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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Weird Hunt Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number five. Today we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be chatting about whitetail lessons that can be learned

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Speaker 1: from turkey hunting. So get ready for some great turkey stories,

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Speaker 1: some helpful deer hunting tips, and much more. Alrighty, it's

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday afternoon here in Michigan. It's sunny, fifty degrees,

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Speaker 1: and I'm drinking a cold beverage. But most importantly with

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Speaker 1: me on the lines, my good pale Dan Johnson. How

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Speaker 1: are you, my friend Mark. I'm doing pretty good. I

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Speaker 1: also have a cold beverage, and it is also Wednesday

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Speaker 1: here in Iowa. I'm glad we're on the same day here.

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Speaker 1: That would be make things awful confusing if we weren't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a happy guy. I've had a good week

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Speaker 1: and I've heard that you had a pretty good weekend too,

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? Um? How do I put this?

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Speaker 1: I think I heard one between one thousand and two

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Speaker 1: thousand gobbles this weekend, this last season Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe how nice the weather was. And this

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Speaker 1: has been one of the most exciting and you know,

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Speaker 1: best turkey hunting seasons that I've had in a very

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Speaker 1: long time. That's awesome. I can't say I heard that

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Speaker 1: many gobbles, um, but it was definitely. I had a

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Speaker 1: good week too. And for the for the listeners out there,

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Speaker 1: the Iowa turkey season open last week over by you right,

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Speaker 1: and the Michigan turkey season for me opened this Monday,

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Speaker 1: So we both have been getting after some of those

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Speaker 1: gobblers and spoiler alert here, we both did pretty good. Um.

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Speaker 1: That said, I guess I'll kick it off with a

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Speaker 1: quick intro though, before we dive in too much. Today

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Speaker 1: we're talking turkeys, but specifically I wanted to dive into

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Speaker 1: white tail hunting lessons that can be reinforced or learned

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Speaker 1: while I was chasing turkeys. So that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: whole idea of what we want to get at today

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Speaker 1: in the show. But let's take a step back now,

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Speaker 1: and Dan, I really want to hear about how your

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Speaker 1: couple of days of turkey hunting with the wife. Went. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like it went well he heard a lot

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Speaker 1: of gobbling. But what ended up happening, Well, i'll give

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Speaker 1: you the short story on my wife's um. Okay, So anyway, Friday,

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Speaker 1: Friday morning, I took off work and I was in

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Speaker 1: the timber, and I bumped a couple of birds in uh,

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Speaker 1: coming into the blind that I had set up the

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Speaker 1: night before when I got into town. Now, on the

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Speaker 1: way in, the moon was bright, so I didn't even

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Speaker 1: the same ridge as me. And you know, for some

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Speaker 1: for for some reason, I didn't even care for the

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Speaker 1: pure fact that I was not at work. So so

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Speaker 1: sun comes up and the timber literally exploded with the gobbles.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every every cardinal tweet, every crow, every owl hoot,

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Speaker 1: just one long chain of gobbles running down this this

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Speaker 1: It was just perfect. Now, unfortunately, there were no gobbles

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Speaker 1: I did some calling and waiting. Nothing happened all right.

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to the next morning, the previous actually the

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Speaker 1: previous night, I went up and I changed the line positions.

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Speaker 1: The next morning, I had out there with me and

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Speaker 1: The gobble was so close to the blind. My wife

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Speaker 1: read us weekly somewhere. Yeah. I think my wife's the

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Speaker 1: same way. Um. But gosh, when you're talking about just that,

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Speaker 1: for those for anyone that hasn't turkey hunted, you have

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Speaker 1: a good hunt in anyone's book. Yeah, that's awesome. And

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Speaker 1: we're still about eight yards away, and they strutted and

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Speaker 1: puffed around and they just wouldn't commit, wouldn't come in.

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Speaker 1: So that was probably twenty minutes I was working on them.

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Speaker 1: They finally went into the timber behind me. They disappeared,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's been a lot of calling. They

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Speaker 1: were gobbling like crazy. I've been yelping whatnot, um, but

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Speaker 1: just kind of sneaking right back there behind me. He

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Speaker 1: he circled out back into this opening about seventy yards away.

