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We've distilled 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: it all down to the best weekend talk show in America. 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: I almost lost my nerve for this segment, for reasons 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I'll explain in a minute. I was reading last night 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Tim Sander for his favorite fabulous Proclaiming Liberty, John Adams 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: comment Jeffery in the Declaration of Independence, and the section 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: I was reading, and it's worth mentioning The sixteen nineteen 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: Project is a cynical, awful work of fiction. The idea 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: that the Revolution was held to perpetuate slavery is so completely, wildly, 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: cynically untrue it's hard to believe anybody believed it. But 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: the book's absolutely wonderful because it talks about all of 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: the things that are in the sixteen project's not wonderful. 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: That's not The book is wonderful. Yeah, sorry, The book 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: is wonderful because it describes all of the specifics in 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence and what they were talking about. 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: He has sent forth the swarms of officers to you know, 26 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: plague our people and eat out our substance. He has 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: forced legislatures to convene in weird, out of the way places, 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: and I've never really understood that. I'd never gotten that 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: as like he did. Are they did because it was 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: all about parliament And yeah, sure enough. And it's just 31 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: such a wonderful story of the lead up to the revolution. 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: But last night I was reading the section about Thomas 33 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: Jefferson in the late seventeen sixties and very early seventeen 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: seventies and how he was Thomas Jefferson crusading against slavery, 35 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: And the reason I almost lost my nerve was I 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: just kept reading, thinking, this stuff is great. We need 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,559 Speaker 1: to talk about this on the show. This is fabulous. 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: And then this morning, as I'm about to start this, 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: I realized there's like eight pages of like fine print, 40 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: single space, and I had not like rewritten it and 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: highlighted it and stuff like that. But I'm going to 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: give you the general version of it. And I think 43 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: it would be an absolutely wonderful excuse to have Tim 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: back on the show to talk about this specifically. But 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: I am going to start. He loves this topic. Oh yeah, well, 46 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: and it's so interesting. I mean, never mind, you know, 47 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: my feelings and patriotism and my point of view or whatever. 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 1: It's just it's much more interesting than the idiotic, oversimplified 49 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: story that y'all have been fed a lot of you. Anyway, 50 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to start at the end, or nearly at 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: the end. What is extraordinary, indeed unprecedented about the American 52 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: revolutionaries was that time and again they conceded that the 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: principles for which they thought would require the liberation of 54 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: the enslaved, even if racial prejudices, including their own, still 55 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: seemed like an insuperable barrier. They talked a lot, they 56 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: wrote a lot about Hey, this all men are created equal. Stuff, 57 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: We've got slaves going on. That doesn't work. They were 58 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: utterly open about it. They talked about it all the time. 59 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: They wrote brilliant treatises on it. Thomas Jefferson was a 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: young crusading lawyer who kept trying to roll back slavery. 61 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Why did he keep his slaves? Why didn't he turn 62 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: him loose? There's a partial explanation for that, But why 63 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: he didn't follow the example of George Washington, who in 64 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: his will said, by the way, almost slaves are free 65 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: when I die. It's not clear. It's a bit of 66 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: a mystery, but the idea that they were just kind 67 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: of hammon and hawn and ignoring the obvious, you know, inconsistency. 68 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it hypocrisy, because they called 69 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: it out to themselves, but why it existed. A couple 70 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: of tidbits for you. First of all, a young Thomas 71 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: Jefferson tried to in a case in seventeen sixty nine, 72 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: I think it was tried to limit slavery and was 73 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: absolutely slapped down and humiliated by it, or in the 74 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: case rather by the powers that be and the judges 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: and the other attorneys and uh and that, and you 76 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: know those folks. And Tim goes on to point out 77 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: that slavery and other forms of compulsory servitude were ubiquitous 78 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: in America and all over the world, hundreds of thousands 79 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: of people ben from Franklin was an apprentice. He was 80 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: a forced laborer for a limited amount of time, that 81 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: was one of the several different kinds of that sort 82 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: of thing, and suffered so severely as an apprentice that 83 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: he had run away breaking colonial law. Some of the 84 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: other interesting points that Tim makes, and he cites all 85 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: of the contemporary documents, is that, well, he goes into 86 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: a fair amount of detail about you know, their entire 87 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: philosophy made slavery look absolutely terrible. But every time they 88 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: tried to limit it, roll it back emancipate slaves, Parliament 89 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: and Britain said no, you can't. They would not let 90 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: the colonists pass laws to liberate slaves under any circumstances, 91 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: very very narrow ones. And Parliament, which at the time 92 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: was claiming it had ultimate unchecked power over the King, 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: over the colonists, over everybody. If they said it was 94 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: the law, it was the law. You have no rights. 