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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day we bring

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com slash podcast. Well, our next guest

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Speaker 1: is I'm gonna call the All Big ten team. Undergraduate

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Speaker 1: degree from University of Wisconsin and then an MBA from Indiana,

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Speaker 1: Greg Han. He's the chief ce IO of Winthrop Capital Management. Greg,

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Speaker 1: we kind of got a FED yesterday that kind of

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Speaker 1: threw some I guess some uncertainty into this market. Is

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Speaker 1: talking about maybe being a little bit more hawkish. What

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Speaker 1: did you take away from yesterday's trading and then today's

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Speaker 1: seemingly kind of rebound here on a risk on Look,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? Good old days? We're going back

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Speaker 1: to the good old days because the Fed, the FED

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Speaker 1: needs to get in front of inflation. So I think

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Speaker 1: the posturing that we're hearing now is one that UM

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Speaker 1: represents UM more of the committee, the committee's views, and

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit more hawkish um in reminding investors

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Speaker 1: that hey, we we don't have to move in twenty

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Speaker 1: five basiness point increments UM. But there's been a reticence,

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Speaker 1: especially with the labor challenges that we're going through last year,

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Speaker 1: to actually message that two investors. We heard a very

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Speaker 1: clear message from the Fed yesterday. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: the steps necessary that we have to to uh to

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Speaker 1: to move retired, to control inflation. In in Paul, They're

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Speaker 1: gonna they're going to implode the economy to do it.

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Speaker 1: That's basically what the messages that were. If we have

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Speaker 1: to push the economy into a recession, we'll do it.

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Speaker 1: That was the message we took away. We were just

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Speaker 1: talking with our chief rate strategy, our Jersey, who's um,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we will have a recession, he said.

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Speaker 1: The question is just what kind of recession are we

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Speaker 1: looking at? In three what's your out what's your outlook? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've shifted. You know. It's funny because we plan. We

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Speaker 1: we lay these big plans out at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year, here's our investment themes. And sure enough we

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Speaker 1: get to March and Wisconsin is not in the sweet

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Speaker 1: sixteen and I got it, so I gotta change that.

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Speaker 1: We've got to change our outlook on the economy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's a whole brutal. But that's

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Speaker 1: what That's what investing is. You just have to shift,

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Speaker 1: you do the next right thing. You can't just stick

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Speaker 1: to your plan and say, Okay, I gotta I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: just die on the hill on this. We've we've got

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Speaker 1: to be flexible at move um and we saw that

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Speaker 1: with Amicron last year. Um it we are. We We

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Speaker 1: thought that we'd see this resurgence and growth, but the

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Speaker 1: variant really put muted any economic growth that we were expecting.

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Speaker 1: We thought it would get pushed into this year, but

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Speaker 1: the Russian invasion of Ukraine is going to provide serious

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Speaker 1: dislocation for Europe. So we're going to see inflation, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna see a slowdown in Europe. It's going to impact

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Speaker 1: the United States. The real issue that we're trying to

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Speaker 1: navigate now is what we've we've dealt with globalization for

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Speaker 1: over three decades. We're seeing we think we're moving back

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Speaker 1: to the period where we have trading block block countries,

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Speaker 1: w t O is almost neutered if we if major

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Speaker 1: countries have establish UM privileged trading relationships, so that that

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Speaker 1: may be one of the consequences of the last four

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Speaker 1: what we're doing with russ all right, So with that backdrop, Greg,

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Speaker 1: what's an investor to do when this rising interest rate

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Speaker 1: and inflation environment? Where do you go? Hold on? So

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Speaker 1: just be patient and hold on. We've had We've got

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Speaker 1: to remind it. Look, we've had three great years in

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Speaker 1: the sp average returns an SP of over the last

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Speaker 1: three years. We're giving some of it back cashes and

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Speaker 1: an asset class. So we actually are allocated to cash

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Speaker 1: just to just to be transitional. UM. These are near

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Speaker 1: term issues. Yes, cash is not keeping up with inflation.

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Speaker 1: We get that, we know that, but it's right now,

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Speaker 1: it's not meant to it's it's there to preserve capital.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, this is a stock

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Speaker 1: you know twenty on the tenure that that starts to

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Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. Now, um, whether they actually

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about that? That? Uh?

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Speaker 1: the economy will break. And then if if I don't

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Speaker 1: the next right thing, which was the pattern in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies with the Federal Reserve really postponed really Curtailian inflation.

