Speaker 1: Please help me understand what they're trying to say here.
Speaker 1: This research indicates that gen Z and millennials plan to
Speaker 1: celebrate celebrate Halloween by dressing up and planning for the
Speaker 1: holiday about six point eight weeks beforehand. Well, six point
Speaker 1: eight weeks from Memorial Day is the fourth of July,
Speaker 1: so you still have plenty of time to latch onto
Speaker 1: a pop culture trend and turn it into a creative costume.
Speaker 1: Are they saying that we're dressing you.
Speaker 2: Know, you're going to be giving the equivalent of congressional
Speaker 2: testimony about a food. Ai Honk and Eminem's article.
Speaker 1: Have any of you heard of a person who who
Speaker 1: dresses up in six point eight weeks beforehand?
Speaker 3: Well, we do like to dress up in New Orleans,
Speaker 3: So people are planning their Marti Gras costumes for next year.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: That is so much more like relevant though than like Halloween.
Speaker 1: I feel like to the region, you know which, I
Speaker 1: totally get that this.
Speaker 2: They just had a product launch, they needed a product launch.
Speaker 2: They came up with this and then backed into the thing,
Speaker 2: yeah with.
Speaker 1: Some yeah, yeah, alright, Well I'm glad.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Miles, we've like I've almost lost miles to this
Speaker 2: press release. He's like not, I don't think he's coming back.
Speaker 2: You guys, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three
Speaker 2: forty one, Episode two of Daly's I Guys production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: This is a podcast where we take a deep dab
Speaker 2: into America share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, June fourth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Six times four equals twenty four little
Speaker 2: back of the let me just say brilliant.
Speaker 1: And you know we had a savant on our hands.
Speaker 2: Well I didn't even pronounce math correctly. That's what a
Speaker 2: math savona I am?
Speaker 1: What did you call it?
Speaker 2: I caught a back of the envelope map.
Speaker 3: Oh it's still impressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well guess what June fourth, it's National
Speaker 1: Hug your Cat Day. I will definitely hug both of
Speaker 1: my cats. It's also National Cheese Day, National Konyak Day,
Speaker 1: and also a National Old Maid's Day. Feels I'm wondering
Speaker 1: how regressive this is. Oh, it's just about recognize ladies
Speaker 1: out there who never marry and remain childless. This is
Speaker 1: who put regressive. Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow is gonna be National gap Day with those two
Speaker 2: food ones. Yeah, apparently in nineteen forty eight, Marion Richards
Speaker 2: of Jefferson Jeffersonville, Pennsylvania held the first Old Maid's Day gathering. Okay, wow,
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 3: She's celebrating, no owning it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We're amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay it is well for you, got your holidays,
Speaker 1: enjoy where appropriate going.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka lift
Speaker 2: nodes more like lymph Yes, uh, that is courtesy the
Speaker 2: Andrew bubb in reference to the fact that I was
Speaker 2: admiring Miles's plumped up Yeah, exactly, fighting infection. Those things
Speaker 2: were popping, fighting, fighting a cold. I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 2: joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Grast.
Speaker 2: Miles Gray.
Speaker 1: Guess what these lyph nodes are popping? Aka? I have
Speaker 1: some nasty noes, nasty. I have some nasty nose, nasty.
Speaker 1: I have some nasty nose nasty. Shout out to nache
Speaker 1: Wow track Song of the Summer nasty Uh, shout out
Speaker 1: the best shout nest.
Speaker 2: Quake on.
Speaker 1: Miss Quike. Yeah right, shout out everybody down there in
Speaker 1: os uh for that one. Shout up to the Tanase track.
Speaker 1: What they were saying, Jack needs to be in the background,
Speaker 1: like whining like in all the meme videos. Have you
Speaker 1: seen that video? No, Jack, I gotta send it to you. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: if I could, if you hit some of these days,
Speaker 1: allow my assignment. Okay, m First, I'll send you the
Speaker 1: requisite material to study the choreography, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: back and we'll see if we can put something worth it.
Speaker 2: Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 2: third seat by the host of the fascinating podcast Sea Change,
Speaker 2: which is produced by New Orleans and Batmanos Public Radio.
Speaker 2: Please welcome to the show, Carlisle Calhoun and Hallie Parker.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome you, thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, it's nice to have people who are
Speaker 1: doing really good investigative podcasting, unlike us who are subjecting
Speaker 1: you guys to trying to figure out a food and wine.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, two peers in the world
Speaker 2: of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting. It's it's great
Speaker 2: to be in the same room with some people who
Speaker 2: I can just let my hair down and be like,
Speaker 2: I'm with my people. We both get you know, we
Speaker 2: both we both get it and are breaking new ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm loving it in the space that you all
Speaker 3: are providing here. So thank you. Well, I'm already thoroughly entertained.
Speaker 1: Oh thank You're too kind, You're too kind. I don't
Speaker 1: know if our names will ever be listed or mentioned
Speaker 1: by anything with the word pullets are in front of it.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 2: We are definitively associated with anything to do with the pulletzers.
Speaker 2: They were like, we just wanted They issued a statement
Speaker 2: just making sure that everybody with just for no purpose, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just to just to be clear. We have nothing to
Speaker 2: do with that show.
Speaker 5: F y.
Speaker 2: I nobody suggested we did, but we.
Speaker 1: Just want to get we'll get ahead of it, get
Speaker 1: ahead of any misunderstandings for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2: You guys are both in New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we're both based in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: How is New Orleans right now? This time? Here? Steamy
Speaker 2: so put in a charming way, Yeah, drenched in history.
Speaker 1: That grown from holly kind of I said a lot
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 4: It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning
Speaker 4: all day. You get to see the sun outside. You
Speaker 4: want to touch it, but you know you'll get burned.
Speaker 3: It's it's like the inverse of everywhere else, Like the
Speaker 3: rest of the year. Everybody like looks at our zoom
Speaker 3: backgrounds and they're like, where are you God, that looks amazing, Oh,
Speaker 3: New Orleans in this summertime, it's just us being like
Speaker 3: everybody else is like yay summer, and.
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, just the deafening sound of insects, like
Speaker 2: drowning in heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the muggy or the place. I feel like,
Speaker 1: the less enthusiasm from people who have to go through
Speaker 1: it every year. They're like, Na, that's fine. I mean
Speaker 1: I have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with
Speaker 1: me just to go outside for ten minutes exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that. I know that.
Speaker 2: Plate air conditioning huh what a what an innovation.
Speaker 4: To get the one in my car? Fick, it's been
Speaker 4: a year, guys. Oh, it's crazy being a newars.
Speaker 3: That is not okay. That is not okay.
Speaker 2: So are you just like driving eighty down in a
Speaker 2: thirty five just to get the wind airflow, to.
Speaker 4: Feel a breeze and also feel some life. Yeah, you just.
Speaker 2: Feel a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I had I had an all black car that
Speaker 1: did not have air conditioning in the dry desert heat
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, and when I was in that phase
Speaker 1: in the summer, I had no joke. I would have
Speaker 1: a driving shirt I would wear because like, when I
Speaker 1: get to my destination, I cannot look respectable stepping out
Speaker 1: of the vehicle like this that I had. I had
Speaker 1: him on deck.
Speaker 4: But that's actually genius. I mean, ideally I'll get my
Speaker 4: act together and just get my but it's not. I
Speaker 4: can make sure an outfit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great innovation.
Speaker 1: The way my problem solving works is especially at that time,
Speaker 1: like is it gonna cost money? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what's the other thing I can do?
Speaker 2: You know? Money? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Under shirts?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Oh man, the stay that would have grown
Speaker 2: out of that thing.
Speaker 1: Podcast about another existential threat to humanity scientifically.
