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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today, we're going to

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Speaker 1: recap to today's guest. I just mentioned my longtime friend

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Speaker 1: been around when Tyson's wife and his dad have taken

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Speaker 1: Sorry I couldn't help but bring that up early in

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Speaker 1: the podcast. We just got back from our what I

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Speaker 1: been going for almost twenty two years, and we're just

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Speaker 1: and we have a pretty good measuring stick for what's

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Speaker 1: to the show, Tyson.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you introduced me, this third fiddle behind

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Speaker 2: my dad and why yeah, glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: At least I didn't introduce you as Terrence's husband. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that might be better off at this point. I do

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Speaker 1: love it, though, and I've only been to your new

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Speaker 2: I get to look at it every single day when

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Speaker 1: But to your credit, you've been there for both your

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, no, it's been We've been involved in some

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, no, it's it's good. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: great meal to your Hunter. And so I'm glad to have

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Speaker 1: you on here. But like every podcast, we're going to

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Speaker 1: start with some listener questions. I have to apologize off

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Speaker 1: And so I've got the two questions. But I do

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and take a crack of that, Tyson, Well.

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Speaker 2: Where to concentrate your efforts? Well, if it's your first

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Speaker 1: And they were seeing that good number of deer every day,

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Speaker 1: but nothing really of quality had popped up in that

433
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 1: area where they were at.

434
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,240
Speaker 2: Which again we could go back to weather and just

435
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't quite rut time yet either. So I

436
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 2: mean there's factors. Yeah, Yeah, the age is there that

437
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 2: we just don't know about. But just in our perspective,

438
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,160
Speaker 2: I feel like the age has been taking a hit.

439
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they had the good weather, but we're earlier

440
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 1: in the season. We had later in the season, but

441
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 1: a lot worse weather tough to get around. So we're

442
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 1: gonna kind of start off with with one thing. A point.

443
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 1: I was able to talk to Ryan Callahan there about

444
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,960
Speaker 1: just a state of of what I'd call the planes

445
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 1: meal deer right anywhere from the Continental divide over where

446
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,640
Speaker 1: you kind of drop into that Plans country, and we're

447
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: talking about all the way from the northeast down to

448
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 1: the southeast, all the way to the central Talking with

449
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan, they're here with me eater. He had told me,

450
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, he's very involved with the BMAS and the

451
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 1: biologist and kind of where everybody wants everything. And he

452
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 1: told me that the biologists like where the deer numbers

453
00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 1: are at right now, and that don't take that eight him.

454
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 1: I'm kind of transferring over what he said, but that

455
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 1: was kind of from the Montana Fish and Wildlife that

456
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 1: this is where they want the deer to be, which

457
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 1: is a little concerning and I only say that we're

458
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: going to talk about CWD here in a little bit,

459
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's having a big impact

460
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 1: on those decisions. But we've been there before, as we mentioned,

461
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 1: if we're at twenty five to fifty percent, we've been

462
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: there when the carrying capacity is way higher. You know,

463
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 1: our deer account per day was way higher. And what

464
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: do you think about if this is where they want

465
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Speaker 1: the deer numbers, are we just going to be stuck

466
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Speaker 1: with it?

467
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,479
Speaker 2: As a hunter, it's kind of scary because we're used

468
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 2: to seeing more numbers than what we have recently, and

469
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of scary that that's the numbers they wanted

470
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: at because it was it was fun to come from

471
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 2: somewhere like Washington where we're not managed great at all

472
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: and the numbers are terrible. So you go and see

473
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 2: hundreds of deer to where Now, if that's where the

474
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 2: numbers are, it's going to be more like what it's

475
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: still going to be better than one. But as a

476
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 2: as a hunter that loves hunting Montana, that's that's a

477
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 2: little scary.

478
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I under I understand it. Like I say, I've

479
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: already said this once. I don't claim to be a biologist.

480
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: But the CWD thing, I guess we can just go

481
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: ahead and jump into it now and then we'll get

482
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: to some of these other points. You know, they're marking

483
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: some of these areas is like CWD hot zones or

484
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: areas where they want to keep these deer down. They're

485
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 1: proposing what you were saying, you did little research on it.

486
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: They're proposing keeping some of these you know, buck Ordo

487
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: tags all the way till like early January. YEP.

488
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Speaker 2: I had a buddy send me a link who's a

489
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: Montana resident, and he sent me a link for some

490
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: of the six hundred series units that they're wanting to

491
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: do either sex B tags that go clear to January,

492
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 2: and it could be up to it says anywhere from

493
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 2: one hundred to one thousand tags per unit per hotspot,

494
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. And man, that's a

495
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: lot of extra and those are extra tags, not just.

496
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Speaker 1: The generally on top of the general.

497
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a lot of extra deer getting shot out.

