Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Gatty and no, he.
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Yetty, a half faked negotiator could have settled
Speaker 3: this years ago.
Speaker 4: Direct US and Russian negotiations about Ukraine not sitting well
Speaker 4: with Ukraine's Vladimir Zelenski. Absolutely, we are completely honest and open.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't want any coincidences.
Speaker 4: That's why I don't want to go to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4: President Trump not sympathetic to Zelenski's complaint.
Speaker 1: But today I heard, oh, we weren't invited. Well, you've
Speaker 1: been there for three years.
Speaker 4: But Trump insists it's not personal, and I like him personally.
Speaker 4: It's just fine.
Speaker 2: But I don't care about personally.
Speaker 4: I care getting the job done.
Speaker 2: Boy, that's interesting. I like Peter Doucy. I watch Fox
Speaker 2: every single day. But they edited it out Trump saying
Speaker 2: Ukraine started the war. They didn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: No, that's a pretty major statement by the President of
Speaker 2: the freaking United States about a war were involved in.
Speaker 4: Well, and he'll leave that out either Today. In subsequent tweets,
Speaker 4: as we'll get to.
Speaker 2: So let's play the whole clip here, thirty there, Michael,
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 4: To see piece.
Speaker 1: Look, you know why I want because I don't want
Speaker 1: all these people killed anymore. I'm looking at people that
Speaker 1: are being killed, and they're Russian and Ukrainian people, but
Speaker 1: they're people, doesn't matter where they're from, on the whole planet.
Speaker 1: And I think I have the power to end this war,
Speaker 1: and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, oh,
Speaker 1: we weren't invited. Well, you've been there for three years.
Speaker 1: You should have ended it three years. You should have
Speaker 1: never started it. You could have made a deal.
Speaker 2: You should have never started it. Ukraine started the war.
Speaker 4: You've been there for three years, you should have made
Speaker 4: a deal. I am utterly flabbergasted by that series of statements.
Speaker 2: And we were thinking there is a chance he was
Speaker 2: going to walk it back today, that maybe he just
Speaker 2: shot off his mouth and you know, went too far.
Speaker 2: I do it all the time, I do it almost
Speaker 2: every day, or I wish I hadn't gone that far
Speaker 2: on something in an effort to be provocative or funny,
Speaker 2: and I thought, maybe he's gonna walk it back, But
Speaker 2: he tweeted out think of it a modestly successful comedian.
Speaker 2: Zelensky talked to the United States into spending three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty billion dollars. You can skip down to, uh,
Speaker 2: how it's a gravy train for Zelensky, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: He's a dictator without elections, Zolensky not holding elections, so
Speaker 2: he's become a dictator, that sort of stuff. Britt Hume
Speaker 2: of Fox Again Fox Left that they started the war
Speaker 2: out of that clip on purpose. But Brett Humes said,
Speaker 2: this is music to the years of Vladimir Putin, the Trump,
Speaker 2: the Trump tweet, and it is Putin's got to be thinking, wow, Wow,
Speaker 2: this is really helping me a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wall Street Journal Putin's got to be smiling ear
Speaker 4: to ear National Review just and I you know, I
Speaker 4: hear the voices of some of the like young angry
Speaker 4: right saying that's because they're all globalist warmonger blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: To get in bed with Putin is to get in
Speaker 4: bed with Satan. It's just it's awful. I am so
Speaker 4: completely perplexed by Trump and what he's saying and what
Speaker 4: his motivation is. The idea that Zelensky is a moderately
Speaker 4: successful comedian. We could parse that phrase, what the hell
Speaker 4: does that have to do with anything? He's freely elected,
Speaker 4: that this, this horrific war, which is ground a country
Speaker 4: down and practically killed him and still may is somehow
Speaker 4: a gravy trained I just this is Kremlin generated bulls.
Speaker 2: Well, and you can you can believe that it's no
Speaker 2: big deal that Russia gets to keep twenty percent of
Speaker 2: the land and basically gets away with the worst thing
Speaker 2: any country has done in UH since the end of
Speaker 2: World War two. But that's just a policy disagreement. It's
Speaker 2: not a policy disagreement for Trump to say Ukraine started it,
Speaker 2: that's just right, What the hell is that?
Speaker 4: Well, and the idea that well, they were too friendly
Speaker 4: to the West, they talked about joining NATO, NATO expanded
Speaker 4: to quickly. The Russians warned us that that was a
Speaker 4: trip wire. Blah blah blah. All of that stuff is true.