Speaker 2: Right, All right, Well, we're going to get to know
Speaker 2: you guys a little bit better and talk about sea change.
Speaker 2: But first we do like to get to know our
Speaker 2: guests a little bit better by asking them what is
Speaker 2: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Hallie,
Speaker 2: do you want to start us off?
Speaker 4: Oh man, I was taking a look at my search
Speaker 4: history this morning, and all it reveals is that I
Speaker 4: work way too much.
Speaker 1: So what shows up? What are the terms that give.
Speaker 4: Us that I was looking up. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you guys know LSU, right, yeah, familiar. So we're actually
Speaker 4: working on a piece about LSU right now. We're looking
Speaker 4: into some history, some archivists. So that was what my
Speaker 4: search history was all about.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Man Halle, we're such nerds. I have something fun to share.
Speaker 3: I am looking at my search history shows Well, we're
Speaker 3: my husband and AMERICAN'SONRNY buying a house in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: So I've been looking at flood maps. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 3: show the elevation across the city. And also because I'm
Speaker 3: working on an insurance episode, so I'm looking at the
Speaker 3: elevation maps of all of southern Louisiana, which are not
Speaker 3: very high. You don't see very big numbers of elevation
Speaker 3: across southern Louisiana. So that is that is what my
Speaker 3: my search history is, just a bunch of flood maps.
Speaker 1: Right. Is there like a section where the wealthy have
Speaker 1: identified as their bastion of safety, like how they have
Speaker 1: in Miami And they're like, well, look, was it like
Speaker 1: Liberty City.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the housing complex from Moonlight is
Speaker 2: like one of the higher grounds in Miami, and things
Speaker 2: have changed in terms of who's investing there and how
Speaker 2: people are treating that property.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean totally that the high ground, like the
Speaker 3: highest ground is by the levees, so there are like
Speaker 3: the wealthier neighborhoods are generally like the higher ground. Wow,
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: There was even like after a Hurricane Katrina, there was
Speaker 3: this program called the green Dot program, and it was
Speaker 3: like areas where there had been really intense flooding. Whoever
Speaker 3: was making plans for post Katrina put like a green
Speaker 3: dot over it, and it was supposed to kind of
Speaker 3: be like nobody could rebuild there because it was below
Speaker 3: sea level. But then you know, people fought back like, hey,
Speaker 3: you can't tell me I can't live where I'm from,
Speaker 3: And so that didn't didn't happen. But it's it is
Speaker 3: wild how much elevation is now like changing where people
Speaker 3: are living.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Wow, that's wild. You've already rubb in their
Speaker 1: midst for that. That's the wild part too. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously we're going to be talking about climate and things
Speaker 1: like that, but people have the like logical intellectual understanding
Speaker 1: that it's like, well, where I am is not going
Speaker 1: to be good, so therefore I should go here where
Speaker 1: I know it will be good. Now willing to divest
Speaker 1: from this kind of thinking or you know, investing.
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, no. And also just affordability plays into
Speaker 2: it because I think that, you know, people are doing
Speaker 2: their research and so it's going to be more competitive
Speaker 2: to be in the places that aren't underground or you know,
Speaker 2: right next to like a bunch of tinder in the
Speaker 2: case of California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but are.
Speaker 3: Those good places going to get so expensive.
Speaker 2: That yeah exactly, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and then just being
Speaker 2: next to one of the bad places might have you
Speaker 2: disqualified from being insured. As you know, there's entire zip
Speaker 2: codes that are basically getting decued, which is difficult. So
Speaker 2: is the LSU story related to climate change?
Speaker 1: Is it is?
Speaker 2: Okay, we won't we won't try and scoop it. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I know LSU from sport from Shack and
Speaker 2: Jill essentially an angel Rey. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yes.
Speaker 4: The normal things people associate l SU with. We're looking
Speaker 4: more at the environmentally.
Speaker 7: Oh we like that, yeah, investigation state, yes, interesting, see Jack,
Speaker 7: we got to do stuff like you didn't put on
Speaker 7: notice shack.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Pulitzer Center will help us
Speaker 1: with the podcast?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just connecting. I'm saying here a little
Speaker 2: bit this food and wine article, I don't know how
Speaker 2: to comprehend the data and what is being said there.
Speaker 1: I think a Pulitzer Center dot org holler at us too.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You're asking question.
Speaker 3: Y'all are connecting though, y'all are connecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Is something you guys think is underrated?
Speaker 3: Well I'll since hell he had to go first on
Speaker 3: the other one, I'll go first.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was I had like a serious answer and less
Speaker 3: serious answer. So I was going to say, my serious
Speaker 3: answer is journalism, because we all know people are losing
Speaker 3: their jobs left and right, and the business that democracy
Speaker 3: depends on is struggling. But I'll go with the less
Speaker 3: serious answer and say, you know, when you get your
Speaker 3: haircut and they give you like the head massage while
Speaker 3: they're washing your hair, and it's like, that's really why
Speaker 3: I'm there. Sure I need a haircut, but like I'm
Speaker 3: really there for that head massage, and I want to
Speaker 3: know beforehand is the person. Is a hairstyle, is a
Speaker 3: good head massage? Are they going to like just go
Speaker 3: too short? Are they going to give me the temple rub?
Speaker 3: And they're like, I want to know, And I think
Speaker 3: that should be I think it's underrated. I think it
Speaker 3: should be discussed more.
Speaker 2: I have stayed with hairstylists based on an initial head
Speaker 2: rub that never came again, like just based on I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: but you know they know what they're doing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: wasted all you, I've got you, You're hooked. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I have never heard of journalism, so I don't know
Speaker 2: what that one's about.
Speaker 1: But this one, the haircut thing, how you Floyd's barber shop.
Speaker 1: They were a little mechanized glove. I remember back when
Speaker 1: I had hair to get cut there. I remember like
Speaker 1: there was like a massage power glove sometimes the hairstylists
Speaker 1: would wear. But to your point, Jack, there was this
Speaker 1: Japanese dude named Peter. I would go to the way.
Speaker 1: He would get my shoulders like I had never had.
Speaker 1: I had never been touched like this with such instant
Speaker 1: relief in my life that I was like, is can
Speaker 1: I just pay for that part? Because I don't care
Speaker 1: about the hair, get.
Speaker 3: The shoulders in and had this.
Speaker 1: Like technique where he would have his hands like this,
Speaker 1: like with his fingers separated and then like chopped down
Speaker 1: so you get this like clack clock cluck cluck.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I'm with that, And hairstylists, y'all should be
Speaker 1: charging extra for that because guess what we'll pay for it,
Speaker 1: those of us with hair Yeah, yeah, true.
Speaker 3: They had like an extra if you could like click
Speaker 3: the like ten to twenty minute, like do you want
Speaker 3: to pay.
Speaker 1: More for like yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's just skip the haircut. Like do people ever go?
Speaker 1: Do people indulge themselves and just go get their hair
Speaker 1: washed and then leave?
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like my grandmother did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was kind of a common thing.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we're all like people who run
Speaker 2: cuddle parties will tell you that we're all like touchstars
Speaker 2: in our modern world where we like don't really see
Speaker 2: each other that often in person, that like there is
Speaker 2: a market for just like going and you know, making
Speaker 2: physical contact with another human being. So and I definitely
Speaker 2: feel that when I'm getting a haircut. Oh right, God, this.
Speaker 1: Is like I love you, They're like, what the sides?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, hally, how about you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like this is starting to
Speaker 4: get more respect, But I really feel like more adults
Speaker 4: without children should have kiddie pools, so.
Speaker 1: Like a little inflatable one.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, a little inflatable one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was speaking about that recently, Hallie. Maybe this is
Speaker 3: a new orleance thing. But I saw like a photograph
Speaker 3: somewhere of adults and a kitty pool, and I was like,
Speaker 3: speaking of like the cheap the cheap fix. Well, I
Speaker 3: can't put a pool in right, Yeah, I can go
Speaker 3: to Walmart.
