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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. It's talking to Death.

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Speaker 3: No, you need a mic, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, that's actually kind of funny that that proves that

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Speaker 1: it's been that.

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Speaker 2: I've had a couple weeks off.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while, I.

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Speaker 1: Had my first big goof. Let me just run that back.

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Speaker 1: It's talking to death, but it's twenty twenty four. The

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Speaker 1: thing about twenty twenty four is I felt like it

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Speaker 1: was already twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: I think we were all ready for twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: to be over. It's it went on too long, right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a tired joke the whole Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen for two, Like that.

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Speaker 2: Was so long ago.

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Speaker 1: It's like I just stopped counting, and you call it

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Speaker 1: twenty four, call it twenty five, whatever. But we're here now.

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Speaker 1: It's a brand new year. We're all gonna create these

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Speaker 1: goals and never see them through. Everyone's gonna stay unhealthy

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Speaker 1: and broke. Just I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We're all gonna

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Speaker 1: win this year. I'm excited to be back on Talking

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Speaker 1: to Death and I have a guest today.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying this.

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Speaker 1: He's arguably one of the most badass people I've ever met,

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Speaker 1: and he has all the credits to back it up.

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Speaker 2: How would you describe this person?

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Speaker 3: I've been working with him for I don't know a

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Speaker 3: little while for sure, for the podcast he hosts. But

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Speaker 3: he's awesome. He's also super cool, very cool, down earth,

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Speaker 3: chill guy.

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Speaker 2: Would you want to get in a fight with him,

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Speaker 2: get in a.

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Speaker 3: Boxing ring with him? Yeah, you know, I'd give it

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Speaker 1: This guy would knock me out so fast. If he's

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Speaker 1: hearing this, he's probably cracking up. We have another Tenderfoot

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Speaker 1: TV podcast called Downrange, and he hosts this show and

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Speaker 1: it's basically a bunch of different stories from people who

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Speaker 1: are in the Special Forces and they have the most insane,

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Speaker 1: extraordinary tales to tell you, and it's all first person

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Speaker 1: and we've really kind of taken you there and created

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Speaker 1: the ground with them as they tell these insane stories.

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Speaker 1: So his name's Remy Adeleike, and he has the most

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Speaker 1: incredible story. I don't even want to spoil too much

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Speaker 1: own words how he started and where he is today

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Speaker 1: is special and I think we could all learn something

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Speaker 1: from it. Remy is a writer, author, TV personality, military

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Speaker 1: consultant for some of the bigg action movies you've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: This is Michael Bay's go to dude. He helps Michael

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Speaker 1: he's just inspirational. And I don't say that about a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. I sometimes find myself getting annoyed these

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Speaker 1: days with every single person on the internet telling you

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Speaker 1: If you want to just look at somebody and listen

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Speaker 1: to somebody who truly has an inspirational story and has

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Speaker 2: Person for me.

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Speaker 1: He's the kind of person if you're in the same

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely hilarious. I wanted to really go there. I

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Speaker 1: wanted the real deal story. How did you get here?

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Speaker 1: And he goes into detail about coming from the streets

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Speaker 1: of New York and being the ultimate badass in Hollywood today,

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Speaker 1: and it reminds you that shit, as corny as it sounds,

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Speaker 1: anything's possible. And if you don't think that, then go

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Speaker 1: listen to this guy's interview, and then you might think

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Speaker 1: differently because you got it in you See. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to sound like, yeah, I'm not embodying.

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Speaker 2: This guy, but he's right, he's but he's right though.

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Speaker 1: As the thing, we met in La and we sat

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Speaker 2: It's called Camillia. Oh there it is there, it is

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Speaker 3: So this one's fiction. He has another book that's like

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Speaker 2: And that's that's the real deal. Shit.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, this guy is a whole lot of fun. I

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Speaker 1: and I know for a fact you're gonna love this interview.

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Speaker 1: And if you do, which I know you will, please

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Speaker 1: go check out our new podcast called down Range, which

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Speaker 1: is available right now. You can bend the whole thing

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Speaker 1: and he hosts this podcast. You won't regret it. It's

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Speaker 1: Our sound designer Cooper went extra in all the editors here,

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Speaker 1: you included you everybody. They really busted their ass and

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Speaker 1: made a cinematic experience and brought these stories to life.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thrilled for you to meet Remy, the

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Speaker 1: real Remy behind the curtain without further ado.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what episode is this? Shit? This is? This is

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Speaker 2: what happened?

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Speaker 1: You take two weeks off, it's a brand new year

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Speaker 1: and you forget who you are.

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Speaker 3: Well, the calendar doesn't say so, it's yeah.

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Speaker 2: All I know is it's twenty twenty four. What is today? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Are you sure about that? It's like one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Remy at a lake. You're gonna love this. Cheers, So, Remy, yo,

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Speaker 2: what's up? What's up? Man?

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Speaker 4: Me on bro, we're rocking the glasses? Yeah, he sunny

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, of all the people that I know, personally,

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Speaker 4: It means to be someone who will get knocked down

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Speaker 4: and it all, and it all starts up here.

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Speaker 4: When a lot of people think of Navy seals, they

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Speaker 1: It was all I mean, there's people flying in all

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Speaker 4: So what'd that do? He went, he started fighting the government,

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Speaker 2: It's like Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: So clearly your dad was right with it's forward thinking

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Speaker 2: So what is that? What does that do to you? Well?

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Speaker 4: There were you know, there was murders, all kinds of

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Speaker 4: Well, my mom, I would say, my mom. She did

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Speaker 2: Sure you know.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, I started out slow stealing, going into bodega's,

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Speaker 4: Job just like the other school, the other other kids.

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Speaker 4: such and such company. My identifier as X, y Z whatever.

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00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: And they was like, okay, what what what name and address?

