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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decans. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. It is the top of the week,

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Speaker 1: and that means it is yet again time for our

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Speaker 1: weekly Strange News segment. You know, we've mentioned this in

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Speaker 1: the past. We can sometimes have a tough time distilling

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Speaker 1: all the events of the week down to just three things.

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Speaker 1: But here I think we're very much at an impast.

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Speaker 1: We know about the events in the Middle East that

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Speaker 1: are happening as we record. Also the events in Colombia

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Speaker 1: that are happening is we record. So want to thank

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Speaker 1: everybody for writing in on this. We are aware of these.

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Speaker 1: They each warrant a full episode, I would argue on

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Speaker 1: their own, uh, instead of you know, fifteen minutes, which

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Speaker 1: is typically what we aim for our strange News segments.

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Speaker 1: But today we're talking about We're talking about several things

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Speaker 1: that UM may have escaped your attention in the mainstream news.

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Speaker 1: One definitely didn't, especially if you're a longtime listeners. Stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Uh, there may be

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Speaker 1: something big on the way in the skies. Next month

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Speaker 1: we have a story of a local vigilante. Well they're

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Speaker 1: local to you know, the people who live around them,

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Speaker 1: but for us, they're they're just a super vigilante. And

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Speaker 1: then a story about systemic race is UM and how

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Speaker 1: it affects people in the modern day and something a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks may not have considered yet. Where do

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Speaker 1: you guys want to start? I'm kind of leaning towards

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Speaker 1: real superhero I don't know, that's just me. I like

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Speaker 1: so apparently for the last eight years UM a real

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Speaker 1: but to me, you know, Batman, I think it's I'm

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Speaker 1: as is a dude in Little Rock, Arkansas who has

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Speaker 1: apparently been walking amongst the citizens of Little Rock for

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Speaker 1: And he goes by the name It's pretty cool shadow Vision,

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, he's got some kind of Batman asked qualities.

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Speaker 1: He's got these gauntlets that have little fins on the side,

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Speaker 1: your life from a situation, and then you find out, oh,

428
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 1: without me, this home, according to this person or this

429
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: group or this company, is worth twice as much when

430
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: I'm not here. Yeah, that's that's the issue, Matt, because

431
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's an excellent New York Times article

432
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: from that talks about a nearly identical situation with a

433
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: different price point. UM with U with the couple Albina

434
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: and Alex Horton, and there they had estimated their house

435
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: would a praise around four hundred and fifty thousand dollars

436
00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, Florida, but then their first appraisal uh back

437
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: with the value of three hundred and thirty thousand dollars

438
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: and so um. Mrs Horton, who was an attorney too,

439
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: she did exactly what you're describing, and this may be

440
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: a story that Carlette was aware of earlier. Does exactly

441
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: what you're describing there. And then additionally she she her

442
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: husband have a six year old kid, right, so they

443
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: take the kid out to target and she leaves her husband,

444
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: who is white, alone at home to answer the door

445
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: for the appraisal. And they talked about how she replaced

446
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: all the paintings, she took books by black authors off

447
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: the shelves and then boom, this new appraiser gave their

448
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: home a value of four hundred and sixty five thousand dollars,

449
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: which is kind of in line with what you're saying.

450
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: That was more than so it's almost a fifty increase.

451
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: This is systemic, This is a real This is an

452
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: active conspiracy. You know, yeah, it really is um and

453
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: what's happening. I guarantee you car carl Let saw what

454
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: was going on because ABC seven, but that's based in

455
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: northern California, has been doing an amazing job putting this

456
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: stuff out there, so getting stories from individuals and families

457
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: that have been going through this and just showing how

458
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: often it occurs. It's it's really intense and once you

459
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: see it, you can't un see it. There's one reporter

460
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: got it right here. His name is Julian Glover. He's

461
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: a reporter and anchor with ABC seven There's News Bay Area.

462
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: He's just been going through story after story of this

463
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: appraisal discrimination and you can find him on Twitter. It's

464
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Julian j U l I A N G as in

465
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: gator sorry. And then ABC seven that's on Twitter and

466
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: you can you can reach out to him if you've

467
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: got a story, which is really what's been happening. People

468
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: saw in Origin one of these original stories which was

469
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: about a very similar thing with a family going through this.

470
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: They this family, they put like a hundred and fifty

471
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of work into a home. No, when

472
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: you when you owned your house, you did quite a

473
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: bit of work on it, right, Well, it was I

474
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: was just about to mention, like, in the same way

475
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: that an appraiser is hired to do a particular job,

476
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: it's often tied to the loan in some way. It's

477
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: the same thing with an inspection, you know, and you

478
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: always hear about scams potentially being run by like maybe

479
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: the inspector is not paid off. But like there's some

480
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: there are possibilities where there can be fraud even an inspection,

481
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: as as there obviously are with appraisals, because there are

482
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: things that can be overlooked or it's easy for a

483
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: place to pass inspection and actually have tons of pretty

484
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: serious problems, which my place did. Um just like rot

485
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: that have been covered up with like bondo on a deck,

486
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, and like horrible, horrible roof problems. I had

487
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: to learn how to like you know, play shingles and

488
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: all this stuff. But um, all of this stuff I

489
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: think is exacerbated right now by what's going on with

490
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: COVID and like the increased demand for housing and this

491
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of feeding frenzy. Uh to just sell as many

492
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: houses as quickly as possible and make as much money

493
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: as possible. I'm wondering, though, why would the house be

494
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: How does that benefit you know, the bank to undervalue

495
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: the house, Like, wouldn't they get more money if people

496
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: were taking a loan out to buy a more expensive house,

497
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: if this family was trying to sell And I'm trying

498
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: to understand the motivation. Okay, well maybe I missed the point.

