like the man like

811
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars to do this, Oh my god,

812
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: but she turned that down as well. So he married

813
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: her and a little horror and told her to kill

814
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: herself because Charlie Chaplin is the fucking worst. She was

815
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: around nineteen when he divorced her. His next wife was

816
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old who he claims told him that

817
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: she was twenty two. His final wife was thirty six

818
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: years younger than him. He was fifty four, she was eighteen.

819
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: She was terrified of him and regularly locked herself in

820
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: her room to get away from him. He had tons

821
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: of children. He was constantly cruel to all of them.

822
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: He got sued over parentage, lost that suit in nineteen

823
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: twenty six. He described his ideal woman as I am

824
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: not exactly in love with her, but she is entirely

825
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: in love with me.

826
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so he's a narcissist. Yeah on top of

827
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: all that, Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, fuck that guy.

828
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah that was what I knew about. I didn't even

829
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: know most of those details. I just knew that he

830
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 4: was a sexual predator, child rapist.

831
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, he is absolutely those things. Well, fortunately now

832
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: he's just dead.

833
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I had a high school teacher who was obsessed with him,

834
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: and like, we had to watch so many of the

835
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: films and I was just like, just like, without knowing

836
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: any of this, it's just like the the unbelievable amount

837
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: of red flags you see even in his work, you

838
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

839
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I've like the way that it's been a

840
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: long time since I watched Chaplin films. I used to

841
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: watch them a lot when I was younger. Yeah, no,

842
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: it's it's.

843
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: Now.

844
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: I am going to tell you about anti fascism in film.

845
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Please please tell us Magpie were yay?

846
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: Okay? So the other story about Charlie Chaplin is it

847
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: a story about an anti fascist filmmaker who risks his

848
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: entire career, who tanks his entire career to try and

849
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: stop the Nazis. In this story, it is his unshakable

850
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: self confidence that one might call narcissism, that allowed him

851
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: to survive on the streets of Victoria in London as

852
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: a fucking like seven year old orphan. You know. It

853
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: offered him the self confident and he offered that self

854
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: confidence to his viewers and to the world. He described

855
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: how he survived in his youth by the exubriance that

856
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: comes from utter confidence in yourself. Without it, you go

857
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: down and defeat. And his main character the Little Tramp.

858
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: No matter what happens, he picks himself up and he

859
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: trots off jauntily into the sunset. It's also the story

860
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: of a person with an unshakable political moral compass with

861
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: the largest blind spot the world has ever seen, an

862
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: unshakable moral compass when it's applied on a geopolitical level

863
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: instead of an interpersonal level. In the nineteen thirties, he

864
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: did radio broadcast supporting the New Deal and his first talkie,

865
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: his first non silent movie. He was like one of

866
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: the last people to want to switch over to talkies

867
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: was The Great Dictator in nineteen forty. It came out

868
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 2: before the US entered the war. His Little Tramp character

869
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: is modified slightly into a Jewish barber, and he also

870
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: plays a like really obvious Hitler clone. And it's the

871
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: first and this is the first time that a Hollywood

872
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: film acknowledges that the Nazis were specifically after the Jews.

873
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting to me that also the

874
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: fact that he was roma like this is something that

875
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: affects him right right, and it brings us one of

876
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: the greatest moments in political Hollywood history. At the end

877
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: of the film, the Jewish barber is mistaken for the dictator,

878
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: and he goes up and he gives a speech, and

879
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: the film gets rid of the fourth wall, much as

880
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: Brecked and all the other people would have liked right

881
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: and specifically as a way to counter propaganda, look directly

882
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: at the camera and talk, which is interesting because I

883
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: feel like, now if you did that, it would kind

884
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: of read as propagandistic, and like this speech that he

885
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: gives is kind of propagandistic, but by breaking the fourth

886
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: wall it ties into this art movement at the time

887
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: of using that to get people to question shit. So

888
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: the Jewish barber goes up, pretending to be the dictator,

889
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: and he gives a speech about how we should destroy

890
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: national borders, how we should never listen to despots, how

891
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: soldiers should fight for democracy and against dictatorship, and I'm

892
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to read part of it. I don't want

893
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help

894
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: everyone if possible, jew, gentile, black man, white. We all

895
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: want to help one another. Human beings are like that.