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Speaker 1: At that point he opened up and started gobbling saw

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Speaker 1: doesn't give off the human smell. It gives off a

423
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: smell that's supposed to eliminate the human odor or whatever.

424
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: He walks through it. Now, after he walked through it,

425
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: he knew something up on top of the ridge wasn't

426
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: the way it should be. Just something a little some

427
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: of a little off. So and he started heading away

428
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: from me just a bit. I gave one little and

429
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: he put his head up. He looked right down in

430
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: the direction. He did not see another deer. He was gone,

431
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, he was gone. Yeah, that is uh, they'll

432
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: do that. It's kind of funny. While you were telling

433
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: that story, made me think of something else. Um, and

434
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: I actually just posted a video about this same thing,

435
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: I think yesterday. But this is related calling to and

436
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: it's regarding to the timing of calling, the first time

437
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: you call, and the wind direction. So typically when I've

438
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: called to a deer, and I think for most people,

439
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: most people have seen this one I called to a deer,

440
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: especially if it's a mature buck, they're going to want

441
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: to circle downwind of me, downwind of that noise, to

442
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: scent check what exactly it is making that commotion. So

443
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: what happened to me a couple of years ago was

444
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: I had a nice buck cruising the edge of a

445
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: swamp about seventy yards away, and I grunted to him

446
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: several times, and he turned and started coming in my direction.

447
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: But he started circling down wind, and my mistake was

448
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: that he was already very close to being down wind

449
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: of me, so he only had to walk another fifteen

450
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: yards or so north to get right into my wind.

451
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously it was easy for him to

452
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: do that. He did it, he caught my wind, and

453
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: he busted out of there. Um. I think the lesson

454
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: I learned from that is, more often, or if possible,

455
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call to a deer unless he's

456
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: far away from being able to circle to my wind

457
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: or hopefully I'll have some kind of barrier on my

458
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: downwind side. So like a a perfect situation would be

459
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: if maybe I was hunting on a steep ridge and

460
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: there's like a ravine that drops off behind me down

461
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: wind of me. So if a deer tries to circle

462
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: down wind of me, he'll hit that ridgeline or that ravine,

463
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: he won't be able continue, and hopefully by then I'll

464
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: have a shot opportunity at him. But I think the

465
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: big thing is, try to prepare for that, or don't

466
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: even call if he's already close to being down wind,

467
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: because yeah, there's a chance you might get him a

468
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: turn and come towards you, but more likely than not,

469
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: you're just gonna pull him into your wind, spook him

470
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: even more, and that's obviously gonna hurt your your chances.

471
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: So I'd almost rather let a deer walk away from

472
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 1: me without even trying to call to him as long

473
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: as he's not gonna give my wind. Yeah, I guess

474
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more aggressive of a hunter, so

475
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: you know. And and after all learning all these lessons

476
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: the hard way, uh, I think that as the DearS,

477
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: I won't call at a deer if they're stopped. You

478
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: call until they stop him look in your direction, and

479
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: then you're done. Then you're done calling. Okay, well, it's

480
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: typically just a grant, grant, stop or whatever it takes

481
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: to get their attention. If you're looking at them and

482
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: they're looking in your direction, no more calling, you know.

483
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: And and because here's here's typically what happens. You're hunting

484
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: in an area where the deer can see, I mean,

485
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: they're hearing is deadly, their eyesights better, and their nose

486
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: is even better. Yet, so what they'll do is they'll

487
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: use all three of those together. They'll use their ears

488
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: to pinpoint where they think that sound came from. They'll

489
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: use their eyes to see it. And if for some

490
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: reason they're still interested after they don't think that they

491
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: know where that sounds coming from, they'll loop way down

492
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: wind of you to try to catch catch the scent

493
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: of it. So I mean, it's it's almost a lose

494
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: lose situation. Yeah, it's a it's I think to what

495
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: we were saying, I wish deer head a turkey nose um,

496
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: speaking of deer using their eyes as that third um

497
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: line of defense or or whatever it might be when

498
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: they're hearing a noise or something. When it comes to

499
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: deer seeing something after a call, lots of times something

500
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: that will help a lot, as if you have a decoy.

