1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Definitely a very talented roster and uh and we're proud 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: of it. But we get to go into it, into 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: this draft and into this free agency period, and we 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to make it even better. So that's 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: what's exciting. If we can get another guy like Marquise 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: and obviously the bigger the better, but it'll all have 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: to be big, right if they can still be impact 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: players at a smaller size. So um, But really it's 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: it's the you know, the guys that know how to 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: get open, to how to get open, whether they're faster 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: or slow. I'll definitely lock in if it's you and Garrett. 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: This is my Name's on the door, Welcome into the lounge. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: Garrett is not here. Clifton Brown is. That's right. Garrett thinks, 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, since he's going to the Combine and he's 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: supposedly going to be air quotes working hard at the Combine, 16 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: that you can take Friday off and not see the pot. 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: Well guess what if also is going to the Combine 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: also had the day off schedule today but specifically drove 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: in to do the POD. I think I should get 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: some type of reward for this. I completely agree. You 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: get Garrett's paycheck for the week, you get Garretts paycheck. 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: I didn't hear nothing. I think you got it. So 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: me and Cliff are gonna be talking to Ravens Director 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: of player Personnel Joe Ortiz. Uh he's gonna help us 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: preview the combine, give us what to look for, and 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: take a little look back as well. Uh so that means, sorry, 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: we don't have time to read an email this week, 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: but let's jump right into an interview with Joe Ortiz. 29 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: All right, Joe, well you're stuck with me. No Garrett, Cliff, 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: like Cliff, Thank God for thank God. When I found 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: out Garrett wasn't gonna be here, I was devastated. We 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: thought it was just gonna be you and me and 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Cliff through me a lifeline. I had the candle. It 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: was gonna be one on one, just a one one date, 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: me and you, grilling it candle it everything, worst date ever. 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: All Right, I gotta start here. It was reported that 37 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: John Harball is not making the trip to Indie. How 38 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: many text messages is he going to be blowing you 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: guys up with during the combine saying you know what 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: do you hear from this guy? He did you like 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: so and so? Can you face time time? You know, 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: just do a live stream. What do you expect? No, 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: you know I would expect, and I'm already getting him 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: from him. He'll he'll be watching a lot of guys. 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I can promise you that, and he's already started, and 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: he'll whenever he finds a guy he likes, he texts me, Hey, 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: I really like this guy. And he just he hit 48 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: me up probably forty five minutes before I came down 49 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: here about a couple of guys he really likes and 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: fit us. And so I imagine during the process of 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: the combine, I'll be getting texts, which I'd love to 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: get from them anyway, because I know it's fun when 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: he finds a guy or he's a guy that I 54 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: know we like, and it's like, all right, this is 55 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: gonna be this is gonna be an easy guy to push. 56 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to get the text like 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: I really don't like this guy, Like all right, I 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: got to revisit him, you know, But now it's I'm 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: sure he'll be. Uh, he'll be he'll be dialed in 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: on TV watching it and uh, while he's while he's 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: not watching film but he's gonna be doing a lot 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: of guys on film. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, you guys 63 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: coming off the season the best record season in franchise history. Yeah, 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: when you're obviously the roster already has a lot of talent. 65 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Does that have any impact on how you evaluate going 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: into this year having such a UM? I think if 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: scouts were always evaluating the players for basically a blank roster, um, 68 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: that's the goal. Now it's hard to human nature. It's 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: hard to not say, Okay, we're weak at this position, 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: we're strong at this position. So yeah, you made downgraded guy, 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: but you really want to defend defending against that because anything, 72 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: it's it's the NFL. It could always change. You guys 73 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: know that it's happened to us before, where you guys 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: get hurt, guys move on. UM. So you're always looking 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: to just really kind of grade against history versus the roster. 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: You know, the guys remind you of this player. UM 77 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: so this I thought this guy was a six three 78 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: on the board. I think this guy's a six three. UM. Now, 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: picking the guy the need on the selection, then that's 80 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: when you know, okay, two positions of need position need 81 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: versus a position where it may not be as high. Um, 82 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: if they're at the same level, you you may lean 83 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: towards a guy that feels a greater need. Um. But yeah, 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: good roster with definitely a very talented roster and uh, 85 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: and we're proud of it. But we get to go 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: into it, into this draft and into this free agency period, 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: and we have an opportunity to make it even better. 88 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: So that's what's exciting. So we uh, you know, last 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: year talked at this time about Eric coming in in 90 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: his first year GM and the changes we're happening and whatnot. 91 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Now that he's had a year under his belt, what 92 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: changes did you see over the past year and and 93 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: I assume Eric seems like the guy that's always perfected 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: about perfection and what things is he tweaking now going 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: into year two? Well, I think in in scouting and 96 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: he's we've been this way for a long time. We're 97 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: always tweaking and trying to manage and and massage our 98 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: processes and so UM, I think the same changes have 99 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: always happened, you know, in terms of like we just 100 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: find a different way to evaluate a guy. You know, 101 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: let's look for this, let's let's let's start considering this 102 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: intangible or this physical characteristic for these these types of players. So, um, 103 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: we're always we've we've always done it, We'll continue to 104 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: do it. So that's kind of being consistent. We're still 105 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: doing that. Um, I think just the way um you 106 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: know he you know, the way he manages the rosters, 107 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit different than Ozzie, but obviously there's 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: also a heavy Ozzy influence. Ozzi is still in the building, 109 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: and then Ozzie is the one who we all grew 110 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: up under. So we haven't we haven't shifted too far 111 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: from our philosophies of the Baltimore Ravens. Everybody was expecting 112 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: a smooth transition because something you were talking about. But 113 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: is there any part of you now looking back over 114 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: the past year you're like, Wow, that was even smoother 115 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: than I thought it was gonna be. Uh No, No, 116 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean I've been here. I think my twenty three 117 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: year I expected to go be a seamless transition. I 118 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: really did, I think, And really it's for many reasons. 