Speaker 4: And get.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: No, I'm about to adopt a little pit bull and
Speaker 4: I'm so excited to get a kittie pool and just
Speaker 4: swim around in there with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of like a red nose, a blue
Speaker 1: nolt kind of pit mix mix? Okay, everything's a pit
Speaker 1: I feel like, is that is that how it is
Speaker 1: in like Louisiana too, Like so many Southern California dogs
Speaker 1: are just by default pit mixes, basically.
Speaker 4: I don't know, that's a good question. There's definitely a
Speaker 4: few at are at the rescue shell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, positive, Yeah, there's a lot of rescue pits around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree the brain ending that comes with
Speaker 2: those pools, like labeling them kiddie pools, like they could
Speaker 2: just as easily be foot soaken pools. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a body cooler.
Speaker 4: We need to change the narrative about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think body cooler off the body, yeah,
Speaker 2: body Maybe the little too serial killer ish to be like.
Speaker 1: Hey, you guys, got.
Speaker 2: What you mean? Freezer in my garage? That's what I meant,
Speaker 2: like a like a corygated steel, like just forget the
Speaker 2: thing I said.
Speaker 4: Hopefully that would have camped in the focus groups, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: As a kid, I always wanted I wanted an El
Speaker 3: Camino so bad because I thought that the back of
Speaker 3: El Caminos was a pool that like I saw people
Speaker 3: sitting in the back of them, and I'm like, in
Speaker 3: my kid brain, I'm like, I would put a pool
Speaker 3: back there. I bet there's pools in the back of Caino.
Speaker 2: Somebody has to have done that, right, Yeah, people do
Speaker 2: that in pickup trucks too.
Speaker 1: I've seen that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just.
Speaker 3: I feel like I saw that on Shark Tank maybe
Speaker 3: and I was like, see, yeah, that's an idea.
Speaker 2: As a pool rolls in it rolls in sharks, and
Speaker 2: he's like in a pool. In the back of.
Speaker 1: This is seventy three El Camino, and it's also a pool.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a five hundred thousand dollars investment for
Speaker 1: ten percent equity in the company I'm in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I am not a shark. Yeah,
Speaker 2: among many other reasons. What is something hally that you
Speaker 2: think is overrated?
Speaker 4: You know, weirdly, even though I'm advocating for adult pitty pools,
Speaker 4: Like we were just talking about summer's overrated to me
Speaker 4: right now, don't need it? Just give us spring New
Speaker 4: Orleans all year round?
Speaker 1: Is that the best time of year?
Speaker 4: I'd say, so, yeah, what do you think, Carly?
Speaker 3: Anytime, but summer is the best time. But spring, like festivals,
Speaker 3: it's fun, falls, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was in the.
Speaker 3: Time of summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was really nice, really nice. And
Speaker 1: I kind of did that thing where just by chance,
Speaker 1: like I was walking through like the French Quarter and
Speaker 1: there was like one of those ghosts tour. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many like tours like these are all the
Speaker 1: ghosts of the French Quart or whatever, and like inadvertently
Speaker 1: we were walking the same path, like we're kind of
Speaker 1: taking the same walk, so, you know, past I didn't
Speaker 1: want to feel like I was getting free information, but
Speaker 1: every time I turned around, the group was there, and
Speaker 1: I had to be like, well, hold on, what's what
Speaker 1: happened here?
Speaker 4: I've always wondered how easy it would be to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tour is good enough like that, that's that's
Speaker 2: an occupational hazard. You're gonna be pulling people in like flame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that the best tour to take? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like that is one of the most I feel
Speaker 1: like so many tourists go there like you gotta see
Speaker 1: like all the spooky shit New Orleans, Like that's really
Speaker 1: what it's about. I'm like, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of other stuff happening too, but yeah, go ahead, it's
Speaker 1: so spooky. Maybe I was there in the fall too,
Speaker 1: so it was that six point eight week going on
Speaker 1: with the Halloween.
Speaker 3: Halloween come and start coming back. There is a lot
Speaker 3: of spooky stuff, but I would I would say that
Speaker 3: there's there is more to New Orleans than the spooky ghosts,
Speaker 3: but like it's a good tour, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Especially when you think about where the spookiness comes from
Speaker 4: like it's all like tortured slaves and it's like, oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I guess want still drink kind of coming
Speaker 6: back to it was like, oh, like so okay, you
Speaker 6: know what, I'm going to go to Preservation Hall because
Speaker 6: that's more of my father there.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm with you there, I'm with you, Carl.
Speaker 2: What about you? What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make so many enemies here, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to say brunch brunch to me is overrated because
Speaker 3: I'm hungry when I wake up and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: gotta go to brunch. I can't eat now, I won't
Speaker 3: be hungry for brunch. Then if I managed to make
Speaker 3: it till brunch, brunch is great, all good, then I'm hungry,
Speaker 3: like middle afternoon? What am I doing? Then it's like
Speaker 3: Lenner like all of a sudden, my old days, like yeah, between.
Speaker 2: Meals, two meal day, what's going on? Yes?
Speaker 3: And I'm not good with that. I was like feel
Speaker 3: like I was promised three meals, you know, and so
Speaker 3: now I'm getting two. And then restaurants charge more because
Speaker 3: they're like it's brunch, and I'm like you're doing. It's
Speaker 3: the same thing I got yesterday.
Speaker 1: No, these scrambled eggs are fourteen dollars.
Speaker 3: If you want to if you want to, say, like
Speaker 3: let's go out and like drink while we're eating, Like
Speaker 3: I'm down with that, just like you know, you.
Speaker 2: Want to have a scott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just scumbag break breakfast at Denny's. We're gonna
Speaker 1: drink some Soco in the parking lot and then you'll
Speaker 1: have a Moon's over my Hammi at Denny's.
Speaker 2: And then it's still expensive. We put a unch in
Speaker 2: there instead of eckfast, So yeah, you gotta pay us.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, sorry brunch people.
Speaker 2: No, but it is true. It is that that. It's
Speaker 2: that psychological.
Speaker 1: It's that transitional space where you wake up and you're like,
Speaker 1: I need eat breakfast, and then you're like, but I
Speaker 1: also have to go to an overpriced brunch in like
Speaker 1: two hours or something. So what do What am I
Speaker 1: to do? Because I'm not gonna yeah, yeah, well you
Speaker 1: know what to do? Yeah, I guess I'll just guess
Speaker 1: I'll just nibble on one piece of plane toast, no butter,
Speaker 1: eating my eating the heel of the loaf.
Speaker 2: Just yet, all right, well, we're going to take a
Speaker 2: quick break and then we're going to come back and
Speaker 2: we are going to talk about sea change.
Speaker 8: We will be right back and we are back. We
Speaker 8: are back, and we are back.
Speaker 1: We are and we're back.
Speaker 2: Hallie, Carlisle, Carlisle or Carly, what do you prefer?
Speaker 3: Well on on sea change? I'm Carlisle, but my friends
Speaker 3: call me Carly, So please car Carly's great.
Speaker 1: Are we are? We are we familiar? Oh?
Speaker 3: We we're on Carly terms all right.
Speaker 4: Carly.
Speaker 2: Familias. I like that you broke it and like New
Speaker 2: Orleans prenology amazing. So your show is based out in
Speaker 2: New Orleans, and I've heard you as mentioned that like
Speaker 2: living on a coast, and particularly the coast of Louisiana
Speaker 2: is kind of the front lines of global heating. And
Speaker 2: so I just wanted to he guys talk about kind
Speaker 2: of what you see there that we might not be
Speaker 2: seeing elsewhere right now, but might be a preview of
Speaker 2: like where we're headed.