501
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: And this ties back to one of the lessons that

502
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up regarding turkeys and white tails,

503
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: being how important the positioning of decoys is. So for turkeys,

504
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: I think most people use decoys when they're hunting turkeys,

505
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: and I found through a lot of trial and error

506
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years that some decoy setups

507
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: work pretty well, some don't, And I've tried a whole

508
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: bunch of different combinations and I still don't know if

509
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: I fegarre out what the perfect setup is. But I

510
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: think everyone maybe has a different opinion on that. But

511
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, the positioning does matter.

512
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: There'll be lots of times we're calling in a gowbler

513
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: he sounds like he's just hot to trot, charging in

514
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: and as soon as he sees your coys, he'll he'll

515
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: hang up. And I don't know if you've seen this,

516
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: but he'll hang up and then just strut strut, just

517
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: will not commit. And then I've had a situation where

518
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: I had the exact same thing happened the next day.

519
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: Nothing else is different except for I had removed a gobbler.

520
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: I had a set up with a hand decoy jake

521
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: and a gobbler and or you know, full struck gobbler.

522
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: And the next day I removed the full struck gobbler

523
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: and just had the jake in the head, but exactly

524
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: the same position the next morning, almost the exact same time,

525
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean, very very similar. To have a sequence of

526
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: this bird came down, heard him goblin, he comes charging

527
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: and comes over the same hill, sees that set up

528
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: and came came right in. Now I ended up missing

529
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: that turkey. That's another story, but but yeah, I think

530
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: I think that matters a ton of turkey hunting. I'm

531
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: thinking maybe you've seen something similar. Yeah, Um, I only

532
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I only take out a hand and a jake. Okay, Um,

533
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: some times I'll just take out a hand um. Now,

534
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: a dominant bird will come in to pretty much any

535
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: setup that you have, whether it's a strutter or not. Uh,

536
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: if you take that strutter out, you're gonna get less

537
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: dominant birds come in. Take the jake out, you'll probably

538
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: get a lot of you know, the rest of them

539
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: come in, including you know, the dominant birds. Because it's

540
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: just like just like bucks. Have you ever seen a

541
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: group of turkeys and only one there's like a group

542
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: of maybe three toms or two toms, only one of

543
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: them strutting. That's because that strutter has kicked the crap

544
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: out of the other two birds. So let them know,

545
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: listen that hend's mine. So and that's why these birds

546
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: are so aggressive. All they do is fight. It's it's

547
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Have you ever had one attack your decoy before?

548
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: I have? Um, but it was I mean it was

549
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: several years ago. I didn't even know what I like.

550
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I was so excited that when came in and uh,

551
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: it came in and right as it flopped, I shot it.

552
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I still haven't had it happen, but

553
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: I've seen it happy on videos and stuff, and those

554
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: turkeys can be pretty nasty. Or I even saw I

555
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: was watching an episode of some TV show the other

556
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: day and this, you know, one of the people on

557
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: camera shot turkey. And there's three times that came in.

558
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: One time gets shot, he flops over dead. The other

559
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: to immediately start pummeling him, start beating the crap out

560
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: of him. Second hunter and the blind shoots the second turkey.

561
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Second turkey drops down dead. The third turkey starts beating

562
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: the crap out of the other two dead turkeys. I mean,

563
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. That is a natural instinct. Two And

564
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I found this out from

565
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: National Geographics and it is UM. I don't know what

566
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: the scientific name for it is, but it's within UM

567
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: a lot of animals to where if they see that

568
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: the dominant animal is injured, the other males in the

569
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: group will attack it so they will then become the

570
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: dominant the dominant animal. I saw it on with buffalo.

571
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: A guy shot a buffalo with a bow and it

572
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: created like a stampede of buffalo fights where all these

573
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: males instantly started fighting with each other to position for dominance.

