1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Why do we keep having domestic violence Awareness Month? We've 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: been having it for years. Why do we keep doing 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: that and then never actually do anything about it? Why 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: are women being murdered every day at the hands of 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: their quote intimate partner, very often the perpetrators having a 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: rap sheet as long as my arm. Why are these 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: guys and sorry guys, but it typically is the man. 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes the female is the aggressor. Why do they keep 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: getting right back out from behind bars. I covered the 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: case of Kiera Hudson. She even had videos of her 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: being beaten by the Adam Benefield. He then tracks her 12 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: down on the way to draping the children off at school. 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: She's so afraid she's wearing a bulletproof vest. He rams 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: into her car, comes out with a shotgun and shots 15 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: her dead with the children in the back seat. He 16 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: had so many convictions under his belt. Why was he 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: walking free? Well, guess what, it's happened again. So Congress, 18 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: you can take your domestic awareness label and put it 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: where the sun don't shine. And I'm saying that nicely 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: in a loving and caring way until you do something 21 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: about it. Don't give me a proclamation that you're naming 22 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: a month after it. If you're going to allow the 23 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: violence to continue on women and mothers all across this country, 24 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean, see grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you 25 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation series XM 26 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: one eleven. Julian Chavez may he wrought in hell. You 27 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this. Take a listen to 28 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: our friend Randy Wallace at Fox twenty six. Here's a 29 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: breaking bond First, Chavez actually did time in jail and 30 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: was convicted of four misdemeanors while still on bond. For 31 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: the felony charges, he did time in the county jail 32 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: four times while on bond, and yet was still allowed 33 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: to remain on bond and still allowed to be put 34 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: back in the community to make her life a living hell. 35 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Chavez was recently charged with violating a protective order of felony. 36 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: He was found in possession of a nine millimeter block handgun. 37 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: It's documented Tiber Domestic Viole Awareness Month, but judges don't 38 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: seem to know anything about that, and they are perpetrating 39 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: a very dangerous trend of letting violent offenders back out 40 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: revolving doors. They barely have time for the ink to 41 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: dry on the purps fingerprints before they get out, and 42 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: where do they go first to go stop and harass 43 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: and murder the original female victim. I mean, I got 44 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: a question for you joining me special guests, chow win now, 45 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: I want you to know how that's spelled chau last 46 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: name n gu y e N. I usually don't do that, 47 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: but I want you to be able to find her 48 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: online on Facebook, chow When, on Twitter, at chow TX, 49 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: and stuff at chow When Houston. She's a licensed trauma therapist. Child. 50 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Just the rhetorical question, but just hearing me, why do 51 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: we even have Domestic Violence Awareness Month? It's total best 52 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: to keep screaming from the top of our roofs to 53 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: protect survivors, and what they want to do are two things, Nancy. 54 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: They want to heal from their wounds and they want accountability. 55 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: And the systems that are meant to protect survivors fail 56 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: them when perpetrators get out of jail time after time. 57 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the abject fear this woman 58 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: is living in thinking that her perpetrator, her abuser, is 59 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: going to jail, but he keeps getting out. That affects 60 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: your trauma response for a lifetime. You know what, I 61 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: hear you chawin and I want her to get emotionally 62 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: and mentally well, but I can't do that if she's dead. 63 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: And seemingly that's okay with this judge. They keeps letting 64 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: Julian shovez out this Houston, Texas judge. Take a listen 65 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: more from our friend Randy Wallace, Fox twenty six. Based 66 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: on court documents, twenty one year old Julian Chaves will 67 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: not abide by his bond conditions, but he will keep 68 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: getting new criminal charges. And they keep releasing this guy, 69 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: and he keeps harassing, stalking, breaking into her home. Almost 70 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: all of the misdemeanor and felony charges filed against Chavez 71 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: involved the same woman. The charges include stalking and harassment. 