Speaker 4: But that absolutely to extrapolate from there to take the
Speaker 4: Olympic world record setting leap from that too. Therefore, Ukraine
Speaker 4: started the invasion of their country, is just it. It's absurd.
Speaker 4: I'll try not to be insulting. It's absurd.
Speaker 2: So different hot spot. Trump also has to deal with, obviously,
Speaker 2: is Israel Gaza Hamas, that whole thing. Are we going
Speaker 2: to take over Gaza and turn it into Gaza Lago
Speaker 2: or whatever is going to happen there. IDF just put
Speaker 2: out a new report, that's the Israeli Defense Forces a
Speaker 2: new report on October seventh, which is gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: be a big deal because you know, how the hell
Speaker 2: did our security forces missed this and fall so flat
Speaker 2: and it took all day long to rest to get
Speaker 2: to where the Hamas fighters had gone in and started
Speaker 2: slaughtering people. I mean, all kinds of failures. But anyway,
Speaker 2: part of the report. The most interesting finding from the
Speaker 2: IDF report on the October seventh attack on one of
Speaker 2: the kibbutzes is that only one hundred of the three
Speaker 2: hundred and forty terrorists who entered the kibbutz were Hamas.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and forty of the three hundred and forty
Speaker 2: were Palestinian civilians. Seventy percent of the Palestinians who attacked
Speaker 2: that kibbutz were civilians, and this holds across the board.
Speaker 2: Palestinian civilians made up the majority of the terrorists using
Speaker 2: the finger quotes who attacked Israel in October seventh, So
Speaker 2: how do you deal with that situation from a political standpoint?
Speaker 2: And then you've got this. We had this news yesterday.
Speaker 2: It was very, very grim. I'll read it the way
Speaker 2: ABC presented it. Breaking news on ABC. Hamas will release
Speaker 2: the bodies of four deceased hostages on Thursday and six
Speaker 2: living hostages on Saturday. Hamas and Israel confirmed four more
Speaker 2: dead hostages will be released next week, according to israel As.
Speaker 2: Jonah Goldberg pointed out tweeting this, according to any reasonable
Speaker 2: law of morality, the hostages were murdered outright by Hamas. Deceased.
Speaker 2: Using the term deceased is water carrying four the terrorists,
Speaker 2: which is absolutely true. Just calling them deceased, you know,
Speaker 2: they could have died in natural causes, our fellon, hit
Speaker 2: their head or whatever. They were, including a mom and
Speaker 2: two babies, by the way, the two youngest hostages. They're
Speaker 2: going to get back the bodies because Hamas murdered them,
Speaker 2: whether it starved them to death, beat them, deaths, split
Speaker 2: their throats, who knows, but mind through.
Speaker 4: The winds on October seventh, perhaps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but mom and the two babies are dead, and
Speaker 2: they were murdered by Hamas. And again seventy percent of
Speaker 2: the people who had attacked the Israelis, including at that
Speaker 2: peace loving concert, were just Palestinian. That explains the cheering
Speaker 2: in the streets when they went back into Gaza with
Speaker 2: the either dead bodies or live women they were going
Speaker 2: to rape some more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just go back to the giant demonstrations
Speaker 4: of love and approval. After nine to eleven in the
Speaker 4: United States, Palestinian people were thrilled, thrilled that the Great Satan,
Speaker 4: the great you know, the infidels had gotten kicked in
Speaker 4: the pants. Loved it.
Speaker 2: So trying to non emotionally understand Trump's foreign policy, Why
Speaker 2: is he so willing to jump ugly with a ran
Speaker 2: which could turn into a war were involved in, while
Speaker 2: so willing to give away the farm, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: just to get out of the mess between Ukraine and Russia.
Speaker 4: That's a great question, and I do not have.
Speaker 2: An answer, because if he's just a non intervention it's
Speaker 2: like he doesn't want the United States involved in wars
Speaker 2: that you know, don't he doesn't believe affect us. That's
Speaker 2: a policy, you know, that's a foreign policy. That's a
Speaker 2: point of view. Lots of people have had it, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't fit in with his willingness. It would seem
Speaker 2: to probably help Israel attack Iran and maybe, you know,
Speaker 2: start a war with a big country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't have any idea. I have
Speaker 4: some theories. I would like to think about them more
Speaker 4: and how to phrase them exactly when I offer them.