498
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Speaker 1: Of I should have did some more research. I owed

499
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: you guys more than that. But I'm gonna I'm gonna

500
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: speculate here a little bit. So in twenty nineteen and

501
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: twenty one. I think we donated or you know, went

502
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: to a CWDE check station and got everything checked in

503
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: and when me and my wife checked our bucks, all negative.

504
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: But what they do is back then they had a number.

505
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the same system now. They

506
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: basically gave you an assigned number, a little tag, and

507
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: then you went and checked on your number and it

508
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: would say negative or positive. Well, you could see all

509
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: these other results and very very few, very few positives,

510
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: And so I don't This is where I'm saying, I'm

511
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: not a biologists. I don't understand, like, is one positive

512
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: too many? You know? Is it that serious? But it

513
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: seems crazy that you want to take out an entire

514
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: herd when it's obvious that I'm gonna once again speculation.

515
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: But just what I remember seeing, you know, ninety five

516
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: percent plus if not more, of the deer were tested

517
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: negative for CWD. And on this damn hunt that you're

518
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: gonna let people hunt till January first, you have no

519
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: idea whether they're killing ninety You can kill ninety five

520
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: out of one hundred deer that were perfectly fine. Like

521
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: I just I struggle to think that that's a solution

522
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: for the CWD problem. But I also don't know because

523
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: what if you killed one hundred deer and none of

524
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: them had WD, but the ten that got away were

525
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: the ones running around with that like, well that was

526
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: a real dumb program. You just killed one hundred healthy

527
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: deer and now you got five ten.

528
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: Sick ones just passing it around.

529
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: I just I struggle to wrap my head around that.

530
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some science based reasoning, but I'm gonna

531
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: need somebody to sit down and explain it to me

532
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: if that's where where they're at. So I got to

533
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: talked to Steve. Got a little recap from you know,

534
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: he always does the youth season with Brody. They're out

535
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: of me eat here and they take their kids on

536
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: a on a hunt and I'm talking with Steve. We

537
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: were kind of just trying to, you know, just do

538
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: an update, and once again he told me kind of

539
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: the same general you know information before we went over there,

540
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: like oh, man, numbers are down or they seem to

541
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: be down. And then he speculated a little bit. He's

542
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: like I don't understand or I don't know if this

543
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: is the issue. But he's like, man, I've never seen

544
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: in the same general area as this many coyotes like

545
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: the predator problem. Same thing with us. We've seen multiple

546
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: multiple coyotes in real good shape, and they.

547
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: They had the deer on edge too. Anytime the deer

548
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: would get alert and start running around, you could look

549
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: and there'd be at least one coyote right there.

550
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: And so Steve was Steve gave me a couple examples

551
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: of like coyotes that would just run to him or

552
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: run between like him and his kid, fifty or six

553
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: yards apart, and just really didn't care. So, you know,

554
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: I around here we have you know, some of those

555
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: spots over there, I don't think they have a high

556
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: cat population, don't have a whole lot of bears, you know,

557
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: in certain spots. So you got coyotes, you know, mopping

558
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: up fawns and whatnot, and they can do do some

559
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: pretty good damage. And so I was trying to think

560
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: back before this podcast so I could have some good data.

561
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember how many fawns we've seen

562
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: on this and I'm starting to think we did see

563
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: quite a few, but there was maybe maybe a little

564
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: hole and numbers like there weren't as many dose with those,

565
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, fresh fawns.

566
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely saw some fauns, but it wasn't an

567
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: overabundance I would.

568
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: Say, yeah, so yeah, I would say maybe fifty sixty

569
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: percent head fawns. But it seems like on normal years

570
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: they were kind of all all packing fawns, you know,

571
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: right up to the right.

572
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: And some twins. On a good year, it seemed like

573
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: every day head twins.

574
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well we're not We're not quite there, you know,

575
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: this year, but it could be a down year and

576
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some more things that may have

577
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: caused that, you know, drought, bad winners, you know, all

578
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: the other things that may be affecting Montana deer that

579
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: we really don't have control over, you know, from an

580
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: environmental standpoint. I know all the all the climate change

581
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: people are gonna be yelling at me that we do

582
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: have control over it. But let's just say, in the

583
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: short term, we don't have any control over the weather,

584
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: the drought, the hard winners. It's just one of those

585
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: things you got to deal with. So it's fast forward

586
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: to another guy that knows Montana mildeer real well. I

587
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: was talking to Ryan Lampers and he feels and he's

588
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: he did piggyback on Steve. You've seeing idea on the

589
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: coyotes a little bit. He's like, man, Jason, I'm seeing

590
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: these things hunt more like wolves. Now. He's like, You'll

591
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: be out on the plane seeing four or six of

592
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: them hunt together surrounding deer, and he's like, I feel

593
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: like they are having a bigger impact. So that's just

594
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: my quick note on on what Ryan didn't hint about

595
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: about coyotes. But he feels the two bad years of

596
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: drought back to back with then giving him a pretty

597
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: bad winter last year, like was a perfect storm to

598
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: really kind of knock the numbers out, you know, all

599
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: across the Ust last year whoming pronghorned meal deer, you

600
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: know Montana. It seems like you send them in to

601
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: the winner in a bad shape because you got drought,

602
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: no food, and then all of a sudden you get

603
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: a bad winter. It was kind of the recipe for which.