439
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 4: What information you have for us? And what does this

440
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 4: customer want? Oh they want three phones? Oh cool, So

441
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: I give it to them. Today would activate and I

442
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 4: would have the phones. I would get the boxes of

443
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 4: the phones, because this company would provide the boxes of

444
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 4: the phones, and I would and once so once the

445
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 4: line of phones were approved, then I would get a

446
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 4: I would give them the serial number that was on

447
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: the code, send it to them, and then they would

448
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 4: activate the phone and was all legit.

449
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: So you would just sell these active. I would sell

450
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: these phones that they would call blowg phones.

451
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 4: I would sell them to drug dealers, burn phones basically

452
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: yeap burner phones and blog phones. I would sell them

453
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 4: to drug dealers and I would sell them to friends

454
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 4: and family and drug dealers like them. Because the phones

455
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 4: would stay off up to ninety days. Yeah, so you

456
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: had so after the first thirty days, a customer would

457
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 4: get a bill. Then they had to the sixty day

458
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 4: mark to pay that bill, and if it wasn't paid, they.

459
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: Would notice for like three months.

460
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 4: What you're saying, well, I got hit to the game

461
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: and I would get people's information who was in hospice.

462
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just going unnoticed, going to note say,

463
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: like wouldn't they say, hey, this guy activated three phones

464
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: unless you didn't notice that.

465
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 4: Well, I was smart about it too, where I would

466
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: have like legitimate customers, but then I would also have

467
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: like a quote of like how many illegitimate customers I had,

468
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, as long as

469
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: I had a signature, nobody knows whose signature it is.

470
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: But as long as I had a signature, hey, this

471
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 4: person wanted to get the phone. They just didn't pay

472
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: their bill in ninety days in order to investigate all

473
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 4: of that YouTube like somebody would and again it's confused.

474
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 4: Wiped out of my favor was cell phones weren't like

475
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: this is not like it that way now, No, absolute,

476
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 4: it's not absolutely not. Everything was fresh back then. So

477
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 4: I was making crazy money. I was making up to

478
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 4: like ten grand a week damn cash. Yeah, I mean,

479
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: and and.

480
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: That's when I was like sell drugs. Nah, Why I

481
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: do that when this is less risky?

482
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 4: And on top of that, I was getting bonus checks

483
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: because at your legit job, at my legit job for

484
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: phones that I sold illegitimately double dippings, I was like

485
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 4: the salesman in the quarter, So why stop doing that?

486
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 2: Well you did stop? When'd you end up stopping? And

487
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: you know? I was that?

488
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: So I music was, as I mentioned earlier, was a

489
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: big part of me and a big influence on me.

490
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: So I got into the music game. So my goal

491
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 4: was to start a record company, which I did, started

492
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: a record company, got some artists.

493
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 2: I was using that money. I had an exit plan.

494
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: My exit plan was do what Jay.

495
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: Did, and and and Dame Dash and and and Biggs,

496
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 4: do the do the legal thing to get into the

497
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 4: music game. Once you get into the music game, then

498
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: from there you let that go and you go legit.

499
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 4: So that's what all the money was for. So I

500
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: was paying for studio time. I was me and my

501
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: artists were going down to Virginia and recording down there.

502
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: And also I was paying a producer down there to

503
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: make beats. I was paying for shows, gear for shows,

504
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, that's where all the money was

505
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 4: going to. And uh, fast forward, I ended up getting

506
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: into it. This is two thousand and one. December two

507
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: thousand and one. I sold a drug dealer a bunch

508
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: of phones. Now a backup for a second. When he

509
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: approached me, he wanted to buy bulk. He started out

510
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 4: as a customer where I would just sell one to

511
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: every ninety days. But then he saw how much money

512
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 4: I was making and then he was like, Yo, can

513
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 4: I buy like.

514
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: Twenty at a time? Do you flip yours?

515
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 4: So that he could flip so, because I was selling

516
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: them between five hundred and nine hundred a phone, and

517
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 4: now I was saying selling the time Port Motorola two

518
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 4: way pages, the great ones that were big at the time.

519
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 4: And so what I later found out is that he

520
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 4: would then in return double the price or add you know,

521
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: twenty five percent to the price and then sell them.

522
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: And when he approached me about it, I said, Noah.

523
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: Originally I was like, absolutely not. I'm not yea selling

524
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: you twenty phones. That's just crazy.

525
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: That's too I did because if I did that with you,

526
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: then I would have to pull I would have to

527
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: cut off a lot of like customers, that a lot

528
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: of my regulars, right, because I'm not going to activate

529
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: if the number of I was doing in the month

530
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: was twenty, which it wasn't, I'm not going to activate

531
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 1: forty phones, right, you know in one week. That's nuts, right,

532
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you know that's too hot. Now the risk is also

533
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: in his hands a little bit, but it went through

534
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: your hands. The risk is all in my hands right,

535
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: still in your hands, still on my hands, because that's

536
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: that's my license.

537
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: That I'm using.

538
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he goes off. He walked runs away scott free.

539
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: So it was more of a better deal for him.

540
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: For him, it was way safer for him. So I

541
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: said no, and then he kept on pressing, pressing. Finally

542
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, let's try this out and

543
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: sold them some phones and like a month later he

544
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: hit he like, doesn't just he knocks on my mom's

545
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: apartment door. I'm like, man, who's knocking them on? It's late,

546
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: it smeround Christmas. Open the doors him and he had

547
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 4: the phones and he was like, yo, the phones cut off.

548
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 4: And when he said that, like like he was like

549
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: in every threatened move had a gun under his waist

550
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 4: and everything He's trying to show it to me, like scamming.

551
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, what, but yeah, I was more petrified.

552
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 4: I didn't like, I knew I could deal with him.

553
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 4: I get him my money. That was an issue. I

554
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: was scared to death that I was going to go

555
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: to federal prison because there were some people in the

556
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: same kind of office I was working in that got caught.

557
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: The dude who put me onto it, he put other

558
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: people onto it, and they got caught and they were

559
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 4: getting charged.

