1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 2: It is his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: with you and Senator we have got a lot to 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: talk about it, especially with the border. As you're hearing 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: from many Texans that are frustrated with what's going on. 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. I'm in South Texas right now. 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 3: Next week, the Senate will receive articles of impeachment for 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 3: Alejandro Majorcas and the Senate will have to act on it. 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: We're going to do a deep dive tonight on what 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: to expect in the impeachment trial of Alejandro Mayorcis, how 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: the Democrats are going to try to avoid this, cover 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: it up, hide it, how Chuck Schumer plans to ignore 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: the constitutional responsibility of the Senate, and everything to know 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: about what to expect next week. We're also going to 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 3: examine how the media is turning on Joe Biden. It's 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: truly quite remarkable. The New York Times, the Washington Post, 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: they've all suddenly discovered the guys old. Apparently he wasn't 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: old a few weeks ago, but it just struck him 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: out of nowhere. And it sure seems like rats are 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: are fleeing a sinking ship in a way that makes 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: you wonder what's next. 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, wait till you hear these headlines that they're actually printing. 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: They've never done this before. The bidens. Before we get 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: into the border issue in my orchis, let me tell 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: you about our friends at Patriot Mobile. If you have 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: a cell phone, listen up. 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Explain why this letter was so 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: important and not a lot of Republicans sign this letter. 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: You guys are truly leading the way on this. 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: Well. Next week the Senate will receive the articles of 60 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: impeachment and the Senate will return from recess on February 61 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: twenty sixth, and under the Senate rules, when the Senate 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: receives articles of impeachment. The next thing that happens is 63 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 3: that senators are sworn in as jurors the next day, 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: and a trial is supposed to proceed. However, Chuck Schumer 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: has made clear he doesn't want to have a trial. 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: He doesn't want anyone in America to know about the 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: absolute disaster that is unfolding on our southern border. And 68 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: so what Schumer is indicated he intends to do is 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: use a procedural mechanism called tabling the articles of impeachment. 70 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: What does it mean to table the articles of impeachment? 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: It means he wants the Senate to vote no, we're 72 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: not going to take these up. In other words, he 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: wants the Senate not to adjudicate the articles of impeachment 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: at all, not to conclude guilty or not guilty, simply 75 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: to table it on a party line vote and move on. 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 3: And the purpose of this, look, we've talked a lot 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: on this podcast about how the disaster on the southern border. 78 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: You cannot defend it on the merits, you cannot defend 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: it on the substance. The Democrats have one strategy, and 80 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: one strategy only, and that is hide it from the 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 3: American people. In order to hide it from the American people. 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: They need to make sure that the average person doesn't 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: know the human suffering that the Democrats open borders are causing. 84 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: That's why Schumer wants to table the articles of impeachment 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: at the outset, never have a trial, never hear the evidence, 86 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: never consider anything, and never put any Senator on record 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: adjudicating the claims. And so, in response to that, Mike 88 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: Lee and I together led a letter to Mitch McConnell, 89 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: and it's a letter that was signed by thirteen senators 90 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: and it calls on Mitch McConnell to stand up and 91 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: fight for the Senate to fulfill our constitutional obligation under 92 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: the terms of the Constitution, when the House impeaches, we 93 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: have an obligation to conduct a trial and to adjudicate 94 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 3: the guilt or innocence of the individual who's impeached. And 95 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer is trying to, for the first time in 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 3: our country's history in over two hundred years, refuse to 97 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: adjudicate an article of impeachment. Simply table it, make it 98 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: go away, say never mind, nothing to see here, and 99 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: give every Democrat senator a get out of jail free 100 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: pass by avoiding the need for them to give an 101 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: answer on guilt or innocence. 102 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: Let's talk about what this try would look like and explain, 103 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: because this is not saying it's happened in my lifetime. 104 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: It's something it's very rare when it's a cabinet member 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: obviously throughout history. But let's talk about what a trial 106 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: would actually look like. Does it look very much like 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: what we've seen before when it comes to an impeachment 108 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: trial for a president. 109 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: Well, it potentially does, but there are differences. So, for example, 110 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 3: the Constitution specifies that when the president of the United 111 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: States is impeached, the Chief Justice of the United States 112 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: will preside. By the way, interesting trivia, do you know 113 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: what the title of John Roberts is? 114 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: What is it? 115 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: John Roberts is the Chief Justice of the United States. 116 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: He is not the Chief Justice of the United States 117 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: Supreme Court. Just like Joe Biden is the President of 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: the United States, John Roberts is the Chief Justice of 119 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: the United States. That that is the formal and technical title. 