499
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: Then who does it benefit. In many cases, these are

500
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: homeowners or people who have a mortgage you know, paying

501
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: a bank where they are attempting to either refinance their

502
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: home or they're attempting to get you know, like see

503
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: real equity in their homes so they can get money,

504
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, to do other things. So really it is

505
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: in the bank's interest to say, no, it's not worth

506
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: that much. Actually you still owe sevent of your loan.

507
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: You can't get whatever, you can't get x out of

508
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: your home yet. But but the banks don't control the appraisers.

509
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: That's right. No, I understand that, but that's that's that's

510
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: the issue though, right, So we're saying this is just

511
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: in general a cultural bias, like how does it behoove

512
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: the the appraiser to to offer a lower appraisal? Well,

513
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: to really understand, you kind of have to go back

514
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: through history, like I was saying, the nineteen thirties. Uh,

515
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: this is around the time when our friend f DR

516
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: brought about the New Deal and a lot of things

517
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: that did help lower and middle class families, but there

518
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: are also a lot of problems with a lot of

519
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: the things put forward. Um, you can jump to there's

520
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: an article from home light dot com. It is titled

521
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: what does Racism have to do with Real estate Appraisals?

522
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: And in here it gives you a quick, really really

523
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: quick history lesson here about this. But it talks about

524
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: how when Roosevelt was president, there was uh quote, a

525
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: fundamental restructuring of the housing market that occurred there And

526
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: let's just read this to you. The government made homes

527
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: more affordable by changing the average mortgage term. So if

528
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: you're going out there and trying to buy a home.

529
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Right now, you're probably going to get a fifteen year loan,

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00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: thirty year loan, something in you know, the decades essentially

531
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: of you making payments every month to pay off your

532
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: massive loan that you're gonna have to take out because

533
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: homes are day expensive. Um, but it used to be gosh,

534
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: what was it was like a six year loan. A

535
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: three year loan you would get on a home would

536
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: have been long, right, yes, exactly, would have been almost

537
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: unheard of. And that meant that a lot more people

538
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: got access to buying a home because now I don't

539
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: have as much money at one time as somebody who

540
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: used to be able to buy a home, but now

541
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: I can still afford a home by making these smaller payments,

542
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: just a lot more of them. So to a degree,

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00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: it democratizes, uh, the ownership class, or the ability to

544
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: get into the ownership class, which pretties was a different story.

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00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: But of course this occurs in the context of even

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00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: more prevalent open racism. I think, are we are we

547
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: getting to redlining? We are getting to redlining, But the

548
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: whole point is that it isn't a way to get there.

549
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, but it increases the ability for people

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00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: to join that ownership class or the the homeowners class,

551
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: the landowners class, um, if you want to separate it.

552
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: That separated out that way. But what it does is

553
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: it separates groups, uh into neighborhoods essentially or you know,

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00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: really that's what it is. It puts boundaries around where

555
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: people live. And there was this whole, this whole concept

556
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: that there needed to be a formal assessment of the

557
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: value of a home, and there were these things that

558
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: were mocked up and then eventually created and set in

559
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: stone at least for a time. That were these maps,

560
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: these color coded maps that were created essentially of neighborhoods.

561
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: And these maps often referred to people call them redline maps,

562
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: redlining maps. Uh. They ranked neighborhoods with like the most

563
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: value or the least value, and it kind of changed

564
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: colors depending on what it was. And the one the

565
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: neighborhoods that were largely, if not only, occupied by white

566
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: middle class families were considered the you know, the top

567
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: tier essentially crem and this is before the Fair Housing

568
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen sixty so this was all not only

569
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: was this all treated as though it were legal, but

570
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: also often the people who are victimized by this had

571
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: no real means of recourse, you know what I mean?

572
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: Like you, you can you afford the lawyer fees? Can

573
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: you afford the inevitable discrimination by law enforcement which will

574
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: also not get in trouble for doing very evils to you? Yeah?

575
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: But the problem, the real, real problem with this. I mean,

576
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: like like Ben said in the sixties, and it changed

577
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: a little bit, at least part of the process he's changed.

578
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: The problem is that everybody started from that one place.

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00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: When you're talking about home appraisals, home values in neighborhoods.