Speaker 4: I'm very, very troubled by this. I will tell you
Speaker 4: that from the moment Trump was elected, I had a
Speaker 4: very very strong feeling that a lot of really really
Speaker 4: great things were going to happen. Things that nobody else
Speaker 4: has the balls or the you know, the innovative spirit,
Speaker 4: or it cares so little about what's the norm in
Speaker 4: DC like Trump does. He's so not a creature of
Speaker 4: the Beltway. I knew that this would be really, really
Speaker 4: good Domestically. It's even better than I thought it would be.
Speaker 4: It's fantastic, a plus a couple of mistakes. There's some
Speaker 4: things that trouble me. The Eric Adams deal. We hadn't
Speaker 4: really talked about that, but you knew there's going to
Speaker 4: be a certain amount of crazy with Trump. Just it's
Speaker 4: part of the deal. Foreign policy wise, oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: So I knew there were going to be some really
Speaker 4: good things, but I knew it was only a matter
Speaker 4: of time before the problems with Trump started to trip
Speaker 4: up the good stuff with Trump, and I wonder where
Speaker 4: we are on that you know, train wreck coming together.
Speaker 4: His foreign policy completely befuddles me. Ah And as always,
Speaker 4: if it becomes clear that he had something else in
Speaker 4: mind and a long term plan involving, for instance, because
Speaker 4: this is kind of taking shape such a close long
Speaker 4: term business relationship with Ukraine that to ever attack Ukraine
Speaker 4: again is to attack American interests and then we would respond.
Speaker 4: So Ukrainian security is it's going to be such a
Speaker 4: close partner of the United States going forward, it will
Speaker 4: be fine having had a portion of it sought off
Speaker 4: in hundreds of thousands people killed and named. Anyway, if
Speaker 4: it turns out to be something like that that Trump
Speaker 4: is working toward and he's trying to play Putin or whatever,
Speaker 4: I'll come on the air and tell you so yes,
Speaker 4: say I didn't say.
Speaker 2: It, I might have it for you here. I can't
Speaker 2: believe I forgot about this till now, because I read
Speaker 2: this yesterday from some former diplomat that this is what
Speaker 2: Trump is up to. It is so important that we
Speaker 2: get Russia into our orbit and away from China because
Speaker 2: China and Russia together are really a disaster for the
Speaker 2: world and for the United States and Europe. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: President she saying to Putin the world is changing, and
Speaker 2: we're going to drive those changes. Ain't good. If we
Speaker 2: can pry Russia away from China to where they're more
Speaker 2: with us. You know, they're never going to be an
Speaker 2: ally or anything like that, but they're more with us
Speaker 2: than they are with China, that would be a good thing.
Speaker 2: Which was you know, kind of a Nixon strategy back
Speaker 2: in the day too. It was the other way around.
Speaker 2: He brought China into our orbit to make sure China
Speaker 2: Russia didn't get together. But you don't want the number
Speaker 2: one and three biggest nuclear powers in the world to
Speaker 2: be coaligned against the United States.
Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah, for a variety of reasons. Then you know,
Speaker 4: if ending the war in Ukraine would remove one of
Speaker 4: the main incentives Putin has to kiss Hji in Ping's ass,
Speaker 4: which is he needs the money in toms. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: absolutely truth to that. I don't well, I could easily
Speaker 4: chart you a course, for how you do that without
Speaker 4: saying some of the things he said, you don't need
Speaker 4: to say is Ukraine's fault.
Speaker 2: Although I'll bet Putin loved that. Putin loved that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he couldn't believe it. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 4: completely mystified.
Speaker 2: Eh, Well, time will tell. I'm guessing if you've got
Speaker 2: any theories, we'd like to hear him. Text line four
Speaker 2: one five two nine five KFTC.
Speaker 5: Three people alleged to be members of a cult like
Speaker 5: group tied to several cross country murders are now in
Speaker 5: custody place in Maryland arrested Daniel Blank, Jack Lysoda, and
Speaker 5: Michelle Joshko.
Speaker 2: Prosecutors say the three are.
Speaker 5: Part of a larger group of young former tech workers
Speaker 5: who call themselves Zizians. Lesoda, who goes by Zizz, is transgender,
Speaker 5: and Lisota was originally declared dead in a twenty twenty
Speaker 5: two voting accident, according to an obituary. However, since an
Speaker 5: officials have linked the Zizians to several hamas in California
Speaker 5: and Pennsylvania and Vermont. One includes the killing of a
Speaker 5: Border Control agent, David may Land in Vermont last month.