560
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: And so you get this guy's running around knocking on

561
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: doors late at night. He was so yeah, So I'm

562
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: thinking the Feds are on to me.

563
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the first thing that Frank told me, and

564
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: obviously I'm changing the name, but the first thing Frank

565
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: told me when I got it, when he showed me

566
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: how to hustle this way with the phones, is you

567
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: get caught fat time. You get caught fat time. This

568
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: is a federal crime. This isn't no small claims. This

569
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 4: is a federal crime. And so that was the first

570
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: thing that popped in my head. And so I got

571
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: him his money, and then I was after that, I

572
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: was like, I'm done with all of this.

573
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: I kind of.

574
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: Created this, wrote a letter to the people in the

575
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: office I was working with, saying hey, I'm quitting. In

576
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: my naive mind, I figured that if I write this

577
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: letter and then they find out, yeah, and then uh

578
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: him off yeah yeah so and then so that was

579
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: kind of how it all.

580
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: And You're like, Okay, I'm about to lose everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

581
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: And I.

582
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 4: Could have lost my life. I could have lost my

583
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: life to him. I had the money because I was

584
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: making money.

585
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: I had the money. Gave him his money back. But

586
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: I could have lost my life.

587
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: And then I could have lost my life in the

588
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: sense of like literally but then also figuratively in this

589
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: and and by going to prison. And so that's when

590
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: I decided I'm done with everything. And again going back

591
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: to my mom and discipline. One thing, my mom was

592
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: spank me and my brother. Like she wasn't abusive, but.

593
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: Like my dad was spanking me.

594
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: Bro.

595
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, she would give it to me.

596
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: Bro.

597
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: She was like, yo, extension cords belts in your mind,

598
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: it made sense. And uh what that did for me.

599
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: Was that instilled in me this concept of consequences for actions.

600
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so I.

601
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: Knew at some point I'm gonna get there's gonna be

602
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: a consequence for these acts.

603
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: You can get in trouble, yeah, and see tride your actions.

604
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: And and so when that when that happened, the phones

605
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: cut off.

606
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: That was like a spanking.

607
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: And I didn't know what was gonna come of it,

608
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: but that was enough for me to say, Okay, a

609
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: consequence came, another one may can't come.

610
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: Then that's gonna be worse. So I'm done.

611
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: So if it wasn't for what my mom, those small

612
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: little things my mom instilled in me at a younger age,

613
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 4: I would have I would have continued on. And so

614
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: my mom taught me, hey, you better at some point

615
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: you are going to have to stop. And that was

616
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: instilled in me, and that's something that I try to

617
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: instill in my kids when it comes to stir, even

618
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: if it's something that simple is whining like you ain't

619
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 4: gonna na nah, you ain't about to.

620
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Wine because usually you're whining to get something, to get

621
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: what you want right, to get what you want usually,

622
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: but you need to know that that's not the response.

623
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: Right that you give that works less and less exactly,

624
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: and you're not going to get anything from it.

625
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: So you need to stop.

626
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: And I think that what that can morph into later

627
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: is people who are just they don't know how to

628
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: express their emotions and they have a breakdown when they

629
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: don't get what they want. Because before, whining is how

630
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: they were able to break down their parents. They learn

631
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: now they get into the real world and you can't

632
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: whine in the real world. So what do you have

633
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 4: a meltdown? You know what I'm saying, learn behavior that's unhealthy.

634
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.

635
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: So you you stop the fraud, you stop selling drugs,

636
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: and at some point along the line the Navy, you

637
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: join the navy.

638
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: And so why did you want to join the Navy?

639
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: It was because I finally realize, I said, if I

640
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: don't get out like I had, I had it.

641
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: I gave up all the.

642
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: Hustling and I was doing nothing for six months. And

643
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: I think what it bailed down to, there's a lot

644
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: more to the story. It's all in my book Transformed,

645
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: But what it really bailed down to was I felt stuck,

646
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: like I felt like I didn't want to go to

647
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 4: college because that was cheesy. My brother was in college

648
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: at the time. It was that again, it's talent. It's like, yeah, yeah,

649
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be I don't want to be a herb

650
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: that was that was like, you know, it's kind of

651
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: cheesy to you know, go to college and it's started

652
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: the books, and and then and then like be broke

653
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: and be struggling and like what am I going to

654
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: have to get girls?

655
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: And what am I going to have to get attention?

656
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: You know.

657
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: Another thing I'll back up for a second is the

658
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: reason why my fathers are important is because of affirmation.

659
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: Like every child needs to be a firm by both parents.

660
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: But I truly believe that a father's affirmation is very powerful.

661
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 4: But you didn't have that at a certain point. I

662
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: didn't have that after a certain point. And so I

663
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: say all that to say, when kids don't have get

664
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: that affirmation, they seek to get it from other places.

665
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: And so I want to say that the root of

666
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: why I did a lot of the things that I

667
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: did when they start starting out from stealing some chips

668
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: and some candy from the store to be able to

669
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: sell it.

670
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: So all these kids will be like.

671
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, yeah you were that was a firm,

672
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: but this guy's exactly yeah. Yeah, So affirmation, and then

673
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: that progressed to other things. And then when I got

674
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: to my late teens, now it's like, oh, I got

675
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: this money, I got this car. I'm driving a Lincoln Less,

676
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: brand new car, bought it off the lot. I'm still

677
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: in my teens, and girls are like, I'm getting affirmation.

678
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: My boys are like, yo, you the man, I'm getting affirmation.

679
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: And so that's one of the things that I was seeking.

680
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: You see, I mean, you see it even pro athletes,

681
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: I mean even music stars, you know what I mean,

682
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: like in the hip bomb industries, Like why why do

683
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: you need the diamond chain and all of this stuff?

684
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 4: I want to have made it exactly, but you also

685
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: you want people to affirm you.

686
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: I think that's something that's unconscious.