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Speaker 1: building up in the system. We think the same thing

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Speaker 1: is going to happen this time. Is the fed's not

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Speaker 1: going to do enough because we will it will be

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Speaker 1: politically unpopular. And who buys the tenure here? When you

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Speaker 1: get more for buying threes, fives and sevens. You know

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Speaker 1: who says I want to seven and at ten when

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Speaker 1: you can get two four at seven. Doesn't make any sense? Well,

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Speaker 1: I asked the question, but I am sorry, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, it just seems um if you

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Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. But yeah, all right, Greg,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you coming on here, Greg han Cee, I

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Speaker 1: O Winthrop cap All Management giving us his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the market. And again, seems like a consensus is kind

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Speaker 1: of building here for some type of recessionary environment. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of new, I mean in Atlanta, Wilson, certainly since

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Speaker 1: you know, the buck stops here. By the way, we

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Speaker 1: should wish Gregg and Wisconsin best of luck for next year.

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Speaker 1: We should yeah, okay, there's a basketball tournament every year. Okay, good, alright,

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Speaker 1: the duke invitation when I call it. You know, I

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Speaker 1: the only time I've ever made money on a vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Car trader. All right, let's see you can put some

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Speaker 1: money in the stock market today. You do pretty well.

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Speaker 1: The SMPS up one percent and as DAGs up. Robert Teeter,

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Speaker 1: head of Investment Policy and Strategy Group of Silver Cress

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Speaker 1: Asset Management, joins us. Robert, I'm not sure if I

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Speaker 1: my stock portfolio. What do you tell on your clients, Well,

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Speaker 1: both have been pretty compelling over the over the past

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Speaker 1: spreader and the US autos are pretty interesting. But I

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Speaker 1: do think some of the youth thouto sales are slowing

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Speaker 1: down a little bit, so I'd say stick with stocks.

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Speaker 1: This has been a pretty challenging environment. But we do

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Speaker 1: think there's a strong undercurrent of earnings growth that's likely

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Speaker 1: or two. But is that I mean, with double digit

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Speaker 1: is now ready to hike fifty basis points at multiple meetings,

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Speaker 1: are you not concerned that this economic growth is going

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Speaker 1: to slow to a halt. Well, I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: been part of the challenge that markets have been working

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Speaker 1: through here with this choppiness of late, which has been

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Speaker 1: that there is a deceleration in growth. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: in the camp of of recession. I do think there's

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Speaker 1: strong underlying growth to come, partly driven by COVID recovery

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Speaker 1: And while you will get a bit of the the

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Speaker 1: energy cost tax on consumers that might slow the top

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Speaker 1: line rate of growth a little bit, there is still

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Speaker 1: strong earnings growth and companies have been navigating this economy

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Speaker 1: the face of a lot of challenges in the past years.

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Speaker 1: My concern is just this, Robert, that we have a

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Speaker 1: term hell bent, but I can't think of a less

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Speaker 1: slowing demand at the same time, we're about to see

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Speaker 1: I do think that's right. I think that some of

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Speaker 1: think will be positive for investors and for valuations. So, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned profitability earnings a couple of times. How concerned

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Speaker 1: I do think that's the that's the really important question,

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Speaker 1: and I think in some areas it will pressure a bit. Um.

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Speaker 1: We've been of the mind that this market has been

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Speaker 1: one where you need to be very highly selective. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It lends itself very well, we think to stock selection

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Speaker 1: because different companies are are having different degrees of success

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Speaker 1: By and large, when we've looked at the Russell one thousand,

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Speaker 1: overall margins have been very strong, improving somewhat, but it's

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Speaker 1: do think it's important to focus your opportunities on where

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Speaker 1: companies are managing to the problems and delivering on earnings. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And like we've been seeing today, if they deal with

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Speaker 1: the supply chain issues, well they are rewarded. Um. Who

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Speaker 1: do you think is best positioned? Yeah, Well, we think

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Speaker 1: think there are some segments in consumer, even though consumer

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Speaker 1: earning estimates have come down a bit, there's still pretty

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Speaker 1: strong consumer demand in some areas, and then I think

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Speaker 1: a few of the cyclical areas might still have a

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Speaker 1: few innings left of growth. So we think it's important

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Speaker 1: to be diversified here and again really focus on which

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Speaker 1: companies are getting the job done at the micro level.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's really the theme here. Macro has

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Speaker 1: to micro micro. UM. When I think growth, I guess

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Speaker 1: I think that this work will will come over since

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Speaker 1: Now the more Christian freedom and this is not a

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Speaker 1: civilized war the Euros, Russia A thank you very much

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