Speaker 4: It was interesting how Jake took great pains to not
Speaker 4: go to the transgender card until he had to. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a bunch of the people involved in this weird ass
Speaker 4: murderous death culture lunatics.
Speaker 2: So he's a psychological term weird.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I studied with the FBI for a while, and it's
Speaker 4: important to know what you're dealing with, and what we're
Speaker 4: dealing with here is a bunch of weird asses. But
Speaker 4: this cult, this bizarro transgender death cult, it's been in
Speaker 4: linked to like half a dozen deaths and murders and stuff.
Speaker 4: They're dangerous lunatics, but I'm glad they've been brought to heal. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: they've left a trail of blood behind them.
Speaker 2: Well, was their main thing, like their main belief for
Speaker 2: vibe or what they wanted to do?
Speaker 4: As I understand it, it's kind of a tough to
Speaker 4: follow ultra progressive green transgender ushering in the brave New
Speaker 4: world erasing all the lines, just kind of an extreme
Speaker 4: version of the generalized.
Speaker 2: Well did the aggressive thing? Half dozen people dead? Are
Speaker 2: the murdered people? Do they fit their agenda?
Speaker 4: I think you're looking for a logical explanation of crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I guess I guess it doesn't. I mean,
Speaker 2: like Charles Manson didn't have a logical agenda either.
Speaker 4: Lesoda, the alleged cult leader who has understood to wear
Speaker 4: dark robes and call herself a scyth herself it's a dude,
Speaker 4: a reference to the evil group in these Star Wars
Speaker 4: film Blah.
Speaker 2: I saw that Star Wars movie that's got jar Jar
Speaker 2: Binks in it for the first time.
Speaker 4: Yes, terrible, horrible, Yeah, an embarrassment to any franchise, much
Speaker 4: less the great Star Wars France, my.
Speaker 2: Son's favorite one, that's his favorite Star Wars. But god,
Speaker 2: I had never seen it, and I thought, oh, this
Speaker 2: is what everybody's talking about twenty five years ago, wheremember
Speaker 2: there was just horrible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just embarrassing, but you know, if it's entertaining
Speaker 4: in whatever silly way. Good.
Speaker 2: I felt bad for Liam Neeson. He's better than that.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be in that movie. Oh he got duped
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know what I wanted to get to
Speaker 4: speaking of the gender bending madness, was this is the
Speaker 4: name everybody should know, doctor Ethan Hame, who almost went
Speaker 4: to federal prison under the Biden administration. This was the
Speaker 4: doctor at the Texas Children's Hospital, who blew the whistle
Speaker 4: when after these mutilations of children were outlawed in Texas.
Speaker 4: He pointed out that the Texas Children's Hospital continued to
Speaker 4: surgically insert hormonal devices in the gender dysphoric PDIAT patients
Speaker 4: as part of the hospital's transgender program, and they were
Speaker 4: clearly in violation of the law, not to mention the
Speaker 4: laws of God, Man and decency and experimenting on poor,
Speaker 4: confused adolescens. But the Biden administration, that Biden Justice Department
Speaker 4: prosecuted him under the Hippa Act, saying that he violated
Speaker 4: the privacy of patients, even though he absolutely did not.
Speaker 4: He carefully redacted all the medical records, nobody was identifiable
Speaker 4: in any way, And the only HIPPA prosecutions on the
Speaker 4: books ever, really were extremely egregious, fraud based, specific, undeniable
Speaker 4: issuing of specific medical records and names and addresses, and
Speaker 4: that sort of thing is absolute horror. And Trump came
Speaker 4: in an office and told the Justice Spartment, you're going
Speaker 4: to drop this stuff right now, and they did, thank god.
Speaker 4: But this guy, I wish we had a little more
Speaker 4: time to talk about him. He and his wife said
Speaker 4: I might go to federal prison, but this is the
Speaker 4: right thing to do. We have to do this, We
Speaker 4: have to talk about this. Wow, he's a hero, Doctor
Speaker 4: Ethan Ham.
Speaker 2: We got more on the way if you got nick,
Speaker 2: I'm a text line four one.
Speaker 4: Five, eight, Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 6: He was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized.
Speaker 6: To kentuckt a genocide, and he met with the head
Speaker 6: of a political party that has far right views and
Speaker 6: some historic ties to extreme groups.