Speaker 4: Oh, such a great question. I mean, when I was
Speaker 4: thinking about this, what really stuck out in my mind.
Speaker 4: I was here twenty twenty one Hurricane Ida came through,
Speaker 4: and that was a storm that strengthened really fast, rapidly
Speaker 4: intensified as we say, and then after it blew through,
Speaker 4: it wasn't really like a rainstorm. It was more of
Speaker 4: like a windstorm. It caused kind of damage, especially closer
Speaker 4: to the coast.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 4: I think we're out and out of power near the
Speaker 4: coast for over three months for some people that were
Speaker 4: really far down there. Yeah, it was crazy. But then
Speaker 4: not only that we got by a hurricane, but then
Speaker 4: immediately after that hurricane goes through, we then get hit
Speaker 4: by a giant heat wave, and so people don't have power.
Speaker 4: It's I didn't have power for a week, and I
Speaker 4: couldn't sleep because there was just this extreme heat going on.
Speaker 4: And so for me, that's like the picture of what
Speaker 4: climate change means and what we're facing. It's one hazard
Speaker 4: after the other, you know, having to deal with all
Speaker 4: of these different problems all at once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that's just to just to keep
Speaker 3: like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going
Speaker 3: that the other thing.
Speaker 4: Is a worst case scenario.
Speaker 3: Yet, I mean, seas are rising across the South and
Speaker 3: across the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 3: So already, so many people are having to move from
Speaker 3: from where their families are, from where they live in
Speaker 3: South Louisiana, and like across the southeast coast, you're starting
Speaker 3: to see that too, with like more sunny day flooding
Speaker 3: and just like the seas are rising, and it means
Speaker 3: houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling
Speaker 3: into the ocean, and it means that people have who
Speaker 3: have lived for generations in Southern Louisiana are having to
Speaker 3: think or already having to move. And it's pretty intense.
Speaker 3: And that is like that is around the world. Seas
Speaker 3: are rising, So it is definitely something that's going to
Speaker 3: change like what our coastlines look like and where people
Speaker 3: can live, I think, pretty like faster than we're planning for.
Speaker 2: For sure, right yeah, right, It's one of those things
Speaker 2: that is already happening. But we it feels like the
Speaker 2: mainstream kind of consciousness, like that's kind of what we
Speaker 2: chart on our show, And it feels like people have
Speaker 2: a fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to
Speaker 2: other people as long as it's not happening to them
Speaker 2: or possibly like to their neighbor, than.
Speaker 1: They're such a shame. What's happening there. Yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: sort of the level of Earth. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm really I mean I think about just the what
Speaker 1: the NOAA was saying about this season's hurricane season and
Speaker 1: how they're like, this could be one of the worst
Speaker 1: ones we've seen in a long time in terms of
Speaker 1: like the some like potentially twenty eight named storm systems
Speaker 1: in this season and that's a huge uptick. And the
Speaker 1: other part that was really to your point about these
Speaker 1: sort of like compounding natural disaster events, is like FEMA
Speaker 1: and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much
Speaker 1: that if you have like storm after storm and then
Speaker 1: God forbid another thing over in this part, supply chains
Speaker 1: get strained, and we truly are looking at a thing
Speaker 1: where like they'll be like, there's there's literally so much
Speaker 1: going on, we can actually not really do anything right now.
Speaker 1: We're spread so thin. And I think that's another real
Speaker 1: dimension of like sort of like the bureaucratic part of
Speaker 1: it too, that you I think people always presume they're like, no,
Speaker 1: they're there, they'll be okay, they'll be ready for this,
Speaker 1: where even for the experts who deal with this or
Speaker 1: saying this, like we're trying to figure out how we
Speaker 1: can even like simulate how we wrap our heads around
Speaker 1: multiple storms hitting multiple places with you know, the kinds
Speaker 1: of devastation that require our assistance. And yeah, it is
Speaker 1: definitely we are going to begin really seeing it in
Speaker 1: a way that we're going to be even harder to deny.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think people who live in these areas
Speaker 1: already see it, but yeah, we're definitely the messages are
Speaker 1: there that we need to do something about it, which
Speaker 1: is why liquid natural gas kind of comes into it.
Speaker 1: And the whole impetus for this is to talk about
Speaker 1: the expansion of liquid natural gas or I guess we
Speaker 1: shouldn't even that's like eupham, that's like a euphemistic term.
Speaker 2: I mean it's natural. So I feel like we're good here,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, natural right. I do like worked on me,
Speaker 2: like when they first were like, well, guys, we're like
Speaker 2: moving over to natural gas, and oh that shit is natural.
Speaker 3: That's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see it on our buses and like
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Y're like, oh, all, like either it's CNG
Speaker 1: or LNG and you're like, don't worry, this is this
Speaker 1: is cleaner now because it's operating that and you have
Speaker 1: these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort
Speaker 1: of like non threatening nature of this of natural gas.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what what is it? What should we be
Speaker 1: first of all, what should we be calling it so
Speaker 1: we can use the right terminology when we sort of
Speaker 1: think about when we get all these stories hitting us,
Speaker 1: like what should we be calling like liquid natural gas
Speaker 1: if you want to honor what it actually is.
Speaker 3: It's something Hallie and I talked about a lot as
Speaker 3: we were writing this series, because everybody knows it is
Speaker 3: natural gas. So like us all of a sudden just
Speaker 3: using another term, people be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I'm already first of all, you're already trying to tell
Speaker 3: me about liquified natural gas. Now you're now you're talking
Speaker 3: about some other term I've never heard about, right, So,
Speaker 3: I mean, we did call it natural gas in our
Speaker 3: in our series because that's what we all know it as.
Speaker 3: But I mean a lot of experts are saying we
Speaker 3: should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because
Speaker 3: we get it from fracking, which explains yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Fraggy juice.
Speaker 3: But it's mostly it's mostly methane. Natural gas is mostly
Speaker 3: made up of methane, which is like, in the short term,
Speaker 3: way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide. So we've
Speaker 3: all been like talking about, you know, carbon emissions in
Speaker 3: this kind of thing, which is like really a serious issue,
Speaker 3: we should be concerned about that, But methane in the
Speaker 3: short term, it's like I had a scientist described it
Speaker 3: to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the
Speaker 3: world in a blanket. Methane is like wrapping the world
Speaker 3: in eighty blankets. Like it's eighty times more potent at
Speaker 3: heating up our climate in the near term.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: So when at least it's bad.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought it was good, like eighty percent,
Speaker 2: Like if you had told me, guys, it's only eighty
Speaker 2: percent is bad, I would have been like, damn, like
Speaker 2: they lied to us. But eighty times worse is yeah,
Speaker 2: so wild that I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: What are sort of the benefits that have Like when
Speaker 1: you see a municipality be like we're going to change
Speaker 1: our entire bus suite to LNG or whatever, what what
Speaker 1: for them? When they're like it's better, what's like the
Speaker 1: very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to to
Speaker 1: be able to say that out loud in public and
Speaker 1: not get laughed at.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, like very simply, methane does burn cleaner than
Speaker 4: like regular gas clean or something like that. But that's
Speaker 4: only when it's burnt, like when it's actually being burnt
Speaker 4: by those buses, that it is cleaner. But the whole
Speaker 4: life cycle, you know, happen to get it up out
Speaker 4: of the ground, all of the gas that goes out,
Speaker 4: transporting it, all of those different pieces. Yeah, you add
Speaker 4: that all up, and it's not yet the leaks.
Speaker 1: Right, it's not good.