604
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: I mean they did have a pretty remarkable spring feed wise,

605
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: but the damage might have already been done to where

606
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: at least the deer that lived had a good shot

607
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: going on with a bunch of feed. But yeah, like

608
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: you said, it was the perfect storm of back to

609
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: back droughts and then throw a bad winter on top.

610
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: It's not an ideal situation for all those deer.

611
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Ryan even went a little deeper, and

612
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't claim to understand this. He talked

613
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: about you know, cold winners, bad droughts, and he doesn't

614
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: feel like the bucks are coming in and rutting as hard,

615
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: like their health is down a little bit, and so

616
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: like these internal like biological triggers aren't getting triggered as hard,

617
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: which from a hunting standpoint, we want those bucks to

618
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: rut hard. He's like they're rutting a little less and

619
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: you know certain bucks, and so he's like that may

620
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: be affecting a little bit what we see as hunters

621
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: as far as the rut, which which could hold true.

622
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't, I don't pretend to know

623
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on with the rut and the intensity

624
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: their rut based on weather. But I know, like the dose,

625
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: they're all based on health. They won't come in and

626
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: be ready to be bred until they're healthy enough. And

627
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: so maybe the bucks are similar, like they're not they're

628
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: not kicking. You know, we see a few bucks on

629
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: this hunt, which you know, a lot of this, you know,

630
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: real cold, they can you know, freeze their their testes

631
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: off or whatnot. We did see quite a few bucks

632
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: still a kind of half velvet. Just didn't seem to

633
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: be quite cranky, you know, testosterone wasn't quite cranking.

634
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Did see one cactus buck while there also, Yeah.

635
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your your dad and timose in a

636
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: cactus buck. You guys seen one ye that that two

637
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: point that was hanging around from the glass and nob

638
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: you know, he he would. So I think there's a

639
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: few of them over there, and you you wonder how

640
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: that's effect and you know, just kind of hanging out

641
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: with the dose. They're just one of the one of

642
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: the girls hanging out there. But uh yeah, it's those

643
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: are those are three guys that are you know that

644
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: I would trust that are around there. Involved a lot

645
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: more and they just they've all got a little bit,

646
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan kind of gave us the information that

647
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: the numbers where they're at. Steve thinks there's a bad

648
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: predator problem, and Ryan thinks it's the drought and winners,

649
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: which they all probably have a little bit of a

650
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: combined Yeah, and uh, you know if we're managing for

651
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: deer numbers there. Man, It's just I don't want to

652
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: say it's not the right thing. I don't want to, like,

653
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: let me be selfish and say that we need to

654
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: hut more deer. But I like, I know if there's

655
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: two or three times more deer, then we could hunt

656
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: more deer. So I'm selfishly thinking, like, let's just increase

657
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: the the deer numbers and we'll get to hunt a

658
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: little bit more. Another other issue issue concern I have is,

659
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to go off topic here a

660
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: little bit. I drew a mountain goat tag and in

661
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: my home state of Washington and everything that you have

662
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: to pass a sex identification course, right, and they give

663
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: you all these reasons why you're not supposed shoot a nanny,

664
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and they basically show you in ten years, if you

665
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: shoot this nanny, you literally just take eighty goats out

666
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: of the herd. Right. You go take Alaska's go identification tests,

667
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: they teach you the same thing. You take Colorado's, they

668
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: teach you the same thing. And I'm just thinking, like, well,

669
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: if it's that important not to shoot nanny goats, why

670
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: does Montana give out so many dough tags, and please

671
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: send your hate mail to some other email than the

672
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: one I listed earlier. Send it off to somewhere else.

673
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: But I feel and this is where we're going to

674
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: bat a little bit. Right. If we take what Cal

675
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: said that this is where we wanted your numbers to be,

676
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: then maybe dough tags are going to keep us there.

677
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: But let's say we wanted to get back to the

678
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: carry capacity of two or three years ago, even and

679
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of dough tags given out.

680
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot.