Speaker 2: Margaret Brennana on Face the Nation Sunday with the dumbest
Speaker 2: thing anybody's maybe ever said, Man, I'm not putting any
Speaker 2: qualifications on that. I don't mean just on a news program.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean just this week. I mean maybe
Speaker 2: the dumbest thing anybody's ever sent. Oh no, it was
Speaker 2: world class stupid. It was astonishingly stupid. Weaponized free speech.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what that phrase ever means ever,
Speaker 2: and certainly not in this context. Or she's talking about
Speaker 2: thirties Germany, where there wasn't free speech really and we.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, no, where's the opposite of free speech?
Speaker 2: Can you even can you come up with a context
Speaker 2: where that does make sense? Weaponized free speech.
Speaker 4: Well no, no, I mean, well, yeah, you could incite
Speaker 4: a riot or something like that. I mean you can,
Speaker 4: you can rile people up to do the wrong thing.
Speaker 4: It happens all the time. But that's that's been discussed
Speaker 4: and decided two hundred and seventy five years ago or
Speaker 4: whatever it was, that no, we will correct wrong speech
Speaker 4: with right speech. We'll we'll cure ourselves of bad ideas
Speaker 4: with good ideas. The government will not restrict it. It's
Speaker 4: kind of a settled idea. Margaret Gotti ishy a moron anyway.
Speaker 4: So JD Vances over in Europe gave a couple of
Speaker 4: speeches excoriating Europe for failing to pay their bills and
Speaker 4: defend themselves and also abandoning various precepts of freedom and democracy.
Speaker 4: And since we have a in an alliance dedicated to
Speaker 4: protecting freedom and democracy, it'd be nice if y'all were
Speaker 4: on board, And he specifically kicked the Germans a little
Speaker 4: bit for their crackdowns on free speech, some of their
Speaker 4: prosecutions of people. Specifically, he was talking about how if
Speaker 4: you do not let people express ideas and feelings that
Speaker 4: you're uncomfortable with, radicals will take that and take it
Speaker 4: in a direction you don't want to take it, or
Speaker 4: your society you'll just fall apart. I mean, for instance,
Speaker 4: I was reminded that there has never been a majority
Speaker 4: in the main European countries that you think about, the
Speaker 4: big European countries that were in favor of the rampant
Speaker 4: immigration policies. That was never a majority popular issue in Europe.
Speaker 4: The elite just decided to do it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's never been a majority popular in our country either,
Speaker 2: and the elite decided to do it. And you see
Speaker 2: the backlash that led to Trump getting reelected.
Speaker 4: And the fact that people are angry about that has
Speaker 4: been has brought on all sorts of restrictions on free speech.
Speaker 4: Britain is unforgivable. For instance, at this point, there was,
Speaker 4: as if to prove Vance's point, there was this wild
Speaker 4: set to in London. A guy was burning a Koran
Speaker 4: in a protest against the extremes of Islam and all
Speaker 4: sorts of stuff, and a guy attacked him with a
Speaker 4: giant knife and tried to hack him to death. Well,
Speaker 4: the book burner has been charged with a religiously aggravated
Speaker 4: public order offense, and the knife wielder was released on bail.
Speaker 4: So that's how bass ackwards a lot of britain Is
Speaker 4: and Jade Vance called him on that. Anyway, we got
Speaker 4: this note because we were hammering Germany for restricting free
Speaker 4: speech and how what's her face on sixty minutes thought
Speaker 4: it was just delightful and kind of even funny that
Speaker 4: people who were busted for saying rude things or obnoxious
Speaker 4: things or untrue things were actually they were arrested by
Speaker 4: the German place and fined or jailed or had their
Speaker 4: device taken away or whatever. Anyway brings us to this note,
Speaker 4: and it's from uh, we'll just say m who is
Speaker 4: married to a German national, and both of them listened
Speaker 4: to the podcast and enjoy it, and we thank them
Speaker 4: for listening. And she asked her her husband to put
Speaker 4: her thoughts into better English for her because it's her
Speaker 4: second language. I'm sure the English is a hell of
Speaker 4: a lot better than my German. Anyway, Germany has free speech,
Speaker 4: but it must be polite. About a month ago, someone
Speaker 4: wrote you and referred to Jack being Jack ass Armstrong
Speaker 4: in your comment was it wasn't right, it was impolite
Speaker 4: and unnecessary. Last week, someone in the US legislature, said
Speaker 4: f Trump. Actually, quite a few folks, I believe you
Speaker 4: see that the rhetoric in the US has become coarser
Speaker 4: and meaner in the recent past, and the more people
Speaker 4: behave and speak that way, the worst people's behavior becomes.