Speaker 2: You know. We hear from climate scientists like that. There's
Speaker 2: been a number of like reports where they're like, guys,
Speaker 2: it's going going hotter faster than we expected in our
Speaker 2: some of our worst case projections. But I've not heard
Speaker 2: it connected to liquid natural gas until your show that,
Speaker 2: Like that's one of the theories as to how we're
Speaker 2: we're getting there, how it's getting so much hotter, so
Speaker 2: much faster. So that's just I wanted to make sure
Speaker 2: that we made that connection too right.
Speaker 1: And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom, like
Speaker 1: is was it like a green washing thing where the
Speaker 1: emphasis on oil created like a lane for like LNG
Speaker 1: to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil,
Speaker 1: or was there like a pr moment where proponents were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can claim that this gas is different, let's do that.
Speaker 1: What sort of like what what were the what were
Speaker 1: the building blocks to kind of get us to this point.
Speaker 1: Now we're like, y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet
Speaker 1: like that one of the worst ways possible, and we're
Speaker 1: barely even talking about that dimension of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, what really kicked this off was like, don't
Speaker 3: remember the fracking boom, Like it was really took off
Speaker 3: like under Obama's time, where like the technology for fracking
Speaker 3: got so good that all of a sudden, these oil
Speaker 3: and gas companies like out in West Texas and New
Speaker 3: Mexico and like the areas where there has been a
Speaker 3: ton of fracking, like they got so good at it
Speaker 3: that there was a surplus right of all this natural
Speaker 3: gas and they're like, okay, we can only sell so
Speaker 3: much of it domestically, where are we going to sell
Speaker 3: all this stuff? And we went at that time like
Speaker 3: there were the first correct me if I'm wrong on
Speaker 3: this alley, but I think the first LNG terminal on
Speaker 3: the on the Gulf Coast was for bringing it was
Speaker 3: for importing LNG because at that point we didn't have
Speaker 3: that much. And then it goes, you know, in a
Speaker 3: few years and went from that import terminal becoming an
Speaker 3: export terminal, and then all of these plans for all
Speaker 3: of these this rollout of the like this huge expansion
Speaker 3: of LNG export terminals because we've just have that much
Speaker 3: natural gas that you know, the industry is like, well,
Speaker 3: let's sell it, let's lipify it, ship it everywhere else
Speaker 3: and sell it overseas. Yeah, and we know that natural
Speaker 3: gas well mm hmm. I was about to saying, we
Speaker 3: know natural gas is cleaner than coal, but you know,
Speaker 3: again that's like a big question mark. Not necessarily, but
Speaker 3: that was at least the argument that was grasped by
Speaker 3: the pr agencies, by the oil and gas industries that
Speaker 3: they promoted that gas is cleaner, right, Gas is the
Speaker 3: cleanest fossil fuel. And so when you make people think that,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, aren't we already doing the cleanest that
Speaker 3: we can do?
Speaker 1: You know, right? Right? And would I be correct in
Speaker 1: assuming that when Republicans and some Democrats tout the benefits
Speaker 1: of LNG expansion, like new jobs, increased revenues for the community.
Speaker 1: The opposite is happening, is that is that?
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 1: I mean, like it sounds like locals are not benefiting
Speaker 1: and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute kick in
Speaker 1: the teeth because of it. But I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: there's maybe these people that live in these areas are
Speaker 1: shareholders because those people seem to be getting value. So
Speaker 1: maybe the a lot of the shareholders for these companies
Speaker 1: live along in the Golf coast or this is all
Speaker 1: just pr spin.
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I think like they're for
Speaker 3: sure supporters on the ground in these communities because there
Speaker 3: are some jobs the whole Like you know, how many
Speaker 3: jobs are construction jobs so around just during the construction,
Speaker 3: and then how many are permanent and how many jobs
Speaker 3: are actually in are the people in the community getting
Speaker 3: those jobs? Like all of that, it gets a little
Speaker 3: more nebulous of like how many jobs are really how
Speaker 3: many good jobs are really? You know, is are these
Speaker 3: new export terminals providing? But like on the other side
Speaker 3: of it, for sure, the impacts of the environment are crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean, the amount of pollution that these communities are
Speaker 3: having to live with are pretty extreme. So like yes,
Speaker 3: there are some benefits, but do they outweigh the other
Speaker 3: and then also out where so these are getting right yeah,
Speaker 3: and then a lot of these companies are getting massive
Speaker 3: tax breaks as well, so how much money is coming
Speaker 3: to these communities. So there are a lot of questions
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: But the share but the shareholders, right, they are winning.
Speaker 1: The shareholders are winning.
Speaker 3: Shareholders are doing gang bus.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh thank god, Okay, I was worried. I told you, Jack,
Speaker 2: they seemed to stay winning. It turns out shareholders yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I I like there there's a recent I
Speaker 2: forget which episode it was, but just talking talking about
Speaker 2: how as long as it remains business as usual, they're
Speaker 2: going to keep finding ways to do this. Like the
Speaker 2: natural gas starts as this like buzz term that's like
Speaker 2: this is the future of energy and like it's cleaner
Speaker 2: and it's a bridge fuel to like a cleaner tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And then it becomes ensconced and like you know, the
Speaker 2: second that something is making money, it becomes more powerful.
Speaker 2: And it brings me back to this, Like I remember
Speaker 2: an article in the Wall Street Journal, all those talking
Speaker 2: about how DEI and like environmental justice initiatives like were
Speaker 2: like they were, like, you know, these once had momentum,
Speaker 2: but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because
Speaker 2: they've been like determined to be less profitable. And it
Speaker 2: just it feels like the way the system is set up,
Speaker 2: like you really can't use the logic the internal mechanisms
Speaker 2: of like hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it
Speaker 2: has to take into account that they are going to
Speaker 2: find a way to keep things the way they're going
Speaker 2: for as long as possible, Like they're going to go
Speaker 2: down kicking and screaming. But I don't know what, like
Speaker 2: does does that seem true to you? Do you? Like
Speaker 2: you guys do a good job of highlighting things that
Speaker 2: make you hopeful? Are there examples that kind of contradict
Speaker 2: that of where people you know, where BP is like
Speaker 2: investing in clean energy in the future or something, you know,
Speaker 2: like what just how do you guys think about that
Speaker 2: big question? Jack? I know, like the role Yeah, just
Speaker 2: like specifically the ability of like entrenched power to ever
Speaker 2: be like part of the solution.
Speaker 4: I feel like, and Carly, I'm so curious about what
Speaker 4: you think here too, Like you know, I don't I'm
Speaker 4: not sure if you guys are familiar or if your
Speaker 4: listeners are familiar with the IPCC report. It's a giant
Speaker 4: international report that's basically a collection of all of the
Speaker 4: latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by you know,
Speaker 4: all the big climate scientists out there working together on it.
Speaker 4: And when you look at those projections, they always have
Speaker 4: this one option that's business as usual. And so that's
Speaker 4: of like we kept doing the same thing that we're
Speaker 4: still doing, still rule our society the same way that
Speaker 4: if you look at those projections. Obviously this is audio,
Speaker 4: so I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph,
Speaker 4: the temperature graph just keeps going up. It's just an
Speaker 4: exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind
Speaker 4: of burns up. And I think that that says that
Speaker 4: we should not continue business as usually. We need to
Speaker 4: find other ways to do our business.
Speaker 2: Okay, so your anti planet burning up? Okay, interesting, that's
Speaker 2: your opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not going to come in with the counterpoid to that,
Speaker 3: but but I am going to bring in the hope
Speaker 3: that I think you are looking for, Jack, which is
Speaker 3: like renewables are also doing gangbusters, and like we the
Speaker 3: solar installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year
Speaker 3: is like we're doing better than expected, and so like
Speaker 3: renewables are taking off, they're getting everybody knows, they're also
Speaker 3: getting cheaper. They're becoming the cheaper option. And so yes,
Speaker 3: entrenched power. An entrenched industry is really hard to like
Speaker 3: dislodge from their place of power. Of course, they want
Speaker 3: to keep doing business as usual. But when the market
Speaker 3: keeps saying, yeah, but this is so much cheaper and
Speaker 3: better for the planet, then there's only so long you
Speaker 3: can you can fight that. So, I mean, that's really hopeful.