95 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Parliament will tell you what your rights are. That's the reason. Really, 96 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: if you want to, you know, encompass it in one sentence, 97 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: why we broke away from England because of parliamentary supremacy. 98 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: But anyway, every time we tried to do something they said, no, 99 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the Royal African Company is you know, approved and supported 100 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: by the by England, it's part of the government, and 101 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: you would be doing injury to them. That was the 102 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: great slave importer. So no, you can't do that. Sorry. 103 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: So the Founding Fathers tried over and over and over 104 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: it again to limit the scope of slavery as much 105 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: as they could and were told no by the Crown 106 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, really by Parliament, which I found very 107 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: very interesting. The other part of it that nobody wants 108 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: to talk about because AA doesn't serve their purposes or 109 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: be it's uncomfortable and I'm sorry, Jack, I don't mean 110 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: a monologue on this. Feel free to bust in any time. 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: I was just thinking about Tim and I were talking 112 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: about when you were gone. This was around the fourth 113 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: of July time. I had rewatched the first couple episodes 114 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: of the John Adams mini series that they're running on 115 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: HBO or Netflix or someplace anyway. I'd seen it before, 116 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: but episode two of the first season, that's when they 117 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: get into the declaration of independence, the voting, and he's 118 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: sitting in the attic there. It's him and Franklin and 119 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson had just written it, and they're reading it 120 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: for the first time, and John Adams gets to the 121 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: you know, the we hold these truths to be self 122 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: evident part, which was like they weren't when when Thomas Jefferson, 123 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: when TJ was given the task, if you know, write 124 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: up a declaration of independence, it didn't include and you know, 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 3: form a new kind of government that nobody's ever done 126 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: it before. He kind of gave on his own, gave 127 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: it back to him all men of creative and John 128 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: Adams says, this isn't just a declaration of independence, this 129 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: is a declaration of a new way of structuring society, 130 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: completely right. 131 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: And Jefferson does that, well, that's what I think. So 132 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: uh to the question of Okay, so the founding Papa's 133 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: understood that slavery was incompatible with the truths that we 134 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: hold most sacred as Americans. So why didn't they turn 135 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: all the slaves loose? I get why people ask that. 136 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 1: It's a legitimate question, and the answer, a good answer 137 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: would be long and complicated, but I'll give you just 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: a couple of tastes of it. Only a few years 139 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: after the declaration, Jefferson published notes on the State of Virginia, 140 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: in which he set forth his quote suspicion that the 141 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Blacks are inferior to the whites. A later generation seized 142 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: on his words to justify slavery, and although Jefferson himself 143 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: denied this connection quote, whatever be their degree of talent, 144 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: it is no measure of their rights, he said. He 145 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: did come to the conclusion that biological as well as 146 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: historical differences between the races made it impossible for them 147 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: to live together permanently. In North America. Jefferson was one 148 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: of many white Southerners who, while regarding slavery as evil, 149 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: found it impossible to imagine a peaceful multiracial democracy. Such 150 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: a thing had no historical precedent. The record with which 151 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: the founding fathers were familiar suggested that racially and religiously 152 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: divers societies could only be governed by emperors, as with Rome, 153 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: or through legal segregation, as with medieval Jerusalem. No civilization 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: known to man had ever successfully abolished slavery. History seemed 155 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: instead to prove that mass emancipation led inevitably to deadly 156 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: reprisals in Civil War. Even Yankees such as John Adams 157 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: agreed on this point. Immediate emancipation, wrote Adams, quote would 158 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: probably excite insurrections among the blacks to rise against their 159 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: masters and imbrew their hands in innocent blood. So you've 160 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: got the combination of m fear of what emancipation would 161 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: look like. Just on a practical level, there will be 162 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: a civil war and incredible blood shed. You got the 163 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: crown saying or I'm sorry again, Parliament saying you're not 164 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: allowed to do that. We're not gonna let you. And 165 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: then you've got the pressure as they're trying to put 166 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: a country to together of the southern colonies saying our 167 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: economic system depends on this, so we're putting that over there, 168 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, to the side. We're going to table that 169 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: until we tell you or we will not sign on. 170 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: Combined with the fact that none of this was had 171 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: any precedent, what do we do now? And so you know, 172 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: if you want to do lambast them for not being 173 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: aggressive or fast enough in answering what seems like the unanswerable. 