574
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: And it was like a second I mean, it was

575
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: just like the dominant males dead and then it was

576
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: just complete chaos for they couldn't they couldn't even get

577
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: in there to recover their animal because the other buffalo

578
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: were fighting so much. This is the that's the same

579
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: thing with um animals in Africa. Did you know that

580
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: a male lion, if if a male lion breeds to

581
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: a female, then something happens to that male lion and

582
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: a new pride leader comes in that that new um

583
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't pride leader will kill all the babies because

584
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: those are not his bloodline. Yikes. Yeah, so nature is crazy, man,

585
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: Nature is crazy. And you you totally did just go

586
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like nat geo honestly there, which is I know, pretty cool,

587
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: know I uh sorry, I blacked out what happened? Oh gosh,

588
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: that's great. Um well, back to deer and turkeys. Back

589
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: if we have another lion, h Tamer diet try will

590
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: have to figure out how to get back to this.

591
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: But back to decoy really quick here. Um So he

592
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: talked about the importance of turkey decoy positioning and I

593
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: want to touch really quick on dear decoy positioning. And

594
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dan, if you have any experience with this.

595
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I just started experimenting with decoy last year. I've wanted

596
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: to do it for a long time. I've always said, yeah,

597
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what, I'm gonna do it, and then

598
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: I never did. And um, you know, part of that

599
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: is because a lot of my hunting was in Michigan,

600
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: where something like that in aggressive tactical decoy isn't really

601
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: going to work on these super heavily pressured deer. But

602
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: in some of the other states like Iowa, Ohio or Kansas,

603
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen and heard of a lot of

604
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: people having really good, um luck with that. So last

605
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: year I finally did give a shot. And one of

606
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: the things that really kind of influenced me to finally

607
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: try it was an article I read by John Dudley.

608
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: He's a pretty well known hunting writer and TV show

609
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: hosts and stuff, and he was on a podcast for

610
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Peterson's Bow Hunting, another another great podcast, and he was

611
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: talking about his whole strategy around decoin and it's a

612
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: really interesting interview and I'll put a link to it

613
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: in the show notes. It's definitely worth listening to because

614
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: he shares a really crazy story when he's out decoin

615
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: for deer. I won't I won't kind of steal his

616
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: thunder here. You have to go and listen to that.

617
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: But the point of that is that he talked about

618
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: the importance, like the most important thing is making sure

619
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: your decoy's position properly. And from what I've learned and

620
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: gathered from that is that you want the wind blowing

621
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: from the decoy to you, and you want the year

622
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: the decoy um. In my case, I use a buck

623
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: decoy with one of his antlers off, kind of makes

624
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: him look subdominant. I like that dear decoy, the buck

625
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: decoy facing me or slightly quartering two. And So why

626
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: this is important is that any buck that comes in

627
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: sees this deer, like when they hear a noise, they

628
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: want to circle downwind of the decoy. They want to

629
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: circle downwind of whatever that stimulus is they see to

630
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: double check it. So he sees the decoy with his eyes,

631
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: Now he wants to check it with his nose, so

632
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: he starts to circle downwind of it. And then secondly,

633
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: lots of times when buck comes into a confrontation with

634
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: another buck, he likes to come and head on. So

635
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: by having that deer facing towards you, you're gonna get

636
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: that buck starting to circle in to start facing him.

637
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: And what this ends up doing is you've got the

638
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: buck's attention focused on the deer, he starts circling, and

639
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: that circling motion will put him quartering away or broadside

640
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: to you, facing away about you know, if that decoy

641
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: is about thirty yards away from you, typically that buck

642
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: is going to circle in maybe yards away from you,

643
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: looking at the decoy, giving you a perfect shot. So

644
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: from what I've gathered and what I've tried, that seems

645
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: to be the best position for a buck decoy. Um.

646
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dan, have you had any luck with that?