Speaker 3: It's just how much renewable energy is taking off around
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just to bash capitalism a little bit more though there.
Speaker 1: And then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint.
Speaker 4: Last year, I was talking to this like retired like
Speaker 4: longtime environmental lawyer, and he I don't know if I
Speaker 4: have heard of the rights of nature movement. It's basically
Speaker 4: this like push by different indigenous groups to be able
Speaker 4: to steward these different pieces of nature and give them
Speaker 4: their own rights, almost as a person, like a river
Speaker 4: could be have the same protective rights as a person.
Speaker 4: And that's actually moving forward in South American countries. That's
Speaker 4: moving forward. It's actually been ingrained in a Latin American
Speaker 4: country's constitution, and it's moving forward in places like Europe,
Speaker 4: areas that are more socialist. That moves forward. And when
Speaker 4: I was asking him like, is there any hope can
Speaker 4: we get that done here in the US, He's like,
Speaker 4: I mean we could, but capitalism, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like how many guillotines you got? Counterpoint, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: The only thing that should have the rights of people
Speaker 2: is corporate corporations yea burnt Yeah, yeah, sorry, I could
Speaker 2: tell you. Yeah, No, I mean there there was successful
Speaker 2: legislation in Where was it it was in a US state?
Speaker 2: I want to say Minnesota maybe, but where like a
Speaker 2: group of kids basically and keep it. I don't know
Speaker 2: enough to finish the sentence. Minnesota Timberwolves or something. I
Speaker 2: was thinking of the Minnesota Timberwolves. You had a good
Speaker 2: run in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, give me the kids lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Like the kids, Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, searing companies for our future?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: A question like, oh, y, all right, let's take a break.
Speaker 2: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 2: we will be right back and we're back. We're back, Miles.
Speaker 2: I cut you off to go to the break so
Speaker 2: that I could try and google the thing that I
Speaker 2: was talking about, and I was so off base I
Speaker 2: didn't I couldn't even be like, yes.
Speaker 1: The Rudy Go Bear trial. Oh no, that's the Timberwolves again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that. You know, you know, with an election year,
Speaker 1: there's always like.
Speaker 2: Some montage damn it.
Speaker 9: Sorry, oh yeah that was way that was a few
Speaker 9: months ago. Yeah, yeah, okay, Hey, it was a damnated Stana. Yeah,
Speaker 9: Montana Jack because Montana Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fact checking love.
Speaker 3: It because I thought you were going with the rights
Speaker 3: of nature thing, because I think in Minnesota there was
Speaker 3: a tribe that got the rights to a kind of
Speaker 3: wild rice. So it's just kind of wild rice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: has the same rights as the person. So that's probably
Speaker 3: what you were thinking about.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not we also, yeah, I think you can whatever
Speaker 2: the smartest version in your brain is, like, that's probably
Speaker 2: the ones.
Speaker 1: Most nuanced smart Yeah, answer was that that's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking. But I was saying, you know, in an
Speaker 1: election year, there's always there's all like energy always becomes
Speaker 1: a focal point. And whether it was like Biden initially
Speaker 1: being like are you with fracking?
Speaker 2: Are you against fracking?
Speaker 1: And some people being like, we've seen what fracking does
Speaker 1: to our state, Like this always ends up being something
Speaker 1: that has to get uttered on a debate stage. And
Speaker 1: I was curious that earlier this year, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a there's an export ban on LNG and I've
Speaker 1: seen I've seen a lot of think pieces from like
Speaker 1: you know, financial sector, like Wall Street journal types and
Speaker 1: Fox newsplaces like this is actually going to be this
Speaker 1: is going to doom our economy. But from an environmental standpoint,
Speaker 1: how do you look at this LNG band that's it's positive,
Speaker 1: it's is it? How how far is it going? Because
Speaker 1: in like knowing what I know from listening to your
Speaker 1: show and just how dire the situation is with liquified
Speaker 1: natural gas. Hearing that there is a band, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that sounds like progressive, but what how is that viewed as?
Speaker 1: How's that viewed from like, you know, the people that
Speaker 1: are really in the trenches when it comes to this
Speaker 1: battle with the expansion of energy.
Speaker 3: Well I'll start so so yeah, I'll just start off.
Speaker 3: So like the Biden It's it's really more it's like
Speaker 3: a pause, So we are still exporting the heck out
Speaker 3: of LNG right now, like oh okay, that is going
Speaker 3: up and up so that we have more export terminals.
Speaker 3: There's still many in the process of being built. So
Speaker 3: it didn't do any thing to what we're exporting now
Speaker 3: and what we will continue to export as more of
Speaker 3: these export terminals come online. But what this pause did
Speaker 3: was say, before we give the green light to all
Speaker 3: these other ones that are you know, waiting in the wings. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh okay, so they're all waiting to get the green light,
Speaker 3: they're going to say, well, actually, why don't we think
Speaker 3: about what are the climate implications and your point about
Speaker 3: like election year and like prices that impact all of us.
Speaker 3: What does exporting energy due to America's energy prices? So
Speaker 3: the pause is just like, we're going to look at
Speaker 3: all this information and then we'll decide should we keep
Speaker 3: expanding energy?
Speaker 1: So I see, Yeah, but worded very cleverly to give
Speaker 1: the feeling that it's like we've we've shut the spigots off, folks,
Speaker 1: not a not a drop more. But I get it.
Speaker 1: Like anything. I mean, so many of the like recent
Speaker 1: decisions have been something of like and we're going to
Speaker 1: check in on the state of coal energy in like
Speaker 1: eight years or after the Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: But how do you want to like, do you want
Speaker 3: to bring up the whole price like what we found
Speaker 3: out in our reporting with like LNG and how it
Speaker 3: does affect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can talk about that. I was also
Speaker 4: going to mention what the LNG pause that people on
Speaker 4: the ground, like environmental justice activists that have been working
Speaker 4: against these plans for a while are were, This was
Speaker 4: like a huge major stuff. They were about to go
Speaker 4: like bang down the doors of the Biden administration Department
Speaker 4: Energy and like sit down in their building and not
Speaker 4: leave until they gave them what they wanted. So for them,
Speaker 4: this was like a huge step forward. But also, yeah,
Speaker 4: even beyond those activists, there's actually a giant group of different,
Speaker 4: i don't know, different types of industries once that you
Speaker 4: wouldn't even necessarily think would care about LNG or be
Speaker 4: anti shipping gas everywhere. And that's because the more gas
Speaker 4: that we ship out, the more pressure it actually puts
Speaker 4: on our own economy. And so when you see your
Speaker 4: natural gas maybe your eating bills going up, that could
Speaker 4: be the result of how much gas we're sending out
Speaker 4: because we're opening ourselves up to this larger market. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that explanation made sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's a lot more volatile, and like, yeah, it's also
Speaker 3: a supply and demand, like we're sending our supply elsewhere.
Speaker 3: We're not just giving it all here for us where
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, we've got this glut, so like our
Speaker 3: prices are going to go down when we're sending it
Speaker 3: to other countries who will pay a lot more for
Speaker 3: it than it's making the price.