120 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: The Constitution provides the Chief Justice will preside over the 121 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: impeachment trial of a president. Because obviously may orcus is 122 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: not a president. The Chief Justice will not preside. Instead, 123 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: the trial is typically presided over over by the President 124 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: pro tem, which right now is Patty Murray, Democrat, senator 125 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: from Washington State. Now, when it comes to cabinet members, 126 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: impeaching cabinet members is exceptionally rare. In fact, this is 127 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: only the second time in history the House is impeached 128 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 3: a cabinet member, and even that is overstating it because 129 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: the last Cabinet secretary to be impeached was Secretary of 130 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: War William Belknap, and that was in eighteen seventy six. 131 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 3: Now what's interesting about Belknap is right before the House 132 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: voted to impeach him, Belknap resigned. So may Orcas is 133 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: actually the first sitting cabinet member ever to be impeached. 134 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: And in terms of how the trial will proceed, the 135 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: Senate is not obligated to hold a full trial on 136 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: the floor of the Senate, as the Senate does for 137 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: them each man of a president. And so, for example, 138 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: in past impeachments, a number of judges have impeached, and 139 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: what the Senate has done in the past is appointed 140 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: an impeachment committee to conduct the trial, and typically that 141 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: committee consists of an equal number of Republicans and Democrats, 142 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: members of both parties, and so it can be a 143 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: smaller group of the Senate that conducts the trial. But 144 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: what has always happened is that the House managers get 145 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: to present their evidence, they get to prosecute the case, 146 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: they get to put on the trial. 147 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: And what has. 148 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: Also always happened is the Senators adjudicate. All one hundred 149 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: senators ultimately adjudicate guilt or innocence. So if the Senate 150 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: appoints an impeachment committee, that committee makes a recommendation to 151 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: the Senate, but then every Senator goes on record voting. 152 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 3: What Schumer is trying to do. He knows that if 153 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: there's a trial, even of a smaller committee than the 154 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: full Senate, that that will force press coverage of the 155 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: absolute disaster Mayorcus has been, the disaster Biden has been, 156 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: the open border chaos they have produced. And Schumer doesn't 157 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: want anyone to know that. And so, as I said, 158 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: what he wants to do is instead just right at 159 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 3: the outset before anything starts, say we're not going to 160 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: hear any evidence, We're not going to have a trial. 161 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: The House managers are not going to present the evidence 162 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: they don't get to prosecute the case. No senator is 163 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: going to vote guilty or not guilty. We're simply going 164 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: to vote to table and make it go away. 165 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Now, there's been a lot of media Republican establishment rhinotypes 166 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: had been out there saying this is a terrible decision 167 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: by conservatives to do this, that this is we already 168 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: know what the outcome of the vote's gonna be. This 169 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: is going to be an embarrassing moment slash failure, and 170 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: so why the hell are they doing this. If that 171 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: was the case, then Democrats wouldn't be fighting this. I 172 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: don't think this is a mistake, do you all? I mean, 173 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: this is about national security as well, and that's something 174 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: that the media and these Republican talking heads I think 175 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: they're forgetting that. This is about someone that is not 176 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: enforcing the laws of land, not protecting a country, having 177 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: an open border policy, deliberately not getting rid of people 178 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: that come in this country and break our. 179 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: Laws who are here illegally. 180 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: And on top of all that, it's a national security 181 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 2: issue from the domestic from the terrorists on the terrorists 182 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: watch lists that are coming across the border at staggering numbers. 183 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know who's been going on TV 184 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: saying that. So I can say this with complete free 185 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: conscience because I don't know who I'm talking about. But 186 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: anyone who says that is a blithering idiot with an 187 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: IQ below room temperature. To say it is a mistake 188 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: to impeach Alejandro Majorcas for aiding and embedding a criminal 189 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 3: invasion of the United States of America by global cartels 190 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: that have sent ten million people illegally into this country, 191 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: that are bringing murderers and rapists and gang members into 192 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: this country, that are abusing children, that are raping women, 193 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: that are potentially smuggling in Hamas and hezbel a terrorist. 