681
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: You you go over there and you know, whitetail dos. This

682
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: is what this one's for, Dirk, Because me and Dirk

683
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: argue white tail versus meal. I don't care if you

684
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: give out a lot of white tailed dough tags. I

685
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: get them out of the competing meal deer country. But

686
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: for meal deer, like you'll there's nothing to show up

687
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: at a gas station in the middle of the day

688
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: and see twelve sets of legs hanging out of the

689
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: back of a truck. It's just like these mealier doses

690
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: are getting wiped out. But on the same on the

691
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: same hunt, we're seeing a quarter to a third of

692
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: the deer. You're like, well, dang it, man, that's that's

693
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: our way to repopulate the herd, to get everything back

694
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: to to maintain that level. But yet it seems like

695
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these dos are getting you know, shot up.

696
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 2: Like you said, that's kind of the scary part with

697
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: the state wanting maybe the numbers to be where they're at,

698
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: so they're going to keep giving the dough tags and

699
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: maybe they just haven't revisited the number. It's just kind

700
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: of been the same number every year, and you go

701
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: back to nineteen where there was a ton of deer

702
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: and those numbers could sustain that many.

703
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Does getting whacked up? Yeah, I don't know.

704
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Maybe things the numbers need to be revisited, but it's

705
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: kind of scary some of the proposals that are out

706
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: there that are showing just let's shoot more.

707
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't take me, don't take this the wrong way,

708
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm not against shooting dose. But if if the

709
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: management objective is the increase of population, I don't think

710
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: you do it through dough tags or you know, we

711
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of guys like yeah, I was

712
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: able to get one dough tag in the draw and

713
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: then I bought three more leftovers when they came open,

714
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just I don't know. I I

715
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: just I struggle with the idea a little bit, like this,

716
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: do we need to shoot that many DOS numbers? Seem

717
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: to be struggling one to my next point, which has

718
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: always bothered me about Montana a little bit. There is

719
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: no there is no way to limit aside from some

720
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: special units where you just can't hunt. But let's say

721
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: you're general units inside of the state. There's nothing that's

722
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: every general deer tag holder from going to the same

723
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: unit and killing their deer out of that right. So

724
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: there's no control. There's no way to keep people out

725
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: of a general area. And so I don't know if

726
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: it's just kind of self governed based on too many

727
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: people here. I'm getting out. But one thing, it seems

728
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: like some areas where we've been hunting just like overloaded

729
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: with people. You're like, how do you deal with all

730
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: these people? You know they're coming from out of state,

731
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: they're locals there, there's a good mix of everybody, but

732
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing stopping you know, those everybody from taking their

733
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: deer in a certain area.

734
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: I won't lie. I cringe a little bit driving into

735
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: Montana with Washington plates because I know we are not

736
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: liked around that stage. And yeah, like you said, there's

737
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: no way to keep half of Washington out of one area, yep.

738
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: And it really sucks for that area. But until the

739
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: state does something about it, yep.

740
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: And and we're talking, I mean there's spots that are

741
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: easier hunting, easier to pick off deer, easier to spot deer,

742
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: and it seems like obviously just actually everybody gravitates to

743
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: those areas, and I feel like it just puts too

744
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: much pressure on those deer. You know, where we grew

745
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: up hunting, you know, we used to go there at

746
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: certain times and see one or two camps and maybe

747
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: five or six other rigs. Now there's twenty camps and

748
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: fifty rigs at these locations, and it's just like, dang,

749
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: how much pressure can these deer take? You know, they're

750
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: still always there, but they're just you know, quantities down,

751
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: qualities down hunting. And then the other thing I really

752
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: want to get to is like the quality of the

753
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: hunt goes down. Right, you can't go out a ridge

754
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: without running into other people, and you're like, well, you know,

755
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: it's not what you wanted out of the hunt. It's

756
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: not what the hunt used to be to us. Yeah,

757
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: but now you're a little bit of combat hunting.

758
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, like I said, that's why we go to

759
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: different states, because we have enough combat hunting in itself

760
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: here in Washington to where you would go somewhere else

761
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: to try and get away from that, and well it's

762
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: just not there anymore.

763
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we always do what we need to do.

764
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: You know. It's like you guys, for the first couple

765
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: of days, you and your wife just start to climbing mountains, right,

766
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: you knew you were't gonna see anybody too. Yeah, I mean,

767
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: you guys just started climbing the biggest Stivas mountains and

768
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: it paid off. But it's like, you know, trying to

769
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: do some of these things, but it's like, dang, you know,

770
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: we didn't have to used to do that to get

771
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: away from people, but we're we're the mindset like what

772
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: do we gotta do to get away from them? And

773
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: you just push a little harder and go a little

774
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: higher and it worked. Ye. But yeah, it's the old

775
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: days of of Uh. You know, I don't want to

776
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: be labeled as a road hunter, but you could do

777
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: it that way if you wanted to. We did a

778
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: lot of hiking in the areas just because you could

779
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: be stealthy and look into little pockets. So we it

780
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: wasn't hard hunts, but you'd be three four miles out

781
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: there just looking into the pockets and then hunt your

782
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: way back. And nowadays, you do that, you're gonna have

783
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: somebody across the ridge from you and on the other

784
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: ridge from you, and just.