174 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: That's fair and historians can argue about that. But the 175 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: idea that it was just some sort of winking I 176 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: don't see anything hypocrisy among Thomas Jefferson and the founding fathers, 177 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: the contrast between our founding words and slavery. It's not true. 178 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: In fact, it's the opposite of true. They were sickened 179 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: by it. They wrestled with it constantly and didn't know 180 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: what to do. 181 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 3: I don't like that Jefferson slaves and kept slaves while 183 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: writing that. I wish that weren't a fact. 184 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's awful and and especially given Washington's example, 185 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: nobody can really explain why he did what he did 186 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: in the way he did it. It's a blot on his. 187 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: Legacy because of his idea for not just declaring independence 188 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: from England, but for forming an entirely new way of government, 189 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: just a new idea that we have were born with 190 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: natural rights, that a new idea. I don't think you 191 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: were here for this conversation that Tim mentioned that he 192 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: he said, he decided, and he told his wife. He said, 193 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson is not only my favorite founding father, he's 194 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: my favorite person who's ever lived. And his wife said 195 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: me too. 196 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Wow. 197 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: Wow, that's something you get two people who get married 198 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: or in love with each other who both their favorite 199 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: person who ever lived is not each other. 200 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: It's Thomas Jefferson, and that is their bond. Wow. Wow, 201 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: my wife and I bonded over super Tramp. But you know, 202 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: to each their own each other. Yeah, that is so 203 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: my favorite person for you, it's Thomas Jefferson. Me too, 204 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: me too. So it's a bit of a thruple. So 205 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: if there's one takeaway, I want you to take away. 206 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: Hence the term takeaway, it's that far from pretending it 207 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: wasn't the case. The founding generation wrestled with this question. 208 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say every single day from 209 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: the seventeen sixties through the eighteen sixties, every day they 210 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: thought slavery's evil. Nobody's outlawed on earth. Oh, the Brits 211 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: get credit for ending the slave trade, that's partly well, 212 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: let's say company, that's another story. But America was constantly saying, 213 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: how do we get rid of slavery at a time 214 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: when slavery was ubiquitous everywhere on Earth. The Arabs, the 215 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: Africans themselves, the Native Americans all had slaves like crazy 216 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: and considered it normal. Muslims, what do you mean how 217 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: I lost slavery? Mohammad himself says, slavery is great, No 218 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: freaking way we're out. The Americans were unique and saying, 219 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: we've got to find a way to do this. Burn 220 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: in Hell sixteen nineteen project you Lying Liars. 221 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: Which is probably in your kids' school library or maybe 222 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: even in the classroom. 223 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: They're teaching him right now. You know what, I will 224 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: commission to him. I will pay his princely fee to 225 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: write a children's book on this very topic. That'd be 226 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: a good one. I could write it, but I'm a 227 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: man who craves leisure. 228 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 3: Also, the percentage of black slaves that were purchased from 229 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: black people who had enslaved other black people is so 230 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 3: left out of the whole conversation. 231 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well, and you could make the well, 232 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: it's it's like the drug control argument. There was a 233 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: voracious appetite for black slaves in America. So that's why 234 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: the black people enslaved the other tribes of black people 235 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: or whoever they beaten war or whatever, and send them 236 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: to America for profit. It's America's fault for wanting slaves. 237 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: But that's that's that's not a strong argument. If you're 238 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: making a moral argument, you can't go to that argument. 239 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Back on Capitol Hill, Rand Paul is sort of kind 240 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: of sparring with Fauci and his attorney. Fauci is taking 241 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: the fifth for everything. I'm saying that Rand Paul is 242 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: a crazed fanatic who just wants to put him in jail, 243 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: and so he's just got to take the fifth. Here 244 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: is the Randyman and Fauci an example of how it's 245 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: gone so far. 246 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: Doctor Fauci, would you like. 247 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: To at least answer this one question for us today 248 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: and let us know whether or not you've changed your 249 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: mind on whether or not the benefits of gain a 250 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: function research outweigh the risks. 251 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: On the adviceive Council. 252 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 5: I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under 253 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 5: the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. 