72 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: How could you put any faith in our system when 73 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: you keep releasing this guy over and over again and 74 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: he keeps repeating the same crimes over and over again. Guys, 75 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: he's not the only horses ass in this scenario. Julian 76 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: Chavez is out roaming the streets. We've got a judge 77 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: to deal with. Take a listen to more from Randy Wallace. 78 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: The DA's office has two hundred and thirty second criminal 79 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: District Judge Josh Hill to revoke Chaves his bond and 80 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: deny Bill for the leaders charge. Instead, Judge Josh Hill 81 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: set Chaves his bond at one hundred thousand dollars. Chavez 82 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: is now a freeman. She filed a protective order. A 83 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: protective order is supposed to protect victims from their perpetrators, 84 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: not leave them in fear of their lives. Who and 85 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: the h E double l is this horse is rear 86 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: ind Judge Josh Hill, I'll tell you he is and 87 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: experienced criminal defense lawyer. Thank you. Let that so ken. 88 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: So you're a woman who has been stopped and harassed 89 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: and tortured, and you're in front of a judge whose 90 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: only history is of criminal defense defending the perpetrator. And 91 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: let's just get real, Nicole de board Hote club is 92 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: with me renown criminal defense attorney out of Houston, former 93 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: prosecutor at Houston criminal Defense dot com or Twitter to 94 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: board law Nicole, can we just get real for a 95 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: moment when we hear a bond is set at one 96 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, well, that's that is misleading because all 97 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: the part hasts to put up at most is ten 98 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: percent of that. Well, that's true, But I have to 99 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: say there are quite a few things here that are 100 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: a little bit not quite correct. And one thing that 101 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: I think is worth pointing out is that this particular 102 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: judge is well respected by the District Attorney's office and 103 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: by the defense far because he is a former prosecutor 104 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: as well as a defense lawyer. Oh, then that means 105 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: he should know better. Well. In Texas, the law requires 106 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: that the prosecutor make a motion, and the law also 107 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: requires that the judge give a hearing. This judge has 108 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 1: set a hearing as required by law in this particular case. 109 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: Hands are tied. So are you telling me that he 110 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: cannot overrule what a prosecutor offers. The prosecutor in this 111 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: case has offered nothing. They have only filed a motion. 112 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: The law requires that they put on evidence in a 113 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: hearing that has not occurred. So how did they get 114 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: a bond set without a hearing? Because that he is 115 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: absolutely required by the constitution in the state of Texas 116 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: and the law to give a bond. If the prosecution 117 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: wants no bond, they have to have this hearing and 118 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: present evidence. Then why did the judge set the bond 119 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: so low? It's this bond for this type of crime 120 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: is ten times what it normally is in this jurisdiction 121 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: for this type of case. With a guy with this history. 122 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: You know what, let's talk about the history. Joining me, 123 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: Andy Khan, Director of Victim Services and Advocacy Crime Stoffers, Houston, Andy, 124 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: this guy has a rap sheet as long as my 125 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: arm and the judge and the prosecutor Nicole is right 126 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: about that. They both have the rap sheet. They can 127 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: see what this guy, Julian Chavez, has been doing. Yeah, 128 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: the judge, in my opinion, gives a low bond. He 129 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: has violated his GPS conditions repeatedly. He's been charged with 130 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: unpainted amount of crimes while out on multiple bonds. I'm 131 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: just going to read from the notes that are presented 132 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: to the magistrate there are no bond conditions that will 133 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: protect this complainant. The defendant continues to threaten, harass, and 134 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: stalk her. Even if you had to grant a bond, 135 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: you could have made it astronomically high to send a message. 