194 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: To say that it is a mistake for Republicans to 195 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 3: fight for the House to impeach may orchis They should 196 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: have done this two years ago. You and I have 197 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: both been calling for this for two years. And in 198 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 3: the Senate, look is the Chuck Schumer Democrat Senate going 199 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: to vote to convict No, obviously not why Because the 200 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: Democrats are partisan hacks. They don't care about the facts, 201 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: they don't care about the truth. They are going to 202 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: vote with the Democrats because that's what Democrats do. When 203 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: Schumer cracks the whip, every Democrat obeys that's what's going 204 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: to happen. But why is it that Biden has been 205 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: able to get away with this? So the biggest reason 206 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: is the media is utterly corrupt and they don't cover this. 207 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: If you watch Fox News, if you watch News Max 208 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: roy In, if you listen to Verdict, you know about 209 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: what's happen at the border. But if you watch CNN 210 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: or MSNBC or ABCNBCCBS, if you read the Washington Post 211 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: or the New York Times, there is no border crisis. 212 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: Nothing is happening. The corrupt corporate media covers it up. 213 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: The reason this impeachment is important is to put the 214 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: evidence before the American people. And I got to say, 215 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: and it's why. You know, the amazing thing is the 216 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: Democrats get this. Why do you think Schumer wants to 217 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: table this at the outset because he knows a trial 218 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: would be terrible? Why because the facts are terrible. What 219 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,359 Speaker 3: they are doing, the Democrats are doing is grossly inhumane. 220 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: It is cruel, It is evil. Schumer and Biden do 221 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 3: not want the American people to know that, so they 222 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: want the issue to go away. But I got to say, 223 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: any Republican that, like a docile little sheep, rolls over 224 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: and starts buying the hell is wrong with them. And 225 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: there's a reason thirteen of us wrote a letter to 226 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: our hip, because Republican leadership, when they see a fight, 227 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: typically turn around and charge the opposite direction. And so 228 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: we ought to stand united and say, listen, we have 229 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: a constitutional obligation. Listen, I'm going to read you the 230 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: letter we sent, because it's not a long letter. Dear 231 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: Leader McConnell. Our Republican colleagues in the House have recently 232 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 3: passed two articles of impeachment against Department of Homeland Security 233 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: Secretary Alejandro Majorcas for willful and systemic refusal to comply 234 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: with the law, as well as the breach of public trust. 235 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: These articles will soon be transmitted to the Senate. It 236 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: is imperative that the Senate Republican Conference prepared to fully 237 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: engage our constitutional duty and hold a trial. According to 238 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: multiple briefings by your staff, Majority Leader Schumer and Senate 239 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: Democrats intend to dispose with the articles of impeachment simply 240 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: by tabling both individually. This is an action rarely contemplated 241 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 3: it and never taken by the US Senate in the 242 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: history of our republic. It remains to be seen if 243 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: the Senate rules will even allow us to brush aside 244 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: our duty in this manner. But one thing is sure. 245 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: If a similar strategy was contemplated by Senate Republicans when 246 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: we were in the majority with a Republican occupying the 247 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: White House, the opposition would be fierce and the volume 248 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: from Democrats would be deafening. We call on you to 249 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: join us in our efforts to jettison this approach by 250 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: Democrats to shirk their constitutional duty, ensure that the Senate 251 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: conducts a proper trial, and that every Senator, Republican and Democrat, 252 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: adjudicates this matter. When the Senate returns and Mike Lee 253 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: and I let it signed by a total of thirteen Senators. 254 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about strategy here of laying 255 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: this out to the American people, because that's going to 256 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: be obviously something we got to get right at the 257 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: very beginning. As you know, Republicans sometime are accused of 258 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: screwing up the basics. So I want to get your 259 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: perspective on what the strategies to be laying the south 260 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: of the American people that maybe haven't been listening to 261 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: this podcast or watching as you mentioned Fox or News 262 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: Max or on. 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Do you break it up into, Hey, 296 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: the fetanyl coming across the southern border because it's open 297 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: is the number one killer of people under the age 298 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: of forty nine, And you go through that. Do you 299 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: then go through the sex trafficking and the human smuggling. 300 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: Do you then go to the domestic the terrorists on 301 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: the terrorists watch list? Do you then go to the 302 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: financial aspects? I mean, is that how we need to 303 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: break this down to the American people understand just how 304 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: catastrophic this is. 305 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: Well, listen, what you say makes a lot of sense. 306 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 3: And what you're doing there is telling a story. And 307 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 3: I will say that's one thing Republicans are typically horrible 308 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 3: at doing, is telling a story. And that's what we 309 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 3: desperately need to do. At the end of the day, 310 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: the choice of how to present the evidence is not 311 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: going to be one for the Senate to make. The 312 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: way an impeachment trial works, the House managers or the prosecutors, 313 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: so they will present their case and will be ultimately 314 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: the managers selected by the Speaker of the House, who 315 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: will present the evidence and lay it out, and they 316 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 3: could very well follow the pattern you laid out. It 317 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: should be a systematic presentation of the evidence. I think 318 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: it should focus on the harms. It should focus on 319 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 3: who has heard. It should focus on the dead bodies, 320 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: the biden body bags that have piled up, one after 321 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: the other after the other. It should focus on the 322 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: children who've been physically and sexually abused over and over 323 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: and over again. It should focus on the women who've 324 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: been violently raped. It should focus on the disease that 325 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: has come in over an open border. It should focus 326 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: on the more than one hundred thousand drug overdoses last year, 327 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: the highest and recorded history, seventy percent of which came 328 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: from Chinese fentanyl coming across our southern border. It should 329 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: focus on the terror threat hamas Hezbela, the open borders 330 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: we have, and the exposure we have to a major 331 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 3: terrorist attack higher, I believe right now than any time 332 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: since September eleventh. All of that they should do. But 333 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: what Chuck Schumer's trying to do is prevent all of that. 334 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: He wants to table the articles before any evidence is presented, 335 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: before the Senate considers anything, and he wants to spare 336 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: Democrat senators. Understand, there are a bunch of Democrat senators 337 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: running in red and purple states that Schumer doesn't want 338 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: to have them vote not guilty because may Orkis is 339 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 3: obviously guilty, and so he doesn't want to get them 340 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: on record and tabling it is a much simpler and 341 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: less painful way to do it. Now. I can tell 342 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: you a week ago, Mike Lee and I together went 343 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 3: to the Senate Parliamentarian's office and we presented an argument, 344 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: the two of us. It's quite rare for Senators to 345 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 3: go directly to the parliamentarian. Typically, staff lawyers on our 346 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 3: staff make those arguments. Mike and I made these arguments ourselves, 347 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: and he and I have both done this a couple 348 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: of different times over the last decade. But the argument 349 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: we presented is we wanted to walk through the parliamentarian 350 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: the history and the precedent in this case, and in 351 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: particular because Schumer wants to table the articles, we wanted 352 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: to underscore that in over two centuries, the Senate has 353 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: never once tabled articles of impeachment. There was a previous 354 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: impeachment in which the Senate tabled the procedural rules, but 355 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: that's different than tabling the actual articles of impeachment refusing 356 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: to adjudicate. And the point we made, which the Parliamentarian 357 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 3: agreed with, is every single time when an impeachment came over, 358 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 3: the Senate adjudicated the merits, it reached the merits. The 359 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: one exception was a case where the individual resigned and 360 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: in that case the House basically withdrew the articles of impeachment. 361 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: So every time there was an impeachment and the House 362 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: was pressing the impeachment, the end of it was every 363 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 3: senator saying guilty or not guilty. And what Chuck Schumer 364 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: is trying to do is throw away two hundred years 365 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 3: of our nation's history, all in an effort to give 366 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: political protection to vulnerable Democrats and to avoid any media 367 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: coverage of the disaster at our southern border. 368 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: One other question on this, and that is who is 369 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: going to run this? I mean, will this be you 370 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: and Sinerle and others heavily involved, or is this going 371 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: to be lawyers representing the Republicans that would be asking 372 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: the questions. How does that play out? 373 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: Well, actually, when it comes to questions, unfortunately, the Senate 374 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 3: doesn't get to ask questions. And so if you remember back, 375 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 3: look when Verdict launched, the very first episode of this 376 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: podcast was the first night of the first Trump impeachment. 377 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: And if you remember what happened in impeachment number one 378 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: and impeachment number two, when we sat there as jurors, 379 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: we couldn't speak. Yeah, I'll admit that was frustrating. You know, 380 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: among things I like to do, I do kind of 381 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: enjoy talking. 382 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I do it a lot. 383 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: And we were not allowed to say a word. We 384 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: were to sit there and listen, and we listen to 385 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: the presentation of the House impeachment managers. We listened to 386 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: the presentation of the President's defense team. Now, as I 387 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 3: discussed at great length in those Opening Verdict episodes, I 388 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: spoke frequently with President Trump's defense team. And by the way, 389 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: some observers said at the time, Oh, that's terrible. You're 390 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: supposed to be jurors. You're supposed to be impartial, And 391 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 3: that's not actually right. It is true that we are 392 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: jurors in one sense, and that we adjudicate guilt or innocence, 393 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: but senators are not designed to be impartial. Frequently in 394 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: impeachment you have senators who are very close to the 395 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 3: individual being impeached or very antagonistic to the individual being impeached. 396 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: The impeachments occur in a partisan context, and senators are 397 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: elected in partisan elections. The framers knew that that was 398 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 3: the world in which impeachments would occur, and they placed 399 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: it in a political body to have an exercise of judgment. 