687
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: I think it's like yeah, deep down inside and and

688
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: so that was one of the reasons why I didn't

689
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: want to go to college, because I felt like everything

690
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: had been stripped from me financially, So how can I

691
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: be putting in a position to get affirmed?

692
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, I'm gonna look like

693
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: a bum, you know what I mean.

694
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: Like if I could be a Navy seal, like that

695
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: would be affirmation in a way, like the challenge of that. Well,

696
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: that was solely the reason why I didn't want to

697
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: go to college, okay, because that wasn't gonna work that way.

698
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 4: That wasn't gonna work that way. But what I what

699
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: what I had. I watched two movies that inspired me

700
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: to do the seal thing, and that one was Bad Boys,

701
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: because that was the first time I saw too black

702
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 4: characters who were heroes, but they were cool and they

703
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: were they seemed to me like they were me. Yeah,

704
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like the rappers that were me,

705
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: like Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, they were me. They

706
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: were cool, they got you know, Will was getting the girls. Martin,

707
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: you didn't have a daughter.

708
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I got a daughter to my youngest daughter to be

709
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: like that scene about is going to get there? It

710
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: is funny. That's a classic scene, classic class. It's so funny.

711
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: Michael Bay message me yesterday on Instagram because.

712
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: We really like he's what he started me out in

713
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 4: the industry, in the film and TV business.

714
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: He's consulting with Yeah, because military scenes and just how

715
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: the action and all that stuff.

716
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: That's a year he got me started in the film

717
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: and TV business. So very it's funny you bring that up.

718
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that was why I didn't want to

719
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 4: go to college. But I wanted to join the Navy

720
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 4: because that was like my only option. Like, I know,

721
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: it's weird, it's like, well, Colin Navy is still starting

722
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: at the bottom. But for some reason, Bad Boys was

723
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 4: like inspired me. But then The Rock is what really

724
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: inspired me because that was the first time I was

725
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 4: exposed to Davy seals. And you know when they I

726
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: don't know if you remember the movie, but they mean, yeah,

727
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: we watched it recently.

728
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the Navy Seals and they're going

729
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: on the underwater yeah, on the underwater vehicle and they

730
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: go it holds up, holds up completely.

731
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: But those were Navy Seals. It's snuff in that brand

732
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: that they got killed, but they were Navy Seals. And

733
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: like when I say they were actual Navy seals, they

734
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 4: weren't actors. Oh they were so Michael Bay used actual

735
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: Navy seals. So when they're moving through the sewers and

736
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 4: all that stuff, they're moving, the movements look clean because

737
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 4: they're actually really And so when I saw that movie,

738
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 4: I was like, dang. I was like, this was years

739
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: before I went to the Navy recruit. I was like,

740
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: if I ever turned my life around, that's what I'm

741
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: gonna do like but again it was like far fetched.

742
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: Were you scared at all? No?

743
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: No, So I went to the Navy recruiter. I was like,

744
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: when I went to the recruited I went to the

745
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: Marine Corps recruiters. First, he wasn't there. There's a whole

746
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 4: nother story there. But then I went to the Navy recruiters.

747
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: And that's what I wanted to do. I told the recruiter.

748
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to be a seal.

749
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: She laughed at me, and because I was super skinny,

750
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: and you know, the requirement, the requirements to be a

751
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: seal or are really high.

752
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 4: But you know, she she helped me get in the Navy.

753
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 4: And there's a long but again there's a lot more

754
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 4: to the story. But she ran my background, found that

755
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: I had two warrants out for my arrest. I had

756
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 4: a warrant in New York and wanting New Jersey. Didn't

757
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: know I had warrants. Well, she told me that I was.

758
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: I got arrested in the McDonald's. You know, I won't

759
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 4: give it away, but the stories of my.

760
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Book and then in your new book, my old book, okay,

761
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: and transform my memoir memoir.

762
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 2: But that that that new book commelely, that's that's it's

763
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: a thriller series. Cool.

764
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: But uh but yeah, and she instead of turning me in,

765
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: she took me to the judges advocate on my behalf.

766
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: Both judges expunged my record, and then she stuck me

767
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: into the Navy. And that was kind of how I

768
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 4: got in. She died two years later of autoimmune disease.

769
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: But but like, that was my angel. But that's just

770
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 4: looking at me. That's changed your life one hundred percent,

771
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: change the trajectory of my life.

772
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: You look at it like that.

773
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be where I'm at today without without what

774
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: you needed that I needed that I.

775
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Needed I'm gonna take a chance on you and help

776
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 2: you out.

777
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: And yeah, and then I needed that also. I needed

778
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: the I needed that risk. You know, God doesn't make mistakes.

779
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: I put myself in that position, and I truly believe

780
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 4: that God knew that I need this dude to be

781
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: in such a situation when he joins the military, that

782
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 4: he's going to act right when he and she took

783
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: such a huge risk on me by sneaking me into

784
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: the Navy and getting my record clear, that that's stuck

785
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: with me. You can let her down. To when I

786
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: was in boot camp, I was aj squared away. I

787
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: was like, I'm showing up on time. I'm folding my

788
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: stuff right, I'm not talking back. Even if somebody disrespects me,

789
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna come with that New York attitude. I'm

790
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: just gonna do it because I can't let her down

791
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: because if I let her, because if I get kicked

792
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: out of the Navy, then the reason why the Navy

793
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: didn't want me is going to be justified. Right, because

794
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: the Navy didn't want me because they figured, if this

795
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 4: dude has a record, this dude is going to get

796
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: into the military act of fool. She expunged my record,

797
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 4: hid that from the Navy to prove to the Navy,

798
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: if this guy makes it that other people behind him

799
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: should get the same opportunity. And so for me, it

800
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: was one of those things where I was I was

801
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: the tip of the spear as it relates to what

802
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: she did, and I couldn't screw it up, and I

803
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: had to make it to the top. I had to

804
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: to to make it in seal, into seal training and

805
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 4: through seal training and become a frogman so that I

806
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: could show the world that sometimes people just need a

807
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: second chance. Sometimes people just need a third chance, fourth chance.

