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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Gatty and no, he.

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Yetty, a half faked negotiator could have settled

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Speaker 3: this years ago.

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Speaker 4: Direct US and Russian negotiations about Ukraine not sitting well

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Speaker 4: with Ukraine's Vladimir Zelenski. Absolutely, we are completely honest and open.

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Speaker 2: That's why I don't want any coincidences.

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Speaker 4: That's why I don't want to go to Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 4: President Trump not sympathetic to Zelenski's complaint.

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Speaker 1: But today I heard, oh, we weren't invited. Well, you've

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Speaker 1: been there for three years.

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Speaker 4: But Trump insists it's not personal, and I like him personally.

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Speaker 4: It's just fine.

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Speaker 2: But I don't care about personally.

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Speaker 4: I care getting the job done.

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Speaker 2: Boy, that's interesting. I like Peter Doucy. I watch Fox

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Speaker 2: every single day. But they edited it out Trump saying

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Speaker 2: Ukraine started the war. They didn't want to deal with that.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a pretty major statement by the President of

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Speaker 2: the freaking United States about a war were involved in.

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Speaker 4: Well, and he'll leave that out either Today. In subsequent tweets,

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Speaker 4: as we'll get to.

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Speaker 2: So let's play the whole clip here, thirty there, Michael,

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Speaker 2: I want.

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Speaker 4: To see piece.

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Speaker 1: Look, you know why I want because I don't want

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Speaker 1: all these people killed anymore. I'm looking at people that

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Speaker 1: are being killed, and they're Russian and Ukrainian people, but

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Speaker 1: they're people, doesn't matter where they're from, on the whole planet.

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Speaker 1: And I think I have the power to end this war,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, oh,

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Speaker 1: we weren't invited. Well, you've been there for three years.

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Speaker 1: You should have ended it three years. You should have

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Speaker 1: never started it. You could have made a deal.

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Speaker 2: You should have never started it. Ukraine started the war.

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Speaker 4: You've been there for three years, you should have made

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Speaker 4: a deal. I am utterly flabbergasted by that series of statements.

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Speaker 2: And we were thinking there is a chance he was

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Speaker 2: going to walk it back today, that maybe he just

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Speaker 2: shot off his mouth and you know, went too far.

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Speaker 2: I do it all the time, I do it almost

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Speaker 2: every day, or I wish I hadn't gone that far

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Speaker 2: on something in an effort to be provocative or funny,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, maybe he's gonna walk it back, But

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Speaker 2: he tweeted out think of it a modestly successful comedian.

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Speaker 2: Zelensky talked to the United States into spending three hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty billion dollars. You can skip down to, uh,

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Speaker 2: how it's a gravy train for Zelensky, that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: He's a dictator without elections, Zolensky not holding elections, so

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Speaker 2: he's become a dictator, that sort of stuff. Britt Hume

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Speaker 2: of Fox Again Fox Left that they started the war

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Speaker 2: out of that clip on purpose. But Brett Humes said,

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Speaker 2: this is music to the years of Vladimir Putin, the Trump,

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Speaker 2: the Trump tweet, and it is Putin's got to be thinking, wow, Wow,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Wall Street Journal Putin's got to be smiling ear

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Speaker 4: to ear National Review just and I you know, I

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Speaker 4: right saying that's because they're all globalist warmonger blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: To get in bed with Putin is to get in

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Speaker 4: bed with Satan. It's just it's awful. I am so

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Speaker 4: completely perplexed by Trump and what he's saying and what

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Speaker 4: his motivation is. The idea that Zelensky is a moderately

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Speaker 4: successful comedian. We could parse that phrase, what the hell

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Speaker 4: does that have to do with anything? He's freely elected,

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Speaker 4: that this, this horrific war, which is ground a country

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Speaker 4: down and practically killed him and still may is somehow

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Speaker 4: a gravy trained I just this is Kremlin generated bulls.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you can you can believe that it's no

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Speaker 2: big deal that Russia gets to keep twenty percent of

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Speaker 2: World War two. But that's just a policy disagreement. It's

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Speaker 2: not a policy disagreement for Trump to say Ukraine started it,

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Speaker 2: that's just right, What the hell is that?