119 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: One a lot of us have been here together, but 120 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: the biggest reason is the relationship between Ozzie and Eric 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: is so strong, has been always, will Be and Um, 122 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: there's such a healthy respect and admiration I think between 123 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: the two of them. And so you know, I thought 124 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: it was going to be really easy transition and and 125 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: it's proven that way. Right. Can you take us back 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: to Lamar the reigning m V p uh the eighteen combine, 127 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: when you know he decided not to run, there was 128 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: so many eyeballs on him, so the opinions about him, 129 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: anything you remember about Lamar handling that process? And another 130 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: question always had or have about Lamar, and that's saying 131 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: this and I've read a couple of times that once 132 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: you guys got to the point where you really I 133 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: thought you might take Lamar, you kind of didn't want 134 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people knowing. Is that was there a 135 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: how do you think Lamar handled the whole process of combat? 136 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: And be was a deception for lack on your guys 137 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: fart afterwards saying hey, we love this guy, but we 138 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: don't really want people to know. Yeah, well we did. Uh, 139 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: we did a really good job of keeping our interest 140 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: and really and we looked at a lot of quarterbacks 141 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: that year. Um, and we spent time with quarterbacks that year, uh, 142 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: and not just Lamar, and none of it was ever reported, 143 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: um because because we we didn't want to play our 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: to show our cards. Um. So I think we did 145 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: a really good job with that. Um. I mean I 146 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: had texts, you know, and and reporters are great, all right. 147 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: Um in terms of getting scooped, I've had guys hit 148 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: me up saying I hear Lamar's coming in and I 149 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: was like, nope, you just give us straight now. You 150 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: heard wrong, right. And so then after we drafted him, 151 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: like nose just getting a little bit longer as we drafted. 152 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: After we drafted him, I got the text He's like 153 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: he wasn't wasn't he. I'm like, yeah, but he but 154 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: he uh, he never reported it, you know, because he 155 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: because he was trying to get info. I was like, 156 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's not here, you know what. Meanwhile he 157 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: just left my office. So um no, but it was 158 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: it was fun, it was and it was challenging now, 159 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: I mean because so many people talk, you know, and 160 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: social media's out there, you know, it's it's really hard 161 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: to keep a secret. Um. So I think we did 162 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: a really good job with Lamar. And then in terms 163 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: of the combine, not running the one guy at the 164 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: position of quarterback, that I that no one in this building, 165 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: we're really in the country needed to see run was 166 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: Lamar I mean throw on any game and you see 167 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: him cover forty forty yards, so they that was you know, 168 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: and I did bust his chops a little bit, like 169 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: would you have run better than a four or five? Ooh? 170 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: And uh so I could be you know, when he 171 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: came out, I was like, how you didn't run? He 172 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I just didn't feel like I was. 173 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: He probably didn't need to. But are you faster at 174 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: four or five? Though? And he's like he looked at me, 175 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: like yeah, you're crazy. And then I'm like, what happened 176 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: against Mississippi State? You got caught? You know? But it 177 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: was fun. It was fun for us to see his 178 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: competitiveness right there. He's like, man, I had a hamstring 179 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: and I was tired. I was run around, but like, 180 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, but I was like, I don't know, he 181 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: walked you down. You saw the competitiveness throw and so 182 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: that was a fun process and uh that it's been 183 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: fun to watch him grow and and and and be 184 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the guy who was really neat about him. Lamar is 185 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: and we could probably spend this whole podcast talking about Lamar. Right, Um, 186 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: it was really neat about him. And I tell a 187 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: lot of people it's out on the road. Is is awesome. 188 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: And you guys know because you're in the building. As 189 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: awesome as he is to watch, and he makes great 190 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: great professional athletes look silly at times. It's crazy, it's insane, right, 191 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: And but as great as he is to watch, as 192 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: much fun as he is to watch, he's an even 193 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: better person. And it's and it's it's not smoke, it's 194 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: the truth. And and it's and what's cool is our 195 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: scouts that went in there, Milt and Dwane went in 196 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: there in the fall, and that's the information that they listened. 197 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: This guy doesn't he doesn't care about the spotlight. He 198 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: literally he has to. He had to do those things 199 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: because he's the Heisman Trophy winner, he's the starting quarterback 200 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: to face of Louisville football. But he'd much rather after 201 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: a win, let the lineman go up there and get 202 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: the interview. And he but but he knew, and they 203 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: the mark. You gotta do it. You're the face, you know, 204 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: and he do it, you know, and so he he 205 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: understands that role now and he understood it then, and 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: he's great at it, but he really does not seek 207 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: that attention. He just he wants to be you know, 208 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: he just wants to go out and play ball and 209 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: have fun. And he's a great teammate and the guys 210 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: love him. So it's it's fun to see everything that 211 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: they said at Louisville, you know, show itself here and 212 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: it's it's it's they are scouts did a great job 213 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: in terms of evaluating Lamar and and then really not 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: just that the player, but the person they now the 215 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: person and I think, I know, I'm proud of him 216 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: for that, and I know they're proud for that too. 217 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much all of our 218 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: but getting that pick right is monumental. I mean the 219 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: scouting process there to just nail so many how many 220 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: teams go through