647
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever tried decoying? Or And what I talk

648
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about crazy? Uh no, uh And

649
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: that's the same thing that I've read. But I don't

650
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: use decoys because I don't typically hunt field edges, and

651
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I in the areas that I hunt, if I put

652
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: a decoy out in front of me the deer, that

653
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: would be crap traveling in other directions, I wouldn't even

654
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: see it. So, um, I hunt a lot of really

655
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: thick stuff. So decoying in those type of scenarios really

656
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't pan out. Now I've done decoying

657
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: in the past, but um, I guess I tried to

658
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: do it a different way. This is real early in

659
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: my hunting career where I wasn't as educated it about

660
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: white tails as I am now with a doe and

661
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: extra scent. Okay, So that's where that's where I kind

662
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: of started. And then I started learning that. You know,

663
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: I failed a lot more times than I was successful,

664
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: and I just decided, you know, I don't I'm not

665
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: really I'm not really into decoying anymore. That and carrying

666
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: in the decoy to these locations where I hunt are

667
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: really long walks, and I already carry enough crappying as

668
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: it is. You know, that can be a serious pain

669
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: in the butt. I was. I was hunting in southern

670
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: Ohio last November with my buddy Josh, and he had

671
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: already killed the buck. So he's filming me now at

672
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: this point, and it was our last evening. I hadn't

673
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: been seeing anything. Was the middle of the day. We'd hunted,

674
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, all day, and I think it was at

675
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: one o'clock. We're feeling kind of down, hadn't been seeing

676
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: the activity we wanted, and we were sort of at

677
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: the end of this very thin finger of cut beans

678
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: that extended into the thick timber, and I was on

679
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: this timbred ridge that kind of extended off of that,

680
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: and we got thinking, Hey, let's go for the kind

681
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: of swing for the fences. Let's go grab the decoy.

682
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: So I decided to get down for my stand and

683
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: high tail it all the way back to our truck,

684
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: grab the decoy and bringing all the way back out.

685
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: And I'm always paranoid that something's gonna go wrong, So

686
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: the whole time I was climbing out of the stand

687
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: and hike him back to the truck. The whole time

688
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh gosh, I'm gonna I'm gonna walk

689
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: into a giant buck and spook him. Or when I

690
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: get back, you know, I'm gonna find out that there

691
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: was a giant right here. You know. The whole time

692
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: I had all these different ideas run through my head.

693
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: But finally get the decoy, climb back up in the tree,

694
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: getting my tree stand, and I turned look at Josh

695
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: and he has this this look on his face, just

696
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: like pure dismay, and I'm like what he's He says, Mark,

697
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: there was a giant just cruising the edge. Like he

698
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: just came through while you're gone, and I can't tell you.

699
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: It was like I just found out my firstborn child

700
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: had been killed. Like I was just devastated. My my

701
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: stomach went into my throat. I mean, I started shaking,

702
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: and uh. He gave me like a good five seconds

703
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: of just feeling like I wanted to jump out of

704
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: the tree stand and he's like, I'm just kidding. It

705
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: was awful. But the one other thing about decoin I'll

706
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: mention um and before we can move on, is just

707
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: that timing is really important too, and that kind of

708
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: relate to what you mentioned to decoy can be something

709
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: that can be high risk, high reward, and lots of

710
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: times it won't work. Um, Like when I was doing

711
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: it some of it in Ohio, we spooked a lot.

712
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: A lot of does came in saw that decoy and

713
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: then got kind of nervous about it. So it can

714
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: definitely be risky. Um. But it seems like occasionally when

715
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: you're trying to swing for the fences during the heat

716
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: of the rut, like the crazy chasing, when bucks are

717
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: really you know, looking to kick some tail, that's the

718
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: time it might be worth trying. So for anyone out

719
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: there thinking about decoy, um, think about that. Like I said,

720
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: I'll post a link to that article that I think

721
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: had some solid tips for anyone that's interested in that,

722
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: and uh, definitely consider the importance to that position. Yeah,

723
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: and that's something that I think I might try later on.

724
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: But I don't My hunting properties don't have a lot

725
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: of wide open you know. It's like we're you know,

726
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: because the whole point of a decoy is to have

727
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: something see it from a distance and come to it.

728
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: And I don't know my hunting my hunting layouts really

729
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: don't benefit that. Yeah, yep. It definitely comes down to

730
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: what what kind of circumstances you've got? Yeah, for sure.

731
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: How about how about you dan anything that's popped into

732
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: your head while we've been talking about here that you

733
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure we mentioned in regards to uh

734
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: to some lessons we can take from our turkey hunting adventures.