Speaker 4: Germans are polite people. They would never say Schultz is
Speaker 4: stupid or worse, they would say Schultz's ideas are not correct.
Speaker 4: If you're to watch the German debates you will see
Speaker 4: the behaviors of the participants are polite. Unlike in America,
Speaker 4: Germany had to deal with Hitler and the Nazis denigrating
Speaker 4: the Jews and inciting abuse and violence toward them. As
Speaker 4: that was done, people's thoughts and actions followed the rhetoric.
Speaker 4: Horrible events followed that speech. Germans are very sensitive about
Speaker 4: their past and do not want it to happen again.
Speaker 4: For that reason, speech that incites violence against, insults, denigrates,
Speaker 4: or hurts people of a national, ethnic, religious, or sexual
Speaker 4: minority is outlawed, so the past will not be relived.
Speaker 4: And then just a quick note before we get into
Speaker 4: a little discussion. She mentions that the AfD Alternatives for
Speaker 4: Deutschland is a party in Germany. It has a voice
Speaker 4: that as twenty percent of the people, but eighty percent
Speaker 4: of the politicians and Germans do not want to work
Speaker 4: with AfD because of its core and extreme values. It's
Speaker 4: also interesting, just as an asside, I was reminded that
Speaker 4: Jade Vance was talking about all I'm sorry Elon Musk
Speaker 4: was talking up the AfD and saying, you know, they're
Speaker 4: right about a lot of stuff, and they are, but
Speaker 4: they're harshly anti American. They really lean toward Russia and
Speaker 4: are are extremely anti American. Yeah. So anyway, so here's
Speaker 4: the way I would respond to that, unless you were listening,
Speaker 4: Do you have anything you want to jump in with
Speaker 4: right away? Germany is such an interesting case, and I've
Speaker 4: spent some time there, and I know some Germans, and
Speaker 4: I know some people who spend a lot of time
Speaker 4: working and living in Germany, and I studied German language
Speaker 4: and culture for a long time. That does not make
Speaker 4: me anything close to next what, No, don't anyway?
Speaker 2: Do you have any memorabilia?
Speaker 4: I do some, Yes, of course I do. So lovely
Speaker 4: land full of fascinating people in landscape. Anyway, Germany is
Speaker 4: such an interesting case because of it's the way that
Speaker 4: carries from World War Two. Show me the way you
Speaker 4: wave to people, just you know, extend my arm and
Speaker 4: then move my hand anyway.
Speaker 2: Visual folks mocking the silliness of this sort of thing.
Speaker 4: That's right exactly, Yes, indeed Nazi. So I don't want
Speaker 4: to be completely unsympathetic to that legacy. And the idea
Speaker 4: that whipping up ethnic and racial hatred against people leads
Speaker 4: down a very terrible path is undeniably true. Here is
Speaker 4: the problem, though in company it absolutely has an upside,
Speaker 4: it has a benefit, as you point out, but it
Speaker 4: also is a ninety nine point three percent The Germans
Speaker 4: are very precise people, so I want to be very precise.
Speaker 4: It's like ninety nine point three percent likely that those
Speaker 4: who control what is going to be censored and in
Speaker 4: what way abuse that power of quashed descent, and they
Speaker 4: cause the very ugliness that you're hoping to prevent. It's
Speaker 4: the American counter to your sentiment, which it was expressed
Speaker 4: quite respectfully, and I appreciate that, and you made some
Speaker 4: good points. Is Thomas Jefferson's famous statement that I would
Speaker 4: rather attend to the problems of too much liberty than
Speaker 4: too little. And there's absolutely a downside to the way
Speaker 4: we do stuff. Absolutely true. On the other hand, we've
Speaker 4: got a democracy for all it's ups and downs going on,
Speaker 4: you know, two hundred and seventy five years or whatever
Speaker 4: it's it is at this point, or it's about to
Speaker 4: be two hundred and fifty. Yeah, okay. And it's rough
Speaker 4: and tumble and it's crazy and it's kind of ugly sometimes.