254 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: The Chairman has denied your assertion of privilege and directed 255 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 4: you to answer, but you nonetheless refuse and stand on 256 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: privilege despite the existence of the pardon. The Committee will 257 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 4: have to consider after this hearing what appropriate action should 258 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 4: be taken against you for the failure to testify after 259 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: being directed to do so. It's against the law to 260 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 4: obstruct an investigation of Congress. There will be repercussions to 261 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: your refusal to testify today. 262 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,359 Speaker 2: Center peters. 263 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: Man is No, you're not recognized. You're not recognized. If 264 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: you are unruly, you will be removed from the proceeding. 265 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: You are not you are not recognized, and you you 266 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: are not recognized, sir, Sir, you are not recognized. 267 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: You are not recognized. 268 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: Security. 269 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll hold off. 270 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 4: But you will respect these proceedings. You were told not 271 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: to sit at the table. You insist on sitting at 272 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: the table, and we told you you would not be recognized. 273 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: You are not invited here for testimony. 274 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 5: Sir. 275 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: You are being disruptive. Would you behave this way in 276 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: a courtroom? No, because the judge would put you in jail. 277 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: I can't do that today, but I can. 278 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: Have you escorted from the premises. 279 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: So I would say, sir, sit quietly and don't say 280 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: another word. I said, sit quietly, you are not recognized. 281 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: Another word and you're gone. 282 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, go on, Michael Swister, Chairman, I'd like to hear 283 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: what the attorney has to say. 284 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: He is not recognized by the committee or the chair. 285 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 4: If he speaks again, he will be removed from the room. 286 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 4: This testimony is from Anthony Fuci. This is not a 287 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: game with his lawyers. He can advise his lawyers can 288 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: give him advice. He's got a half dozen here. They're 289 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: all allowed to talk to him. Yes, all right, but 290 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 4: the attorneys are not recognized. In fact, the attorney was 291 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: told not to sit at the table and he's not 292 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 4: obeying that recommendation. 293 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: There's a row. 294 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: Behind you, sir, that's where you were told to sit, 295 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: and you're not. And now you're disrupting the proceedings. And 296 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: so look, this is the way Anthony Fauci wants to 297 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 4: be remembered. For a lawyer, not listening to the rules. 298 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 4: That's the way you want to be remembered, and that's 299 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 4: where you're going to do. You are not recognized, sir. Security, 300 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: please remove him from the room. 301 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: So the next person that asked questions was a Democrat, 302 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: and I had to go with the stunt of I'd 303 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: like to I'd like to let the lawyer. 304 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: Speak, right, all right, he's not a witness. Oh my god, 305 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: our politics is diseased. 306 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: It really is. It really is that we're so tribal 307 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: that we go this way. 308 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: It's just. 309 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: It, and it works in the other direction also, But yeah, 310 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: god dang it, it's so frustrating. Well, you know, there's 311 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: one way to know Fauci's innocent of anything. He's got 312 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: six lawyers. 313 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: With him, even though he's got a blanket pardon. That's odd. 314 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: And his claim, if you missed it, is that you 315 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: know what he's hinting at is he would say, yeah, 316 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon I first heard, and then Rand would find 317 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: out it was actually Wednesday. Let's prosecute him for perjury 318 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: because I'm a wild eyed lunatic. That's what Fauci was 319 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: claiming why he took the Fifth. 320 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: I wish at least the CBS Evening News or MSNBC 321 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: or whoever, any mainstream media even would point out the 322 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: one diary entry from January of twenty twenty where Anthony 323 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: Fauci says, we've done the research. This did not evolve naturally. 324 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: This came out of the lab. We now know that. 325 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: He says that we now know it came out of 326 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: the lab. And then say, Anthony Fauci refused it wouldn't 327 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: don't you say refuse? That's prejudicial? Say, did not answer 328 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: questions about this. He took the Fifth Amendment, just at 329 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: least put that out to people. 330 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe this is the best weekend talk 331 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: show in America. 332 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 3: So this Megan Romer woman was on a couple of 333 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: different Sunday shows. She represents the DSA, the Democratic Socialists 334 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: of America, and they've had quite a little run here 335 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: of candidates winning primaries across the country, beating regular mainstream 336 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 3: Democrats and in some of these blue districts. That means 337 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: they're going to win the election and they're going to 338 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: be in Congress or the Senate. What does the DSA mean. Well, 339 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: we spent a lot of last week, as a lot 340 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: of people did, on the DSA website, saying there's some 341 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: crazy s on here. They want to abolish prisons, for instance. 