808
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: Sometimes people just need to be willing to give themselves

809
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: a second chance. You know, why do they call them

810
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: frogmen because we were able to operate on the on

811
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: land and on the water in the water.

812
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: It's just literally just like the amphibious nature of the job.

813
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is or what was the hardest part about

814
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Navy seal training? Was there like a thing that stands

815
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: out We're like that one was pretty difficult for me.

816
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: It was a cold you know, it was just I

817
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of body fat, still don't have

818
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 4: much body fat. But it was really just being in

819
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: that cold water man at night when it's like fifty

820
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: fifty degrees forty five and Pacific oceans freezing cold, and

821
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: then you just laying there and instructors a waiting for

822
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: guys to quit. And then in hell week, they keep

823
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 4: you wet the entire time. They keep you cold and

824
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 4: wet the entire time.

825
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

826
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 4: And I could take the I could take the pull ups,

827
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 4: I could take the push up, I could take the

828
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 4: beat down sessions. I could take the old course that

829
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: runs all that stuff, But that cold water, and then

830
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 4: the two mile time ocean swim in the Pacific Ocean

831
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: with no body fat.

832
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: It's brutal.

833
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 4: I mean you got to the point where either I

834
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: was borderline hyperthermia or hypothermic at the end of at

835
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: the end of swims, I'm sure because of how cold

836
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 4: that order is in my lack of body fat. So

837
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: that was, uh, that was the hardest part for me.

838
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 4: I could take the name calling. I mean the New

839
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: York you know what I mean they call I mean,

840
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 4: they call you everything.

841
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Mean feeling uh uh.

842
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: You know, ship bag, I mean they called you everything

843
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 4: under the sun.

844
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: Dude, I mean turd, you know what I mean. Uh,

845
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, there's so many other ones. But yeah, they

846
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: lay to everybody.

847
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: Everybody gets gets a tongue lashing and uh some very

848
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: u articulate ways.

849
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're very creative. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very creative. Yeah.

850
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: So the future of your career as a seal just

851
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: going beyond that because you became one. Yeah, Like throughout

852
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: your career, your experiences, what was the most difficult time

853
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: that you experienced challenging time.

854
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: The most challenge and time would be when a guy died,

855
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: a guy was ki killed in action, I was on

856
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 4: a deployment and I was supposed to be in one country,

857
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: but I got pulled to another country to do a

858
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: specific So my background. Every seal has a job like

859
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: or specialization, so you've got preachers, sniper's, medics. So I

860
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 4: was a medic, but I was also a human guy,

861
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: which stands for human intelligence. So I went to like

862
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: various intelligent schools and learned source handling and other you know,

863
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: tradecraft type stuff.

864
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: Uh uh.

865
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: Kind of a lot more paperwork, a lot more writing.

866
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 4: But you know, I think I excelled in that field

867
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: because I had the experience from the streets, you know.

868
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: So when I was like running sources and and and

869
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: they were lying to me, somebody was lying to me,

870
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: I knew they were. I knew they were lying to me.

871
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: Or when somebody was telling me something and holding back,

872
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: I was able to sense that because I had to

873
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: learn how to read people in the streets in New

874
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: York with what I was doing, so it all translated.

875
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: So I enjoyed it. But I was on this particular

876
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 4: deployment in this country because of that skill set, because

877
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: of the human and being a medic, because it was

878
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: only eight of us in this particular country. They were

879
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 4: our closest q r F, which is a quick reaction force,

880
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: was on another continent, and outside of US, the only

881
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: other Americans were at the embassy in this particular country.

882
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: And so I say all that to say we were,

883
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: we were where we were, and a buddy of mine

884
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: was in another place and he got killed on a OP.

885
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 4: And that's tough to be in one place and your buddy,

886
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: your friend being another place and it gets killed on it.

887
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: Not so I think, you know, and that happened. That

888
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 4: happened another time as well.

889
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: You know when I was you wish you were there,

890
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, you wish Hey what could I have done?

891
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: You know, just in this together and you were separated

892
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: at this moment. Yeah, and it's just like.

893
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: It's it's just it's tough because I want to be

894
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: careful I say this, but we get to the point,

895
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: at least for myself, speaking for myself, after going through.

896
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: All the training and then doing the jobs that we

897
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: we do, you almost you get to the point again

898
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: speaking for myself, where you almost feel impenetrable.

899
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: And I and I don't mean in an arrogant way.

900
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: You feel like, oh, we're good we've gone, we're going

901
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: on a bunch of ops and you know, and so

902
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: we have the best training in the world, like you know,

903
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: so when they come, when it happens, it's almost like

904
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: a shock. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like when

905
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: we when we when we sign up, like every dude

906
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 4: just signs up. I truly believe that every person for

907
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 4: the most But I don't know how it is now,

908
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 4: but I know how it is when I join every

909
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 4: dude to sign up and woman to sign up.

910
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: We knew that we.

911
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 4: Could die, right because there were wars at the time,

912
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: and so I think from my generation of people that

913
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: went into that time, we gave up the fear of death.

914
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: And then once you start progressing in the military into

915
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 4: a combat unit or special operations combat unit, like that

916
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: risk heightens even more so because now you're going out

917
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: on ops sixteen guys in an area where there could

918
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: be like three hundred dudes and you got to sneak

919
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: in to go get one cat, right or you know,

920
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: you're you're going into situations you know where you can

921
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: get blown up. You go, you're going into the fire

922
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: the most part, Like that's your your job is to like.

923
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: And you know, that you know you're going.

924
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, once you get to once you like again when

925
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 4: you join the Navy in the military. Again I'm speaking

926
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 4: from my generation, you know that you could you've had

927
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: to have given up your fear of death. Uh huh right,

928
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: And then once you get into that type of feel

929
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 4: the combat unit, like you definitely for sure have to

930
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: have given up your fear of death because the.