785
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: People walking in behind you.

786
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah even Yeah, on to my next point. And this

787
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: is where I said earlier it might be a little controversial,

788
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: but uh, I don't know. I I told even my

789
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: own family that one the week before me, like, you

790
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: don't have to shoot a deer. You can it's okay

791
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: to drive to Montana especially. I'm gonna I'm gonna preface

792
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: this a little bit more with if you've got meat

793
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: in your freezer and you're not starving to death, right,

794
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: and you're not, you're you're doing it because you love meal,

795
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: deer or whatever, but you absolutely don't need to fill

796
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: the freezer. You don't have to shoot a deer. And

797
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: I justify this a little bit. I feel like I

798
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: have to when you're traveling to these spots from out

799
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: of state you're spending. I mean, especially with gas prices

800
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: the way they are, you're spending one hundreds, if not

801
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: thousand plus dollars in gas. So the whole justification of

802
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: I need to feed the family or I need to

803
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: fill the freezer, like it would be a whole lot

804
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: cheaper to go to the go to the grocery store

805
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: or you know, buy buy a bee for something. Now, yeah,

806
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get deer meat, if you're gonna play

807
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: that card on me. Yeah, you're not gonna get wild, organic,

808
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: non hormone deer meat necessarily that way. But if it's

809
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: truly about filling the freezer, I just I don't buy

810
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: it anymore that you're gonna drive twelve, eight, ten, sixteen

811
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: hours and put a lot of time in plus by

812
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: time you're done with motels or setting up a camp

813
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: or airbeam whatever you're staying in, Like there's there's cost

814
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, eating out, and I just I feel like

815
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to go over there and shoot a

816
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: deer if it's not what you're after.

817
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: I see, I can see both sides, because like you said,

818
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: you just spend a bunch of money. The tags aren't cheap,

819
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: like if you were going to drive all the way

820
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: over there, you'd like to come back with a deer.

821
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: But then I also look at bigger picture and I

822
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: see the numbers and the age quality and myself, which

823
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody has their own opinion, and you can

824
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: shoot whatever you want on these tags, but I myself

825
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: would rather come home with my tag than shoot a

826
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: two year old deer. Three year old deer, the up

827
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: and comers you call them, because the numbers are struggling,

828
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: the age class is struggling. Myself, I would prefer to

829
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: just come home with my tag then shoot a potential

830
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: better buck.

831
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we even talked about it. You know, a

832
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: lot of this is going a little bit on a tangent,

833
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of guys get caught up on shooting

834
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: a four point, you know, with with pretty forks. And

835
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: me and you just we were some of the last

836
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: tags left. We kind of held out. We started talking

837
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: like we why don't we shoot these more mature deer

838
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: that might be you know, three by fours or back

839
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: fork three points or bucks that you look at that

840
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: aren't gonna score great, But they're older deer. They're bigger

841
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: framed bucks, and that's kind of where we we kind

842
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: of went down that road, like let's just find a

843
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: mature buck. You know, he might not score as well,

844
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: but he's going to be a big old dear.

845
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: He was super interested in that big wide three by

846
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: two that you'd found that we never end up getting

847
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: back to. He struck some interest. I wanted to go

848
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: find him.

849
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: But he was a cool buck, big old main beams.

850
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: He's just a big giant two by three. He was

851
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: probably based on the size of him, was never gonna

852
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: be anything different, you know, big belly, you know, big

853
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: chest on him, swayed back. He was an old old

854
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: deer just was never gonna grow any more points, which

855
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: is actually a great segue into my next topic, which

856
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: is Antler point restrictions. Over there. You had just mentioned

857
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: like you can shoot anything you want over there, right,

858
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: h you know, a year and a half, one and

859
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: a half year old, you know, spikes or two points,

860
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: It's like they're all fair game. And one thing I

861
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about Antler point restrictions is it's a

862
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: management strategy that usually just protects the younger deer. But

863
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: the only problem with it is that it protects those

864
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: younger deer, but then you end up taking out in

865
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: your two and a half three and a half year

866
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: you're better genetic deer. So a lot of these studies,

867
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, there's a great one out of Mississippi State.