735
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: I think turkey and dear do have some kind of similarity.

736
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: And this is what I've noticed this weekend as far

737
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: as how they travel terrain. Now, obviously a deer uses

738
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: their nose a lot more than a turkey does, but

739
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: it's seems to me that they're always crew. They're never

740
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: they're never really exposing themselves to the top of ridges.

741
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: They're always down off the ridge, so they're not skyline.

742
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: And you would think as a bird that struts, or

743
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: a peacock or any other type of bird that does

744
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: something colorful colorful or blows up to try to attract

745
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: a mate, you would want to be seen forever. But

746
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I noticed this weekend that these birds they're not. They're

747
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: still um looking out for themselves from a predator standpoint.

748
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: They're just over a ridge, whether it's one side or

749
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: the other, and they're never skylining themselves. So that might

750
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: be you know, because the bird that I was glassing

751
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: before I shot it, I noticed that he was down

752
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: off the tops. He was strutting along the edge um

753
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: or halfway down this uh, this little hill that he

754
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: was on, and when he came to me, he went

755
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: to the bottom, but he didn't come straight up to

756
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the top. He worked kind of like a diagonal motion

757
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: up the up the other little knoll that I was

758
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: sitting on, and he uh and right at the top

759
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: when he exposed himself is when I shot him. So

760
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: these and I think deer are the same way. They're

761
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: never they're never sitting on top of a hill unless

762
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: they're they're they're moving through it. They're never just hanging

763
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, that's an interesting point. I think another

764
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: when you said that, another thing that both turkeys and

765
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: dar seemed to do right is they want to take

766
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: the path of least resistance usually right. Um. You know,

767
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: I saw it with the turkeys recently. You know, when

768
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: a turkey's moving through this great, big cut cornfield, rather

769
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: than going up over the big hill, they go through

770
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: the saddle in between the two hills. Um, just like

771
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: a deer. Write a deer more often than not, they're

772
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: relatively lazy when it comes to that. And if they

773
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: can go through I don't know, if there's a creek

774
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: crossing and there's lower banks during one certain section, that's

775
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: gonna be a spot you're more likely to see deer. Um.

776
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: It's kind of those different funneling areas where more deer

777
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: gonna want to go through, Like a down fence or

778
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: anything along those lines can really funnel deer movement. And

779
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: I think the same thing goes for turkeys. There's actually

780
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: a spot, a spot I'm hopefully gonna be turkey hunting

781
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: this weekend with my dad and my friend where there's

782
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: a creek crossing that one of my other friends has

783
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: seen turkeys and notoriously crossing there because it's the only

784
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: shallow creek crossing. So a similar thing. They're going for

785
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: the easiest, the area of least resistance that they can,

786
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: that they can travel through and then without exposing themselves

787
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: too much to danger. Um. So yeah, some interesting parallels there. Yeah,

788
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I I do think, I do

789
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: think that in my opinion, that would be some of

790
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: like the most common denom the biggest common denominator. But uh,

791
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, as far as their senses are concerned, you know,

792
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: being able to you know, another another thing that I

793
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of noticed, and this is, you know, I'm kind

794
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: of scatter brained right here because I'm really excited. But

795
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: but in the right scenarios, these animals, just like a

796
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: majority of wild animals, their well being comes first. And

797
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: the only time there are some of these animals are

798
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: even vulnerable is in the breeding seasons when they're chasing

799
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, chasing their lovers and their patients. Is so,

800
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, you asked me to sit in a waiting

801
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: room for an hour, I would lose my mind. You ask,

802
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: you know, but my life doesn't depend on it. I've

803
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: seen bucks come in and just stand in one spot

804
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: and not move, not necessarily as Bucks, but deer in general.

805
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: If something doesn't feel right, they will sit there. And

806
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: they have all the patients in the world, because really,

807
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: what what is it gonna do to them if they

808
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: if if they wait a little bit longer, what they

809
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: wait till dark and then go eat? Or they they say, wow, man,

810
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: I think I'll just take my chance and then get shot. Yeah.

811
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: They usually don't do that, do that? No, I mean

812
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: they just stand perfectly still, and they are so observant.