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00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: So when when a home is initially valued at thirty

581
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: dollars and you're living in this part of the neighborhood,

582
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: then you have the same stinking house. Let's say it's

583
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: the same builder, the same everything, but it's in this neighborhood,

584
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: and that home is worth a hundred and twenty thousand

585
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: dollars if you start there and now you move throughout time,

586
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: and that home began at that lower price and this

587
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: home began at this higher price. It's it really puts

588
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: anybody who buys that home at a disadvantage, and anybody

589
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: who buys the at her home at an advantage. I'm sorry,

590
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I'm missing missing this still, but like

591
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: if if the family already owns the house, they're trying

592
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: to appraise the house at a lower cost, Like, what

593
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: like the nefarious intent behind that they already own the

594
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: house is to hopefully they'll just leave wait the house,

595
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: Like yeah, well no, I'm asking you, Like, I mean,

596
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: if they're they're assessing the house because the person is

597
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: black at a lower value, Like, how does that feed

598
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: into this? This is that this idea of like resurgence

599
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: of redlining, well in a weird way, whether whether the

600
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: person making the appraisal is aware of it or it's

601
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: just something that's happening. The appraiser makes choices about which

602
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: homes to compare the existing home to write and maybe

603
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to be the home next door

604
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: the What is what seems to be happening is that

605
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: some people, whether they know it or not, and some

606
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: because they do know it, are choosing or accidentally because

607
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: of whatever practice, they are appraising these homes at a

608
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: much lower value because just because of what they're comparing

609
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: them too. Well, there may also be a proprietary system

610
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: used by an appraiser. This, this is the big deal

611
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: the in my opinion, it's just my opinion. I am

612
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: not an appraiser, um. Nor do I kick it heavy

613
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: with appraisers when we're not on air, you know, I mean,

614
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't roll with a ton of appraisers. It's not

615
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: my clique. But it seems like the best thing to

616
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: do would be to transparently publish the rubric or the

617
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: variables that these appraisers use. Some companies may have a specific,

618
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, almost automated method right where you just plug

619
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: in the following values into some equation resulting in X, right,

620
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: and one of those values maybe something about demographic information.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to point out this is not just

622
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: this is um you know, Matt, like you're saying people

623
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: of colors. So this is not just the black population

624
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: of the US, right, this is pretty much the entirety

625
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: of the non white population of the US or non

626
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: white passing. Because this does look like just what Macon

627
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: always sunny would call an ocular assessment. Uh, and this

628
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: has this has real results when you consider that, um,

629
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: that what the twenty eight team Brookings Institutions or Brookings

630
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Institute study which found that that values of houses located

631
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: a majority non white neighborhoods were costing homeowners and average

632
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: of forty eight thousand dollars evaluation How these how how

633
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: based entirely on who lives in the house, no matter

634
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: what their job is. That's the other thing. It's not

635
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: like necessarily their income. It's just what the appraiser thinks

636
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: of their skin color. Uh. This led to um like

637
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: a twenty two dollar decline in house prices on average

638
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: for or black and Latin populations in nineteen eight from

639
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: while the average home value and predominantly you know, quote

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00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: unquote white neighborhoods rose by seventy three dollars. Like it

641
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: can be an unconscious bias by like person by person,

642
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: appraiser by appraiser, but that doesn't make it any less

643
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: real nor any less systemic. This is bad. It's really bad,

644
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: and it it affects It's one piece, but it really

645
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: does affect everything. Because if you if you look at Zillo,

646
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: if anybody's ever looked for a house on Zillo or

647
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: thought about looking at your own home on Zillo, or

648
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, even if you're renting, you've probably checked out.

649
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: It doesn't like checkout Zillo or some other similar you

650
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: know app or and or website that looks at the

651
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: prices of homes because there's so many criteria that go

652
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: into the value of a home. There really are, and

653
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with the schools

654
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: that are districted for that address. Uh, the you know,

655
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: the other things that are available in the area. But

656
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it's kind of just invisible there. It's

657
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: just wow, this is a really expensive area. Oh wow,

658
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: this is a pretty cheap area. Some of it is unquantifiable.

659
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: It just seems weird for sure. But it's like, I mean,

660
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: what's gentrification, Like, you know, gentrification has a connotation to

661
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: it that's that's bad. You know, the idea that you're

662
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: forcing lower income people out because you know, hiring some

663
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: people are like blazing the trail to like improve these

664
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: run down parts of town. There. To me, gentrification asn't

665
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: inherently somewhat potentially racist quality to it at times? Would

666
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: you agree? Or am I overthinking it? Yeah? I think

667
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: we're on board there, uh for sure, for sure, because

668
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: it comes down to tax dollars that go into the

669
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: local government that can then fund all this other stuff

670
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: to make it a nice neighbor to blah blah blah.

671
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is it all of it kind

672
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: of affects the other part, the other things in the society. Right,

673
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: It's where you end up having such inequality in different

674
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: groups of people who live right next to each other. Um,

675
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's awful. I'm I'm not the right person

676
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: to talk about this, Uh, just raising my hand to

677
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: say that, but I would just say it's something that

678
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: is worth keeping your your eye on and being aware of.

