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Speaker 1: A year after she was critically injured by a bomb

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Speaker 1: placed under the driver's seat in her car, and though

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Speaker 1: still in considerable pain from her injuries, Judy Barry went

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Speaker 1: to speak at Mendocino High School, which was firmly in

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Speaker 1: Redwood Country.

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Speaker 5: I had one close encounter in person with her, and

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Speaker 5: that was my freshman year of high school. She was

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Speaker 5: a guest speaker in an environmental studies elective that I

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Speaker 5: was taking. That was in the spring of nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 5: so it was just about a year after the bombing.

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Speaker 5: She wasn't much getting out in public at that point,

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Speaker 5: but she came and spoke to the class and they

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Speaker 5: was open to the whole school. The classroom was packed.

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Speaker 5: My name is Josh Morsel. I years ago worked as

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Speaker 5: a paralegal or Judy's trial team and the trial in

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Speaker 5: her civil lawsuit against the FBI and the Oakland Police.

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Speaker 5: So I grew up in the general region where Judy

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Speaker 5: was organizing. I grew up on the Mendocino Coast of

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Speaker 5: northern California, just right in the middle of redwood timber country.

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Speaker 5: And I should say that the community here, my whole life,

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Speaker 5: has really been kind of divided into two cultures. The

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Speaker 5: We called them the rednecks, and then they called, you know,

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Speaker 5: with the Back of the Land movement. So Judy spoke,

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Speaker 5: and she stood at the front of the classroom, which

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Speaker 5: is kind of remarkable to me because I know she

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Speaker 5: had more or less constant pain for the rest of

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Speaker 5: her life after the bombing. She didn't show her pain.

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Speaker 5: I know she trained herself to not grimace while speaking

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Speaker 5: to people because they found it distracting. She emanated confidence,

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Speaker 5: She spoke a rapid clip. She seemed to be enjoying herself.

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Speaker 5: She made a lucid case that the timber industry was

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Speaker 1: Students who are members of timber family sat in the back.

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Speaker 1: They challenged Judy with the kind of pointed questions that

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Speaker 5: They'd say, Judy, isn't your house made of wood? Don't

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Speaker 5: you know, without wood? And she said, yeah, my house

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Speaker 5: is built of wood. I'm a carpenter. I work with wood,

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Speaker 5: and I want there to be wood sustainably. I want

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Speaker 1: She finished her presentation, but her day at the high

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Speaker 5: After she spoke, she went back to her car and

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Speaker 5: she found that somebody had put a piece of cardboard

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Speaker 5: It was very upsetting to her. She received death threats

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Speaker 5: before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing.

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Speaker 5: The bomber had never been caught. She lived in fear

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Speaker 1: He apologized to Judy.

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Speaker 5: I think that that incident also underscores that a lot

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Speaker 1: I'm Toby Ball and this is rip current episode two arrival.

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Speaker 1: Though she is known for her work in California, Judy

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Speaker 6: Judy, you have to remember, was a lefty. She was

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Speaker 6: communists and anarchists, and she was a leftist, and there

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Speaker 1: She stayed near home for college, attending the University of Maryland.

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Speaker 1: In an essay written later, she equipped that she majored

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Speaker 1: in anti Vietnam riots. On May third, nineteen seventy, she

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Speaker 7: Good Evening, my fellow Americans. I announced the decision to

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Speaker 7: I was making that decision despite our concern over increased

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Speaker 1: The University of Maryland protests went through several phases as

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars worth of damage had been done. But

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Speaker 1: this was just the beginning of Judiu's activism. Author of

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Speaker 1: Defending Giants Darren Space.

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Speaker 8: She left school early and went to work at a

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Speaker 1: And in April twenty, nineteen ninety two interview with journalist

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Speaker 1: Chris Carlson, Judy talked about union organizing at the postal facility.

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Speaker 9: I had a job at a post office factory. Everybody

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Speaker 9: put out an outrageous newsletter postal strife that was really funny,

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Speaker 9: It peaked in a wildcat strike, which was actually successful.

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Speaker 1: Judy had become an established union organizer and had thus

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Speaker 1: joined a larger environment of activists for labor and other

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Speaker 1: Judy had remained politically active. As a married couple. She

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Speaker 1: north of San Francisco, in nineteen eighty one, electronics company

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Speaker 1: Hewlett Packard proposed to build a factory in Rohnert Park,

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Speaker 1: As a board member of the group Citizens for Community Choice,

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Speaker 6: A simple one.

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Speaker 11: Will we give the Nicaraguan Democratic resistance the means to

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Speaker 1: She fought a plan to widen a California highway that

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Speaker 1: Workers protest at a local Safeway grocery store to oppose

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Speaker 3: Every year, more than three hundred thousand farm workers are

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Speaker 1: She was also a member of the Residence Coalition to

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Speaker 1: This would become a bigger story, one that we will

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Speaker 1: revisit later this season. These efforts, along with her union

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Speaker 1: Earth First would later call Ecotopia. By December of nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty eight, she was established referred to in the small

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Speaker 1: The elements were there for conflict. Newly arrived counterculture people

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Speaker 14: Marijuana money can help local economies. The recession hit hard

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Speaker 1: So this was the environment that awaited Judy when she

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