868
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: They they actually say your average size goes down when

869
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: you implement an antler restriction. And it makes sense, right,

870
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: because you're now shooting a four point it's two and

871
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: a half year old age because you have to shoot, yeah,

872
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: you have to shoot a four point. And so what

873
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: it does is that knoxies bucks out earlier. And the

874
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: data all shows that you end up shooting less deer

875
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: per year when you implement a restriction like that, because

876
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: you're not always guaranteed that you're going to get a

877
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: shot at those younger deer once they get older. It's

878
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: kind of how the data all. But what I did

879
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: find interesting in the same report is it's like a

880
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: sliding scale. Well, if it's a two point, it's got

881
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: to be fourteen inches wide. If it's a three point,

882
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: it's got to be like you know, and then it's like,

883
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: well shoot as a hunter, like right. It almost it

884
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: puts like the Alaska moosting on you, like you gotta

885
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: be good at guessing.

886
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: You gotta count points and with and hyde and.

887
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that's like in that same report, that's

888
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: like the best way to manage, but be very very

889
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: hard to implement, and like as a hunter, you have

890
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: to be very very sure and then it actually defeats

891
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: a purpose. But you know I heard that today down

892
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: at the meat shop. You know, we're cutting up our

893
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: one tena meal deer and you know a lot of

894
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: those guys antler point restriction, like we don't need to

895
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: let him shoot the two points or the two by

896
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: threes or whatever. And just like the deer we talked about,

897
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: like some of those deer are never gonna be bigger,

898
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: so how do you take out those older deer? And

899
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: that's where that like, well, shoot he was well over

900
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: twenty six inches wide, Like let's shoot him because he

901
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: would on that sliding scale, like yeah, he's a three point,

902
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: but he's this big like mature deer. It's just it's tough.

903
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: It's tough to manage by antler points. You know, we

904
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: get it around here a lot black to hunting because

905
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: you know three point are better, but I'm like, you

906
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: know how many big two points run around here? And

907
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: kind of run the show like we may never we

908
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: may never get a three point or four point to

909
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: breed with some of these giant two points around here,

910
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: So there's got to be a balance. It's just something

911
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: that I wanted to bring up. I don't really know

912
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: how we how we deal with it, or if Antler

913
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: point restrictions make sense. In Montana. I almost feel what

914
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: the genetics they have over there, and they've they've got

915
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: pretty good I don't know what the right word to be.

916
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: They got a pretty genetics. They'll allow them to grow

917
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: threes and fours, you know, pretty regularly. I think we

918
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: need we would need to focus more on the overall

919
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: health of the herd and getting numbers back, and then

920
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: that's just gonna kind of come along. There's gonna be

921
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: enough of them to get to escape every year, and

922
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the correct number a year to hunt,

923
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: you know, other right, the right age and size all right,

924
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: one other. This is just more of an observation. You know,

925
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: We've hunted some different public we hunted some different b

926
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: m as. We got to look into some other private

927
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: there easy to access public or easy access bmas that

928
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: are getting a lot of the pressure right there's how

929
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: do we Is there a way to fix that? Or

930
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: is that just how it's always going to be. You're

931
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: gonna have heavily hunted, heavily pressured areas and then the

932
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: private or the surrounding like harder to reach public is

933
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: going to have to reload those because it seems like

934
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: there's an unequal amount of pressure in some of these

935
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: areas where a lot of hunting pressure here and then

936
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: nothing around there. Or you know, like you guys went

937
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: into some steep public where are people hunting around you

938
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: in the in the flatter stuff, but as soon as

939
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you got in there, there was nobody. Like is there

940
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: any way to manage for that? I don't know if

941
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: there is, or you almost just have to like thank

942
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: the private and the steep stuff around you, like thanks

943
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: for keeping this place loaded up.

944
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I think so, because like you said, I don't know

945
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: how you keep people out of the easy spots per se,

946
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: and how you can manage numbers and disperse numbers. The

947
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: easy spots are always going to get more pressure than

948
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: the harder to get two spots.

949
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've always it's like that whole whole idea,

950
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: like would somebody be willing to go shoot a two

951
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: point on an easy to get to spot, or they'd

952
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: be willing to go shoot a giant four point and

953
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: a very hard to get to spot. I think that

954
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: pour two points in trouble with most people. You know,

955
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: at times it seems like right, and that's that's that

956
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: hard thing. But there it seems like some of the

957
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: easy to access public, easy to access BMA's is just

958
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: being over hunted compared to some of the surrounding stuff,

959
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: which I don't know what the right answer is. It's

960
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: just an observation, like we're seeing it. Deer flighty deer

961
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: seemed to being shot out a little bit more.

962
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: Which the deer they figure it out too. They know

963
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: where the pressure is coming from. And some they'll just

964
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: up and leave those easier access spots and they'll head

965
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: for private or they'll head for those deeper spots.

966
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: So let's talk to talk on one of the things

967
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of always blowing my mind. It's always amazed

968
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: me that Montana allows us to hunt with a deer

969
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: tag and a rifle way into late November. Now, don't

970
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I've taken advantage of it. I love

971
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: the season, but from a conservation that a man side, like,

972
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: it's very concerning, and this is a hunter. It's gonna

973
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: sound weird, but I root for the big bucks at times. Right,

974
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: there's there's a piece of meat.