813
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Whether it's um it, like you said, a stimulant, if

814
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: it is a scent, you've already lost that battle. Because

815
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: they typically don't question their nose. You may be able

816
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: to fool their eyes and they're hearing, uh is. I

817
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: think of all the things, I don't know, if you

818
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: were to rate, their highest sense would be nose, site ear.

819
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: But together they're all What did I say, I said,

820
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: no set site here? Yeah, no no site here. I

821
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: think they're all. I think they're all. You know, when

822
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: used together, they're unbeatable. It's a combination, yeah, for sure. Yeah,

823
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: And I think I think that's you bring up a

824
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: great point here. A big part of the reason why

825
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: I like to turkey hunt is I think whenever you're

826
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: putting yourself up against an animal that has senses like that,

827
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: in a survival instinct like that, it forces you to

828
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: sharpen yourself as a hunter. It forces you to better

829
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: understand your prey, to plan ahead, to to control yourself

830
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: in those moments. And whether that's a turkey or deer,

831
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: it's constantly making you a better hunter. So I feel

832
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: like coming out of Turkey season, by adding this additional

833
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: couple weeks of hunting, I really believe that does make

834
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: me a better deer hunter because every time you're out

835
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: there in the woods doing that, putting yourself to the

836
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: test against a wild animal like that, it forces you

837
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: to to sometimes fail, but to grow from that. And uh, gosh,

838
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it helps a lot. I

839
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with you more. Um. And one particular moment

840
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: is when this uh this Turkey season, when I heard

841
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: that God will walking up to that ridge and I

842
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: knew where he was at. I walked up to the

843
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: fence line, I asked him in my mind instead of

844
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: saying let's go right now, said stop, observe, make an

845
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: educated guess, and then make your move. I went. I

846
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: went over like three scenarios in my head on what

847
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: I what I could have done to try to get

848
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: this tom One was dropped, go the opposite ridge, walk

849
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: the fence line up through another section of timber, and

850
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: try to call him in. But because I already saw him,

851
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 1: I decided to do you know, um to drop down

852
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: and use that whole bush thing as uh, you know,

853
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: the use the bushes my disguise. So it surprised me

854
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: because typically I'm the kind of I'm just go go, go, go,

855
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: go go go, and and my my lack of patients

856
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: prior years, whether it's deer hunting, turkey hunting, life in

857
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: general has been kind of a fault of mine because

858
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm generally an impatient person. So my body in my

859
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: head so maybe subconsciously said stop what you're doing and

860
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: just think about this for a second. Man. I guess

861
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: I naturally made the right decision, but it surprised me.

862
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: I was just whoa the old me would have been

863
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: tearing out, tearing out there doing something stupid. It's it's

864
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: like that, you know, why don't we run down there

865
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: and get one of them cows? And the old bal says, well,

866
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: why don't we walk down there and get them all?

867
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: It's a smart bull. Yeah, yeah, that's uh. That's cool

868
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: to see that. And to have that self awareness too,

869
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: to recognize when you're kind of progressing as a hunter

870
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: and as a as a human. I guess even it's

871
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of neat. I like, it's it's cool looking back

872
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: and kind of reflecting on who we were in the

873
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: past as a hunter to where we are now. And

874
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: I think that's a it's nice to see that all

875
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: the work we put in and the continuing education we

876
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: try to go through it pays off in those ways.

877
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: So that's and that's exciting to watch not only others grow,

878
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: Like for for my wife, I I'm so excited now

879
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: that she shows an interest in turkey hunting because it's

880
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: something that I can share with her. Honestly, don't tell

881
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: her this, but I don't want to share deer hunting

882
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: with my wife. That's gonna be that's gonna be a

883
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson activity and Dan Johnson only now when my

884
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: daughter gets a little older. I'm gonna open the door,

885
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: and if she wants to explore it, I'm gonna I'm

886
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: gonna take her there. But if she doesn't show interest,

887
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna force her to force her to do it.

888
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: But my wife she doesn't really like. She doesn't really

889
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: show interest in the deer hunting side of it anyway.