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Speaker 4: Well, and the idea that well, they were too friendly

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Speaker 4: trip wire. Blah blah blah. All of that stuff is true.

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Speaker 4: But that absolutely to extrapolate from there to take the

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Speaker 4: Olympic world record setting leap from that too. Therefore, Ukraine

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Speaker 4: I'll try not to be insulting. It's absurd.

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Speaker 2: So different hot spot. Trump also has to deal with, obviously,

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Speaker 2: or whatever is going to happen there. IDF just put

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Speaker 2: out a new report, that's the Israeli Defense Forces a

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Speaker 2: new report on October seventh, which is gonna, you know,

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Speaker 2: be a big deal because you know, how the hell

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Speaker 2: and it took all day long to rest to get

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Speaker 2: to where the Hamas fighters had gone in and started

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Speaker 2: slaughtering people. I mean, all kinds of failures. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: part of the report. The most interesting finding from the

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Speaker 2: IDF report on the October seventh attack on one of

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Speaker 2: the kibbutzes is that only one hundred of the three

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty terrorists who entered the kibbutz were Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and forty of the three hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: were Palestinian civilians. Seventy percent of the Palestinians who attacked

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Speaker 2: that kibbutz were civilians, and this holds across the board.

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Speaker 2: Palestinian civilians made up the majority of the terrorists using

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Speaker 2: the finger quotes who attacked Israel in October seventh, So

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Speaker 2: how do you deal with that situation from a political standpoint?

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Speaker 2: And then you've got this. We had this news yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It was very, very grim. I'll read it the way

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Speaker 2: ABC presented it. Breaking news on ABC. Hamas will release

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Speaker 2: the bodies of four deceased hostages on Thursday and six

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Speaker 2: living hostages on Saturday. Hamas and Israel confirmed four more

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Speaker 2: dead hostages will be released next week, according to israel As.

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Speaker 2: Jonah Goldberg pointed out tweeting this, according to any reasonable

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Speaker 2: law of morality, the hostages were murdered outright by Hamas. Deceased.

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Speaker 2: Using the term deceased is water carrying four the terrorists,

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Speaker 2: which is absolutely true. Just calling them deceased, you know,

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Speaker 2: they could have died in natural causes, our fellon, hit

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Speaker 2: their head or whatever. They were, including a mom and

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Speaker 2: two babies, by the way, the two youngest hostages. They're

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Speaker 2: going to get back the bodies because Hamas murdered them,

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Speaker 2: whether it starved them to death, beat them, deaths, split

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Speaker 2: their throats, who knows, but mind through.

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Speaker 4: The winds on October seventh, perhaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but mom and the two babies are dead, and

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Speaker 2: they were murdered by Hamas. And again seventy percent of

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Speaker 2: the people who had attacked the Israelis, including at that

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Speaker 2: peace loving concert, were just Palestinian. That explains the cheering

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just go back to the giant demonstrations

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Speaker 4: United States, Palestinian people were thrilled, thrilled that the Great Satan,

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Speaker 4: the great you know, the infidels had gotten kicked in

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Speaker 2: So trying to non emotionally understand Trump's foreign policy, Why

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Speaker 2: so willing to give away the farm, in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: That's a great question, and I do not have.

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Speaker 2: An answer, because if he's just a non intervention it's

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Speaker 2: like he doesn't want the United States involved in wars

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Speaker 2: that you know, don't he doesn't believe affect us. That's

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Speaker 2: a policy, you know, that's a foreign policy. That's a

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Speaker 2: point of view. Lots of people have had it, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't fit in with his willingness. It would seem

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Speaker 2: to probably help Israel attack Iran and maybe, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't have any idea. I have

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Speaker 4: some theories. I would like to think about them more

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Speaker 4: I'm very, very troubled by this. I will tell you

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Speaker 4: very very strong feeling that a lot of really really

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Speaker 4: great things were going to happen. Things that nobody else

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Speaker 4: the Beltway. I knew that this would be really, really

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Speaker 4: It's fantastic, a plus a couple of mistakes. There's some

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Speaker 4: things that trouble me. The Eric Adams deal. We hadn't