975
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Everybody loves big Bucks.

976
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a piece of me that wants him to win,

977
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: Like I don't want him to get exposed. I don't

978
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: want that big buck to come out of his crawling.

979
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: Like I like the idea that there are giant bucks

980
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: on the landscape that just don't get shot at. But

981
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like these late season you're you're you're forcing

982
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: his hand, like that buck's gonna do what that buck's

983
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna do. He's gonna rut and those doughs are gonna

984
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: pull him out into danger. They're they're going to be

985
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: vulnerable at some point in the hunt. And you look

986
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: at other states like Wyoming. Wyoming Harley doesn't even give

987
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: you a gun into early October. The majority of their

988
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: deer hunts, Like you're hunting September fifteenth to thirtieth and

989
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: you're done. Or there's a few tags that'll let you

990
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: hunt into September or October fifth, excuse me, Like they

991
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I feel like Montana doesn't like their meal deer. Wyoming

992
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: really liked their meal deer. You know, based on the

993
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: season dates, what do you think I think about Montana's

994
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: like very liberal dates, and we're seeing it more and more.

995
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: You go over there later, what do you see people?

996
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, people people.

997
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: You go over there early. Now I think everybody's figured

998
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: it out, Like you go over there early, not as

999
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: many people in opening everybody most opening days you want

1000
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: to be out there. Not in Montana, you might as

1001
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: well just wait until third fourth, you know, Thanksgiving week.

1002
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Which I can't blame anybody because I love hunting milder

1003
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: during the rut. But at the same time, like the

1004
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: dates are super liberal for not the deer at all,

1005
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 2: Like this deer gets smashed those last couple of weeks

1006
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: of season, and like we've talked about, I don't know,

1007
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: And well, it's been this way for long time. So

1008
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: the numbers obviously have supported it, but I don't know

1009
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: if the quality can keep supporting it, because not only

1010
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 2: do you have a bunch of non resident hunters like us,

1011
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: but all of a sudden, Montana has a whole bunch

1012
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: of new residents.

1013
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, people moving out of some of these states that

1014
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: don't like the rules and the policy. We're not going

1015
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: to get into that, but there's been a lot of

1016
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: people moving to Idaho Montana and so now when you

1017
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: allow every resident to have a deer tag, plus you

1018
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: really haven't moved the non resident numbers because you want

1019
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 1: to collect that payment paycheck. Yeah, you want to collect

1020
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: that big chunk of money. Like I said, you made

1021
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: a great point that it hasn't been a concern to

1022
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: this point, right because it's maintained and we've always had

1023
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: lots of deer to hunt. What concerns me more now

1024
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: about these dates is we're still doing this when it

1025
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: seems like numbers are way down. You know, you talked

1026
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: about age class missing earlier, the upper age class being

1027
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: a little thinned out, and this these late November dates.

1028
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: Which I will say Montana in the past has been

1029
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: pretty good at recognizing when they have a problem. And

1030
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: I remember years ago when they would have bad winners,

1031
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: they'd cut all dough tags until they get their numbers back.

1032
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 2: But now numbers are down, maybe this is the year

1033
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: they adjust. But in some of the proposals they have

1034
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: out there, yeah, they kind of are. I know they're

1035
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,959
Speaker 2: they're talking about making some units drah Yep.

1036
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great segue because we're gonna kind of

1037
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: finish on that. So with all of this gloom and doom,

1038
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, we had a we had a

1039
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: great Meal to Your Hunt. It just was a lot

1040
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: more effort than normal.

1041
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: Which was which was fine.

1042
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not complaining it just it wasn't the same.

1043
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: We've got lots of reports. We know a lot of

1044
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: people that go to Montana, a lot of people that

1045
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: go the same spot we do, uh, and the reports

1046
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: were just dismal. And I was I'd never been this

1047
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: worried going into Montana Meal your Hunt because it's usually

1048
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: my favorite hunt. It's pretty stress free, it's just a

1049
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Seemed to be a real down year.

1050
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: And then you talk to guys that I would consider,

1051
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, good or a lot of boots on the ground.

1052
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: You know, you got your your lampers, your Ranella, your Callahan's,

1053
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: you know all those guys, and just the same reports biologists,

1054
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, what are we gonna do? And so

1055
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: some of their proposals. Currently it's gonna suck if I

1056
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: don't get the hunt as much in Montana. But for

1057
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: the sake of the year. Maybe you do this for

1058
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and like you said, if Montana

1059
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: is good, it switching back and forth and they don't

1060
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: like collecting the you know, a bigger paycheck from special

1061
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: draws should be positive for the deer. So we've heard

1062
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: a few different things, making certain regions or areas draw only.