Speaker 1: Go up, right, Yeah. And then because I'm sure the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian invasion also was a huge help to American natural
Speaker 1: I remember that was like a thing that felt like
Speaker 1: we weren't talking enough about at the time. But I remember,
Speaker 1: like for a second, they're like, Russia could make Europe
Speaker 1: cold by turning off the gas. And then like you'd
Speaker 1: see sometimes like America has a lot of LG to
Speaker 1: help people out over there, and you're like, oh great now,
Speaker 1: rather than like arms shipments, were like, hey man, we
Speaker 1: got this other thing you can buy that's already obstructive
Speaker 1: to your house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they go yeah, And it's crazy because that's still
Speaker 4: an argument that the gas industry is making even now
Speaker 4: two years later.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know how to push our buttons or push
Speaker 2: the New York Times as buttons, I guess. So I
Speaker 2: do feel like there is things I've heard in the
Speaker 2: show that just generally, like people who go in depth
Speaker 2: on a problem like this, you guys know all the
Speaker 2: ways that it's really bad and troubling. Like there's a
Speaker 2: whole insurance aspect to this, with like people not being
Speaker 2: able to buy home insurance anymore because of you know,
Speaker 2: just how bleak the outlook is for the climate or
Speaker 2: the specific locations where they are that is already happening.
Speaker 2: But so you know, like the details of how it's bad,
Speaker 2: But I feel like you also get a look at
Speaker 2: like people coming together to like make changes and like
Speaker 2: create things that could give us hope. And I was
Speaker 2: just wanting to like spend the last section of the
Speaker 2: show just talking about what you guys have seen in
Speaker 2: that respect of people kind of coming together and fighting
Speaker 2: for each other and the future of the planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll start with just like this episode that Hallie
Speaker 3: recorded with activists from around the world that was after
Speaker 3: our LNG series, and she spoke to activists in Japan
Speaker 3: and Germany and across the Gulf Coast, and it was
Speaker 3: really inspiring to hear how people are coming together from
Speaker 3: you know, other countries and building and building an alliance
Speaker 3: of saying like, okay, we're seeing these impacts here too,
Speaker 3: you're seeing them there. A lot of them have come
Speaker 3: to the US to see, like because we're ground zero
Speaker 3: where this is where it's all coming from, to kind
Speaker 3: of draw the connections, and a lot of them, you know,
Speaker 3: they're finding hope in their work and they're like the
Speaker 3: last thing anybody should do is you know, we don't
Speaker 3: have time for any of us to get to depress
Speaker 3: about this and just go like hide in a hole,
Speaker 3: like there's work to be done to save our planet.
Speaker 3: And so they were, you know, forming bonds around that,
Speaker 3: and like each one of them was finding hope in
Speaker 3: the fact that like you find the pockets where things
Speaker 3: are getting better and renewable energy is taking off, and
Speaker 3: like you know, there is this pause on just like
Speaker 3: willy nilly expanding without thinking about you know, the ramifications, right,
Speaker 3: So like people are finding the winds where they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and are the question of whether they'll be enough
Speaker 2: like that, just finding the winds and then like if
Speaker 2: we can magnify those just to talk about the winds,
Speaker 2: then you know there there can be momentum there. But
Speaker 2: it does feel like you need to go kind of
Speaker 2: small to local reporting to find to find out that
Speaker 2: much about whatever right he's doing.
Speaker 1: Because we're so used to seeing things at such a
Speaker 1: macro level where it's like, yeah, this industry is doing
Speaker 1: this and they're doing great, and some people try to
Speaker 1: push back and it's not working. But then I was
Speaker 1: listening to that episode with all that the activists on
Speaker 1: the ground, and it was interesting how they all saw
Speaker 1: how what their respective country's role is in this sort
Speaker 1: of like mechanism of LNG expansion where I think Maluki
Speaker 1: was the name of the Japanese guy. He was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Japan is a huge investor, like the
Speaker 1: institutional investment comes from Japanese banks, and then the German
Speaker 1: guys like we're the biggest consumer of it, and understanding that,
Speaker 1: like for the Japanese activists, like they're having to put
Speaker 1: pressure like on the institutional banks to understand like what
Speaker 1: exactly is happening and how those roles are different. But
Speaker 1: because of the coordination, they're feeling like Oh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: we're find like we're seeing what every how everything works.
Speaker 1: But it's about that. I mean, it's really solidarity and
Speaker 1: that that level of commitment and collaboration that gives them
Speaker 1: the hope. And I think that just seems to be
Speaker 1: the message across many crisis crises we look at on
Speaker 1: the earth, whether it's environmental or otherwise, that it's if
Speaker 1: we are able to maintain this level of connection and
Speaker 1: understand how we support each other through that it becomes
Speaker 1: like a much more or less of a herculean task.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4: So beautifully put. Yeah, No, yeah, I agreed. I was
Speaker 4: going to say with one of the most emotional moments
Speaker 4: I would say was when Hiroki, the Japanese activist who
Speaker 4: is in that episode, was visiting Louisiana's Gulf Coast. I
Speaker 4: got to go and like follow him in his visit
Speaker 4: and seeing these LNG plans. He went on the boat
Speaker 4: of a shrimper named Travis Dardar who's in our first episode,
Speaker 4: and they're having this conversation and I don't know the
Speaker 4: cabin I think that's what is called on boats, and
Speaker 4: like immediately Travis is like, so you're here to help us,
Speaker 4: and he's like, yeah, we're here to fight together, and
Speaker 4: they just have this moment of talking about how they're
Speaker 4: going to support each other on different ends of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you do hear that just generally from people
Speaker 2: who are on the ground. For like in movies when
Speaker 2: there's a disaster, when there's a flood, a gang of
Speaker 2: bank robbers comes in and robs the local bank with
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of a very specific Christian Slater movie from
Speaker 2: the early nineties. But people, generally, when bad happens, it's
Speaker 2: like every man for himself. This gives us an excuse
Speaker 2: to just like fuck each other over. And in reality,
Speaker 2: you see people want to help each other a lot
Speaker 2: of the time. That's the thing that gets cut out
Speaker 2: of the accounts of like what happens in a catastrophe,
Speaker 2: So like just down to that cellular level of like
Speaker 2: people helping people. It just it feels like a way
Speaker 2: that we kind of warp what's actually going on to
Speaker 2: make it seem less hopeful at a time when I
Speaker 2: feel like people do need the hope. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, What would you say, what would you give us
Speaker 1: as listeners people that are interested in the topic, as
Speaker 1: like homework to better you know, help in this, you know,
Speaker 1: because obviously there's so many things that we need to
Speaker 1: be on top of to know about to inform our
Speaker 1: But what is the best way that you know for
Speaker 1: someone who's listening now realizing oh yeah, like oh, I've
Speaker 1: definitely heard of liquified natural gas, but I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it needs some serious attention. What are those steps? Like?
Speaker 1: Is it just about seeing what kind of bills are
Speaker 1: propping up like in your local legislation or local legislature
Speaker 1: or organizations? What do you feel from doing this kind
Speaker 1: of work and talking to these people is sort of
Speaker 1: the way to get more everyday individual citizens to have
Speaker 1: a level of awareness that feels like we can kind
Speaker 1: of reach some kind of tipping point.
Speaker 4: Well, I'd say number one, support the people who are
Speaker 4: on the ground and are most affected by this issue.
Speaker 4: And I can I can list off some group names.
Speaker 1: If sure, like yeah, and well even those yeah footnotes
Speaker 1: will put that in our footnotes so people don't.
Speaker 4: Check that out linked in the footnotes. So that is
Speaker 4: the Vessel Project that's based in southwest Louisiana and Lake Charles.
Speaker 4: Another Lake Charles based group is or A Better Buy
Speaker 4: You And then one based on Cameron is called fish
Speaker 4: and it stands for fishermen. Oh god, now I pulled
Speaker 4: a jack.
Speaker 3: Can we go to a break? Yeah, just go to
Speaker 3: a break.