896
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: We want to live by each other's happiness, not for

897
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: each by each other's misery. We don't want to hate

898
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: and despise one another. In this world, there is room

899
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: for everyone, and the good Earth is rich and can

900
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: provide for everyone. The way of life can be free

901
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: and beautiful. But we have lost the way. Greed has

902
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has

903
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: goose stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed,

904
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery gives abundance. That

905
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has

906
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: made us cynical, our cleverness hard and unkind. We think

907
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we

908
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: need humanity more than cleverness. We need kindness and gentleness.

909
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will

910
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: be lost. And he just goes on in this like

911
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: complete not what people are fucking doing in movies at

912
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: the time, And he spent two years making The Great Dictator,

913
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 2: and all the while the English and American censors because

914
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: England isn't at war at the start. England isn't at

915
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: war with Nazi Germany either, and they're like, don't fucking

916
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: make this movie. We're at peace with Hitler. You can't

917
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: make fun of Hitler. And he basically is like, all right, well,

918
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to hire all the movie halls myself. I'm

919
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: the most famous man in the world, and I'm going

920
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: to fucking make this anti Nazi film mm hm, because

921
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: I fucking hate Hitler. And before he finishes it, war

922
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: was on and France was conquered and England was at

923
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 2: war with Germany and the US hadn't entered the war yet.

924
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 2: It winds up his highest grossing film up to that date,

925
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: but it's controversial. A lot of the critics of the

926
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: last speech was just him declaring communism, which is funny

927
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: because it's a speech about democracy, like literally uses the

928
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: word democracy over and over again. And the press starts

929
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: to hate him at this point, and he literally tanks

930
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: his career with this. All of his films afterwards play

931
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: to his existing fan base but fail to attract new

932
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 2: audiences because the press spends the rest of his life

933
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: attacking him. Sometimes the press gets it right and they

934
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 2: attack him for being a fucking child, raping piece of shit,

935
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: fucking absolute monster.

936
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you will.

937
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: Be surprised to know that mostly they spend all of

938
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: their time calling him a communist, which he wasn't. But

939
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: even if he was, you know, right, and his films

940
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: start being picketed after The Great Dictator, and some other

941
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 2: filmmakers love the speech. At least one director puts the

942
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: whole text into like his Christmas card that year, which

943
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: is like the most like lefty Hollywood thing I can

944
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: imagine someone doing. He reads it to about sixty million

945
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: people on the radio. But while he's reading it, he's

946
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: in a hall and Nazis, American Nazis in the audience

947
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: are like jeering him and coughing really loudly and trying

948
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: to disrupt the whole thing. And he also in his autobiography,

949
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: he wrote about the film quote, had I known the

950
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: actual horrors of the German concentration camps, I could not

951
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: have made The Great Dictator. I could not have made

952
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: fun of the homicidal insanity of the Nazis. However, I

953
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: was determined to ridicule their mystic bilge about a pure

954
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: blooded race. And uh, it seems like you you can

955
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: react as this like tension or weirdness, like.

956
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 4: I'm just over here processing. I'm like still no, keep

957
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 4: going and I'm still collecting my thoughts.

958
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: Okay, he doesn't stop his anti Nazi stuff with just

959
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: making a film, he fucks up his whole career by

960
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: going out on a limb over politics. Time and time again.

961
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 2: He gives speeches about how America needs to help England

962
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: open up a second front against the war while the

963
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: Nazis were busy fighting the USSR. He talked with Roosevelt

964
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: and with previous presidents, anyone who would listen about why

965
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: the US needed to join the war themselves with England

966
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: and Russia. And he makes no bones about being like, yes,

967
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: and Russia. I don't care that they're communists, right, I

968
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 2: hate Nazis. In the middle of his autobiography, while talking

969
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: about the speeches he was giving he like and all

970
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: the flaks he got, he stops and then spends like

971
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: a paragraph talking about the tits of some lady that

972
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: he saw. Because he's a piece of shit, there's no other.

973
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: He gets labeled a communist, which he denies his entire

974
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: life because he wasn't a communist. He called himself two

975
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: things instead. This part makes me sad. He called himself

976
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: a peacemonger, and he called himself an anarchist, and I

977
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: don't want him. In nineteen fifty seven, he put out

978
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: a king in New York and he's playing a king

979
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: and his own ten year old son plays a kid

980
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: who choose him out about how evil giant corporations are

981
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: and how national borders is like shitty and the whole

982
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: thing is this anti McCarthy film. And the same year

983
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: he says he's an anarchist, he says, as for politics,

984
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 2: an anarchist, I hate governments and rules and fetters. Can't

985
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: stand caged animals. People must be free, except obviously not

986
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: except teenage.