342 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: I mean, is this all true? 343 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: So Shannon Bream on the Fox News Sunday Show yesterday 344 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: went one by one true false or yes no on 345 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: these various parts of the platform, and this is how 346 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 3: the woman answered. 347 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 6: Okay, so we're gonna put up on the screen a 348 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 6: few of the things that are part of your platform, 349 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 6: and I want to ask you just give me sort 350 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 6: of a true false on these. Abolish the Senate, true okay, 351 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 6: replace the Presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them. Yep, 352 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 6: abolish ice, absolutely, abolish borders, and give amnesty to anyone 353 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 6: currently in the US illegally. 354 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 7: As a long term plan. 355 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 356 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 6: Defund the Pentagon, absolutely, abolish prisons, at least in large part. 357 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 358 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 7: Again as part of a long term program. 359 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 360 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 6: Okay, so no present government or public ownership of most 361 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 6: large corporations. 362 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 363 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 6: Absolutely. 364 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: Well, well, you know a couple of dynamics before we 365 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: get to picking apart some of the specifics. First of all, 366 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: this gal has made the round. She was on i 367 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: think two different Fox shows, So they are out and proud. 368 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: They actually believe what they're saying, and they are more 369 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: than happy to tell you what they believe. To their credit, 370 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: I guess. Secondly, you just you have to be astounded 371 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: at the utter childlike university poisoned mind point of view 372 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: of somebody like that. I mean, it's like they've not 373 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: they've never even visited reality, much less you know, live here. 374 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: You want to replace all water with gatorad uh huh. 375 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: You want to inject dogs at the pound with meth 376 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: and let them loose in school yards. 377 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 8: M hmm. 378 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: Yep, as part of a long term program. First we'll 379 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: have to get the meth for the dogs. Yes, Michael, 380 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: there is a time when you would have thought this 381 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: was a prank. Yeah, no kidding, no kidding. 382 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 3: Well, let's hear her on some of the specifics there. 383 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: I just am so interested in because I didn't actually 384 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: hear this part the abolished prisons. 385 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 6: Talk about abolishing prisons, then, does that make society better? 386 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 6: I mean, is there anybody that should be incarcerated? I mean, rapist, 387 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 6: child predators, murderers? 388 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, so the long term plan, when we think about 389 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 7: most people who are in prison, they are mostly in 390 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 7: prison for crimes of poverty. So when we. 391 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 6: Let's don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the. 392 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: Really yeah, I know. 393 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, So when we get rid of this need for 394 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 7: crimes of poverty to exist, when we get rid of 395 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 7: that destabilizing force that creates so many people who are 396 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 7: living in desperate situations and doing desperate things, that brings 397 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 7: those numbers down to very small numbers, and then we 398 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 7: can collectively decide what we do with those people. I 399 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 7: suspect it won't look like the prison system as we 400 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 7: know it today. 401 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 6: But you do think some people need to be locked 402 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 6: away from society. 403 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 7: Some people are not able to be functional members of society. 404 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 7: That's true, But what does that look like to keep 405 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 7: the rest of us safe. You know, we're talking about safety. 406 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 7: We're not talking about punishment. We're talking about making sure 407 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 7: that we're safe. Everybody's safe, everybody maintains their dignity, and 408 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 7: everybody maintains their humanity. 409 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to have Shannon Breemont all the time. 410 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: She's super smart and. 411 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: Really really good. 412 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: But I think she seated way too much ground on 413 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: the crimes of poverty. Thing like that kind of makes sense, 414 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: but what about rapists and murderers. I just I think 415 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: she says that if she got involved at that point, 416 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 3: they would never get to the end of it. Because 417 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: what you heard there was a beautiful example of a bright, 418 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 3: but naive, you know, probably affluent, very college educated, elite 419 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: college young woman who has been sold on this looney 420 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 3: Tunes notion that the only reason there's crime is because 421 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: there is need, and the only reason there's need is 422 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 3: because there's capitalism. 423 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: And if you ban capitalism and everybody shares and works, 424 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: nobody will be mad. There will be no gangs, there 425 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: will be no robberies. That people are driven by desperation 426 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: to crime, that's the only reason crime exists. 427 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: That's what Lenin believed. I remember reading that when I 428 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: was like, I don't know how old it was, I 429 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 3: was young, and it was a conversation or a speech 430 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: from Vladimir Lenin, the original guy running the Soviet Union, 431 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: and he believed that the only reason there's crime was 432 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: you know, evil, evil society caused people commit crime. And 433 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: I thought, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Have 434 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: you never been around human beings? 