and pick quarterbacks and it just sets 221 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: back the franchise for so long to go from Joe 222 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: Flacco and then the next quarterback you take, I mean 223 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: high quarterback. You know that you do. It was going 224 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: to be a starter to nail on Lamar Jackson is 225 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: well no, so like you know, and you know, it's 226 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: really a testament to John and his staff like, you know, 227 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: we took Lamar and the plan end was like, when 228 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: this guy becomes our guy, the offense will be We've 229 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: got to build this around him. And that takes I mean, 230 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: that takes a lot for staff to be flexible and say, 231 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna this is what we know, but 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, you know. And that's 233 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: a hard thing to do. And really we've done it 234 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. We just don't have 235 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: one guy we built around with defense, but our defense 236 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: has changed a lot the way we the way Wink 237 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: and and those guys do things and so and and 238 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's John Steer in the direction and 239 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean it really it's been awesome to see and 240 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: it's really what made last year so fun. I mean, 241 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: fourteen to two you mentioned was the best year in 242 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: the history of the Ravens, and that that's great. Like 243 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: I've been here during multiple thirteen and three seasons, twelve 244 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: and four seasons when we've won division titles, and but 245 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: last year was definitely the most fun I've ever had, 246 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: just because it's a young team for the most part, 247 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of long tooth guys in there, but um, 248 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: just watching them the team, that the closeness of the team, 249 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: the chemistry between the players and the coaches and the 250 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: staff and just the whole organization. You know, it just 251 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: it was so much fun and energizing and just it's 252 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: a joy to be around and it's a joy to 253 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: know we're gonna be around it for a while. Yeah. So, 254 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: do you want to talk about this year's stretch or combine? 255 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: I mean, um, so what we always ask you this 256 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: every year? What are the strongest positions that you see 257 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: right now in this year's draft class? Um? You know, 258 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I'd say running backs really deep this year. Um, there's 259 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of good players at running back. Um. Receivers 260 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: is another strong year. Um, there's some guys at the 261 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: top that are really gifted. But then in the middle 262 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: rounds are gonna get good receivers, I believe. UM. And 263 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: then DBS, you know, it's it's a strong dB draft. 264 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: I would say, um, in terms of the strongest groups 265 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: on the board. Not taking quarterbacks, taking quarterbacks down's quarterbacks 266 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: is a good year. Uh, there's we're kind of a 267 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: you know so, Um, but yeah, DBS, it was fun 268 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: this fall, Like I'm out watching guys and and during this, 269 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, lead up to the combine our meetings that 270 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: we had last week, and you just keep looking at 271 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: all these there's another good running back. Yeah, this is 272 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: another good corner. Yeah, this is you know, just it's fun. 273 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of good players at the dB 274 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: and running back position that just you know, just they're 275 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: fun to watch, you know, and so um, it's those 276 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: are those three positions. I'd say why running back in 277 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: dB are probably the deepest. I was just on a 278 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: conference call with Daniel Jeremiah in which he said that 279 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: this is the best wide receiver class, the deepest he's 280 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: ever seen. He said he had twenty seven guys with 281 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: grades in the first three rounds. Is it you know, 282 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: it's always hard to say the deepest for most talent 283 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: rich or whatever, But do you see this is is 284 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: this one of the best you've ever seen it in 285 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: your time as a college scouting director? Uh? Yeah, I 286 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: mean it's it's strong, like it's it's notably strong. So 287 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: like you know, to say, is it the best ever? 288 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: It's that a j and Julio year, I mean when 289 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: they were really good, like something. The top guys carry 290 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: the position sometimes most of the time. But in terms 291 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: of like that middle depth that it's pretty good. You know. 292 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: Last year was a good one too, you know, and 293 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: you saw it. I saw it because we took Marquis. 294 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: He was the first one, right, we took the first one. 295 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: But then you look at all the guys that had 296 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: production this year, and I think that's kind of the 297 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: way college football is going. You know, there's it's really 298 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: a passing game now in college. Um So, now I 299 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: say that, but it's a strong running back here too, 300 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: So like they still run the rock in college, but 301 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: I think the passing offenses in college are really evolved 302 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: and developed and and so you're getting receivers that are 303 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: more a little bit more ready to produce and play. Right. 304 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: John at his season in presscom it talked about, you know, 305 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: we have a good vision of the type of wide 306 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: receiver we want. I know, you know, you guys don't 307 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: want to go into exact specifics, but with this deep 308 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver class, are there a lot of options for 309 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: the type of wide receivers you good eyes could take. 310 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: And is that a good thing to be looking for 311 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: wives even this year in a in a year where 312 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: it's so deep yeah, I think so, and one there are. 313 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: And the good thing about like our offense is we 314 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: have different types of why like that this offense doesn't 315 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: change what you really like a while and have to 316 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: be uniquely different than in this offense than he does 317 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: in any other offense. But we know what we want 318 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: from the position. So we know what we got in Marquise. 319 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: We know what we have, you know, and Willie and 320 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: boy Kin and so we know what we have in 321 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: those guys. But we also know what we want at 322 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: the outside positions, at the slot positions. Um. But the 323 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: one thing all receivers that the Ravens pick you need 324 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: to be able to do is block um and but 325 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: but and I think you always want that though with 326 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: receivers because it shows a level of competitiveness from them. 327 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: So you get if you're watching receiver and he's whipping 328 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: somebody's but block and that's a good thing I meant, 329 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard not to like that. You know, 330 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: he may not be as good as the receivers you'd like, 331 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: but at the guys competing and block in and helping 332 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: his teammates, So it just shows a level of competitiveness 333 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: and care. Um. So we want that from our receivers. 