679
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: And there are a few things you can do if

680
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: you're ever experiencing anything like this. There are people you

681
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: can reach out to. Uh. There are fair housing advocates

682
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: all over the place. You can find them in your

683
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: state wherever you live. Specifically in California, there's the Fair

684
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: Housing Advocates of Northern California who have been instrumental to

685
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: help to helping a lot of these families get a

686
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: new appraisal of their home and you know, coming to

687
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: terms with the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which

688
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: is really who you had to put a formal complaint

689
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: in with when something like this happens. And there's this

690
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: thing called a reconsideration of value that you can petition

691
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: for and you can you can get a lot of

692
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: times if you think you're you know, you're a victim

693
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: of somebody giving you a massively low appraisal on your home. Uh. Yeah, Anyway,

694
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: there's things you can do, and like I said, reach

695
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: out to Julian Glover if you've got a story, because man,

696
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: they're they're going ham over there at ABC seven just

697
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: writing about this every every month, you know. I I

698
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: think the steps are pretty clear. A good way to

699
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: fight this. I don't know if it will happen. Publish

700
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: all appraisal data from every appraiser, you know, make it searchable, right,

701
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: you should be if you're getting someone to appraise your home,

702
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: you should be able to look at their history of

703
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: how they have appraised houses or any house. And I'm

704
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: sure there's there are numerous reasons why we can't have

705
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: that sort of transparency, but that sort of transparency would arguably,

706
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it would inarguably help these people on a

707
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: local level who are getting swindled for no reason at all,

708
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: no compelling reason. And then, you know, because that kind

709
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: of change only happens when it's more profitable for the

710
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: people in power to make that change. I would say

711
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: right now. If you find yourselves in this situation, as

712
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: my said, reach out to the press. And also while

713
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: you're reaching out, go ahead and reach out to the

714
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, reach out to HUD the Department

715
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: of Housing and Urban Development as well. Uh, they have

716
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: dedicated departments that are supposed to help combat these things.

717
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: It's just they don't have as much visibility as they should,

718
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, especially like when you're buying or selling a home.

719
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: It's it's such a stressful experience, you know, it can

720
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: be really tough. But I also want to commend all

721
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: the all the people who refuse to take this lying down,

722
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: laying down, lying down, all the people who refused to

723
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: take this in a horizontal land or prom position. There

724
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: you go. Just keep in mind there's a story out

725
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: of the ABC seven where one family got an appraisal

726
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: of an extra five hundred thousand dollars worth of value

727
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: in their home after they got it reappraised, and it

728
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: was because they faked having a white family live in

729
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: that home. Rather than them make that appraisal stuff public,

730
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: make it public. It's the only way. There's a Reddit

731
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: thread that jokes about like, uh, there's some there's some

732
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: people and they're joking, Hey, need some white friends to

733
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: pose as you so you can get lots more money

734
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: on your house. Just send me a send me a message,

735
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: I'll show up. I'll work for beer and pizza. Um. Like,

736
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: that's a that would be a really interesting side model while,

737
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, while the whole industry corrects itself. It's tough though,

738
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: because you can only do so many houses before you

739
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: get back agnoice. You will you you just have to

740
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: rotate throughout you know, the United States really just rotate everybody.

741
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just crazy. It's crazy. It's really crazy.

742
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: Speaking of the industry correcting itself, I mean, I think

743
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: a lot of folks are expecting because of such rampant

744
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: unemployment that COVID was going to cause, you know, a

745
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: buyer's market as opposed to the clear seller's market and

746
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: the run on housing. I mean, I guess people weren't

747
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: thinking of this ecological impact of it, where folks that

748
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: did remain gainfully employed and had to work from home

749
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: were like desperate to like, you know, change their surroundings

750
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: or you know, live in a situation that had more

751
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: of a conducive homework environment that didn't like sit in

752
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: their living room table, you know, every day or whatever.

753
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: But because of that run, I've been hearing all these

754
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: horror stories of you know, people literally waiting in line

755
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: overnight to to see you know, open houses. And then

756
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: the worst thing that I heard was that you know,

757
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: someone that I know, um was gonna make an offer

758
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: in the house and there was no way they could

759
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: match the cash offer that the next up, you know,

760
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: kind of most competitive cash offer, and the person said, well,

761
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: if you wave your right to an inspection, you can

762
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: get it for this or like you know, we'll we'll

763
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: accept that offer. And it's like, wow, that just seems

764
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: really crooked to me, like it shouldn't be legal. Seller's

765
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: markets do things that I don't like. So well, we'll

766
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: see how this whole thing plays out right now, but yes,

767
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: please please keep in mind to be aware and tell

768
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: us what you think about this whole thing, and we

769
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: will be right back after a word from our sponsor

770
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: and we have returned. One more note before we go

771
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: into this, um my my segue here for the record,

772
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, is the importance of transparency. You'll see

773
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: what we mean in a moment. But another word, Um,

774
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: something I think often gets confused when people talk about

775
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: the rise in house prices is that it's a it's

776
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: a ripple or knock on effect of the rising cost

777
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: of materials because the world really was on pause for

778
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: a time, which means that the mills were not producing timber,

779
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: which means that concrete productions slowed down. Construction in general

780
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: slowed down. It's gonna take a while to catch up.