400 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 3: Uh And and importantly, actually, during the Bill Clinton impeachment, 401 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: Tom Harkin, the Senator from Iowa at the time, stood 402 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: up and raised a point of order and asked for 403 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 3: clarification from the presiding Chief Justice that was William Rehnquist, 404 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: my former boss, the previous Chief Justice uh and And 405 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 3: Harkin raised a point of order and said, to clarify, 406 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: we are not jurors in the sense of a jury 407 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 3: in a in a criminal case, where we simply have 408 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: to review the evidence and making determination. And the Chief 409 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 3: Justice rule that is correct. The Constitution empowers you to 410 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 3: adjudicate this matter, uh and and and to consider issues 411 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: of fact and law and policy and politics and everything else. 412 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: But during that trial, I spoke frequently with President Trump's lawyers. 413 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: More than once I told them I thought a strategy 414 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 3: they were pursuing was boneheaded. A number of times I 415 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 3: told them there were strategies they were pursuing that were 416 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: quite good and they should do more of it. And 417 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 3: I was trying to give my judgment in terms I 418 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: thought both Trump impeachments were completely bogus. They were not 419 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 3: supported by either the facts or the law, and I 420 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 3: wanted that to be the outcome, and so I was 421 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: actively involved in giving my thoughts and counsel to the 422 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 3: Trump impeachment defense. Now you'll recall the questions we asked 423 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 3: in the full trial were asked. We wrote them on 424 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: note cards and then submitted them to the bench, and 425 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: actually the Chief Justice read the questions, and so that's 426 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: how it proceeded on the floor of the Senate in 427 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: this instance, if we have a trial, if the Senate 428 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: follows the procedure, I think it is more likely than 429 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: not that a trial would be conducted by a smaller committee, 430 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: not the full Senate. Don't think we're likely to spend 431 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: weeks on the Senate floor. If we had a Republican majority, 432 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 3: I would be arguing vociferously for us to spend weeks 433 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: on the Senate floor trying this, But with Schumer as 434 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: majority leader, that argument is going to fail. So I 435 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: think it is likely instead to go to a smaller 436 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: committee appointed to hear the trial. But then the trial 437 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: will be driven by the presentation of evidence by the 438 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: House managers. If the Senate actually does its job and 439 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 3: Republicans don't roll over quietly while Schumer tables the whole 440 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: matter to make. 441 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: It go away. 442 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: One last question, because this is incredibly complicated but also 443 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: unbelievably interesting, there are going to be a ton of 444 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: people that say this is a frivolous waste of taxpayers 445 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: money in time, because you can count the votes, and 446 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: you know the Democrats are going to be able to 447 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: defeat this. Therefore, Republicans shouldn't do this. What is your 448 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: counter to that. 449 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: That it's obviously false, and by the way, that was 450 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: true of the Trump impeachment, the Trump impeachment, the Clinton 451 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: impeachment before that. That's been true of a lot of impeachments. 452 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 3: But there is a value, you know. Look, Schumer gets 453 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 3: the value of it. It's why he's scared of this. 454 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 3: The problem is Republican leadership doesn't get the value of it. 455 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: Our leadership is from a prior generation where they do 456 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: not understand that what we do in the Senate actually 457 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: influences public opinion. A lot of our leadership comes from 458 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: an era where they say, look, we make decisions in 459 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 3: smoke filled rooms in Washington, and then we go back 460 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 3: to our home states and we tell the silly constituents 461 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: there whatever it is they want to hear. And there's 462 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 3: no connection between the two. That they think public opinion 463 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 3: is exogenous. Is it is separate and not impacted by 464 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: what we're doing. I think that is a fundamental mistake. 465 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: That a major part of our job is to present 466 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: facts and argument in a way that move public opinion. 467 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: Our leadership fundamentally doesn't think that way. Ironically, the Democrats 468 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: do everything they do is designed to move public opinion. 469 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 3: Virtually nothing Republican leadership does is designed to move public 470 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: opinion because they don't view that as our job. I 471 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 3: think it is critical to our job. And all right, 472 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: let's just go through some facts. So, since seventeen eighty nine, 473 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: the Senate has completed seventeen impeachment trials. Of those seventeen 474 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 3: trials completed the Senate, seven of them were conducted in 475 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 3: the last eighty years, and four of them were federal judges. 476 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 3: In those four cases, the Senate appointed a trial committee 477 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 3: composed of an equal number of senators from each party 478 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: here and consider evidence and report to the Senate. The 479 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: trial committees were not used for presidential impeachments, and the 480 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: three trials since eighteen thirty six conducted without a committee, 481 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: where Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and Donald Trump. Every single 482 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 3: instance in over two hundred years of our nation's history, 483 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: the Senate has never, once, not even a single time, 484 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: tabled articles of impeachment. Every single time the Senate has 485 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 3: voted on either guilt or innocence or the House has 486 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: withdrawn the impeachment, and so this is an opportunity for 487 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: Senate Republican leadership just to stand and fight, and I 488 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: hope that they do. I don't know if they will, 489 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 3: but I hope that they do. 490 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: Senator you said something there was very interesting. 