136 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: You could have said half a million dollars. You could 137 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: have easily have done that. And let's keep in mind 138 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: his bond had actually been forfeited on the felonies three 139 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: times because he didn't show up in court, and then 140 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: they reinstated his bond. Like Randy and I have said 141 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: in this story that we did, this guy was actually 142 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: convicted of four offenses and sentenced to time served in 143 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: a county jail four different times, and yet still allowed 144 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: to remain on felony bond. Yeah. I get it, there's 145 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: a hearing set, but in the meantime he's been out. Okay, 146 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, let me understand the hearing that 147 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: Nicole de board Punch Globe was demanding has actually been set, 148 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: but instead I'm letting the defendant sit there for the 149 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: hearing or move the hearing up. The judge gave a 150 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: low bond. Ten thousand is a low bond when you 151 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: are a repeat offender. And number one, so the hearing 152 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: was set, Andy Kahan, based on what you're telling me. 153 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: And number two, what notes are you talking about? Notes 154 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: to what magistrate notes when he was taken into custody 155 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: several times specifically state that no bond conditions will protect 156 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: this twenty year old victim who's been repeatedly stalked, harassed, 157 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: has had her home broken into. He has violated every 158 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: time there's been a protective order, he's removed and taken 159 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: off his GPS. I don't know what makes you think 160 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: by releasing him, he's gonna buye by any condition. You 161 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: and I both know these are the cases that will 162 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: eventually end up on the ten o'clock news. One ends 163 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: up pace and paying the price, and then we all 164 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: shrug our shoulders and fame outrage. We had a chance 165 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: to be proactive in this particular case because the defendant 166 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: has repeatedly said, I'm not going to buy by anything 167 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: you give me. So let's cut this out, put him 168 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: back in custody, and then you can determine what happens 169 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: from here. But in the meantime, give this twenty year 170 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: old young lady some peace of mind and restore her 171 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: faith in the justice system. As another homicide statistic Time 172 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Randy Wallace joining me, you've heard 173 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: his awesome reporting, joining us from Fox twenty six in Houston. 174 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: Randy tell me the whole thing start at the beginning. Well, 175 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: the one thing that I do want to point out 176 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: is that Josh Judge, Josh Hill, he has kind of 177 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: a history of doing this He's one of several judges 178 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: that have released repeat violent offenders out on multiple bonds 179 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: and then they go on to allegedly commit a murder. 180 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: And I mean, Andy and I have seen many times where, 181 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: especially in these domestic violent situations, where the perpetrator just 182 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: goes on until they eventually killed the woman. And I mean, 183 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: it's totally prevailable if you just put these people back 184 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: in jail for violating conditions of their bonds. Hey, hey, Randy, 185 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: Randy Wallace joining us in Fox twenty six so I 186 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: can hear all that Nicole has to say about him 187 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: being a former prosecutor and longtime defense attorney and how 188 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: well respected he is really because here he is in 189 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: the headlines judge answering questions about suspects bonds and that's 190 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: six months ago, eight months ago, and he goes on 191 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: and on and on. Even the newspapers are writing about 192 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: his low bonds and how these people get out and 193 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: commit murder. How did the whole thing start, Randy Wallace, Well, 194 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: it all started out I guess around two thousand nineteen. 195 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: It was Anti Kahn who sort of noticed this pattern 196 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: where these people were out on multiple bonds. And when 197 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: he first brought it to my ATENSI and I was like, no, Eddy, 198 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: that's not possible. You can't have six of eight felony bonds. Well, 199 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: obviously it was true, and we're up to I think 200 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three Harris County residents who were 201 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: killed allegedly at the hands of a repeat violent offender 202 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: who's free from jail on multiple felony bonds. I've never 203 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: seen anything like it in the three decades that I've 204 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: been reporting for Fox twenty six year in Houston. Here's 205 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: another headline where this judge what's his name again, Randy Wallace, 206 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Josh Hill, Josh Kill Okay. According to court records, October nineteen, 207 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: defendant named Tatum charged with murder on a murder as 208 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: bonds said at fifty thousand, which means basically has to 209 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: put out his mother's house. That means five thousand dollars bond. 210 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: He made a bond a few days later, and while 211 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: out on bond for that murder, he's charged with agasol 212 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: with a deadly weapon. So, long story short, here's a 213 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: guy denied bond finally on an accused murder, and he 214 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: was actually out on bond for another murder, and then 215 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: there's an agassault in there somewhere. So he's out on 216 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: bond for murder, he commits another murder. That was all 217 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: the way back at starting in twenty nineteen, and now 218 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: the same judge has let Julian Chavez out. Randy Wallace 219 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: explained to me the degree of stalking and harassment on 220 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: this twenty year old female. Well, I think Andy hit 221 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: it on the head when he was reading from the 222 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: court document that basically, and it's true, there's no bond 223 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: conditions that will protect this woman. He repeatedly, repeatedly violated 224 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: the terms of his bond. There were a lot of 225 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: times when he either didn't have on the track device 226 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: or the battery was dead. That's something else too. I 227 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: think what really upsets me the most anymore is that 228 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: you know they put these people on monitoring devices. Well, 229 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: half the time the defendant doesn't bother to actually get it, 230 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: or they don't wear it. We've done many stories where 231 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: the defendant is wearing an electronic monitoring device when they're 232 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: committing another crime. Je Mike Herman joining me, private investigator. 233 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: You can find him at Hermann Investigations. That's Hermann with 234 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: two ends. On the end Herman Investigations dot Com former 235 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: Lieutenant author Mike Herman. He was found. Now this is 236 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: while he's out on bond, a low bond set by 237 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Judge Josh Hill, who has a terrible reputation of letting 238 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: people out on bond. That shitt me out on bond. 239 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: While he's out on bond, he's in possession of a 240 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: Glock nine. Explain what is the glock nine and why 241 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: it's so dangerous. Well, it's obviously has the possession of 242 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: a firearm. The restraining order and protective orders didn't keep 243 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: him from being able to obtain one. The biggest issues 244 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: we're saying is this isn't just this is a nationwide 245 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: We've gotten to a point to where we want to 246 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: protect the criminals out there, and we're under the name 247 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: of reform where you're constantly getting released where you should be. 248 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Some of these guys need to stay in custody, but 249 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: they constantly get released, and they keep committing these crimes 250 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: and then they go out with all these charges and 251 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: he's still able to get hold of a weapon. And yes, 252 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: this poor girl's going to end up dead down the 253 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: line and nobody's going to hold this guy responsible for 254 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: his actions. But we want to make excuses that it's 255 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: the system, and then you want to blame law enforcement 256 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: for not doing their job. Well, how many times are 257 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: they supposed to go out and let me let me 258 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: tell you, let me tell you exactly what he did. 259 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: So he goes to the victim's home and again remind you, 260 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: he's already on multiple protective orders, and she doesn't open 261 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: the door. He kicks the door open three or four times. 262 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: Then the complainant of the young lady, she ran into 263 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: the kitchen. The defendant stops, he punches a mirror that 264 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: was hanging on the wall. Then he's also found while 265 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 1: there after the police come. He's found in possession of 266 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: a nine millimeter glock handgun. This was just the latest 267 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: offense that he had. Six months earlier, he broke into 268 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: her home and basically vandalized and destroyed it just to 269 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: let her know that I'm still here. No charges are 270 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: going to stop me, no conditions of bond are going 271 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: to stop me, And I am going to characterize you 272 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: as often as I can. Yet I continue to go 273 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: back and say, you know what, this defendant pretty much 274 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: bears his bones as to who and what he is repeatedly, 275 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: but the system keeps allowing him out to do what 276 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: he does best. And we all know where this is 277 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: going to end up one day if we continue to 278 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: let him out in the community, which appears to be 279 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: the norm these days. I was mentioning and questioning what 280 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: exactly is the glott of nine? Is a glott nine 281 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: millimeter weapon And despite how long the Glotton nine has 282 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: been around, due to innovations in the ammunition, lethality and 283 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 1: the squeeze greater performance, it is now build as one 284 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: of the top five deadliest nine nine millimeter ever. And 285 