435 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: Did you not go to like grade school? 436 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: And some people just will take your stuff because they 437 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: want it, because they want to, and if nobody stops them, 438 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: they'll just take all your stuff. Have you never seen 439 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 3: this part of human nature? I thought that was so 440 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: crazy then, And there are people out there, grown up 441 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: adults who believe that. 442 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you know what we need to get 443 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: Michael and Hanson. We need to get the full interview 444 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 1: of those two halfwits who stole the money from the 445 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: girl Scouts. That is an absolutely perfect illustration of what 446 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about. It doesn't need to be right now, 447 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: but let's have that in our back pocket. So, yeah, 448 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: it is the sort of idiotic idea only an intellectual 449 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: could hold. 450 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: Which of these other ones do you want to hear. 451 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: Now, let's go back to sixty four and work through them. 452 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 6: Abolish the Senate. There are people who are in the 453 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 6: Senate now who are very supportive of DSA. They lose 454 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 6: their seats. 455 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 7: Well, the Senate is an anachronistic institution. It comes from 456 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 7: the British House of Lords. It is made to protect 457 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 7: power for or you know, the Senate was part of 458 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 7: the system that was made to make sure that the 459 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 7: people didn't have too much of us. Say so, we 460 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 7: want to expand Congress significantly, but make it a unicameral legislature. 461 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: No it's not, and no it's not. And furthermore, no, 462 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: it's not. Really what they want is a single legislature, 463 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: a unicameral legislature in which the majority rules all the time, 464 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: and of course the party will will make sure only 465 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: the right people run. That's the way every socialist slash 466 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: communist country has ever worked. And then and I think 467 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: they get into this, No we don't have that clip. 468 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: But and they get into and we're going to get 469 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: rid of a judicial review too, because who are judges 470 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: to overcome the will of the majority. The constitution exists, 471 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: and it's our government of structure. The way it is 472 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: to protect you from the majority, not to give them ultimate, 473 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: unquestionable power. But that's what the DSA wants. 474 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 3: So we talked about this. 475 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: Last week. 476 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 3: AOC or somebody of her stripe was complaining about the 477 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: Senate and how why does New York just get to 478 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 3: senators when the population is more than that of I 479 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: think North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming and Alaska adda together, 480 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: you know. 481 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: Pick your states. Is constantly saying the Senate is anti Democratic. 482 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's basically a crowd that doesn't believe 483 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: in the concept of United States. That were a country 484 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 3: of United States, a whole bunch of individual states where 485 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: people live and have their own governments, and then we 486 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 3: united together as a country. And it's supposed to be 487 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 3: as little as possible that the federal government gets involved 488 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: in what the states decide to do. And that has 489 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: kind of gone away over time. And I doubt that 490 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 3: the lefties would be all four since you have the 491 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: European Union now of doing away with Italy is its 492 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: own country, Germany is its own country, Spain is its 493 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 3: own country. And just letting you know, a couple of 494 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: power centers decide for everybody. I doubt they would like 495 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: that because they would think, no, they'd hate it. All 496 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: those individual countries are cool and their cultures are so 497 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: important to Bubba. 498 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: Right. 499 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, so there's just a lack of belief in 500 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: the concept of a United States. 501 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: Right. The federalism argument is a really, really good one, 502 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: and I get why people miss that these days, because 503 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: we've all come to worship the federal government is our god, 504 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: particularly the President, and that the federal government is here 505 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: to solve all our problems. That's a perversion of our system. 506 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: But the other argument that I find even more powerful, 507 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: and I think normal people do, people who don't think 508 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: much about structures of governments and constitutions, is that this 509 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: is our system. Is a brilliant system that prevents Eastern 510 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: states from running rough shod and imposing the will on 511 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Western states. It stops urban centers for running rough shod 512 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: over giant but small population agricultural states. Prevents you know, 513 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: industrial states from crushing the needs and dreams of agricultural states. 