491 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: You got to really pay attention to the words, and 492 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: you said there was seventeen completed impeachment. So the question 493 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: I have to ask is, well, then, how many others 494 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: weren't completed? 495 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: And what it's the difference between the two. 496 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: Is it meaning that the Senate decides guilt or innocence 497 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: and that is completed. 498 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: That's a very good question. In total, there been twenty 499 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: one impeachments sent to the Senate, and look, we're well 500 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: over two hundred years old, so it averages a little 501 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: less frequently than once every ten years. Of the twenty 502 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: one impeachments, twenty one individuals who were impeached by the 503 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: House of Representatives and transmitted to the Senate. Seventeen of 504 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: them were completed, had a trial, and they ended in 505 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: an adjudication of guilty or not guilty. One of the 506 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: twenty one never got started and the Senate didn't take 507 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: action because the person resigned, and so it became mooted, 508 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: and then three of them were dismissed. One of them 509 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds, and two of them were 510 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: dismissed because the people resigned, and the House asked for 511 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: the proceedings to be halted. The one that was dismissed 512 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: on jurisdictional grounds was the first ever impeachment, and it 513 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: was the impeachment of a senator, and the Senate concluded 514 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: they had no jurisdiction over the impeachment of a sen 515 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: that that impeachment applies to executive officers or judicial officers, 516 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 3: but not to members the legislature, and so it was 517 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: dismissed on the. 518 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: Basis of jurisdiction. 519 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 520 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: The other two that were dismissed were judges who resigned, 521 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: and so the House asked the Senate to end the proceedings. 522 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 3: And the ones that were dismissed, the most recent one 523 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: was Samuel Kent, who was a district judge in Texas 524 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: who who was impeached and then he resigned right and 525 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: so the House asked the Senate to dismiss the matter. 526 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: Before that was George W. English, who was a district 527 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: judge from Illinois who was impeached by the House in 528 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: nineteen twenty six, and likewise, the judge resigned, and so 529 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: the House asked the Senate not to proceed. And then 530 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 3: the very first one that I mentioned was Senator William Blount, 531 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 3: and and Blount was a Senator from Tennessee, and he 532 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: was charged with conspiring with British forces and Indian tribes 533 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 3: to seize Spanish held lands in the Lower Mississippi Valley 534 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: in order to open the area to more settlers than 535 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: to increase his personal landholdings. So I mean, you want 536 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: to talk about salacious charges, it was literally treason with 537 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: our enemies to enrich themselves. And what happened there was 538 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 3: that the House impeached him and the Senate and this 539 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 3: was in seventeen ninety seven, so it was very early 540 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 3: in our country's history. And over the next several months 541 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: the Senate spent a lot of time preparing for the trial. 542 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: And the Senate trial began on December seventeenth, seventeen ninety eight, 543 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 3: and the House managers and Blounts defense council presented arguments, 544 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 3: but ultimately the question came down to whether Congress could 545 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: impeach a former member, and on January fourteenth, seventeen ninety nine, 546 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: the Senate dismissed the case, doing so unjust dictional grounds, 547 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: holding that that impeachment did not lie again against a 548 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: member of the legislature. What that means is unless there's 549 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 3: a jurisdictional claim, and there's not uh, and unless Majorcus 550 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 3: resigns and he hasn't that In every single instance for 551 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: more than two hundred years, when the House has impeached someone, 552 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: the Senate has adjudicated the matter and has come to 553 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: a conclusion guilty or not guilty. That's the argument I 554 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: presented to Mike Lee, presented to the parliamentarian. I think 555 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: that's consistent with the Constitution, in our rules, and I 556 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 3: very much hope that we see Republicans united in holding 557 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: Democrats to follow the Constitution and follow the rules of 558 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: the Senate. 559 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: Last question for you, and that is there are people 560 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: that are going to be listening and they're going to 561 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: be saying to themselves, how do I get involved to 562 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: make sure Republican leadership does the right thing? Is this 563 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: that that moment of call to arms or you say, hey, 564 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: call your senator, regardless of their Republican or Democrat call 565 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: the Senate Minority leader's office as well. 566 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: What should people do now. 567 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: Well, that is always effective, picking up the phone and 568 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: calling your senator and saying, follow the law, convict majorcas 569 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: remove him from office. The invasion at our southern border 570 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: is threatening the safety and security of my family. It 571 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: is threatening this country. It is inhumane, it is cruel, 572 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: it is it is a grotesque violation of the obligations 573 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: of a cabinet member. And look, every senator, it makes 574 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: a difference when their constituent calls that that that can 575 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 3: be very effective, and speak out and make the case 576 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 3: to your friends and family and on social media and 577 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: to anyone else who will listen. That the right thing 578 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: to do here was to impeach him, and now it's 579 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 3: to convict him. 580 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: I want to tell you about saying that it is 581 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: really cool. Many of you may know this. 