Speaker 4: But nobody can get going a movement anything like the
Speaker 4: Nazis because we have such a tradition of saying it
Speaker 4: out loud and arguing about it in public. You just
Speaker 4: can't get that sort of thing going behind the cloak
Speaker 4: at darkness. It's so in our DNA to share our
Speaker 4: ideas with each other and try to convince each other
Speaker 4: of our ideas validity, even if they're ugly or stupid,
Speaker 4: and they are a lot. It keeps us healthy. I'm
Speaker 4: probably doing a poor job of explaining this, But on
Speaker 4: the one side, I trust no one to tell me
Speaker 4: what I can and can't say, because the entire history
Speaker 4: of humanity is that it goes badly. And I would
Speaker 4: suggest that the Germans are have been until now a
Speaker 4: very homogeneous society, very disciplined, very proud of being German.
Speaker 4: You're much less homogeneous than you are now than you were.
Speaker 4: You're going to find more and more people will undermine
Speaker 4: everything you hold. And if you can't call them on
Speaker 4: it out loud, and if they happen to be Muslim,
Speaker 4: for instance, say and it seems to be a lot
Speaker 4: of Muslim people, that's gonna offend the crap out of them.
Speaker 4: That's a hurtful thing to say. But if it's true,
Speaker 4: you have to be able to say it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that that German fascist woman and it
Speaker 2: is fascist for her to say on sixty minutes the
Speaker 2: other night, with the approval of Face the nation that well,
Speaker 2: if you don't have these rules on free speech, a
Speaker 2: small number of people can control, you know, a certain
Speaker 2: story and put it out there. Yeah, lady, So you
Speaker 2: want a small number of people to decide what stories
Speaker 2: are okay or not wow? And you're always gonna get
Speaker 2: it right. You're always gonna get it right. You're you're
Speaker 2: how many times are people called racist in the United
Speaker 2: States for various things? Because you come all the time
Speaker 2: and that person is or sexist. So if that person's
Speaker 2: a woman or of any color, that you can just
Speaker 2: say it's sexist or racists, and then that little group
Speaker 2: of fascists, that German woman would get to say that,
Speaker 2: and you can't have that on the internet because that
Speaker 2: was sexist racism. No it wasn't. I was just commenting
Speaker 2: on their thoughts. No, no, no, you only commented on
Speaker 2: their thoughts because they're black or a woman. No, So
Speaker 2: obviously she's going to control the discourse and it falls
Speaker 2: apart immediately. I'd say it's one hundred percent of the
Speaker 2: time it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, because if you believe.
Speaker 2: That people believe it would work that it still shocks me.
Speaker 4: I guess it's incredibly naive.
Speaker 2: I guess it's because I've grown up with free speech.
Speaker 2: I just how do you think, lady, that you and
Speaker 2: a handful of people are going to be the arbitures
Speaker 2: are what's okay and what's not?
Speaker 4: That's not what's what's insulting? In what's legitimate criticism? I
Speaker 4: mean you? And it always works one way. That's the
Speaker 4: other frustrating part to me. You could launch a carefully constructed,
Speaker 4: historically substantiated argument against the Catholic Church, for instance, in Germany,
Speaker 4: and unleash that and be absolutely on solid ground. You
Speaker 4: do the same against Islam. Because it's a touchy subject.
Speaker 4: Those in charge in order to keep the peace would
Speaker 4: declare that offensive and insulting. So I guess a very
Speaker 4: very short answer to that sentiment that, look, we just
Speaker 4: keep it polite and we're just enforcing rules against impoliteness.
Speaker 4: My answer to that was, there is no human being
Speaker 4: on earth that I would trust with that power.
Speaker 2: Now, it's got to be cultural. The politeness has got
Speaker 2: to be enforced culturally. You can't do it from a
Speaker 2: censorship standpoint. It will never work exactly, and you read
Speaker 2: my mind. I've been to throw that in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got to be through social pressure, not the
Speaker 4: government's gun. Sorry, we'll finished strong.
Speaker 2: Next, we talk a fair amount about AI. I read
Speaker 2: about it a lot, and then just modern technology in general.
Speaker 2: I came across this article tempted by the false god
Speaker 2: of convenience. What to watch for is AI speeds forward
Speaker 2: Actually talk about John Phillips SUSA, which if you were
Speaker 2: in a marching band, you know who that is. He
Speaker 2: wrote all the most famous marching band songs that ever existed. Anyway,
Speaker 2: way back in nineteen oh six, he'd cried recorded music
Speaker 2: coming on the scene and thought it was gonna ruin everything.