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Speaker 4: be a certain amount of crazy with Trump. Just it's

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Speaker 4: part of the deal. Foreign policy wise, oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: So I knew there were going to be some really

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Speaker 4: His foreign policy completely befuddles me. Ah And as always,

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Speaker 4: if it becomes clear that he had something else in

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Speaker 4: term business relationship with Ukraine that to ever attack Ukraine

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Speaker 4: So Ukrainian security is it's going to be such a

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Speaker 4: I'll come on the air and tell you so yes,

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Speaker 2: It, I might have it for you here. I can't

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Speaker 2: believe I forgot about this till now, because I read

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Speaker 2: Which was you know, kind of a Nixon strategy back

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Speaker 2: He brought China into our orbit to make sure China

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Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah, for a variety of reasons. Then you know,

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Speaker 4: if ending the war in Ukraine would remove one of

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Speaker 4: the main incentives Putin has to kiss Hji in Ping's ass,

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Speaker 4: which is he needs the money in toms. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 4: absolutely truth to that. I don't well, I could easily

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Speaker 4: saying some of the things he said, you don't need

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Speaker 2: Although I'll bet Putin loved that. Putin loved that.

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Speaker 2: Well, was their main thing, like their main belief for

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Speaker 2: Well did the aggressive thing? Half dozen people dead? Are

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Speaker 4: Five, eight, Armstrong and getty.

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Speaker 6: He was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized.

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Speaker 4: the American counter to your sentiment, which it was expressed

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Speaker 4: quite respectfully, and I appreciate that, and you made some

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Speaker 4: good points. Is Thomas Jefferson's famous statement that I would

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Speaker 4: rather attend to the problems of too much liberty than

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Speaker 4: too little. And there's absolutely a downside to the way

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Speaker 4: we do stuff. Absolutely true. On the other hand, we've

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Speaker 4: got a democracy for all it's ups and downs going on,

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Speaker 4: you know, two hundred and seventy five years or whatever

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Speaker 4: it's it is at this point, or it's about to

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Speaker 4: be two hundred and fifty. Yeah, okay. And it's rough

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Speaker 4: and tumble and it's crazy and it's kind of ugly sometimes.

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Speaker 4: But nobody can get going a movement anything like the

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Speaker 4: Nazis because we have such a tradition of saying it

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Speaker 4: out loud and arguing about it in public. You just

447
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Speaker 4: can't get that sort of thing going behind the cloak

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Speaker 4: at darkness. It's so in our DNA to share our

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Speaker 4: ideas with each other and try to convince each other

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Speaker 4: of our ideas validity, even if they're ugly or stupid,

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Speaker 4: and they are a lot. It keeps us healthy. I'm

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Speaker 4: probably doing a poor job of explaining this, But on

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Speaker 4: the one side, I trust no one to tell me

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Speaker 4: what I can and can't say, because the entire history

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Speaker 4: of humanity is that it goes badly. And I would

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Speaker 4: suggest that the Germans are have been until now a

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Speaker 4: very homogeneous society, very disciplined, very proud of being German.

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Speaker 4: You're much less homogeneous than you are now than you were.

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Speaker 4: You're going to find more and more people will undermine

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Speaker 4: everything you hold. And if you can't call them on

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Speaker 4: it out loud, and if they happen to be Muslim,

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Speaker 4: for instance, say and it seems to be a lot

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Speaker 4: of Muslim people, that's gonna offend the crap out of them.

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Speaker 4: That's a hurtful thing to say. But if it's true,

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Speaker 4: you have to be able to say it.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that that German fascist woman and it

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Speaker 2: is fascist for her to say on sixty minutes the

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Speaker 2: other night, with the approval of Face the nation that well,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have these rules on free speech, a

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Speaker 2: small number of people can control, you know, a certain

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Speaker 2: story and put it out there. Yeah, lady, So you

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Speaker 2: want a small number of people to decide what stories

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Speaker 2: are okay or not wow? And you're always gonna get

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Speaker 2: it right. You're always gonna get it right. You're you're

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Speaker 2: how many times are people called racist in the United

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Speaker 2: States for various things? Because you come all the time