Speaker 2: I find that it's always good to just cut to
Speaker 2: a break, spend some time googling, come back, and still not.
Speaker 1: Have But seriously, what was going on? Can I read
Speaker 1: this thing from Food and Wine magazine the pre seasonal
Speaker 1: launch of the milk chok okay, fine, fine, okay?
Speaker 4: I found fish. Fish is fishermen interested in saving our heritage.
Speaker 4: So those are a couple of groups. And again going
Speaker 4: back to that LNG pause too, there are going to
Speaker 4: be opportunities for the public to comment during that process,
Speaker 4: So stay out, look out for the Department of Energy website.
Speaker 4: I'm sure everybody's watching that website. No, so maybe we
Speaker 4: can pass along that link too.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would say, you know, while you're eating
Speaker 3: brunch or not choosing to eat brunch, talking about this
Speaker 3: stuff with people, I think talking about anything that you
Speaker 3: read about the is hopeful and spreading those stories, but
Speaker 3: also being aware of like, hey, is this greenwashing this
Speaker 3: thing that I'm hearing these like slick commercials. Maybe I
Speaker 3: should do a little like research on my own and
Speaker 3: find out.
Speaker 2: So people aren't just like everything's bad, You're just gonna
Speaker 2: tell me everything's bad. What what are the good ones
Speaker 2: that actually work? Wind solar? Just which are growing, which
Speaker 2: are actually helpful? Is that would those be the ones
Speaker 2: that we should suggest people invest time and energy into.
Speaker 3: Those are the ones that are growing like crazy right now.
Speaker 3: And then there's a lot of other things on the
Speaker 3: horizon that I think people are excited about. So, but
Speaker 3: wind and solar are definitely like the two big industries
Speaker 3: that are doing well for the shareholders and for and
Speaker 3: for these countries that are are moving really quickly off
Speaker 3: of fossil fuels.
Speaker 2: Because at brunch I generally discuss the shareholder value. That's
Speaker 2: kind of the main currency that we speak about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I brought you. I figured I feel anything that
Speaker 1: has any value. And just quick counterpoint, Carly, but what
Speaker 1: about the utility companies? If we're just making our own energy,
Speaker 1: what but what happens to them? You should we care?
Speaker 3: I'm glad you have the concern for these utilities.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I get an email every day from some lobbyists
Speaker 1: I'm friends with who just asked me to say some
Speaker 1: of this stuff on the show. For Get I get
Speaker 1: discounts a chevron.
Speaker 3: But anyway, what we're saying, wasn't there a big thing
Speaker 3: that just happened in California that like community solar, rooftop solar,
Speaker 3: like a I don't know, y'all know that something was
Speaker 3: just shot down because I think utilities do have so
Speaker 3: much power that of course they don't want they want
Speaker 3: to keep making money.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yep, yep, yeah, I mean they say it's
Speaker 1: threatening some Joshua. There's all kinds of weird, bizarre stuff
Speaker 1: about why solar is bad in California. But yes, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the lobbyists. Again. I tried to get
Speaker 1: that information into the show. Just didn't work out organically, folks.
Speaker 1: We'll try next show, won't you think about the readers?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for
Speaker 2: joining us. Carly Hallie, where can people find you? Guys?
Speaker 2: Follow you, hear you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, our podcast is called ce Change, that's Sea Change,
Speaker 3: and you can listen to us wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 4: I was waiting for that.
Speaker 3: That line that's like kind of means something, I guess,
Speaker 3: But you know you can listen to us at that
Speaker 3: place that you do other places.
Speaker 2: And is there a work of media that you guys
Speaker 2: have been enjoying.
Speaker 4: Can I name a movie?
Speaker 2: Oh, you have a movie, you can name a tweet,
Speaker 2: you can do book, whatever, anything, anything.
Speaker 4: I just saw Challengers, one of the best movies of
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 1: I think so amazing. It's that one is such a
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of got the same feeling
Speaker 1: of like what mad Max Fury Road had. When it
Speaker 1: came out, people were like, yeah, I know about it,
Speaker 1: but everyone's like, no, dude, you need to go see that.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's really good and I'm glad. I did
Speaker 1: shout out producer a Ena for putting the pressure for
Speaker 1: me to watch it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I just finished this really good book called Charleston Race
Speaker 3: Water in the Coming Storm and it's by Susan Crawford,
Speaker 3: and it's super interesting about how Charleston, the development of Charleston,
Speaker 3: and you know, speaking of like the wealthy living on
Speaker 3: higher ground and where poor neighborhoods are located in terms
Speaker 3: of kind of like rising seas. But it's a really
Speaker 3: interesting look at like how the city of Charleston is
Speaker 3: booming right now, and like, what's what's happening there with Yeah,
Speaker 3: with a lot of climate climate impacts, So I recommend it.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Yeah, oh yeah, yes, it's amazing. Miles. Where
Speaker 2: can people find you? Is their working media? You've been
Speaker 2: enjoying it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, find me Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray, pretty
Speaker 1: much anywhere else they have at symbols, find Jack and
Speaker 1: I in the Basketball podcast and mousing jacko mat boost Boosties.
Speaker 1: You can find me talking about ninety day Fiance on
Speaker 1: My Other twenty Day Fiance and also if you like
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, check me out on the latest episode of
Speaker 1: My Mama Told Me with Langston Kerman and David Borie.
Speaker 1: A work of media, I like, okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I saw something that it was really funny. I used
Speaker 1: to watch the every version of the Office that had
Speaker 1: come out UK, American, et cetera. And this fan made
Speaker 1: like edited together just clips of the Office to create
Speaker 1: this like a twenty four esque psychological thriller where like
Speaker 1: Dwight is in love with Kelly, and like Ryan becomes
Speaker 1: the object of his like obsession to try and break
Speaker 1: them up, and he's basically like a murderer it's fantastic,
Speaker 1: Like someone in the comments on this Reddit post said,
Speaker 1: Jordan Peele famously said, like, the only difference in comedy
Speaker 1: and like thrillers is the is the score, and you know,
Speaker 1: you play something a little bit more tense, everything can
Speaker 1: have such a different feel to it. So I will
Speaker 1: link to this fan made trailer of this like a
Speaker 1: twenty four ask the Office thriller, because it's pretty amazing,
Speaker 1: And I mean Office Watcher or not, it's just great editing,
Speaker 1: great editing, amazing. Yeah, it is really worth watch.
Speaker 2: Tweet I've been enjoying at W zero A zero I
Speaker 2: zero f waif with zeros in between all the letters.
Speaker 2: Tweeted not my meet gas inheriting the Earth.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 2: We have language you.
Speaker 4: Can back around.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O Brian.
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Speaker 2: we'll link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 2: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 2: think you might enjoy. Miles what's the song.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, just in keeping with this like a twenty
Speaker 1: four esque trailer, the person who edited put in like
Speaker 1: this really amazing. I think it's a Hungarian rock band
Speaker 1: called Omega. They have a track in there called The
Speaker 1: translation is I believe Pearls in Her Hair. I'm not
Speaker 1: okay if it was Hungarian, I believe it's gung Hai
Speaker 1: yu Lan okay, don't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Thank you for the first time I everwhere I did
Speaker 5: that different. But it's g G y O n g
Speaker 5: y h A j U space l A n y.
Speaker 5: Just go to the footnotes. But this is like one
Speaker 5: of those dope sort.
Speaker 1: Of like uh like acid rock songs that like from
Speaker 1: like Eastern Europe that just has such like emotion to
Speaker 1: it and truly brought this trailer to life. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people have heard this in other places.
Speaker 1: But that's the song we're going to go out to,
Speaker 1: Pearls in Her Hair by Omega.
Speaker 2: All right, well we will link off to that footnote.
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