931
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: Chances of you dying is you know, are pretty high.

932
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: But when when, like a guy like myself, when you

933
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: get to that point where somebody hasn't died and you

934
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: have the best training in the world, and then somebody dies,

935
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: it's like a hit.

936
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: It's like a shot, like you're doing it right, like

937
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: we got we're doing this like this. But then.

938
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: Does it shatter that sort of confidence or something a

939
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: little bit or make you what does it?

940
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: Mentally?

941
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: You know, we're humans, so I know for me, it

942
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: hurt to lose brothers, you know what I mean, because

943
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: as we call it the brotherhood for a reason, Like

944
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: you're close, I'm closer. I was still to this damn

945
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 4: closer to the seals that I serve with than I am

946
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: some of my family members, you know what I mean.

947
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 4: And so it's one of those things where you know

948
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: it hurts. I remember, you know, the death that hurt

949
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 4: me the most was Charlie Keating. You know, he got

950
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: the Silver Star for his actions in northern Iraq. He

951
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 4: was fighting against ISIS. This is twenty and sixteen, and

952
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: you know he was working with the locals and ices

953
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: overran the border and it was a bad situation and

954
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 4: he was he ran into the he ran into the

955
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 4: firefight and long story short, ended up getting a bullet

956
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: hit him in the heart.

957
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: He got killed.

958
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 4: And that one, that one hurt me the most because

959
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: I was really really we were in buzz together. You know,

960
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: we were in the same boat crew together. I'm on

961
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: the board of his of his foundation to see four

962
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: foundation now, which provides cool services for active duty military.

963
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: But I say all that to say it still hurts,

964
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: you know, because we're human at the end of the day.

965
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 4: And so I would say that that's the toughest thing, you.

966
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: Know, is losing a brother. Do you feel like those

967
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: experiences sharpened your mental strength.

968
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 4: Or one hundred percent. I believe that my mental strength

969
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: was there. I would say eighty percent it was there

970
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 4: because I went through a lot of crazy stuff that

971
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: we didn't even touch on. I was beat up as

972
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: a kid. I went you know, called names, picked on.

973
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: I had all kinds. I watched my mom, you know, struggle.

974
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: There were times where she didn't have enough food to

975
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 4: feed herself. She had just enough food to feed my

976
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: brother and I. We would have to wash our underwears

977
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 4: and socks out with ivory bars of ivory soap because

978
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 4: my mom couldn't afford to do the laundry. All of

979
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 4: that stuff. Really strength strengthens a person, and really it

980
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 4: does one or two things. Even Either it turns you

981
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: into a victim, you know, where.

982
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, what was me?

983
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: My mom, I don't have a dad would pull we

984
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 4: gotta wash our underwear with ivory soul, my MoMA?

985
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: What was me?

986
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: What was me?

987
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: And you stay in that victim class or you push

988
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 4: past that and you become a victor. And I think

989
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: like every day watching my mom, you know, striving push

990
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 4: through the pain and then and then having to push

991
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 4: through that too, but at the same time having an

992
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: everyday example in my mom. My mom would get up

993
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: at like five in the morning. We had seventeen floors

994
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: on our buildings. She would run the staircase, the fire exit.

995
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 4: She would run seventeen flights up seventeen that flesia, and

996
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: then she would she would take a shower, wake me

997
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: my brother up, get us ready for school, take us

998
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: to school, go work her job as a teacher, come back,

999
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 4: pick my brother and I up. My grand My grandmother

1000
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: didn't pick us up. She would pick us up, come home,

1001
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 4: help us with our.

1002
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: Homework, go work another job, make dinner, go work another job.

1003
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Completely hustling.

1004
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she had to. She was on and she

1005
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: never complained about it, right, she never complained about it.

1006
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: And you know, when you have that example every single

1007
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: day of your life, and then you find yourself in

1008
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 4: a position that's hard and you have to persevere, you

1009
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: have no choice. There is no like for my mom.

1010
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: There was no choice. My mom didn't have She couldn't

1011
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: be like, oh, or what Yeah, it's like what else

1012
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: am I gonna do? I got these two boys that

1013
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 4: need to eat every day, Like what else else am

1014
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: I gonna do?

1015
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have to.

1016
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 4: I have to do the work. And so that's the

1017
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: example I had in my mom. So when I found

1018
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: myself in positions where it's like you can't swim, you know,

1019
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 4: you don't have the academic scores to get into Seal Training.

1020
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 2: You're super skinny. What's the option I'm not gonna try.

1021
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm gonna go bust my ass and do what

1022
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 4: I have to do to get into the program, and

1023
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 4: then bust my ass and do what I have to

1024
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 4: do to get through Seal Training. It's like that's the

1025
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 4: only option. So I think for me, it was ingrained

1026
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 4: in me via DNA, my mom and my dad. My

1027
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: dad having a mind that was almost impenetrable where he

1028
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 4: was just like when he had a vision, he stuck

1029
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 4: to that vision. Having that from a DNA standpoint, but

1030
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 4: then now having that nurtured through my mom. My mom

1031
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 4: kind of wax on wax off unknowingly like teaching me

1032
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 4: this and then fast forwarding to now arriving at Seal

1033
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: Training having the foundation, but then now putting concepts and

1034
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 4: theories along and terms to that and growing it even

1035
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: more so to now where I'm at now. I don't

1036
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: believe that there's nothing I can't do. Like obviously I

1037
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: can't fly like that, you know what I mean about

1038
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 4: the skydive and and track for a little bit. But

1039
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: you know, I can't you know, defy gravity. But yet yeah, yeah,

1040
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 4: maybe there is some type of magic potion I could create.

1041
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: But the reality is I know that whatever I put

1042
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 4: my mind to accomplish, I will accomplish.