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Speaker 2: and that person is or sexist. So if that person's

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Speaker 2: a woman or of any color, that you can just

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Speaker 2: say it's sexist or racists, and then that little group

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Speaker 2: of fascists, that German woman would get to say that,

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Speaker 2: and you can't have that on the internet because that

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Speaker 2: was sexist racism. No it wasn't. I was just commenting

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Speaker 2: on their thoughts. No, no, no, you only commented on

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Speaker 2: their thoughts because they're black or a woman. No, So

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Speaker 2: obviously she's going to control the discourse and it falls

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Speaker 2: apart immediately. I'd say it's one hundred percent of the

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Speaker 2: time it doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree, because if you believe.

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Speaker 2: That people believe it would work that it still shocks me.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's incredibly naive.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's because I've grown up with free speech.

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Speaker 2: I just how do you think, lady, that you and

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Speaker 2: a handful of people are going to be the arbitures

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Speaker 2: are what's okay and what's not?

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Speaker 4: That's not what's what's insulting? In what's legitimate criticism? I

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Speaker 4: mean you? And it always works one way. That's the

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Speaker 4: other frustrating part to me. You could launch a carefully constructed,

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Speaker 4: historically substantiated argument against the Catholic Church, for instance, in Germany,

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Speaker 4: and unleash that and be absolutely on solid ground. You

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Speaker 4: do the same against Islam. Because it's a touchy subject.

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Speaker 4: Those in charge in order to keep the peace would

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Speaker 4: declare that offensive and insulting. So I guess a very

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Speaker 4: very short answer to that sentiment that, look, we just

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Speaker 4: keep it polite and we're just enforcing rules against impoliteness.

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Speaker 4: My answer to that was, there is no human being

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Speaker 4: on earth that I would trust with that power.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's got to be cultural. The politeness has got

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Speaker 2: to be enforced culturally. You can't do it from a

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Speaker 2: censorship standpoint. It will never work exactly, and you read

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Speaker 2: my mind. I've been to throw that in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got to be through social pressure, not the

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Speaker 4: government's gun. Sorry, we'll finished strong.

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Speaker 2: Next, we talk a fair amount about AI. I read

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Speaker 2: about it a lot, and then just modern technology in general.

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Speaker 2: I came across this article tempted by the false god

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Speaker 2: of convenience. What to watch for is AI speeds forward

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Speaker 2: Actually talk about John Phillips SUSA, which if you were

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Speaker 2: in a marching band, you know who that is. He

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Speaker 2: wrote all the most famous marching band songs that ever existed. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: way back in nineteen oh six, he'd cried recorded music

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Speaker 2: coming on the scene and thought it was gonna ruin everything.

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Speaker 2: That you wouldn't need to learn to play the piano

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Speaker 2: because you could just get a recording of it. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it was right.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: He also went on to say, when a mother can

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Speaker 2: turn on the phonograph with the same ease that she

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Speaker 2: applies to the electric light, will she croon her baby

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Speaker 2: to slumber with sleet lullabies? Or will the infant be

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Speaker 2: put to sleep by machinery as it says in this

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Speaker 2: article in the age of tablet clutching children, this ought

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Speaker 2: to hit home. But the point really here is from

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Speaker 2: Neo Postman. You might know that name. He wrote the

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Speaker 2: famous book Amusing Ourselves to Death, which I've never read.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I've never read that book. I've quoted

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Speaker 2: so many different parts, but I've never actually read. Came

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Speaker 2: out in nineteen eighty five. But he had rules for technology.

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Speaker 2: He had five rules. But the main gist of it

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Speaker 2: is is that anytime there's a technological advance, there is

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Speaker 2: a trade off, and that we should look closely at

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Speaker 2: the trade offs and decide whether or not we're comfortable

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Speaker 2: with that trade off before we go forward. And maybe

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00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll think, Yeah, I'm okay with the trade off,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes maybe we should think we aren't. The things

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Speaker 2: that you lose, but tempted by the false god of

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Speaker 2: convenience is really going to exponentially explode with AI, is

547
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Speaker 2: making everything effortless actually going to be better for us.