334 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: We don't, you know, And I think we've always liked that, 335 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, But I think now with our run game 336 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and the way we run the ball, it's definitely a huge, 337 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: huge asset to have, right. It does the Chiefs model, 338 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: and of course we have our unique model, and nobody 339 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: wants the best with that. After the year we had 340 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: on offense, the Chiefs lined up a track, a glorified 341 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: track team out there, you know, with speed. Obviously we 342 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: already have speed with Marquis, but this is the way 343 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: the Chiefs did it at all influence. You know, Hey, 344 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: we need speed, speed, speed and speed out there, and 345 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: we need guys you can block. But the game now 346 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: is about speed. Yeah, I think. I think as it's 347 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: spread out over the years, I think we've seen that. 348 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: I think everyone's seen that. If you can get a 349 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: lot of speed out there on the field, it it 350 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: opens up your run game too, you know. I mean, 351 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: if teams are worried about you having three guys that 352 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: can run by them, they're gonna put more guys over 353 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: the top and leave some guys underneath open. You can't 354 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: you can't swing that safety or to Marquis side. And 355 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: another guy said right, right, and so and and but 356 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, and like I think last year we did 357 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: it by getting drafted Marquis and boy, can you know 358 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: they're they're they're fast players, you know, so um so 359 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: I think we'll continue to do it. You know, I don't. 360 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: You don't steer away from a guy because he's not fast. 361 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: You're not You're not afraid of taking a four or five, 362 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: five for six receiver if he can catch and knows 363 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: how to get open and that shows spatial feel and awareness, 364 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: you know. But if you can take in another explosive 365 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: speed guy, that's just one more fast guy. I mean, 366 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: we're all already pretty fast on offense. Another one would 367 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: be fun. Yeah. So many years, you know, we've had 368 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: to ask you the tough question of what's the deal 369 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: at wide receiver? It's been our achilles heel is the 370 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: only position where we haven't drafted. It's like excellent, you know, 371 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,239 Speaker 1: over the years. Then last year hit on Marquis Brown. Right, 372 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: what lessons did you guys learn from that pick? What 373 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: did Marquise teach you or or what part of the 374 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: process that you had in drafting wide receivers last year? 375 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: Did what lessons you take for that that applied to 376 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: this year and moving forward. Well, I think, I mean 377 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: the things that marquees one. You looked at his competitiveness. 378 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: The biggest knock on Marquis is obviously a size, Right, 379 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: That's the first thing everyone jumps on, Right, he's small. 380 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I had a friend of mine who coaches 381 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: in college. I won't name his name because he's a friend. 382 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: He called me up and he asked me, you know, so, 383 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: now we take five ft six you know, it's a 384 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: hundred forty five pound whiteouts in the first round, Like 385 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: number one he's a hundred and seventy. Number two he's 386 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: five ten, and number three. Watch him, all right, just 387 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: watch him and do My favorite called me back after 388 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: you watch him. So he called me back and he's like, 389 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: you're right, that guy's good. You know. It's like, you know, 390 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: what's he do. He knows how to get open, he 391 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: knows he's got to feel like, he knows he's able 392 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: to read. And that's the biggest thing. For a while, 393 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: it's like the hardest thing they have to transition to 394 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: the NFL. Defenses are faster than much faster than college defenses, 395 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: and that's probably the biggest difference on the field, like alignment. 396 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: You know, they're big, strong in college, most of them, 397 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: but man, those deeper they're they're smarter and faster in 398 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: the NFL and defense. So you've got to be able 399 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: to adjust mentally just as much as you have to 400 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: adjust physically. And I think that's one of the things 401 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: that guys that struggle coming into the NFL, Guys that 402 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: struggle with that position, is adjusting mentally. And I think 403 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: with Marquise, he had a really high level of football 404 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: knowledge and just football actmen, and and you just the 405 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 1: the instinct as a receiver and you see it and 406 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: it's just his vision, his feel you can see things. Um. 407 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: And then obviously his hands are excellent, you know, I mean, 408 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: you guys see it. I mean he makes them. I 409 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: mean that catching in the playoff game was crazy, crazy 410 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: and uh and you you don't you don't expect you know, 411 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: little guys to make those wild catches, you know, and 412 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: so um, but you know, I think that's the model, 413 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, going forward. You know, if we can get 414 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: another guy like Marquise, and obviously the bigger the better, 415 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: but they don't all have to be big, right If 416 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: they can still be impact players at a smaller size. 417 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: So um, but really it's it's the the feel. The 418 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: guys that have the feel. And again, like I said, 419 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: you don't have to be four or four. You don't 420 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: have to be four or three to have that. There's plenty. 421 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean An Kwon Bolden was one of the best, 422 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: right he ran four seven something coming out like it's 423 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: just he but he just had that short area side 424 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: this and a great feel through the defense. So you know, 425 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: the guys that know how to get open to how 426 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: to get open, whether they're fast or slow. So can 427 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: we rattle off some names to get a short uh 428 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: snippet on them? Or do you want to do that 429 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: aclete combine in which you're locking yourself into doing a 430 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: second edition of the We can do that afterwards. Okay, okay, 431 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: we'll lock you in. This locks you in. Yeah, I'll 432 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: tell you what. I'll definitely lock in if it's you 433 00:21:49,200 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: and Garge. This is my name's on the door, all right, 434 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: Cliff him hit him? Was some linebacker questions here. There's 435 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: a few guys already being linked or people think that 436 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: Ravens might just just so throw out a couple of 437 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: these Zack bad from Wisconsin. Yeah. You know, he's a 438 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: versatile guy who's just who can play outside and inside, 439 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: got good size, had a good week down to Senior Bowl. UM. 440 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: Anxious see how he does out there at the combine. 