1043
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: Believe in yourself, yeah, and that.

1044
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: Comes from from my life experience, from being a frog man,

1045
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: and then now then having that added motivation of now

1046
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 4: trying to maintain the standard once to see you always

1047
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: a seal. So maintain the standard of excellence, maintain my promise,

1048
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: to honor my fallen brothers and sisters, and just maintain

1049
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: who I am and my father's legacy and my mother's legacy,

1050
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 4: you know. And so take all that into account. Now

1051
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 4: it's like there's nothing I can't do.

1052
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: Let's say, someone who's not a frog man, or who

1053
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't have an excellent role model like your mother growing

1054
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: up to kind of remind you that, hey, you don't

1055
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: have a choice. Someone who's struggling with their own mental strength,

1056
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: who doesn't have that to call upon your reference. What's

1057
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: your advice to someone like the two things? Do hard things?

1058
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: What do you mean to do hard? Do hard things? So,

1059
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: for example, I tell young people this all the time.

1060
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 4: It's like use a college doing as an example, you're

1061
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 4: in college, your professor gives you a paper. That paper

1062
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 4: is doing a month. Do it in like a day

1063
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 4: and a half to two days. Like you discipline yourself

1064
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: and you put your you create your own debt.

1065
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: Why should you do that because that's going to set

1066
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: a reference point for you. That's good because once you

1067
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: accomplish that hard task, it's in somewhat of a controlled

1068
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: environment because you're controlling the outcome.

1069
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: Is it about the challenging of yourself. Just do it sooner?

1070
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: Is yeah, it's challenging yourself to do it sooner, and

1071
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 4: it's just finding a way to challenge yourself. Okay, maybe

1072
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 4: for somebody else, it's like getting up at five am, sure,

1073
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: and doing a walk around the block. I was having

1074
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 4: a conversation with a lady yesterday who's overweight, and she

1075
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: has a lot of different medical issues. And one thing

1076
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: I said to her was because she said, you know,

1077
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 4: I can't give up sweets. I can't give up ice cream.

1078
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 4: I can't give up that. I said, okay, respect check.

1079
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 4: How about you just get up early and do a

1080
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 4: walk around the block, and maybe instead of having two

1081
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: scoops of ice cream, you have one scoop of ice cream.

1082
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: To me and you, that's easy, but to her that

1083
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 4: could be the hardest thing in the world. And so

1084
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 4: do that. Start small in that, and then starting small

1085
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: in that. Once you accomplish that, go guess what it is,

1086
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 4: bullsh your confidence a little bit. So the next time

1087
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 4: you can say, oh, you know what, maybe I'm gonna

1088
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 4: have a half a scoop of ice cream. Maybe I'm

1089
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: gonna walk around the block two more times.

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Speaker 2: You get good at that.

1091
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're good automatic exactly. And I think there's so

1092
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: many people forgot the art of just starting. And so

1093
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 4: that's my first advice to anybody that's like, hey, I

1094
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: wasn't the seal. I wasn't this, I wasn't that. It's

1095
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: just start. Just start and do something that's hard for you.

1096
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be extremely hard, but do something

1097
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 4: that's hard to build. I got calluses on my hands.

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00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 4: You can see the calluses on my hands. Dude, How

1099
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 4: did I get these calluses? I got these calluses from

1100
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 4: doing pull ups, right, you know what I mean? Years

1101
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: of pull ups. Now, now it's easy.

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00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: For me to grip the pull up bar before versus

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00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: when I first started doing as a physical manifestation though, yeah,

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00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: hell it got he's here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: But but but the callouses, you know, they they they

1107
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 4: make it easier. But I had to I had to

1108
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 4: build up the calluses first, sure, you know. So the

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Speaker 4: first thing, like I said, I would say, is it

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Speaker 4: starts somewhere, and and the second thing I would say

1111
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 4: is make sure that it's something that's a challenge to you.

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Speaker 2: Do you care about your legacy? Everybody should care about

1113
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: their legacy? Why should they care about it?

1114
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: Because it's like, you can't when you die, what do

1115
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 4: you leave behind? Nothing but your legacy. Even if you

1116
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: leave behind money, that money is gonna run out at

1117
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 4: some point. So you want people to look at what

1118
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 4: you did and be inspired to be great. Did you

1119
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: help anybody do?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? It's not about the point of your existence exactly.

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00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 4: It's not about legacy so that people could be like,

1122
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 4: oh this, here's this guy. He was a filmmaker and

1123
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: he did this person. It's about here was this dude, Remy,

1124
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: And here's all the lives he's changed through his life.

1125
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Speaker 4: Here is what he contributed to this world. And now

1126
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: it's my turn to contribute something to this world. Right,

1127
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 4: it's my turn to push past. I truly believe that

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Speaker 4: every single person was created for a specific reason, but

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00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: not for themselves, not just for themselves, And I believe

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00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: that the world is in such chaos and turmoil because

1131
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 4: people are operating outside of their giftings and their callings

1132
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 4: and their design as to what they were called to

1133
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 4: be and do. Right, we were all created, we're all humans,

1134
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 4: so we were all created to service each other in

1135
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 4: some way and getting the most ostensible example of that

1136
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 4: I can give is what if somebody that was created

1137
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: to be a doctor. What if their mind genetically was

1138
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: wired in a way to be a doctor and they

1139
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 4: become a doctor and they end up in a village

1140
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 4: where they're saving all of these kids' lives because they

1141
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 4: followed their giftings in their calling. My dad his gifting

1142
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 4: and his calling and what he was created and designed

1143
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: to do in this world was to create a place

1144
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 4: where people from all around the world could come and

1145
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 4: do proper commerce in Africa. But that got snuffed out

1146
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: by people who weren't falling into their calling. They were

1147
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 4: just greedy, so they bypassed their callings in the gifts

1148
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 4: and their purpose in their world to essentially snuff out

1149
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: my dad's So now other people who would have benefited

1150
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 4: from those people doing what they were supposed to do

1151
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 4: are suffering as well. So at the end of the day,

1152
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 4: that's what it's about. Because you're going to die. I'm

1153
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 4: going to die. Everybody listening to this podcast is going

1154
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 4: to die. That's something that is inevitable. But what would

1155
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 4: you leave behind? And I'm not talking about physical material things,

1156
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's why you know we talk

1157
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 4: about you know, there's a lot of time travel movies,

1158
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 4: you know, and the thing that always comes up in

1159
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 4: the time travel movie as well, if you go back

1160
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: and how does that work?