514 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: And you can think of bunches of different examples, and 515 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: so the Senate exists so that for instance, Wyoming in 516 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: North Dakota can come to the Senate say guys, I 517 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: get why you want that, but you got to carve 518 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: out an exemption for us, because here's our reality. And 519 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: if they make a decent case, that body of one 520 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: hundred senators says, you know what, they have a really 521 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: really good point, and they stop it and they, you know, 522 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: craft laws accordingly. 523 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think the pushback on that from aocnior crowd 524 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: would be, Yeah, that's what we want to do. That's 525 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: what we think we should do. These moronic corn pone 526 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: idiots out here in these rural states have way too 527 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: much say. I think that would be the My response 528 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: would be, f you, let's fight. We have way more guns. 529 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: I want to hear just before we take a break, 530 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: and we'll have to get into some more of this later. 531 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: They're opening question clips sixty and Michael, I want to. 532 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 6: Hear that The Daily Economy quotes you saying this at 533 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 6: a DSA convention last year. We will win by making 534 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 6: conditions so intolerable for the ruling class that they would 535 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 6: rather give in to our demands. They continue to live 536 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 6: with a disturbance we cause until we are able to 537 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 6: fully seize power ourselves. Is that aimed at the Democrat Party? 538 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 7: It's aimed at it's aimed from the working class to 539 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 7: the ruling class. So the two party duopoly, the two 540 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 7: corporate parties, it is aimed at both of them, and 541 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 7: it comes from the working class. 542 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: Well, there's another give credit for being honest. Our goal 543 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: is to just make things so disruptive and ugly that 544 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's basically the whole Marxist thing of we'll 545 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: tear things down. 546 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a cousin to the Cloward Pivens strategy 547 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: to overwhelm the system with so many people on government program, 548 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: so many people flooding the immigration system, that the whole 549 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: thing just bogs down and breaks. And you can make 550 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: the argument, look, we need to rebuild this s the 551 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: great philosopher little Finger and Game of Thrones put it. 552 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: Chaos is a ladder. So no prisons, no president, no senate. 553 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: A little later, we'll have to play the clips for 554 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 3: she explains why they're going to have open borders and 555 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: there's no such thing as being illegal, while giving free 556 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 3: stuff to everyone, imagining. 557 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: There's no countries. 558 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: You friggin idi gun Lennon left that line out. 559 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: Little rewrite there. Josh Hawley took up the cause and 560 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: went toe to toe with the Fifth Amendments, citing virus tweaker. 561 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 8: Next, Well, nothing says honesty like taking the fifth h doc. 562 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: Let's try something. 563 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: What day of the week is it today? On the 564 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: divisive Council? 565 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 5: I respectfully declined to and sebased upon my rights under 566 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 5: the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. 567 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: We color tie you're wearing. 568 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: On the advisive Council? 569 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 5: I respectfully declined to and sebased upon my rights under 570 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 5: the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. 571 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: What color is the carpet in front of you? On 572 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: the advisive Council? 573 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 5: I respectfully and sebbased upon my rights under the Fifth 574 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 5: Amendment to the Constitution. 575 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 2: Let's just get one things straight. 576 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 8: You don't have any rights under the Fifth Amendment because 577 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 8: you've been pardoned, as you very well know, as a 578 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 8: Supreme Court has been clear for a century and more, 579 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 8: Brown versus Walker, eighteen ninety six. You know that your 580 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 8: lawyer is sitting behind you now shifting nervously in their chairs. 581 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: They know it. 582 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 8: This isn't about the Constitution, this isn't about the law, 583 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 8: This is about contempt. 584 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 3: Well, Josh Holly is known as one of the smartest 585 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: lawyers in all of the country. He knows a lot 586 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: more about that than I do. But is that true? 587 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: Does that become a thing? 588 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things. Ask five lawyers, and 589 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: all five of them will say it depends the. 590 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: What color was your tie? Was a performative stunt, which, 591 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: while I enjoyed it, I really wish we'd get away 592 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: from performative stunts. And like everybody just tried, I answer 593 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: questions and get to the bottom of things. But those 594 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 3: days are long past. That's a horse and buggy era. 595 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, old man, come on, get with the times. I'm 596 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: looking at the Fifth Amendment right now. No person shall 597 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness 598 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: against himself unless it's about the color of carpets. Straight 599 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: from the Constitution. He's not in a criminal case. The 600 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: lawyers will will wrastle over this, because that's what lawyers do. 601 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: But the answer to your question is, of course depends. 