781
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: And that that is simply a mathematical reality. But yes,

782
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: transparency for appraisers, that's I think that's the best way

783
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: to try to fix it. But today's final story, it

784
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: is about transparency. Uh. You may have seen, folks that

785
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: about a week ago after today's episode airs sixty minutes

786
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: did something amazing, the mainstreamed the idea of disclosure. If

787
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: you're listening to the show, and if you've listened for

788
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: a number of years, then I have no doubt you

789
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: were very familiar with that. The concept of disclosure simply

790
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: describes the following the idea that some private entity or

791
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: a government or multiple governments has been aware of some

792
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: sort of hidden technology. Sometimes they'll say built by time travelers, extraterrestrials,

793
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: extra dimensional entities, or just technology. The human beings have

794
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: indeed hidden from themselves. People finally admitting what that's about

795
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: and and saying, hey, we you know, we ran into

796
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: aliens in the nine ease. They were chill, but they

797
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: told us to wait till because in certain reason here

798
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: that that kind of public speech is the dream of

799
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: people pine for disclosure. And for a long time, especially

800
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: the last several years, we've been in kind of a

801
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: wait and see. We've always had one shoe left to

802
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: drop on the idea of disclosures. Multiple reports of things

803
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: have been coming out, including the Pentagon secret program to

804
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: monitor what they call Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. I guess because

805
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: UFO was too cool for government documentation, they had to

806
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: make it a little more boring. Uh in you know,

807
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm being rude to them. Really it's because phenomenon means

808
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to be an object smart. We

809
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: interviewed Jeremy Corbell, who is great guy who talked about

810
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: some of this. I think originally we talked with him

811
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: about off world implants back in October. Do check out

812
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: our interview with him and check out his newer documentaries

813
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: as well. Uh. He had some he had some sand

814
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: in the story, and he had he was pretty prescient anyway.

815
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: The sixty Minutes Peace interviews Luisa Alazando, who all the

816
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: upologists and the crowd are familiar with. He had been

817
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: running the a TIP Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, and

818
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: he has been working with Tom DeLong, working with Two

819
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: the Stars Academy and several other places after his government

820
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: career too. I wouldn't say popularize, but to draw attention

821
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: to the fact that Uncle Sam does and has been

822
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: monitoring and tracking stuff it sees in the sky and

823
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: in the oceans or the skies and the seas. If

824
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: we want a little bit more you know, um more

825
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: literation there uh, and no one knows what it is. Officially,

826
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Nobody in Alsando's crew, nobody in the in the any

827
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: branch of the US government seems to really know what's

828
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: going on. Multiple Senators, multiple presidents have asked about it,

829
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: and their answers have always been bub kiss or maybe

830
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: very confidentially. If someone like Harry Reid, you'll get something like, well, Senator,

831
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: if you can give us a few million dollars, we

832
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: can try to figure out what's going on. How about

833
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: twenty two million? Well, official twenty two million official dollars.

834
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: So what you see if you watch this sixty minutes segment,

835
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: which I do highly recommend. Um, did you guys see it?

836
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: You guys watch Ye. I've read the transcript essentially or

837
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: the overview, but I've not watched it yet. Yeah. I

838
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: prefer reading transcripts personally. It's just so much faster than

839
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: television show. But Alasando loosely categorizes the kinds of capabilities

840
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: these things seem to have. They can do six to

841
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: seven G forces, fly thirteen thousand miles an hour of

842
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: aide radar, and then he says they can fly through

843
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: air and water and possibly space. Interesting distinction because they

844
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: haven't documented these things at least during eight tips time

845
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: as traveling through space, just through the atmosphere and another

846
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: big one is no sign of propulsion. So Congress has

847
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: ordered the Pentagon to come clean June one. I think

848
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: it was maybe specifically Marco Rubio, but anyway, the Pentagon's

849
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: on the hook. They've got to come out of there,

850
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, whatever spot they're they're in in the world's

851
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: largest office building, which is still a weird fact that

852
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: trips me up. And then they have to say, here's

853
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: what we have, here's the way things gonna happen. For

854
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: the more I guess weary in the crowd, this is

855
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: just gonna be another jam tomorrow, Jam yesterday, never ever

856
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: jam today's situation because previous disclosures haven't gone super far,

857
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. No one has said we

858
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: think there are extraterrestrials. But now we're at a point

859
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: where people work with the government, you know, as pilots,

860
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: as intelligence agents and so on, are genuinely saying yes,

861
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: something is definitely amiss. Everybody knows about it. We don't

862
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: know what's going on. So I was, I was thinking

863
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: about this, and I wanted to this will this will

864
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: be old news for people with friends with me on Twitter,

865
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: but I wanted to walk you guys through some possibilities

866
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: and get your take. I see four main categories of

867
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: probability here, in no particular order. Number one misidentified mundane phenomena.