1161
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Because if that person went back and changed this change?

1162
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: But that's real, Yeah.

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00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: You know, the butterfly effect, not time travel, you know

1164
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But the butterfly effect is real and

1165
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 4: it's all fraction reaction. Yeah, but so many imagine where

1166
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: the world would be if everybody was like operating in

1167
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 4: their truthful callings and giftings, getting more of a shit

1168
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: and not hating, you know what I'm saying, not being

1169
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 4: worried about Hey this person has that, why don't I

1170
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: have that?

1171
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 2: I should have that, you know what i mean?

1172
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 4: Not like half ass in their job, not half assing school,

1173
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 4: like really being in that on invested.

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: Grand scale where in the world. Really it's a different world,

1175
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: like entirely it's a different world. But we don't have that. Yeah, right,

1176
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: They say, Hopefully this podcast will get out there and

1178
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 4: people will hear they like, damn more million and.

1179
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: A million and we shake up the world. That'd be awesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Before we wrap, man, tell me about Downrange.

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00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Downrange podcast is uh a new podcast from

1182
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: Tender for TV, a maleograph creative. It's an amazing podcast

1183
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: where we're diving into the stories of war fighters, men

1184
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 4: and women who've gone overseas and and have some very

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01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: heroic and inspirational stories. But it's not a traditional podcast

1186
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 4: where there's an interview. One person's asking a question, another

1187
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 4: person's responding. It's a very immersive podcast. So there's sound effects,

1188
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: there's actors, there's music. Is very moving. It really sucks

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01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 4: you in. It's an experience. That's the best way I

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01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 4: can explain it. And I know, like I was recording

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 4: in the studio and obviously all effects and all that stuff,

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01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 4: and the other person wasn't there. But like I listened

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01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 4: and listening to Harryman's story over the weekend and seeing

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 4: how it all came together, it was just.

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01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Like wow, ma yah.

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Speaker 1: Really cinematic. Yeah, it's very cinematic. Shout outs to Cooper

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Speaker 1: on some of those sounds. Yeah, shout out to Cooper Man.

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Speaker 1: But it's a it's a it's an experience.

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Speaker 4: And if people want to kind of get it behind

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Speaker 4: the curtains, look at you know, what men and women

1201
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 4: have gone through overseas. If you want to see behind

1202
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: a curtain in a very unique and uh experential way,

1203
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 4: this is the podcast for you.

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01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: Why do you think it's important for people to hear

1205
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: these stories?

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Speaker 4: I think it's important because it shows the country of

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Speaker 4: We're talking from an American standpoint, what people have, what

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Speaker 4: service members have gone through, you know, uh, fighting for

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Speaker 4: this nation, you know what I mean? And uh and

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Speaker 4: and I think, you know, I think we're living in

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01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 4: a time now where which is very interesting where a

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Speaker 4: lot of people hate their hate America. I ain't talking

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Speaker 4: about people outside of America. I'm talking about people inside,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so I think that

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Speaker 4: you know, it could really show people why, you know,

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 4: show people like that. There are men and women who

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 4: are literally putting themselves in a position where they could die.

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Speaker 4: But it's in order to protect a safeguarden nation for you,

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: basically for you, for you who hate America right for you,

1220
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: age hater or not hate or not.

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Speaker 2: This is you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And that's what I loved about being in the military

1223
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 4: is I didn't care about whether somebody was Democrat or Republican,

1224
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: or whether somebody whatever the case may be, whether you're

1225
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 4: a man, woman, whatever the case may be, whatever your background,

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Speaker 4: I'm here to protect you. I don't care, right, I'm

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Speaker 4: here to safeguard you. I don't care. And you know what,

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Speaker 4: if the general public knew the stuff that has been stopped,

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01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: if the general public knew like some of the things

1230
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 4: that could have happened and should have happened, where a

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: lot of Americans could have died, but there were people

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01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 4: standing in the gap. You see people on their knees

1233
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: on the street thanking God for the military. But see,

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01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: we can't expose them to that. And even now, but

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Speaker 4: as soon I know that happens. But it happens, it happens.

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Speaker 1: And what downranged podcast does, it gives you a tiny glimpse.

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Speaker 4: Of of things that may or may not have happened.

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 4: Trying to be careful here. It was very correct. Yeah,

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01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 4: that uh.

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Speaker 2: That has led to a safer nation.

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 4: You'd be surprised of what you can get out of

1242
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 4: the podcast by listening to the Downrange podcast series because

1243
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 4: the stories are so raw. And then when you had

1244
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 4: the music to it and you add the actors that

1245
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 4: are you know, coming behind and filling in the gaps,

1246
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 4: and you add all of this other stuff to it,

1247
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 4: it'll suck you in and it sucking, getting you sucked

1248
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: in the brain will start turning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone can take away something from this exactly,

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: this show and your great host Man, and thank you.

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01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: You've crushed it and it's been a blast, man think

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: coming up to me. Thanks for having shades on interviews.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, thanks man, of course, Yeah, thanks for

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01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 4: having me on.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Death is a production of tenor Foot and

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Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted by Payne Lindsay. For Tenderfoot TV,

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Speaker 3: executive producers are Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright. Co executive

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Speaker 3: producer is Mike Rooney. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are

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Speaker 3: and mastering by Cooper Skinner and Dayton Cole. Our cover

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