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: here this guy is who has multiple protection orders against 286 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: him and it's out on bond. Here he is with 287 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: a loaded Glot nine to Randy Wallace joining a Fox 288 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: twenty six. How can that be? How can there be 289 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: so many protective orders? And basically hold on Nicole's board globe, 290 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: What is a protective order? Exactly? So, in Harris County, 291 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: the prosecutor has the well in all counties in Texas, 292 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: the prosecutor has the option to file when there is 293 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: a case involving domestic violence allegations a protective order. And 294 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: in the state of Texas it is also a crime 295 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: to violate those conditions. It has been the regular practice 296 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: in this county for many years to go ahead and 297 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: file the order. It has been a less consistent practice 298 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: by the District Attorney's office to actually file criminal charges 299 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: when they buy Okay, my question to you was, what 300 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: is a protective order for people that don't know, so 301 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: if protective order is an order from the court saying 302 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: that they cannot a person charged with the crime involving 303 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: domestic violence cannot go anywhere near the residence, workplace, or 304 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: school of ldren involving the complainant in the case, and 305 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: if they do, they can be charged with a crime. 306 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: Randy Wallace, Fox twenty six. How many do we even 307 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: know protective orders have been filed against Julian Chevez. I'm 308 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: sure there was one in this case. Yes, several several, 309 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: and he's basically ignored them, and their court has allowed 310 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: him to ignore them because nothing is done to him. 311 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: And one thing I want to point out real quick, 312 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: there was a period of time in Harris County where 313 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: you didn't have to have ten percent of bond amount. 314 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: There were there were bail bonding companies that two three 315 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: was all you needed of the bond amount to get 316 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: out of jail. To you, Andy Kahan, explain how the 317 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: bail bondsman fit into this when you can't. So this judge, 318 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: this weak judge, Josh Hill, there's one hundred thousand dollars bail. 319 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: So then that means you only have to put up 320 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: ten percent of that, which is ten thousand. But if 321 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: Julie Chavez as a have ten grand or property worth 322 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: ten grand, he goes to a bail bondsman and explain 323 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: how that works. He's got to have basically nothing in 324 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: exchange for a bond. Well, based on his financial advid David, 325 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't work, he doesn't know where he lives, because 326 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: he only says he's been living at this place for 327 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: two weeks. So it's a great mystery where he keeps 328 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: up coming up with all the money for all these bonds. 329 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: But obviously somebody's putting up the bond for him. So 330 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: prior to eight April or actually May of two twenty two, 331 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: there were several bonding companies in Harris County that kind 332 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: of figured out that we don't even have to do 333 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: ten percent. We can put you on a payment plan, 334 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: and some of them were going two percent three percent, 335 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: four percent, and then kind of like buying a car 336 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: every month, any of you would put up some money 337 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: to continue the bond. Whether that was done in this case, 338 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: we really don't know. But it's against policy right now 339 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: in Harris County to do a less than ten percent bond. 340 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: And let's keep in mind on this particular case, he 341 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: has already been convicted twice of violating a protective order 342 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: and he was actually sentenced to time in a Harris 343 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: County jail for several hundred days. So you've got convictions 344 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: of violating a protective order, You've got convictions of criminal trespassing, 345 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: all in which he breaks into the victim's home. You 346 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: have felony stocking charges, and now finally you get another 347 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: felony violating a protective order, only this time he's down 348 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: a possession of a nine millimeter glock handgun and he's 349 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: still allowed to return back to the community. Is it true, 350 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: Nicole Debord hots Globe joining US lawyer in Houston, that 351 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: this judge has released Tiendafantas on bond who went on 352 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: to allegedly commit murder. Let me tell you a little secret. 