441 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: But you like his versatility. He's played both inside and 442 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: outside there at Wisconsin and UM and just a really 443 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: productive player for him. Gritty, tough guy, you know, and 444 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: very intelligent, which is important at that position. I'll give you, 445 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: I'll give you one more. We'll go one more guy 446 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: at outside linebacker. Can this guy have a more Raven's 447 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: name seriously than Terrell Lewis? Right? That works, right, He's 448 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: got everything Terrell Ray you know Alabama? Right, Yeah, Yeah, 449 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: he's had a nice senior year, had a good week 450 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: down there in Mobile too, he was at Senior Bowl 451 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: and UM. But he's a he's a good kid who's 452 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: been productive there at Alabama. And they think really highly 453 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: of him down there, which they think highly of most 454 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: of their players. UM, and obviously we have thought highly 455 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: other players. UM. But you know he's a guy. Can 456 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: he can get he's got and get after the past 457 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: or really long, UM, athletic kid. I think he'll run 458 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: pretty good but he's so he's one of those guys 459 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: that so long like he can cover the ground. It 460 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: doesn't you know, when you watch him get to the quarterback, 461 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: come off the edge, and outside linebacker, is it it 462 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: seems like there's a ton of options there too, right, 463 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: Like it's just I'll step back, does it? Does it 464 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: seem like this this class just fits well with our 465 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: needs wide receiver, outside linebacker, pass strusher, like front seven. 466 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: It just seems like there's a lot of players that 467 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: our positions in need. There are there are, But again, 468 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: the draft's gotta fall for you too, right. I Mean 469 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: like there's been years where, like I swear to God, 470 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: we went into the draft saying we're going to take defense, 471 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: We're going to get a defensive player, and we've taken 472 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: nothing but offense, you know. And then we've gone through 473 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: draft where you know, and it's funny because we normally 474 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: do it whenever we have a new coordinator at that position, 475 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, on that side of the ball. It's it's 476 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: last year. It was probably you know, the first time 477 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: we didn't. But historically, I remember, I can think of 478 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: the years where we sat in there and whether it 479 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: was Gary or Trustman and it's like all defense and 480 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: where we got you feel, we gotta we gotta take 481 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: we gotta take an offensive guy here, you know, yeah, 482 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: he's sitting over there. So but the draft does have 483 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: to fall for you. Like we've gone into the draft 484 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: like we're definitely gonna and all of a sudden, the 485 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: defensive guys are gone, like all right, we'll take the 486 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: offensive player. So um, but it just it just really 487 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: depends on how it falls. But yes, it looks good 488 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: right now outside yourself. Yeah, yeah, all the positions that 489 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: where you say, oh, the Ravens need you know, but 490 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, you say, we don't need a corner, but 491 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: there's some really good corners out there, and you always 492 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: need corners. You guys historically have done really good job 493 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: with pass rushers, not necessarily high draft picks, finding guys 494 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: who need to get there. Obviously, if that happened this 495 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: year would be great. You know, Um, is there a 496 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: key to to doing that? And I guess what do 497 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: you look for when you're looking at the pass rusher. 498 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: You may not be obviously the guys that like twenty 499 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: sacks in college. What are some of the qualities you 500 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: guys look for in the well, I think I think 501 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: like when you talk about like a guy and when 502 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: we've we've had a few that haven't panned out to UM, 503 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: which you always take personally, you know, UM, when they 504 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: when they don't UM. But I think when you look 505 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: at the guys that have been successful for us recently 506 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: and you know it was Zadarius and and um, the 507 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: thing they can do is finish all right and don't 508 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: like it's there. And neither of those guys are the 509 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: four or five guy off the edge, right. And I 510 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: think with our system and if you look at our 511 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: historical recently, I guess our pass rush, our guys can 512 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: go through you, and they can go through they have 513 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: the power. There are guys are bigger pass rushers, are 514 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: not the six pounds speed guy off the edge. They 515 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: because they gotta be able to set an edge too. 516 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: They gotta be able to play the run. So we're 517 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: looking for a unique guy, UM, you know that everyone 518 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: may not be necessarily looking for. And so I think 519 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: it helps us in a in a way that hey, 520 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: this is our type of edge guy. UM. But the 521 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: thing that they've they showed in college is they can finish, 522 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: and they can finish through contact they can get to 523 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: the top of the rush and power through or dip 524 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: their hips and get around the corner like play through contact. 525 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: You've gotta be able to play through contact in this 526 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: league at that position, because those tackles are so good, 527 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna get their hands on you. Now, if you 528 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: have elite speed, you can beat them, you know, but 529 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: it's hard. Those elite speed guys aren't really sitting there 530 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: when you're picking, right, you know, so um Vall Miller 531 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: is gonna go in the top five every year, you know, 532 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: whoever will not be there? Yeah, I mean, I mean 533 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: like Chase, young guys that can you know, those guys 534 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: are hard to get outside the top five. So you've 535 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: got to find guys that know how to finish. And again, 536 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: maybe they could be so skilled with their hands and 537 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: their feet. Maybe they're not as big, but they have 538 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: they know how to get off the blocks or avoid 539 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: the blocks and get around it. Or you get guys 540 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: like Matt and z who were able to just really 541 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: go through half demands we call it, or or just 542 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: go right down the middle of the guy and knock 543 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: them back and then come off late and finish, you know, 544 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: get their hands on the quarterback knock the ball out. Um. 545 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: So there's an instinct, a finishing instinct that those guys have, 546 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: and that's you know what we've what we identified in 547 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: Then you know, Matt needed development in the sense of 548 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: being from Grand Valley, and but he also had potential. 