868
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: This is the number one explanation for the majority of

869
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: civilian sightings, but it doesn't explain everything because witnesses here

870
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: are trained professionals with onboard tech explicitly designed to identify

871
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: stuff in the sky. Ben, did you just coin that

872
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: term mundane misidentified phenomena or is that like official? That's

873
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: why I think it is. But I mean, m MPs.

874
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: It's about as sexy as uh unidentified aerial phenomenon, you

875
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: know what takes me And I mean it's It's true though,

876
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: like even even the three of us who are familiar

877
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: with this world, uh, we would need to be really

878
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: careful to make sure that we weren't you know, mistaken

879
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: about an optical illusion, right or ball lightning. You know,

880
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this in the show before, and I swear

881
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: to God I'm going to dig it up. But I

882
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: recently located a big bag of DV tapes that I

883
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: used to have. I used to like, you know, have

884
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: the handheld DV camcorder. And I was on a tour

885
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: once and you know, I was shooting out the window

886
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: of cornfields in Nebraska. I saw a thing like it

887
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: was like a hovering kind of like triangular kind of

888
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: like had like pointed uh corners um sort of transparent

889
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: but oft in the distance, and it was very flat

890
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: land and it just seemed to hover there way off

891
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: in the distance for quite a while. And I got

892
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: it on video and I showed her to some people

893
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't know what the hell it was. But

894
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: easily it could have been some kind of optical illusion.

895
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: It was a part of to aim that I wasn't

896
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: used to. Maybe I wasn't used to the way things

897
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: looked on the horizon. I don't know. I'm not dismissing

898
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: it entirely, but I do want to find that tape

899
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: and share it with you guys. But I would love to,

900
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna dig through and I've got I've got

901
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: the power supply for this camera. I just gotta go

902
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: through all these tapes. Um. But yeah, I tend towards

903
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: that explanation. But I know that there's a lot of

904
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: technology and things that you know, it's probably stuff that

905
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: we're developing that that hasn't been you know, hasn't been

906
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: revealed to the public yet, or that that's my I

907
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: mean to me, if it was from another country, it

908
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: would have been you know, shot down. Um, So I

909
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that's I think it's one of those

910
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: possibilities either mundane uh misidentified mundane phenomenon, or just stuff

911
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: that we don't know about yet that we're catching a

912
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: glimpse of because they're testing it I'm gonna go with

913
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: the false flag extraterrestrials. Let me yeah, let me wat

914
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: you guys through the other The other genre is a possibility. Okay,

915
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: So so I it's weird because I had them in

916
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: this order. So number two possibility human made secret tech.

917
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: It is inarguably true, right that governments and some private

918
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: entities have tech the public is not yet aware of.

919
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: Even a lot of navy or airmen aren't aware of. Right, yeah, exactly,

920
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: because this is the world of compartmentalized information a k

921
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: A need to know. So if they're the thing is, yes,

922
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: there is tech like that out there. I have surprisingly

923
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: solid confirmation and corroboration that DARPA have video capable smartphones in,

924
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: which is wild when you think about it. But like,

925
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: so that's that's one thing that's not the same as

926
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: a UFO, right or zero point energy or something like that.

927
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: But the other problem with the idea of human made

928
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: secret tech is that governments run by humans currently for now,

929
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: and humans are in general just terrible at keeping secrets there,

930
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: like worst at it. And this means, you know, this

931
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: means that if you had highly advanced technology the in

932
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: you're a military for instance, which is an assumption. Then

933
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: your the entire reason you keep that stuff secret is

934
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: so that you could use it more effectively. And when

935
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: it starts being witnessed in the field, you enter into

936
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: a shot clock of court of sorts. Right, this time

937
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: starts ticking between the moment a stealth bomber is spotted

938
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: and the moment enemy forces figure out what it is

939
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: and how to shoot it from the sky. So it

940
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really Number two maybe doesn't get us there. My favorite,

941
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: We'll just give this one space because I think all

942
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: of us love it. Non human technology is the most

943
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: general way I can phrase it. It's the crowd favorite

944
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: is the least likely. There's no proof yet. If there

945
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: was any proof, it would be the single most exclusive

946
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: moment in human history. We would all be looking at

947
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: each other and we would say, what a time to

948
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: be a live and no one would be being sarcastic

949
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: about it that day. Right, people would say, we're living

950
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: the dream and this would be the first time in

951
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: history they mean it. That would be amazing. Is also

952
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: a nightmare. Pretty yes, we might not have enough time

953
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: to talk due to like dark forest theory, why would

954
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: something come from far away or from somewhere else, etcetera. Uh,

955
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: there's something else, you know. If no one can explain

956
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: the sightings through these other explanations, then a lot of

957
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: people are going to default to the explanation that it

958
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: must be aliens or extra dimensional beings somehow non terrestrial.