353 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: Whether this judge has or not, I do not know. 354 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: But the next judge that sits on this bench, if 355 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: it's not the same judge, will do exactly the same thing. Okay, 356 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: stop if you don't know the answer, that's okay. But 357 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't think are a soothsayer or a fortune teller 358 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: or a clairvoyant. So you have no idea what the 359 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: next judge may or may not do. And yes, I'm 360 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: not sure that you know that. There are several lawyers 361 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: on the panel. We all know about the Constitution. We 362 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: all know that there are bell hearings required under the Constitution. 363 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: But whether the judge grants it or goes along with 364 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: what the DA says or suggests is not determined by 365 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: the Constitution. The judge determines that, Andy Kahan, Now I've 366 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: got to consider the source, and I'm telling get it 367 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: with a box of salt. But Joshua Norman running against Hill, 368 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: which thank god, somebody's running against him. I don't know 369 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: the man. I wouldn't know him if he jumped up 370 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: and bit me in the neck. I don't have a 371 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: dog in this fight. But I do know what the 372 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: stats are saying about Judge Josh Hill. So his competitor, 373 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: Josh Norman and again, take it with a box of salt, says. 374 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: Hill has released ten defendants who go on bond they 375 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: go on to commit alleged murder. But it's not just 376 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: those ten. I'm talking about this chase right now, Chevez. Well, 377 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: keep in mind too that while on bond, he forfeited 378 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: his bond, so he didn't even show up in court. 379 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: So I don't know what more you need to think 380 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: that this person represents a danger to community. Okay, and 381 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: even let's go back and say you have to give 382 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: a bond, and I get that you have to have 383 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: a bond hearing. That's what you have to do, yea, 384 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: to have a hearing. Go ahead. This guy is such 385 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: a threat to the community. It's fairly obvious. So instead 386 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: of putting it one hundred grand, you could have sent 387 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: the message and saying, you know what, mister Shabbaz, every 388 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: time I release you one bond, you commit another offense. 389 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: Enough is enough. This time you were found in possession 390 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: of the nine millimeter glock handgun. I'm going to set 391 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: the bond astronomically high so you can't meet it. That 392 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: didn't happen. So now we're putting this young lady's life 393 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: in danger and it's not the first time it's happened. 394 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: We were just reporting on Kiera Hudson in Upstate New York, 395 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: taking us an hour cut to be our friends from 396 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: wk b W. She's just been trying to get help. 397 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: I've been with her once to police stations. She's been 398 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: texting me, sending me videos, giving me her phone password 399 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: just in case. Montaga. Jeter says her sister, Kiara Hudson, 400 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: was in an abusive relationship, even posting a disturbing video 401 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: on social media that shows her getting beaten up. Jeter 402 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: says her sister was staying with her mother because she 403 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: feared for her life. He was going to stand at 404 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: my mom hospital last two days and she was going 405 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: to go to court today because he was trying to 406 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: get custody in but she never made it to court 407 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: or work. Family members telling me Kara strapped on a 408 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: bulletproof vest before leaving the house Wednesday morning, got in 409 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: her SUV with her three kids and was on her 410 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: way to drop them off at school when she was 411 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: shot and killed. Shot and kill. Mom sair afraid she 412 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: was wearing a bulletproof vest. But listen to this. Our 413 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: friends at wiv B Cut sixteen. B Adam Benefield's past 414 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: includes an escape from a local jail and a violent 415 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: domestic incident with an ex girlfriend. Back in March two thousand, 416 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: Benefield was armed with a shotgun when he abducted his 417 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: estranged girlfriend and another woman on the Kensington Expressway before 418 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: leading police on a high speed chase. He was twenty 419 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: two at the time of the incident. Then, in September 420 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: of the same year, while awaiting trial, he escaped from 421 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: the Erie County Correctional Facility in Alden by climbing over 422 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: a fifteen foot wall. That was Kiera Hudson. But let's 423 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: go back to what's happening right there in Houston, taking 424 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: us at our Cut thirteen. The greatest love the purse 425 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: can have given their life for another person, and that's 426 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: exactly what she did. On Saturday. Police say Bocan was 427 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: trying to help her co worker get inside the business 428 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: after a Humphrey stole her purse and was rattling with 429 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: the guy, trying to get him away where she could 430 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: shut the door and lock it, and he stuck a 431 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: gun up there and shot her. Humphrey was shot to 432 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: death Monday by Sheriff Steppy's fearing he was armed. Twenty 433 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: eight year old Nathan Humphrey Junior was a career criminal. 