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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am Tutor Dixon, and I'm glad you're joining me today.

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Speaker 1: I have an interesting episode for you today because today

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Speaker 1: in this podcast, we're actually going to go through a

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Speaker 1: than most people that have been in the political world

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Speaker 1: on the Republican side, I would say because I had

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Speaker 1: kind of a unique campaign, and that is because I

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Speaker 1: am one of the candidates that ran for office while

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Speaker 1: we were going through roeby Wade getting overturned. And so

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Speaker 1: today we'll be talking about abortion. Many of you probably

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Speaker 1: know that when people look back at the gubernatorial race

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Speaker 1: was the deciding factor. And I think that to almost

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Speaker 1: certain extent that is the case. That's what pushed people

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Speaker 1: unpack exactly what happened in the movement and what I

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Speaker 1: see the answer is for Republicans going forward on the

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Speaker 1: discussion of abortion, because we learned a lot here in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and I think that if you learn that much, you

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Speaker 1: certainly should share it. So let me go through a

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Speaker 1: little bit about how what it was like on my

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Speaker 1: through and we're discussing where we stand on certain issues.

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Speaker 1: And of course you've all heard that I'm pro life,

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Speaker 1: and I have my reasons for that. But what you

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Speaker 1: is that I wasn't always a pro life person. I

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Speaker 1: explain to people who don't understand folks on the pro

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Speaker 1: and that is that in my high school, we learned

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Speaker 1: woman's right to choose, and so people were taught, I mean,

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Speaker 1: as young women, we were taught like you're a part

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Speaker 1: it legal for you to vote, and make it legal

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Speaker 1: for you to make this choice about your health care.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't about killing a baby or getting rid of

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Speaker 1: And I think this is something other people need to

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Speaker 1: I mean literally of death. They're looking at you and

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Speaker 1: saying you want to kill babies. That's not That is

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Speaker 1: not the hearts of the people. The hearts of the people.

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Speaker 1: We have to protect this right, and we lost that

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Speaker 1: culture war. We have opportunities to go back and support life,

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Speaker 1: but it's going to be a series of battles. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be a series of small battles, and we

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Speaker 1: have to accept that it is okay to win battles

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Speaker 1: along the way. I will support anyone who says, look,

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Speaker 1: we went from twenty four to twenty six weeks, and

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Speaker 1: we got it down to twelve, just like we see

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Speaker 1: in most European countries. We got it down to ten.

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Speaker 1: And now we're going to offer childcare, and now we're

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Speaker 1: going to come around people with child tax credits. And

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Speaker 1: now we're going to come around people and say it's

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Speaker 1: going to be easier to adopt. And why don't we

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Speaker 1: start fighting rape because in Michigan we are the top

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Speaker 1: five for rapes per capita in the United States. How

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Speaker 1: does it help us to have the most a radical

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Speaker 1: abortion law in the country. It's like a free pass

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Speaker 1: for people to continue doing this. Why are we not

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Speaker 1: fighting back on the criminals who are going after women

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Speaker 1: and putting them in this position. But there's also that

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Speaker 1: scared teenager. There is also that woman who doesn't know

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Speaker 1: how she'll make her the ends meet with another child.

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Speaker 1: Those stories are real, and we need to understand that

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Speaker 1: we are not winning over the hearts of people by

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Speaker 1: pulling out our scroll and telling them that we know

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Speaker 1: the law better. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll

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Speaker 1: continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast Words of Life.

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Speaker 1: It's so important that we start talking this way, that

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Speaker 1: we change this movement in a way that we start

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Speaker 1: to win back people over for family. And I mean

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Speaker 1: it so sincerely that I think that more people will live,

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Speaker 1: more babies will live, more families will thrive if we

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Speaker 1: as conservatives come around and start speaking words of life

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Speaker 1: into this movement, support into this movement, and we say

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a heart issue, not just

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Speaker 1: a political issue. It's a tough conversation to have. I

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Speaker 1: learned a lot on the campaign trail. There was this

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Speaker 1: one point when they asked me about the abortion pill

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Speaker 1: on the radio, and I will tell you I thought

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Speaker 1: they were talking about Plan B and I said, well,

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Speaker 1: Plan B will always be available because it's a contraceptive.

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Speaker 1: And I got a call right after that radio interview.

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Speaker 1: You have to go back on the air and explain this.