602 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: Josh Holly went on, you did all kinds of terrible things. 603 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 8: It's because during the pandemic, you got rich, didn't you. 604 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 8: You got rich while people were dying, hundreds of thousands 605 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 8: of Americans over a million in the end, and you 606 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 8: were getting rich and not only were you in that, 607 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 8: you were using federal employees with taxpayer money to apply 608 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 8: for and solicit cash prizes for you personally, cash prizes 609 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 8: totaling over a million dollars. You did all of that 610 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 8: during the pandemic, didn't you. 611 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 5: That's a question on the Advisive Council. I respectfully decline 612 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 5: to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment 613 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 5: to the Constitution. 614 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 8: Five CFR Section twenty six thirty five two h five B. 615 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 8: It says it right there in black and white. You 616 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 8: cannot use federal resources, federal dollars, federal employees, federal offices, 617 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 8: federal email, federal time to solicit cash awards. And you 618 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 8: did all of it. And the worst part is thousands 619 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 8: of people were dying while you were doing it. You 620 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 8: were supposed to be the nation's doctor and you're playing 621 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 8: one on TV. But this is what you were doing 622 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 8: with your time, isn't that true? 623 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: You got me on the Advisive Council. 624 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 5: I respect for the client's answer based upon my rights 625 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 5: under the Fifth Amendment to the content. 626 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: I would have gotten away with it too if it 627 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: wasn't for you meddling kids. You know all the bad 628 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: guys in Scooby Doo totally unfamiliar with the Fifth Amendment? 629 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: Are they are? They just lost their s I mean, well, 630 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: Josh Holly did a. 631 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 3: Good job of being the guy who gets on the 632 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 3: Fox clips this afternoon. 633 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that was one of the less discussed aspects 634 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: of the diary was it became clear that Fauci did 635 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: email a bunch of his colleagues saying, hey, do me 636 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: favor and nominate me for this big award which comes 637 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: with the Giant Cash prize, and they did and he 638 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, Okay, that's not cool. I don't like 639 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: that if that's but it's not fundamental to what we're 640 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, but that's that's Yeah. 641 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 3: I'm still so angry about my kids being locked out 642 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: of school and not being able to play in a playground. 643 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 3: I can't get into those other details which he recommended 644 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 3: to these states and was lying about everything. 645 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish there was a little more coordination, not 646 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: only among senators but among the American people to say, Look, 647 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: COVID was horrific in so many ways, including the fact that, 648 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: as Michael Brenda Doherty put it, we suspended the Constitution somehow, 649 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: and the right of landlords to collect rent. In the 650 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: student just a thousand things, let's rank the top ten 651 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: harms one to ten and really focus on the very 652 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: top ones. To your point, I think you're right. 653 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: Or I got a friend who was a small business 654 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 3: owner that just didn't happen to have the right kind 655 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 3: of small business. The ice cream shop next to him 656 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 3: was open because it fell under the category of food. 657 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: Even though he served was ice cream, his. 658 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 3: Store was different. He didn't get to be opened for 659 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: like a year and a half. Yeah, I mean, you 660 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 3: talk about taking away people's constitutional rights. Holy crap, you're 661 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 3: right to make a living. 662 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: And for the millionth time, and this is I think 663 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: this is important. This is m I'm teaching a class stuff, 664 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: not we're watching hearing stuff. The very health agencies that 665 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about, both the American federal agencies and world 666 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: health organizations, had gamed out if there is a pandemic 667 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: of this sort, how will we react? And it did 668 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: not include massive closures and school closures and the rest 669 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: of it. They carefully and deliberately weighed everything and said no, 670 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: that would be way too much damage. But when the 671 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: crisis came, our politicians panicked and they abandon their best 672 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: laid plans and said, trust us, trust us, nobody gets 673 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: to dissent. We're going to silence anybody who disagrees we 674 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: represent science. You must suspend your constitutional rights based on 675 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: our judgment because this is so important right now. And 676 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: it turns out that all of that was wrong. And 677 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: so the next time something like this faces us say, 678 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: oh fool, he wants shame on you, because that's where 679 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: we are and that's what the purpose of the hearing is. 680 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 681 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: We've decided to call this the best weekend talk show 682 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 3: in America. And if you like it, download Armstrong and 683 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 3: Getty on demand.