434 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: Here's someone as a teenager you're going back and look 435 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: at his record. He got five years in a penitential 436 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, back in two twelve for aggerator robbery with 437 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: a deadly weapon. In August of last year, Humphrey was 438 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: freed from jail with a person of a cognitance bond 439 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: for a terroristic threat charge. He never returned to courts, 440 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: but picked up two felawy assault charges. He was a 441 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: wanted fugitive when officials say he gunned down fifty nine 442 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: year olds Robin Bochum, the manager of a North Side 443 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: cracker barrel. You know what, Let's bring it back to 444 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: this case and what we call domestic violence Awareness Month. 445 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: Take listen to our friend Randy Wallace, he cut twenty five. 446 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: Some judges here at Harris County are behind a disturbing trend. 447 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: Back in twenty seventeen, only thirty defendants were granted bond 448 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: for violating a protective order. Last year that number rose 449 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: to four hundred and twenty. Joshua Norman, who's running against 450 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty. Second Criminal District Court Judge Josh 451 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: Shild says Judge Hill has released ten defendants on bond 452 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: who on to allegedly commit murder. It's ten people that 453 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: perhaps to need to lose their lives for a variety 454 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: of different reasons, but it's just it's not good for 455 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: the community. It basically is terrible for public safety. Judge 456 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: Josh Schill told us he of course cannot discuss a 457 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: pending case, but says he might consider doing an interview 458 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: later this week Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So judges 459 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: here at Harris County are behind a disturbing trend. Back 460 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, only thirty defendants were granted bond for 461 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: violating a protective order. Last year, that number rose to 462 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty. Joshua Normand, who's running against two 463 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty. Second Criminal District Court Judge Josh Schilt, 464 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: says Judge Hill has released ten defendants on bond who 465 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: went on to allegedly commit murder. It's ten people that 466 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: perhaps didn't need to lose their lives for a variety 467 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: of different reasons, but it's just it's not good for 468 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: the community. It basically is terrible for public safety. Judge 469 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Joshill told us he of course cannot discuss a pending case, 470 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: but says he might consider doing an interview later this week. 471 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Can't discuss, okay. Randy Wallace joining us from Fox twenty 472 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: six Houston. I want to get back on track with 473 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: Julian Chavez. Where does the case stand right now? Well, 474 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: right now, he's basically walking the streets among us, and 475 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to even believe that somebody could 476 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: be accused of all the things that he's accused of, 477 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: all the violations, and yet he's a freeman, as we speak, 478 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: a freeman. Andy Kahn, a freeman. Mike Kerman the cold Board, 479 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: Hodge Flood weigh in. Mike Kerman, you're basically killing the 480 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: victims here that the system is not going to protect you. 481 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 1: They don't care, it doesn't care about you. You're on 482 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: your own, and you're forcing them to take the steps 483 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: to have to figure out how they're going to defend 484 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: themselves or hide away, while you're allowing these people to 485 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: go out and just take advantage and do anything they 486 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: want to do it again. Yeah, he's out on a 487 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: bond and he's got a loaded handgun on him, and 488 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: still you're going to get released. It just makes no 489 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: sense to Andy Kahn, the director of the Victim's Services, 490 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: an advocacy at Crime Staffers of Houston. Andy, could you 491 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: again for me and for others that didn't get it 492 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: the first time, because there's so much it's like drinking 493 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: out of the fire hydrant. What exactly is it a 494 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: LaGG Chavez did to the young female victim in this case, 495 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: the latest case, and keep in mind there's nine other 496 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: charges for him which he's been convicted of where he 497 