549 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, he put up with twenties some saxes last year. 550 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Crazy production. Uh. Inside linebacker another position of need. And 551 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: I think the most popular mock draft so far have 552 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: been Kenneth Murray and Patrick Queen. Can you give us 553 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: a little bit on each of those guys and maybe 554 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: how they compare to each other. Yeah. Well, it's funny 555 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: because you can almost like say they're similar and one 556 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: is bigger than the other, but you know, a couple 557 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: of inches and inch and a half. But they're really fast, 558 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: active football players that fly around. They're athletic. I mean 559 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: you see them on film, like you just because they're fast. 560 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: You know, they run really well. They have it's hard 561 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: to get a perfect linebacker. They all you know, they 562 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: all have their flaws. You know, they have their flaws, 563 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: each of them independently. Um. But the one thing that's 564 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: consistent about both those guys is you see that you 565 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: see the sideline to sideline range from both of those guys, 566 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: right right. Has the demands of the position changed in 567 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: side linebacker? I mean, it's not the downhill thumper anymore. 568 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, everybody wants that athletic sidelines to sideline. Not 569 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: that people wanted that before, but there just seems to 570 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: be more of these guys who are almost like a 571 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: little bit bigger, strong safeties, really fast, can cover the 572 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: tight ends all that. There's a lot of coverage responsibilities. Yeah, 573 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: has that changed? And it seems like there's a lot 574 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: more of those kind of guys in the draft now? 575 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah, I mean I guess yeah, because again, 576 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: teams passed more in college, they passed more of the 577 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: pro So you need guys that can cover, um, but 578 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: you need guys that can play downhill to you really do. 579 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you've gotta be able to stop, to run 580 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: still and you know, and I think it shows, you 581 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: know against us. Yeah, yeah, you gotta come downhill and 582 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: hit hit the guy in the mouth. You know, you've 583 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: gotta be able to do it, and so um, you know, 584 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't think, well, it's great to get a guy 585 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: that can run and be athletic. You better be able 586 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: to diagnose the run and play downhill, because if you can't, 587 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna have as much value in this defense. 588 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, So, Um, I think you know, I think 589 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: that's still a very important quality. Now, you again, you 590 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: love the athletes and the guys that can run, but 591 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: you've gotta be smart, tough, and instinctive and that at 592 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: that position. Still that is not a that's that's not 593 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: something you want to compromise on that position. We're all waiting, 594 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, to hear from Marshall as far as what 595 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna do, whether he's gonna come back or Hall 596 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: of fame. In my opinion, if how does that affect 597 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: you guys right now when you're thinking about offensive line 598 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: and now is the guard class overall this year as 599 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: far as it's this draft, Um, you know, i'd tell 600 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: you offensive line in general is pretty good. Um. And 601 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: then when you when you look at offensive line, and 602 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: if you remember, you may not Marshall is a tackle 603 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: in college. So we don't necessarily look at guards and 604 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: say this guy is gonna be a guard force. We 605 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: look at tackles to and say this guy could play 606 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: guard force. So I always feel like it moves a 607 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: spot in if you're into the guard, you're really looking 608 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: at of the center. Maybe tackle the guard gardens center 609 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: to be a tackle tackle from college. Yeah, so it does. 610 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: But some guys can't move inside this because that position. 611 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: It happens faster in there, all right. So if you're 612 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: sitting there, yeah, you just gotta be able to react. 613 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: You react, your your mental aptitude inside. You gotta be 614 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: able to just really react fast because you've got a 615 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: guy the end. I mean, you've got the end tackle. 616 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: There's a little more spacing there, you know. And at 617 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: at guard man you got that three technique literally lined 618 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: up over your hat, you know, And so you've got 619 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: to be able to go um and then god forbid, 620 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: you got some twists and all that. It's it just 621 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: it gets on you faster. So um, when you project 622 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: the guy inside, you've gotta be able to project that 623 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to handle it and you And 624 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: there's plenty of guys that we read in that draft 625 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: room that we say, I don't think he can play guard. 626 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he can react quick 627 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: enough inside the car um. So but that being said, 628 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: there is depth when you combine, the guy the tackles 629 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: that we think can move inside to guard and then 630 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: obviously the guards itself. So um, but yeah, it's a 631 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a projection to a degree, but not really. 632 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: It's we see him as kind of interchangeable if we 633 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: feel they can do it. But there's there are guys 634 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: that we say, Nope, we don't think you can do it. 635 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: You know how much this scur is knee injury effect. 636 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: The way you guys are looking at center and the 637 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: need there in your opinion, Um, you know, I think 638 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: I think one. I think Pat did a phenomenal job 639 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: step in all right and and played like an NFL starter. 640 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: He did not play like a backup. He played like 641 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: an NFL starter, And um, I think we did a 642 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: great job getting him. And I think we knew. It's 643 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: funny because John mentioned it in one of his UH 644 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: press conferences about like the scouts missed on him. Well, 645 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: our scouts didn't, alright, I can promise you that we 646 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: knew the process. Like we knew he didn't go to 647 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: the combine, didn't go to an All Star game. That 648 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: was that. That's and I give Eric a ton of 649 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: credit for that. Like he Pat McCarry was sitting on 650 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: our board as a draftball player, and we could have 651 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: taken him at any point, all right, but we knew 652 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: he was under He was under the radar, which is 653 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: hard to be now, right, Bart Scott was the last 654 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: guy that we got under the radar, you know. So, 655 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: um but we felt like Pat was when we signed him. 656 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: We knew like we knew he was going to make 657 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: the team, you know, some form of action and um, 658 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: so I thought he did a great job. And that's 659 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: a guy who it's hard to project. The last time 660 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: he played center was in high school. But you knew 661 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: he didn't You knew he did it. And uh, he 662 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: was not a tackle because he was he's not tackle length. 