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Headlines now coming from major news organizations. 617 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: The Washington Post, for example, had this headline, what happens 618 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: if Trump or Biden can no longer run for president? 619 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 2: Obviously they're trying to act like Donald Trump is in 620 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: cognitive decline. It's not happening, and we know it's different 621 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 2: with Joe Biden. The New York Times even said this, 622 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: how old is too old to be president? An uncomfortable 623 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 2: question arises again, and now the New York Times taking 624 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 2: heat for that headline. I want to get your reaction 625 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: to this moment on Fox News Channel as They describe 626 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 2: this turning on the president on the story. 627 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 4: Thanks for being here this afternoon with us, everybody. Interesting 628 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 4: when you take a look at a them that seems 629 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 4: to be emerging in the coverage of this campaign, this 630 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 4: presidential race. Right, check out some of these recent headlines, 631 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 4: quote what we know about cognitive decline? Quote what happens 632 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 4: if Trump or Biden can no longer run for president? 633 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 4: How old is too old to be president? These are 634 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 4: not your typical electioneer headlines. But this is clearly not 635 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 4: a typical election year matchup if it turns out to 636 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 4: be these two presumed nominees. So the publisher of The 637 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 4: New York Times is standing by his papers reporting on 638 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 4: the president's quote on popularity and his age, but says 639 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 4: that the White House is not happy. In fact, he 640 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 4: says they're extremely upset about the coverage that they're getting 641 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 4: at the New York Times. And take a listen to 642 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: this exchange just a short time ago, as President Biden 643 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 4: left for a fundraising trip to California, watching. 644 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: Biden, are you ready, yes, Blod, look at Blod'm looking 645 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: at you. 646 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 4: We're looking to you, Okay that we bring in our paper. 647 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't even know what they were talking about, 648 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: Senator and you can see the media flipping on him. 649 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 2: Is this the beginning of the end of his presidency 650 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: with the Democratic Party figuring out how to offload him? 651 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 652 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 3: Look, that was weird that exchange at the end, being asked, 653 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 3: are you're going to California for a plan B to 654 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 3: talk to Gavin Newsom? Look, that was a nasty little question, 655 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 3: but his answer was bizarre. It was a non sequit 656 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 3: or it made no sense. And you know those three 657 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 3: headlines that the Fox story just read. The first one 658 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 3: was from the Wall Street Journal, the second one was 659 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: from the Washington Post, the third one was from the 660 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 3: New York Times. And I do think we are seeing 661 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 3: the corporate media starting to turn on Joe Biden. And 662 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 3: we've talked at length. Listen, it was this podcast that 663 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 3: drove news and drove news across the country when we 664 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 3: said months ago that I believe there was a very 665 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 3: significant chance the Democrat Party would pull the court on 666 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, yank him out and replace him with Michelle Obama. 667 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 3: And I think if they do that, they're likely to 668 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 3: do it either at the Democrat convention this summer or 669 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: shortly thereafter, and we're seeing the corporate media, which is 670 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: one and the same with the Democrat Party, but in 671 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 3: many ways they're the left wing of the Democrat Party. 672 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 3: They're starting to get nervous. They're starting to realize, crap, 673 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 3: if it's Biden against Trump, we think Trump's gonna win, 674 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 3: and so they're they're they're hitting the panic button. And 675 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 3: I think we're going to see more of these stories 676 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 3: as the media turns on him. I do think you're 677 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 3: seeing both Democrats in the media getting very, very worried 678 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 3: about Joe Biden's ability to win in November. 679 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 2: When you are running for president, you've done this before 680 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 2: and you see something this significant of a change in 681 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 2: the news cycle. Joe Biden has had three years of 682 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 2: basically a media that's been covering for him. I think 683 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,919 Speaker 2: that's why he was so shocked when he had that 684 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: the report that came out about his cognitive decline and 685 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: couldn't answer basic questions, and then he came out with 686 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 2: that very angry, uh really dysfunction press conference at night, 687 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,919 Speaker 2: and the media didn't get back in line since then. 688 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 2: So when you see this, who is moving the needle? 