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Speaker 2: If we can have a robot that does all the

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Speaker 2: laundry and the dishes and modes of lawn and blah blah,

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Speaker 2: does everything, will we will that actually be good? Or not?

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Speaker 2: We should? We should think through.

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Speaker 4: No, it'll kill kill mankind. It's the worst thing that

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Speaker 4: could possibly happen. I mean between the fact that the

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Speaker 4: idle hands of the devil's play things that it's only

555
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: adversity that gives us strength. It's only the need to

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Speaker 4: do the basics that give us the brain power to

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Speaker 4: do the advanced. We talked about that study from Microsoft

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Speaker 4: that people who are empowered by AI, that AI deals

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Speaker 4: with all the basic stuff so they can just deal

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Speaker 4: with the exceptions. They found that the people get weaker

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Speaker 4: and weaker at being able to deal with the exceptions

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Speaker 4: because they aren't strengthened over and over again by dealing

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Speaker 4: with the regular stuff. It'll be the end of mankind,

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Speaker 4: which is fine. I'm old. I've had my run. Good luck,

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Speaker 4: y'all usher in the planet of the Beaters.

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Speaker 1: Ready to.

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Speaker 2: Again. I'd be fine with that if it didn't include

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Speaker 2: perhaps my children being miserable their whole lives along with

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Speaker 2: the rest of society.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what to do about that, so I've just accepted it.

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Speaker 4: Mm hm, so I know what to do about the

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Speaker 4: Get a final thought from everybody on the crew. Michael

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Speaker 4: Angelow lead us off, Jack, you were talking about baseball

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Speaker 4: rules for this upcoming season. I got to confirm this,

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Speaker 4: but I believe during the playoffs they're going to add

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Speaker 4: a fourth base. There you go, make it more exciting,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it's in a different spot. Every games constantly

581
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Speaker 2: learns that other face.

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Speaker 4: It's like a video game. Katie Green are deemed Newswoman.

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Speaker 4: As a final thought, Katie, I agree with most of

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Speaker 4: what you guys say, but I'm under robot that does

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Speaker 4: laundry is not the end of man. Better a laundry bot.

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Speaker 4: I will allow it, Yes, Jack, final thought.

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Speaker 2: Just since you brought up baseball, Michael I heard this

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Speaker 2: morning the LA Dodgers, who won the World Series with

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Speaker 2: the biggest payroll in all of baseball, have added like

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Speaker 2: a half dozen really expensive more players this year. They

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Speaker 2: have double the average salary of other teams in Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball and like five times as much as the

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Speaker 2: bottom third. So we'll see how this works out.

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Speaker 4: My final thought is be sure to watch the USA

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Speaker 4: Canada hockey game tomorrow night. The last game between the

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Speaker 4: two teams featured three fights in the first nine seconds, yes,

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Speaker 4: right in the five holes. It was well that you're

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Speaker 4: trying to punch each other in the head. Actually they're

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Speaker 4: grown men. But ho.

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Speaker 2: The entertainments Armstrong and Game wrapping up another grueling four

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Speaker 2: hour workdays.

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Speaker 4: So many people, thanks so little time. Go to Armstrong

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Speaker 4: in geeddy dot com. The hot links always entertaining so

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Speaker 4: The hoodies flying off the shelves, drop us a note.

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Speaker 4: Is there something we ought to be talking about? Do

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Speaker 4: you know what Trump's driving at with the stuff he

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Speaker 4: said about Ukraine? Mail bag at Armstrong and geedddy dot com.

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Speaker 2: See tomorrow God bless America in order to save taxpayer money.

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Speaker 2: It comes down to two things. I'm strong and get you.

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Speaker 2: That's okay.

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Speaker 5: Now no I'm not saying it, so I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: it's okay.

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Speaker 4: Don't put word. There are two ways to look at this.

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Speaker 2: Where shide are you?

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Speaker 4: What the hell are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: It seems like there's a few kingsonets slinkys.

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Speaker 4: That's not crazy. For those of you that don't.

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Speaker 2: Understand, they even in Washington, that math doesn't work. It's

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Speaker 2: sure think it's very

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Speaker 4: Armstrong and getty