890
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna push the envelope because I do

891
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: like my personal time by myself in the stand. Turkey

892
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: hunting is fine because the success rate you have turkey

893
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: hunting is just a little bit greater, and you don't

894
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: put as much work into a turkey as you do

895
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: a big. Yeah, it's a little different. I think that's

896
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: a good that's gonna be a good topic for us

897
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: to talk about. Another point though, about, you know, hunting

898
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: with your significant other or getting new people in hunting.

899
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: I think that's something we could talk a lot about. Um.

900
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: I think for me personally, I wouldn't mind it if

901
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: I could get Kylie into deer hunting. I think I

902
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: actually would like it. Um. I do value that alone

903
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: time in that personal space, and so I would definitely

904
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: still want that sometimes. But I also just love talking

905
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: about it. So much, and like almost all the time,

906
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: it's all I ever talk about. So if she could

907
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: be equally as excited about that, or even moderately excited

908
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: about that, that make my dinner conversations at least a

909
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: little more fun. Yeah, for sure that that's hilarious that

910
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: you bring that up, because before this podcast, you know,

911
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: once a week I get to talk to you and

912
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: we get to talk about deer hunting, and we get

913
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: to talk about whatever it is that's on her mind. Now.

914
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: The other day at the dinner table, I'm sitting here

915
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: talking to my wife about the scent glands on a

916
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: deer on a buck, how they used them, and she

917
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: she's looking at me like, would you just shut up?

918
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: Because I don't care about the tarsal glands on a

919
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: white tailed deer. She's just like she was just acting like, yeah, okay,

920
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, like being polite and showing some kind of

921
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: interest when it was really just going in one ear

922
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: and out the other. Yeah. I guess that's payback for

923
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: when you listen to her talk about them, all right,

924
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: Von Maller's your guilty pleasure. Oh geez, yeah, that's uh,

925
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: that's funny stuff. But I don't know, but I think

926
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: this is probably a decent place to wrap up. There's

927
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: actually a whole bunch of other things I wanted to

928
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: talk about, but we uh, you know how we get

929
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: We just start talking about stuff. Is there anything else

930
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure that what we covered in

931
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to decoying, um, just know

932
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: that there are negatives and positives too, you know, to

933
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: all everything that you use them for. And uh, um

934
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: they are to be seen by the animal and for

935
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: that animal to come into your location. Uh. If the

936
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: animal can't, if the turkey or the deer can't see them,

937
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: they're not gonna come into it like you hoped there,

938
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're calling, they're gonna you know,

939
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: turkeys typically come straight into the call. A deer will

940
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: loop around and try to get the your sent But

941
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be able to use your

942
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: experiences from previous you know, situations to make it, you know,

943
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: learn from your mistakes or learn from your your successes. Yeah, yeah,

944
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: I think that I think we should have a whole

945
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: episode at some point dedicated to decoying and maybe get

946
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: someone in here a little smarter than me and you

947
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: to talk about decoying. UM, because I think we at

948
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: least I definitely want to learn a lot more about that.

949
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of listeners too, because it's

950
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: one of those things that it's kind of not a

951
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: ton of people do it, but the people that do

952
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: UM seem to have some exciting stories at least to

953
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: tell about what it does work. So we'll have talking

954
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: about the time. You know, I I know some guys

955
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: who are dead serious. Every time they go out, even

956
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: mid mid early October, they're they're pulling decoys in and

957
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: they some guys won't hunt without them. Uh, And I

958
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: just I would love to hear their reasoning on why they,

959
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, think they work so good. Yeah. Well, make

960
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: sure all the listeners tune in later on the Weird

961
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Hunting Podcast when whenever we talk about decoys. UM. I

962
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: guess that said, then Dan, let's let's wrap things up here.

963
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: Sounds good, um. So, as always, thank you to everyone

964
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: out there sitting in your car or at work or

965
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,400
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966
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast. We appreciate that. I'm glad that

967
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,359
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968
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: to us so far that's been listening to the podcast,

969
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: it sounds like people are enjoying, so that's great. I

970
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,240
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971
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972
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973
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975
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,520
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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,360
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977
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