689 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 2: Is it donors who are saying we're not going to 690 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: give money anymore. Or is it the leadership of the 691 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 2: Democratic Party saying we got to figure something out, we 692 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 2: got to figure it out fast, or could it even 693 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 2: be both? 694 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 3: So I don't think it's donors and I don't think 695 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 3: it's anyone cutting off money. And understand, the Democrats and 696 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 3: the media would be perfectly happy if they could wave 697 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 3: a wand and put Joe Biden there four years more. 698 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 3: They're not worried that he's incompetent to be president. They're 699 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 3: not worried that the Department of Justice says he's not 700 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 3: competent to stand trial. They're not worried that he's such 701 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 3: a weak commander in chief that our enemies are attacking 702 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 3: our allies and threatening America. They're not worried that he 703 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 3: lacks the competence to do the job. That there's only 704 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 3: one thing they're worried about that he would lose. If 705 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 3: they believed he would win, they'd be perfectly fine to 706 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 3: weekend it bernies him, to stand him up as a 707 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 3: corpse and say Joe Biden's there, and let's keep pulling 708 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 3: the puppet strings. Their concern is they're worried he's going 709 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 3: to lose, and that is a very real and an 710 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 3: acute concern on their part. It's also worth noting you 711 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 3: were talking about the press turning on him. You know, 712 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 3: there's a real difference between Republicans and Democrats. Look, on 713 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 3: my end, the press has always turned on me. They're 714 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 3: always hostile. Every question they're asking there, they're looking to 715 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 3: screw me nine ways to Sunday. That's just when you're 716 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 3: and by the way, and you've been in the Capitol 717 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 3: with me, Ben, as you know, when I walk from 718 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 3: my office to the Senate floor, and I do so repeatedly, 719 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 3: whether it is to vote, or to go to meetings 720 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 3: or to go to committee hearings, I'm walking back and 721 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 3: forth through the Capitol and there's a cluster of reporters 722 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 3: that surround you, and they ask you a hostile question 723 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 3: after hostile question on every topic under the sun. And 724 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 3: if you're a Republican, especially a conservative Republican, you're used 725 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 3: to just getting constant barrages of attacks. The Democrats don't 726 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 3: get that. They get the kind of questions. Remember Joe 727 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: Biden in his first year in the White House, the 728 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 3: reporters would ask him things like, mister President what's your 729 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 3: favorite flavor of ice cream? I mean, that was right. 730 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's embarrassing. 731 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: It's it's there like groupies chasing the Beatles, throwing their 732 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 3: panties at him. And that's just the guys. I mean, 733 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 3: I mean it is it's pitiful and and and so 734 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 3: he is really startled because he's not used to any scrutiny. 735 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 3: He's not used to journalists actually being journalists. By the way, 736 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 3: there is this phenomenon for Republicans as well. If you 737 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 3: remember John McCain. John McCain used to get lots of 738 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 3: adoring press coverage because when he was a Republican senator 739 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 3: he would often attack other Republicans and the press, and 740 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 3: he would attack him from the left. And the press 741 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 3: loves it when a Republican attacks other Republicans from the left. 742 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 3: It's the best way to get good press. You get 743 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 3: called at bipartisans statesman when you agree with the Democrats 744 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 3: and attack your fellow Republicans. Well, when John McCain got 745 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 3: the Republican nomination, and you and I both supported John 746 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 3: McCain once it is our nominee, Yeah, but the press 747 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 3: turned on him and turned viciously on him. If you remember, 748 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 3: McCain made a comment something like, I don't understand I 749 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 3: thought you guys were my base, and he was completely startled. 750 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 3: Because it's the same sentiment Biden's having. When you're used 751 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 3: to just getting your your hindquarters kissed by the media, 752 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 3: when they start biting, you don't know how to handle it. 753 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 2: And one of two things is gonna happen when it 754 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 2: comes to this center. They're either going to get back 755 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 2: in line after trying to, you know, step out and see, 756 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 2: well others follow us right and test the waters, or 757 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 2: they're going to keep going what's your prediction. 758 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 3: Well, if he stays the nominee, they'll get back in 759 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 3: line and they'll immediately begin saying it's agist and racist 760 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 3: and horrible to even ask these questions, and they have 761 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 3: no shame. So this is the moment where they're trying 762 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 3: to see if they can push him out and replace 763 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 3: him with Michelle Obama. If they can't, if he doesn't go, 764 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 3: if we get to September and Biden's the nominee, the 765 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 3: media will suddenly be completely silent on this front and 766 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 3: will attack anyone who dares raise the same questions they're raising, 767 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 3: right now don't forget. 768 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 2: We do the show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. We have 769 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 2: a week in review on Saturdays. Make sure you grab 770 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 2: that wherever you get your podcasts, hit that subscribe, auto 771 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 2: download or follow button as well, and The Sinner and 772 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 2: I will be back with you on Friday morning.