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: broke into her home, chased her, smashed her mint window, 498 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: and displayed a non millimeter glock handgun. That's what he's 499 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: currently out on bond for now. The District Attorney's office 500 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: asked for no bail. They also stated no conditions of 501 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: bond will keep this victim safe. He has violated every 502 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: condition of bond every time you have released him. In 503 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: the last two years, He's been convicted four times while 504 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: out on bond. Yet he's back out again. It's going 505 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see what happens in the 506 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: light of some of the coverage that we put on 507 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: this particular case. But my concern is for this twenty 508 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: year old who has to live in fear every second, 509 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: every minute of somebody who's repeatedly shown he's not going 510 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: to do anything you ask him. Did I hear you 511 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: correctly that the projectors asked for no bond? That is correct. 512 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking right at the document right here, no bail requested, Nicole, 513 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: Dear Hodge Club, I thought you said that that was 514 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: not the case. No, that is the case. The problem 515 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: in Harris County is that they follow these as forms 516 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: and then don't follow up with the necessary evidence required 517 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: by state law. In this case, they have actually asked 518 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: for a hearing, which is the necessary second step. They 519 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: actually have to present evidence. They can't just file the form. 520 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: The judge's hands are tied. He cannot hold someone at 521 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: no bond just because they file the form. Okay, question, 522 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: how about the fact that he could read the documents. 523 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: Judge Josh Hill had all these documents about chevest that 524 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the documents? Are you telling me, Nicole 525 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the defenitive rap sheet in front 526 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: of him. He doesn't until they admitted as part of 527 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: the hearing. That is absolutely not true. When a judge 528 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: looks at a bond, whether it's part of a hearing 529 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: or not. The judge has the rap sheet at the 530 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: bare minimum in his judicial file or hers. He does 531 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: not have to be submitted by the prosecutor. The judge 532 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: has that and his or her own file. This judge, 533 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: they've got to subment judgment. As I was trying to say, 534 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: Andy Kahn, when a judge has a bond decision, whether 535 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: it's a full on hearing or granting the bond, they 536 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: have the defendant's rap sheet. Judge Josh Hill knew who 537 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: this guy is and what his rap sheet was when 538 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: he cut him loose. I would be stunned if he 539 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening, because, like you said, he 540 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: said one hundred thousand dollars bond, which is rather high 541 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: for violence. So you had to have known this person 542 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: was a repeat offender in order to set what you 543 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: will presume to be a high bond. And also one 544 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: of the builds that we passed last session Nfil six 545 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: actually required that criminal history you'd be read and actually 546 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: signed off on at least by a magistrate before you 547 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: grant a bond. It would be stunning to hear that 548 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: this particular judge was not aware of his criminal history 549 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: and acclivity to violate his bond on teeth amount of times. 550 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: Back to Randy Wallace fought twenty six Houston. You asked 551 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: the judge to give a comment. What happened? He basically, well, 552 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: like I said in the piece, you know, he said 553 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: that I can't, of course comment on appending case in 554 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: his court, but he was considering doing an interview. I've 555 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: been doing Breaking Bond about these judges, an ongoing series 556 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: for more than two years, and there's only one current 557 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: judge that's actually done an interview. She appeared on the 558 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: behind Breaking Bond, a live stream that that I do 559 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: with Andy Khanja Oh India. Can't think of her name? 560 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: What's her name? And Marissa and two for eighty second. Yes, 561 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: but these judges are just they want to do these things. 562 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: They don't want to answer any questions about it. And 563 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: if a judge cannot actually put you in jail for 564 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: violating the conditions of your bond, what's the whole reason 565 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: behind it? Why even bother? Right now she has is 566 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: walking free. His twenty year old victim remains unnamed because 567 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: she is afraid We wait as justice and faults. Nancy 568 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: Grace from story sum Offer