987
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 4: The woman he was yeah married too, Yeah, the girl,

988
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 4: the little girls who was married too.

989
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: Who were hiding in their rooms from yeah.

990
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

991
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: So he wasn't American born. And one time in nineteen

992
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: fifty two, while he was out of the country, the

993
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: US sort of doesn't invite him back because he's a

994
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: filthy communist. They revoke his re entry permit and he

995
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: moves to Switzerland. Not you came here and sexually assaulted

996
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: uncountable numbers of people, but you are a communist even

997
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: though you're not. And this should be a story about

998
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: a Roma born anarchist filmmaker makes himself into the greatest

999
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: star in the world, gambles at all to pressure the

1000
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: US government publican too go into war against the Nazi empire,

1001
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: and instead it's a story about a gross fucking man

1002
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: who ripped teenagers who went to parties, and his way

1003
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: of entertaining people at parties was to mimic a woman

1004
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: having an orgasm. So fuck you, Charlie Chaplin for fucking

1005
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: all that up. When Chaplain died, some grave robbers still

1006
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: his body and they held it for ransom. They called

1007
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: up one of his ex wives and was like, we've

1008
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: got Chaplain. She says, so what and hangs up the phone.

1009
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 4: There should be a whole episode of your podcast on

1010
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: just that, and even.

1011
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so what click click I love that I see.

1012
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: And Marlon Brando described Charlie Chaplin as the most sadistic

1013
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: man I have ever met. All right, Brando, All right, Brando,

1014
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: And this is this is not how I usually end

1015
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: an episode, But that's what I've got about anti fasion

1016
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 2: and leftism that flows through filmmaking. So what we've learned

1017
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: here today is that Shrek uh, not the ogre with

1018
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: the donkey friend, but Max Shrek, as far as we know, Yeah,

1019
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't a real life monster slash predatory vampire literally

1020
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: like but yeah, there's I mean, I'm glad there were

1021
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: people I never quite understand. I don't know, I've complicated

1022
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: feelings about this because on one hand, Hollywood and many,

1023
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 2: many of not most film industries around the world are

1024
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all for sure capitalists, and they are

1025
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, priority number one is to make entertainment, is

1026
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, to entertain and some of that. But but

1027
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people conflate that entertainment has

1028
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: to be completely escapist and cannot also be informative or

1029
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: you know, getting behind a particular movement or like political

1030
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: ideology or like, I don't know, the people who are like, no,

1031
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: entertainment should just be strictly entertainment all the time, one

1032
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: hundred percent and not anything that has any sort of

1033
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: like political message, I don't trust those people. Yeah, because

1034
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: while a lot of the entertainment I like is very

1035
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: strictly you know, like silly, mindless, escapist media, a lot

1036
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: of it is also very political or like, you know,

1037
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: has some kind of message that could be perceived as political.

1038
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: So anyone who's like entertainment should never be political, I

1039
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: don't Again, I don't, I just don't agree. So for

1040
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: the people who are willing to with their platform and

1041
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: with their art form and entertainment also push a political agenda,

1042
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: especially if that political agenda is anti fascist. That's rock

1043
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: and roll. So good for them, and fuck Charlie Chaplin and.

1044
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 4: My tirade.

1045
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Caitlyn, do you have anything you would like

1046
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: to plug.

1047
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: Give?

1048
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: Hey?

1049
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 4: Speaking of anti fascist media, the Bechdel cast is anti.

1050
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: Fascist coming out with a bold stand.

1051
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah right, and uh, not only that, Jamie and I

1052
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: are good people who in our private lives Cita, are

1053
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: still good and not scary or just needed.

1054
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: That's the funny.

1055
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 4: I co sign for Jamie and Kitlyn.

1056
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. It's really good.

1057
00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 4: They're really really good friends to me. Yeah, yeah, I've

1058
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: got I've got receipts. How good of a person I am.

1059
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: I'm kidding.

1060
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn has talked to me while I cried before, okay forever?