1063
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: We've seen some proposals where some units might only be

1064
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: general for the first two weeks and then in order

1065
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: to be able to hunt into the late November, like

1066
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: we just talked about, you would have to draw a

1067
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: special tag which would take your your deer bonus points

1068
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: in order to hunt. I think it would be positive

1069
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: for quality. Now, if you're looking at it from a

1070
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: quantity standpoint and an opportunity standpoint, it's not as great, right.

1071
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: You're trying to check all these boxes like how do

1072
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: you maximize quality of deer? How do you maximize the

1073
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: quantity of deer? How do you maximize your opportunity? You're

1074
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: taking a hit a little bit. But I would like

1075
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: to see until things get stabilized, maybe go into the

1076
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: system and then hopefully Montana fishing wildlife like reevaluates and

1077
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: maybe says we can go back away from the system,

1078
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: like don't just stick it and leave it.

1079
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: Yep, And like we talked, like all these are proposals

1080
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: right now for next year. So if you have concerns

1081
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: or any interest in Montane Milia at all, go on

1082
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: their website comment what you want to see? Now is

1083
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: the time to do it?

1084
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your Yeah, what was your experience? What do

1085
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: you know? What have you seen in the past, what

1086
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: do you want to see in the future. I think

1087
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: as sportsmen we need to be a little more active

1088
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: and not just you know, reactive after decisions get made.

1089
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: And so yeah, jump on there, voice your opinion. Like

1090
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: I say, Montana Mildeer is still a great it's a

1091
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: great opportunity. I just feel after this year's hunt and

1092
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: everything we heard and reports we're hearing, it just it

1093
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: concerns me a little bit, right you You you love,

1094
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: you love the resource, you love the opportunity, you love

1095
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: the hunt there. But I'd like to see it stay positive.

1096
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: You know. My my boys, your boys a little maybe

1097
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: one or two more trips away. My boys just getting

1098
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: into it and loves us hunt. He he. He struggles

1099
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: hunting around home here in Washington. When he gets to

1100
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: go to Montana and see that many deer, and he

1101
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: he won't hike around here, don't He doesn't mind going

1102
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: on a six mile hike there, just because you get

1103
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: to see all these cool things and see he can

1104
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: spot his own deer and and it's just it's a

1105
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: different experience for him, and we really appreciate it. But uh, yeah,

1106
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: that was that's kind of a recap. It was a

1107
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: little bit more of a of a complaining or just

1108
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: a concern I guess about Montana meal deer. And I

1109
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: know it's it's gonna be easy for a body to

1110
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: be you know, if you could talk back to me like, well,

1111
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: you guys are the problem, I might trust me. I

1112
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: I try to respect the resource as much as I can.

1113
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: I I search for specific deer that that kind of

1114
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: that that scratch my itch that I have for meal deer.

1115
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: For all the people that hate us Washington hunters. Those

1116
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: are those tags are going to go to somebody.

1117
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's got a plates coming. And I promise we

1118
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: won't shoot the little ones at least until well maybe

1119
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: my kids, maybe our youth will, but I promise I will.

1120
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: I will take my tag home. And I think from

1121
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: now on. Dirk had a great point. We're just gonna

1122
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: go there and then fly in and rent a truck

1123
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: with Montana plates on it. I think it's going to

1124
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: be uh.

1125
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: I feel like we get a lot less.

1126
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: No, it's it is what it is. I I do.

1127
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like, man, all the Washington plates you running

1128
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: around and now Minnesota plates running around there. It's just

1129
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: but like Tyson said, somebody's gonna hunt a non resident tag,

1130
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: somebody might as well have it, and is there somebody's

1131
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna have it, and it might as well be me.

1132
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm pretty glad when it's me.

1133
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but no, that's that's our montaned meal deary recap.

1134
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: We had a great time. We're very successful, even though

1135
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: it sounds like we would have ever seen a deer

1136
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: the way we just talked about.

1137
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: To think about it. But yeah, it was a great trip.

1138
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great trip. Really appreciate having you

1139
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: on here. Tyson. You're taking off. We're both switching the

1140
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: whitetail mode. Now you're heading Didah. I'm heading to Kansas,

1141
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: a little bit different style hunt. You're gonna be more

1142
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: spot in stock glass and I'm gonna be tied to

1143
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: a tree. But I look forward to seeing how you

1144
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: guys do, and once again, always always have a blast

1145
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: when we get the meal to your hunt. Together, we

1146
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: hunt a lot the same we we we dig deep

1147
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: and try to make sure we kill some respective respective bucks,

1148
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: and I think we accomplished that on this hunt, even

1149
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: though it was a lot tougher than years past. Absolute

1150
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: all right, take care of good luck on that white

1151
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: toil hunt.

1152
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: Thank you.