663 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: You know, he could go out and play tackle. You know, 664 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: he could do it. And we we wrapped him in 665 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: the last game just to get just to get some 666 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: reps out there for hey, let's get him a series 667 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: or two out there, just to get because he's gonna 668 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: make her roster and he's going to be an active 669 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: guy because he can snap the ball, and let's get 670 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: him some tackle reps in case he's got to go 671 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: into the game and play. So you know, um, but yeah, 672 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: so scarre going down, Yeah, you know you you I 673 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: don't know if it's because he got hurt, but you're 674 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: always looking at centers. I think that's a key position 675 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: for your offense. And so, um, we definitely pay. We've 676 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: definitely focused on it, but probably not anymore this year 677 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: than any other year. I think it's always a strong 678 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: focus centers. All right, we'll let you go on this one, 679 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: but I gotta finish with You know, Garrett has a 680 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: bad habit of blowing through his per diem while he's 681 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: at the combine, you know, you know, probably the culprit 682 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: here set Almos and almost garis Killiams. You cannot stay 683 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: on budget at scene, almost cannot you Can you confirm this? Yeah, 684 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: I'm looking to get him in trouble year. And of 685 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: course you're just saying almost. Yeah, no, dude, you're getting 686 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: the big burger. They have a burger saying almost, it's 687 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: like a sake sized burger who goes to sing Alimos 688 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: and gets a burger. People who are looking to stay 689 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: on per diem, that's saying, Oh, I'm telling I'm telling 690 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: everybody out there in corporate up in finance, Jim Cohler 691 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: is getting an email from me that you can't do that. 692 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm happy because no matter how much I spend, I 693 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: know will spend more. I'll tell you a funny story 694 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: like talking about saying almost. Trust me, I know you 695 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: can't stay on budget because I reward our young guys 696 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 1: every year, all right. I take him out the scene 697 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: almost because they they're grinding. They're up at four o'clock 698 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: in the morning waiting in line to get the seats 699 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: with the way ds and they're getting there. I mean 700 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: they're run around. They're getting all the interviews lined up 701 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: for the coaches or doing our interviews there. They don't sleep. 702 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a tough job, all right, and so on Sunday 703 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: it used to be Sunday nights. I don't know why 704 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: I'll do it this year. I may not do because 705 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: they blow the budget. They take them out saying almost 706 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: for a dinner, and don't I don't again, I won't 707 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: name names because I'm not that type of guy. But 708 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: one year we go in there and so it's like, 709 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: all right, get yourself a stake, all right, get get 710 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: over by it's fifty eight dollars or whatever it is, 711 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: maybe a sixty four. I don't know, but it's get there. 712 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: You gotta have the shrimp cocktail because it right. So 713 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: we're going there one year and you know, guy were 714 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: to surf and turf. I'm like Jesus so much for 715 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: spend it like at your money. Treat it like at 716 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: your money surfing cocktails. So so that happens, and I 717 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: literally gave him crap for years. And I actually the 718 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: year he ordered of the cow you can't come back 719 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: next year. You're not invited anymore. So I told him 720 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: he's not invited. Well, last year I have we I 721 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: take the guys out and one of the guys it 722 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: wasn't intentional, but he got up sold, all right. So 723 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: he orders a ribbi, all right, and I think they 724 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: had like a dry aged ribbi versus a regular ribbi. 725 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: And then they had the cowboy RIBI al right, the 726 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: cowboy or the bone in you know, the ax handle arby. 727 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: So and that was the dry age, that's what it was. 728 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: So he orders the ribbi. There's three ribbis, alright, So 729 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: he orders the middle ribbi, which is fine. You know, 730 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: it's maybe seventy all right, So I hear mortar, all right, 731 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: and so then the waiter, would you like the dry 732 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: aged one? And he was well, he's like yeah, so 733 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: but he sees like one versus two. He's not even 734 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: looking at the specials. He's not looking at the axe handle. 735 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: So he's like, yeah, okay, that's the better one that 736 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: I think that. So he's thinking he's getting a seventy 737 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: dollar one. I thought you were the seventy dollar one. 738 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: And then that bad boy comes out and I see 739 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: the axe hand I'm like, some of the gun just 740 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: ordered a hundred five dollars literally, it's amazing. So I'm like, 741 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: I can't put this one through, you know, yeah, you know. 742 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: So it's like you know, but it's I'm like, so 743 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: it got back to the other guy who I kicked out. Yeah, 744 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: you're you're getting on me. I heard you had an 745 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 1: axe handle over and by word last night, Yeah, you 746 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: will blow the budget out at saying almost long story 747 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: to get to that, you know, act handles not invited 748 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: this year's Yeah, the acx handles out. I mean I 749 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: told him, I was like, I'm not after the next 750 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: day after I'm like, i think I'm gonna have to 751 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: cancel the dinner. The way you guys are so it's 752 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: a hard place, man. I mean it's yeah great and 753 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: it's phenomenalos stakes are excellent. I feel like this is 754 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: a commercial for saying almost yeah, a little free now, 755 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a fun place, it's a it's 756 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: a good place to go finish the combine app But 757 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna be able to do 758 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: this because the workouts are at night. So oh boy 759 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: can get out. That means garrets out too, he's out 760 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: to all right, Joe, Well, thank you so much, appreciate it, 761 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,959 Speaker 1: pure alright, we'll really good stuff. The Ravens are gonna 762 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: be I joke, you know, working hard in air quotes, 763 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: but they are gonna be working hard in Indianapolis. This 764 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: is a really important draft for the Ravens when you 765 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: go fourteen and two, like Joe was saying, and we 766 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of talent on the roster. Well that 767 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: also adds a little pressure to get over the hump, right, 768 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: No question, Ravens have a young team, but you're always 769 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: looking for talent. You always can't have too much. Ye 770 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: and uh so what would you say, Cliff before we 771 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: wrap this up? If you're saying the Ravens top need 772 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: right now, not knowing what's gonna happen with Judan, not 773 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: knowing Marshall's future, what are you looking at? I'd say 774 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: pass Rusher just becase I do, just because they're so valuable. 