1061
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe to quote Paddington too. Okay, if we

1062
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: are kind and polite, the world will be right. And

1063
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: I behave that way in my public life and in

1064
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 4: my private life. Excuse me, someone who has something to

1065
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: prove had a very loud engine that just drove by. Anyway,

1066
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 4: I can be followed. I was like, what as I say?

1067
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 4: You can follow me on social media at Caitlyn Dante

1068
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: on Twitter and Instagram. Hey, if you want to follow

1069
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: me on TikTok, I have exactly two posts on there

1070
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 4: and they're both Titanic related. So really just filling out

1071
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 4: the trifecta of my personality. We've got Titanic, Paddington, and

1072
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 4: now are r R.

1073
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad we filled that out to a trifecta.

1074
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 4: As as was stated earlier, the triangle is the strongest

1075
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 4: shape that might have been in the first episode. But

1076
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 4: I was stated on the record. It's on the record

1077
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 4: and you can you cannot remove it. So what am

1078
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 4: I saying? And listen to the Bechdel Cast. Please, Oh

1079
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: that's where this all started. And we are publicly and

1080
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 4: privately anti fascist. On the Bechdel Cast, it's a and

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Speaker 4: it's a podcast about movies and examining those movies from

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Speaker 4: an intersectional feminist lens. And uh, that's yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's so listen to that episode that I did on

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Speaker 1: the cast.

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Speaker 2: Wait, which what did you do?

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Speaker 1: We did nine to five?

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Speaker 2: Oh, ship, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: Five and and once again the Shrek two episode A banger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when are you gonna do? No saratu?

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Speaker 4: Oh do you want to come on for it?

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, I'll rewatch.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: What if it doesn't hold up, I'll be so disappointed.

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Speaker 2: I'll be like I went through all this work to

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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, this guy rules, and then I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: be like this portrayal is different. I mean, actually I don't.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make someone a bad person. They played it.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he praise on women. I think that's

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Speaker 2: his thing in the in the movie is kind.

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Speaker 4: Of the whole thing about Vampire Lord.

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Speaker 2: He's actually just playing Charlie Chaplin in it.

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Speaker 4: I think, dude, Charlie Chaplin real life vampire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, listeners stay tuned. After we forced

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Speaker 1: one to watch the Toilight series, She's team Edward or

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Speaker 1: team Jacob.

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Speaker 4: I'm team Charlie Swan.

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Speaker 1: Charlie, Charlie, Charlie Swan. Oh oh okay, good to know.

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Speaker 4: Bella, Bella's dad, Bella's Wow, he's a cop. He is

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Speaker 4: a cop. Never mind, never mind, I forgot.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, Charlie, sorry, Charlie, a

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Speaker 1: cab includes you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's truly no one on the team Anna Kendrick

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Speaker 4: and wonderful in those films.

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Speaker 1: Margaret, you have a book that's not that people can

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Speaker 1: purchase and they can see you on book tour which

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Speaker 1: they can find from your Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy is

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Speaker 1: that guy?

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Speaker 2: That's true? That is correct? I am also a good person.

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Speaker 4: Probably, I agree. I hope to be you are.

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Speaker 2: Aspiring good person. Yeah, and you can also check me

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Speaker 2: out kidding. You can find me on the backdel cast.

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Speaker 2: I will be talking about no s Faratu. This is

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Speaker 2: just literally the whole thing was a long con to

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Speaker 2: get myself back on backdel cast.

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Speaker 4: And also we'd love to have you back anytime.

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Speaker 2: We Are the Best, which is a movie about me

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Speaker 2: and Jamie and Caitlin when we started a punk band

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Speaker 2: as teenagers in Sweden.

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Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a biopic about us that we actually directed ourselves.

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Speaker 2: And this is a funny joke that I am making

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Speaker 2: and it's really good to point that out. And you

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Speaker 2: can follow Sophie on the internet at rub Salting.

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Speaker 1: Can find men. You can find me on Twitter. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you can't find me on Instagram because they banned my

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Speaker 1: account all the time. But you can't find me. It

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Speaker 1: happens often, but you can find me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Why Underscore Sophie Underscore Why, and you can follow at

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media at fool zone Media. Is that correct, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: I do it?

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Speaker 2: I think so. I wasn't paying enough attention to the specifics,

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Speaker 2: Oh cool?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not paying attention, I guess the

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Speaker 1: episode has to be over what it's over?

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Speaker 2: Oh Cool?

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