959
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: But still at this point no official proof unless you

960
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: know Bigelow comes forward and says, okay, well, actually show

961
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: you this stuff that we keep claiming. We have the

962
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: fourth one fourth explanation and sadly one of the most

963
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: likely an intentional distract action from ongoing geopolitical, all too

964
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: earthly woes in UM in several decades, it is going

965
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: to suck even more to try to survive in certain

966
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: parts of the world, and if you want to, if

967
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: you world governments are also very good at pulling a

968
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: pay no attention to the man behind the curtain kind

969
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: of vibe this explanation saying that UAP disclosure stuff and

970
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: what's coming up next month is nothing more than a distraction.

971
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: It is not based on proof, it's based primarily on

972
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: historical precedent. And we can't say it's definitely the play. Now,

973
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: we can't say it's a little cynical to assume it.

974
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: But we can't call people who say it's a false

975
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: flag crazy because it's proven. Governments have been happy, more

976
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: than happy to do this in the past, to try

977
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: to what what's the phrase, to try to wag the

978
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: dog kind of situation, you know, Like, it's no secret

979
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: that various world leaders do engage in foreign conflicts as

980
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: a way to shore up their domestic support. It's disgusting. Um,

981
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: it's reprehensible, and if I believed in an afterlife, I

982
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: would wish them the worst for it. But it's a

983
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: strategy that works very well. So that's where I see.

984
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: So when I hear you guys talking about this, I

985
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: hear uh. Noel, I hear you saying number two, maybe

986
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: some suppress but all too human technology. And Matt, I

987
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: hear you saying, maybe a false flag. Number four, Maybe

988
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: it's something, Um, what was that? Maybe it's a blue

989
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: beam of sorts, right, No, dude, I'm saying it's false

990
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: flag to the tenth degree. We're talking actual extraterrestrials pretending

991
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: to be skunk Works advanced materials. No, I'm just joking. Eye, Um,

992
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: we're seeing a false flag by aliens to be other aliens.

993
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: Are faking an alien invasion, or they're they're pretending to

994
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: be advanced skunk Works vehicles that only skunk Works knows about.

995
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: So then skunk Works is suppressing all of this stuff

996
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: and and it's or it's a it's a hazing ritual

997
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: right with Like, Okay, they're getting close to building machines

998
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: that can take them out of the solar system. Time

999
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: for the good old Hazy. I don't know what an

1000
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: alien idea of Hazy. I'm being completely serious now. I'm

1001
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: sorry for all the joking and my dogs every time. No,

1002
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: I think your dog is just a fan of us riffing.

1003
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: If you ever, if you ever hear a barking dog,

1004
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: not not just on this show, but in your life,

1005
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: and you want like a little tiny eco boost, uh,

1006
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: tell yourself that dog is laughing at some joke you

1007
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: made earlier. Oh, perfect, it just took a minute to

1008
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: sink in. I get it. I guess it's a nice

1009
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: little you know, imaginary feather in my delusion cap. Yeah, sure, sure,

1010
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: I was just thinking weirdly about cross species joke landing

1011
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: and there's something there. I'm not sure what it is yet. Um,

1012
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: you can furnish the joke later on your own time. So,

1013
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: but have you guys seen the Triangle UFO video. I don't.

1014
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we mentioned that on this show before.

1015
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: It was a newer one that got be classified. And

1016
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: dang if that one isn't intense, man, that's the one

1017
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: that made me think of the thing that I saw,

1018
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: because it really did look like almost like a like

1019
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: a polygon or something, you know, like it had this

1020
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: like um old school eighties video game kind of like

1021
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: flight simulator vibe too. And I'm gonna stop talking about

1022
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: until I can put my money where my mouth is

1023
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: and generate this tape for you guys. But that is

1024
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: the memory that I have when I saw that video

1025
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about that, it immediately made me think of

1026
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: that thing that I saw. Dude, it's a higher dimension.

1027
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: It's like a hypercube, guys. That's what we don't realize.

1028
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 1: It's a hypercube. No, we're going to timecube space. So

1029
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the thing that's interesting too, because

1030
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, no I get from when you've described this

1031
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: in the past, I feel like this definitely looked like

1032
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: a physical object to you, not not simply a light right.

1033
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: You could see the shape and then yeah, so so

1034
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: that's what this this video looks like to you know,

1035
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: when we were looking at some of these initial reports,

1036
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: we spent some time dissecting or parsing to the best

1037
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: of our abilities objects that came from cockpit imagery, right,

1038
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: And some of them looked like high altitude detection devices,

1039
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: but they were missing the part of the balloon set

1040
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: up that actually detects stuff, you know what I mean.

1041
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: It didn't have didn't have all the sensory junk hanging

1042
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: on the bottom, and we couldn't tell how whether or

1043
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: not it was moving and how based on based on

1044
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: the short clips. So I mean, I don't know. Honestly,

1045
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm stumped. I tried to approach it with a very

1046
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: rational mindset, and none of those four big genres of

1047
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: explanation that landed on with the information we have at

1048
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: this time explain what on Earth is happening? What off

1049
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: Earth is happening? Uh? And and again the interesting thing

1050
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: is that nobody is saying they see these things in

1051
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: space yet pending that next report, all of these government

1052
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: officials are saying they're seeing things in the atmosphere and

1053
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: the oceans, and it is true that the U. S.

