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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is West Hodkuits. We're coming

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Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West.

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Speaker 1: We're on a short week, a condensed week, so we're

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Speaker 1: going to uh condense a couple of shows into one here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna move on today to talk about the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: but I also want to get to a story that

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Speaker 1: uh you posted on our website with regards to the

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Speaker 1: packers sack total defensively for this year. Some really interesting

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Speaker 1: numbers there. But starting with the Seattle Seahawks, they are

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Speaker 1: four and five after a loss to the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Rams this last week, we know the Packers are four

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Speaker 1: four and one. These two teams both very very badly

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Speaker 1: need this victory. And when you start with the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: for all the changes in personnel and everything that I've

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Speaker 1: gone on there over the last couple of years, it

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Speaker 1: still starts with Russell Wilson, it is. And and it's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me, Mike, because with the way things have

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Speaker 1: gone for the Seahawks, you've seen, you know, some things

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Speaker 1: that defense sort of a road here. Some guys got older,

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Speaker 1: some guys got a little bit more discontent. Whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it isn't the same unit that it

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Speaker 1: once was, but it's still a pretty darn good unit

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Speaker 1: the way they play, and they still have two of

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Speaker 1: the best linebackers in this league offensively though it was

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, it is Russell Wilson, and it will continue

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Speaker 1: to be Russell Wilson's team. In Russell Wilson's unit, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they've done a fairly decent job I think of trying

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Speaker 1: to renovate his offensive line. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: issues there for a number of seasons. It's still not

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Speaker 1: the best old line in the league. But I think

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Speaker 1: they're giving him a pocket that he can work with.

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Speaker 1: As far as the passing game. Tyler Lockett, they made

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Speaker 1: a big investment to him in the off season and

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Speaker 1: it seems to be paying off for them to this point.

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Speaker 1: He's become their top playmaker and with a kind of

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Speaker 1: a carousel of running backs to this point in the season,

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Speaker 1: it's really Ben Wilson and Lockett show at this point. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing I think that scares me the most, so

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Speaker 1: to speak about Russell Wilson is that he's just one

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Speaker 1: of these guys that you let him get outside the

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Speaker 1: defended perfectly well, and he can still run for ten

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Speaker 1: or twelve or fifteen yards on you and just breaks

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Speaker 1: you back. Yeah, I was gonna say nine two yards

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Speaker 1: rushing last week. Now, Rashad Penny was the new running

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Speaker 1: back who stepped in because Chris Carson was injured. He

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Speaker 1: suddenly goes for a buck eight on just twelve carries

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Speaker 1: against the Rams, and then you add Russell Wilson's two yards.

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Speaker 1: That's suddenly two yards rushing from a backup running back

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Speaker 1: and you're starting quarterback, and they just about knocked off

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Speaker 1: the Rams out in l A. Yeah. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you know anything about Penny's story, they drafted him, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people all their expectation was

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Speaker 1: that he'd be there starting running back. They've gone through

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Speaker 1: a whirlwind here the past few years, in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of Marshawn Lynch. It's been a lot. And then Penny

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Speaker 1: had this really strange narrative throughout training camp in the

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Speaker 1: offseason about where where his weight was at, was he

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Speaker 1: in the shape he needed to be, and it ends

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Speaker 1: up being Chris Carson who takes a job with Mike Davis,

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Speaker 1: the former San Francisco forty Niner being the backup. Well,

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Speaker 1: Penny gets his opportunity. I think when you look at

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Speaker 1: an athletics standpoint, it's not a surprise. It's just been

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Speaker 1: more about what it's taken to get him to this point.

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Speaker 1: Now we have to see how this week is gonna

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Speaker 1: If he's not, does it end up being Mike Davis again,

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Speaker 1: is it Penny? Do they rotate all of them? A

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Speaker 1: lot of guys to keep in mind, but the fact

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Speaker 1: that they were able to put up a hundred yard

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. When you go back and think about those

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams and the teams that really gave the

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Speaker 1: off that one two punch of Wilson and Marshawn Lynch.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to find that. I don't wouldn't say that

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Speaker 1: going through Eddie Lacy and raw and Rawls and just

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Speaker 1: we're getting into the stretch run here and and Jones

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Speaker 1: obviously showed what he can do. But when you have

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Speaker 1: this can be a tough situation. And for defense, he

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Speaker 1: could be tough to handle. Yeah, absolutely, Mike. I was

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Speaker 1: The thing that it really impresses me though, about Penny

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Speaker 1: he would be the type of back that would sort

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at Doug Baldwin, what they have

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Speaker 1: type he moved on as well. Yeah, it just seems

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Speaker 1: not following the Seattle Seahawks every day, but as far

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Speaker 1: as the perception, it just comes off like that because

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Speaker 1: and he's very very accurate in doing so. And what

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Speaker 1: and performs in this game the Packers. Yes, there's a

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Speaker 1: storied history there. You can go back to the fail Mary,

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Speaker 1: two thousand, fourteen. But the Packers have won three straight

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Speaker 1: the Packers did have success against him, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense a moment ago, and I want to

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Defense West, the Legion of Boom is no longer.

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Speaker 1: Richard Sherman is gone, Cam Chancellor is gone. Earl Thomas

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Speaker 1: But those two linebackers, Bobby Wagner, kJ wright those guys are.

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Speaker 1: What's impressive of Wagner's He's been doing this now for

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Speaker 1: when they need to lineback their throwback types, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: There's just a shortage of them right now in two

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Speaker 1: could see him as a hand in the dirt edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, eight sacks at this point in the season,

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Speaker 1: much faster, particularly in the secondary. They have a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys. It isn't just you know, Josh Jones running

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Speaker 1: a four four. They have just guys that can close

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Speaker 1: the distance, and you need that type of approach. With

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Speaker 1: a guy like Russell Wilson, you have to be disciplined,

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Speaker 1: but you have to be athletic too, because he's disciplined

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Speaker 1: and athletic. I think it's gonna be a great chess

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Speaker 1: match and throwing in that that atmosphere with Century Link,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be challenging. It's gonna challenge your communication on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball and all three phases. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I still don't think with the

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Speaker 1: stat that you've pointed out to me this week, it's

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Speaker 1: as insurmountable to go in there and win, maybe like

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Speaker 1: it was four or five years ago. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it. I don't think it is either. I think

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Speaker 1: this is I think this is a Seahawks team that

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Speaker 1: is a little bit vulnerable right now, but they're also

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Speaker 1: dangerous in the sense that they have their backs up

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Speaker 1: against the wall. So our next show, I want to

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Speaker 1: get to our keys to victory and all that. So

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Speaker 1: we will continue that discussion, but for now we have

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Speaker 1: to call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted,

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Speaker 1: and be sure to follow all of our coverage of

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Speaker 1: the team on Packers dot com on Twitter. He's at

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Speaker 1: west Hot I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the

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Speaker 1: team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, See you next time.

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