Speaker 2: That you wouldn't need to learn to play the piano
Speaker 2: because you could just get a recording of it. Uh,
Speaker 2: it was right.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: He also went on to say, when a mother can
Speaker 2: turn on the phonograph with the same ease that she
Speaker 2: applies to the electric light, will she croon her baby
Speaker 2: to slumber with sleet lullabies? Or will the infant be
Speaker 2: put to sleep by machinery as it says in this
Speaker 2: article in the age of tablet clutching children, this ought
Speaker 2: to hit home. But the point really here is from
Speaker 2: Neo Postman. You might know that name. He wrote the
Speaker 2: famous book Amusing Ourselves to Death, which I've never read.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I've never read that book. I've quoted
Speaker 2: so many different parts, but I've never actually read. Came
Speaker 2: out in nineteen eighty five. But he had rules for technology.
Speaker 2: He had five rules. But the main gist of it
Speaker 2: is is that anytime there's a technological advance, there is
Speaker 2: a trade off, and that we should look closely at
Speaker 2: the trade offs and decide whether or not we're comfortable
Speaker 2: with that trade off before we go forward. And maybe
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll think, Yeah, I'm okay with the trade off,
Speaker 2: and sometimes maybe we should think we aren't. The things
Speaker 2: that you lose, but tempted by the false god of
Speaker 2: convenience is really going to exponentially explode with AI, is
Speaker 2: making everything effortless actually going to be better for us.
Speaker 2: If we can have a robot that does all the
Speaker 2: laundry and the dishes and modes of lawn and blah blah,
Speaker 2: does everything, will we will that actually be good? Or not?
Speaker 2: We should? We should think through.
Speaker 4: No, it'll kill kill mankind. It's the worst thing that
Speaker 4: could possibly happen. I mean between the fact that the
Speaker 4: idle hands of the devil's play things that it's only
Speaker 4: adversity that gives us strength. It's only the need to
Speaker 4: do the basics that give us the brain power to
Speaker 4: do the advanced. We talked about that study from Microsoft
Speaker 4: that people who are empowered by AI, that AI deals
Speaker 4: with all the basic stuff so they can just deal
Speaker 4: with the exceptions. They found that the people get weaker
Speaker 4: and weaker at being able to deal with the exceptions
Speaker 4: because they aren't strengthened over and over again by dealing
Speaker 4: with the regular stuff. It'll be the end of mankind,
Speaker 4: which is fine. I'm old. I've had my run. Good luck,
Speaker 4: y'all usher in the planet of the Beaters.
Speaker 1: Ready to.
Speaker 2: Again. I'd be fine with that if it didn't include
Speaker 2: perhaps my children being miserable their whole lives along with
Speaker 2: the rest of society.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do about that, so I've just accepted it.
Speaker 4: Mm hm, so I know what to do about the
Speaker 4: Get a final thought from everybody on the crew. Michael
Speaker 4: Angelow lead us off, Jack, you were talking about baseball
Speaker 4: rules for this upcoming season. I got to confirm this,
Speaker 4: but I believe during the playoffs they're going to add
Speaker 4: a fourth base. There you go, make it more exciting,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's in a different spot. Every games constantly
Speaker 2: learns that other face.
Speaker 4: It's like a video game. Katie Green are deemed Newswoman.
Speaker 4: As a final thought, Katie, I agree with most of
Speaker 4: what you guys say, but I'm under robot that does
Speaker 4: laundry is not the end of man. Better a laundry bot.
Speaker 4: I will allow it, Yes, Jack, final thought.
Speaker 2: Just since you brought up baseball, Michael I heard this
Speaker 2: morning the LA Dodgers, who won the World Series with
Speaker 2: the biggest payroll in all of baseball, have added like
Speaker 2: a half dozen really expensive more players this year. They
Speaker 2: have double the average salary of other teams in Major
Speaker 2: League Baseball and like five times as much as the
Speaker 2: bottom third. So we'll see how this works out.
Speaker 4: My final thought is be sure to watch the USA
Speaker 4: Canada hockey game tomorrow night. The last game between the
Speaker 4: two teams featured three fights in the first nine seconds, yes,
Speaker 4: right in the five holes. It was well that you're
Speaker 4: trying to punch each other in the head. Actually they're
Speaker 4: grown men. But ho.
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Speaker 2: That's okay.
Speaker 5: Now no I'm not saying it, so I'm not saying
Speaker 5: it's okay.
Speaker 4: Don't put word. There are two ways to look at this.
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Speaker 4: What the hell are you talking about?
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