1054
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: Military is experimenting with submersible drones, but these things don't

1055
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: The way these things move if the expert reports are correct,

1056
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: and they are accidentally, you know, confusing something mundane for

1057
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: something extraordinary, the way these things move should be impossible

1058
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: under what we understand about current propulsion systems. And if

1059
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: it is human made, somebody did somehow keep a secret,

1060
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: and uh, the government doesn't know about it. As our

1061
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: friend Matt scientists Pod brought up earlier online that says

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Speaker 1: some really terrifying things about military readiness. That awe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chris coxwell, that is a that is a gap that

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Speaker 1: cannot be crossed. Yeah, but dude, you know you've seen

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Speaker 1: those little videos of NASA from the old Shuttle missions.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I've seen some weird stuff up there, man.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That is true. And astronauts do reports seeing

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Speaker 1: unexplained things, or they don't repeat. They don't report anything

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Speaker 1: because they can't they're not allowed to. Man. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: first thing that happens, the first thing that happens on

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Speaker 1: right as you descend back to Earth is a video

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Speaker 1: starts playing unidentified man in a black suit and sunglasses

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Speaker 1: has pictures of your family, and he says it would

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Speaker 1: be great to see them again. And all you have

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Speaker 1: to do is not see some other stuff, right, and

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Speaker 1: then verbally consent, you know, just like sitting by the

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Speaker 1: emergency plane exit, you have to give a verbal yes

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Speaker 1: they are down for it, um because otherwise, you know,

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Speaker 1: reentry is tough. A lot of things don't make it.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. I don't think people get

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Speaker 1: the last minute mafia hard sell, right, is they're returning

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Speaker 1: to Earth, that's surely somebody would have said something about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I also, um, sorry, I'm being somewhat joking about NASA,

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Speaker 1: but there is questionable footage that is a bit weird

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Speaker 1: that we looked at a while ago. Doesn't mean NASA

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Speaker 1: is hiding anything necessarily, but it is a little weird.

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Speaker 1: So what would they That's the thing, there's something there,

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Speaker 1: appears to be something there. Will learn more. I think

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Speaker 1: that one of the best things we can reasonably hope

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Speaker 1: for is data from sensory components, right that are on board,

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Speaker 1: from sensory components, uh so, like confirmation of infrared, which

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Speaker 1: is already out there. A couple of other bells and

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Speaker 1: whistles that might corroborate what people are seeing with their eyeballs.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, you know, I have a hard time figuring

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Speaker 1: out what would be released, you know, specifically, is it

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Speaker 1: just gonna be a mystery? And if there is, if

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Speaker 1: there are really objects unidentified in the sky, and they

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Speaker 1: appear to be moving in intelligent ways or as though

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Speaker 1: they are directed by an intelligent operator, then what are

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Speaker 1: they doing up there? You know what I mean? They

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Speaker 1: don't seem to be aggressive. If anything, it seems like reconnaissance, honestly,

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Speaker 1: reconnaissance or test flights. But why to what end? Let

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Speaker 1: us know what you think, folks. I know went a

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Speaker 1: little long, but I believe this is important and I

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Speaker 1: know it is of utmost interest to a lot of

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Speaker 1: our fellow listeners in the audience today. They do appear

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Speaker 1: to be monitoring military operation, yes, and there were there

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Speaker 1: were stories of increased up activity during the global nuclear

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Speaker 1: build up of the Cold War. There were also reports

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Speaker 1: that some of these, uh, some of these appearances were

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Speaker 1: correlating with this is just a rumor. I don't have confirmation,

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Speaker 1: but they were correlating with failure of some of those

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. I'd love to see, dude, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: see if anyone is keeping track of the skies right

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Speaker 1: around is Real and Palestine right now, just there's there's

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Speaker 1: so much you feel like a lot of people are well,

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Speaker 1: there's so much hot combat occurring. I wonder if anyone

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Speaker 1: is monitoring specifically for that, monitoring the skies for anything

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Speaker 1: strange right now. Um. Yeah, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: Let us know if you're aware of that. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: if you're aware of anything that can be released, because

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Speaker 1: I'm certain there are a lot of eyes on there

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Speaker 1: at state level and private entity. But will that information

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Speaker 1: be shared? It's tough, you know, Um, So let us

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Speaker 1: know when you think about that. Uh. I would love

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Speaker 1: to hear what people's superhero names would be. You know,

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Speaker 1: don't give us your real one. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: really good one. Uh. And then also, uh, let us

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Speaker 1: us as individual people. I'm on Instagram at how now

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown. If you want to look ahead at some

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Speaker 1: of this stuff I'm working on or thinking about, you

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Speaker 1: That's a very long user only after changing it to

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Speaker 1: C seven. Got it? And what about by telephone if

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