775 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: When you hit on one, it's so important. And yeah, 776 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: whether Judan state is or not. If Judan's here, have 777 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: somebody a book and pass Rusher and then you have 778 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: Ferguson developing. Obviously, if Judon is not here, becomes a 779 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: bigger pridor prior and you can create ways of to 780 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: put pressure on the quarterback. But to have that guy 781 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: who can handle his man one on one and you 782 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: don't have to blitz with the secondary to Ravens have 783 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: adding another pass rusher, Yeah, I would still say that 784 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: number one. And what do you most excited to see 785 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: out in Indie? I don't here are so much about 786 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: these wide receivers. I love last year. I love looking 787 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: to and kind of comparing them. You know, marquees you 788 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: know who didn't even you know, couldn't even run there, 789 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: but yet you know, seeing what he was all about, 790 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: and then you know, obviously Metcalf blew up the combine 791 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: last year. I think it's probably gonna be one or 792 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: two guys like that this year, and there's so many 793 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: of them, and that's another position the Ravens haven't really 794 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: hitting their desire to add a wide receiver. I think 795 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: I'll come back with a much more clear picture of, Okay, 796 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: what these guys can do, what they might look like 797 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: playing with Lamar. I think it's gonna be fun to 798 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: watch this wide receiver class. I can't remember, Cliff, what 799 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: was your impression Marquis Hollywood Brown coming out the combine 800 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: and entering the draft? Actually you do remember quite well. 801 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: What did you think of him? I was really worried 802 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,720 Speaker 1: about his time. Really all right, it's on the record. 803 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I mean, watch him on film, 804 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: you couldn't help but be impressed. But when you're taking 805 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: the account that this is college, he's going to be 806 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: in the NFL, they're gonna be looking for a wide 807 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: receiver who you know, blocks too. And then he was 808 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: coming off an injury, but his signs I had never 809 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: seen a I receiver a top wide receiver prospect. That's small, 810 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: but that just goes to show you what kind of 811 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: player he is. He's Mark. He's has been hearing this 812 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: his whole life. This was it was new for me, 813 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't new for him. And I knew he was fast. 814 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 1: I also knew he could change direction. Well. I did 815 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: not gonna get better at that once he gets healthy. Yeah, 816 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: I did not know Mark's hands were as good as 817 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: they are. And I really didn't know how well he 818 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: tracks the ball when it's in the air. I'm amazed 819 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: there were like three or four catches he made this 820 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: year that when the ball is in the air. I'm like, 821 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: he's not going to be able to get to that, 822 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: and he got to it. He has a he has 823 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: a gift at that. So I didn't know how talented 824 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: he was. So yes, Markey's I think I've told him, 825 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: but listen to this. Markey's I'm telling everybody. I doubted 826 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: you and you made me believe. I like it. I 827 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: like it. I forgot to bring this up with Jail. 828 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: I told him he was gonna draft Marks Brown, Okay, 829 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: I said, now, Garret, I on the record, we're both 830 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: a J. Brown fans. He had he had pretty good 831 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: Rick year too. But I told Joe in last year's podcast, 832 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: I think our second one with him, I said, we 833 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: like a J. Brown but you're gonna draft Marquis Brown. 834 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: And what he said, do you remember. I don't think 835 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: he wanted to tip his hands too much. I think 836 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: he said, okay, okay, alright, alright, alright, so uh, yes, 837 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: well it did, it did. I'm excited to see some 838 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: of these outside linebackers. And there's two inside linebackers that 839 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: we talked about already, uh you know, go up against 840 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: each other, Patrick Queen and Kenneth Murray. I'm excited to 841 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: see some of this because, like I said, I think 842 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be front seven first round. That's my prediction 843 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: right now. I don't think it's gonna be wide receiver first. 844 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: I think it's wide receiver second third. So I'm excited 845 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: to see which of those linebackers stand out and what 846 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: looked Who looks like they're a good fit for the Ravens. Well, 847 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: what it be inswing two? Okay, after the combine, is 848 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: one clearly ahead of the other, number one and then 849 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: number two? If they both look good, will they both 850 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: be gone? It's almost like he kind I want one 851 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 1: of them to just do Okay, if you really think 852 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: he's a good player, yeah, don't don't show anybody how 853 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: good exactly exactly, so make sure you tune in for that. 854 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna have tons of coverage coming out of Indianapolis. 855 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: Cliff will be breaking it all down from the written perspective. 856 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: Garrett of course doing his on video thing. Eric de 857 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: Costa talks Tuesday morning at We'll be live streaming that 858 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: from Indianapolis on our website and on Facebook. Uh, so 859 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: make sure you tune in for that, and as always, 860 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: leave a rating and review for the Lounge podcast. We 861 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: appreciate that gets us, uh exposes us to a wider audience. 862 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: So we really appreciate that. And we will be back 863 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: with you. Not next week, because I'm not going to Indie. 864 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually going to you know, take a little 865 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,439 Speaker 1: Jamaican something something like that, something like I get something 866 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: click and Garrett hold it down. But I want to 867 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: say that. We'll leave it at that, but tune in 868 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: for the Lounge of the following week and I'll be 869 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,919 Speaker 1: back because also be on my phone. I'll be paying 870 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: attention and break it all down for you. Thanks for listening.