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Speaker 1: Do you not know what the abortion pill is? And honestly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't, And I've talked to young women since then

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Speaker 1: who didn't know what the abortion pill was either, because

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Speaker 1: I had only ever heard of that and I'm obviously

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Speaker 1: somebody who's older now and I'm not having children at

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Speaker 1: this point in my life, so I was not aware

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Speaker 1: of what the abortion pill was. So the abortion pill

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Speaker 1: is a pill that you've seen in the news lately

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Speaker 1: because the FDA has gone back and forth on whether

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Speaker 1: or not they're going to relook at it and see

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Speaker 1: if it's truly safe. And the reason people have asked

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Speaker 1: if it's truly safe is that you can take this pills,

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Speaker 1: two pills. You can take it up to eleven weeks.

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Speaker 1: And so you take the first pill and that suffocates

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Speaker 1: and essentially kills the baby, and then you take the

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Speaker 1: second pill. And this is all at home. This is

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Speaker 1: not under the supervision of a doctor at a hospital.

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Speaker 1: This is at home. In fact, the real complaint is

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Speaker 1: that this is now legal to mail to people, and

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Speaker 1: you could mail it across state lines, but you could

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Speaker 1: just call up the doctor and have it mailed to you.

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Speaker 1: And so again you have the sex traffics sex trafficking

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Speaker 1: concern because how do we really know who this is

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Speaker 1: going to and who's taking this pill? But also you're

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Speaker 1: going into labor at home. And so I will give

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Speaker 1: Life News credit on this because they posted a video

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Speaker 1: of a young woman who explained that she didn't know

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Speaker 1: what this was going to do. She thought she would

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Speaker 1: lead and that would be it. It would be like

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Speaker 1: a period, but she said she decided she waited. She

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Speaker 1: got it at seven weeks. She was actually hoping that

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend would change his mind. And then at ten

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Speaker 1: weeks she took it. And she tells through tears that

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Speaker 1: she woke up to the stabbing pain about five am. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because labor is incredibly painful. So she's going into labor

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Speaker 1: and she's giving birth to a baby that has dyed.

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Speaker 1: And she said she gave birth in the toilet and

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Speaker 1: looked down and was shocked to see a baby there.

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Speaker 1: It was haunting to listen to this girl tell the story.

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Speaker 1: That was what I didn't know about the abortion pill.

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Speaker 1: When they asked me about the abortion pill, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that you could just order it in the mail.

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Speaker 1: You could have an abortion at home, under no supervision

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Speaker 1: of a doctor, as a young woman in your house.

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Speaker 1: She said. She bled for days after that and just

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Speaker 1: laid in bed. There's nothing easy about abortion. We are

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Speaker 1: in this world of absolutes. We have the one side

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Speaker 1: that says, absolutely, don't do it. You'll figure out a

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Speaker 1: way you can give your baby up. You can keep

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Speaker 1: your baby. Just keep your baby. The other side that says,

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Speaker 1: get a cake, celebrate it, have a party, talk about

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Speaker 1: your abortion. Neither of those is reality. Those people who

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Speaker 1: go through the abortion, it's hard. There's pain afterward, there's

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Speaker 1: anguish after that. The people who don't, who choose life,

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Speaker 1: they adopt out their baby, they keep their baby. It's hard.

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Speaker 1: These are hard issues that we are making light of

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Speaker 1: in elections when these are heart issues we need to

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Speaker 1: be working on in different ways. So I encourage all

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Speaker 1: of you out there, no matter what side you're on,

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Speaker 1: step away from the absolute. Hear what young women are saying,

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Speaker 1: stop going out there and saying women want to kill

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Speaker 1: their babies. And if you're on the side where you're

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Speaker 1: shouting your abortion and celebrating it, stop doing that too,

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Speaker 1: because you're giving a false idea of what this actually is,

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Speaker 1: how harmful this actually is to someone's heart. Both sides

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Speaker 1: are making a mistake. We've got to start talking about

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Speaker 1: this in a different way. And I'll end by saying this.

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Speaker 1: We have people that are making light of this and

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Speaker 1: making this a political issue. We have people on the

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Speaker 1: left who are asking folks to join them and celebrate abortions,

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Speaker 1: and we have people on the right that are asking

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Speaker 1: them to join them and say, you absolutely won't do this,

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Speaker 1: you absolutely protect this in all ways. I'm asking you,

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Speaker 1: if this is near and dear to your heart, talk

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Speaker 1: to people, talk through this. Do not make this something

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Speaker 1: that you're going to hold a candidate to. You're going

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Speaker 1: to destroy a political campaign over. I saw an article

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Speaker 1: from a life group where somebody was quoted saying, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather never see a Republican win again than have them

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Speaker 1: given incheon life. The idea that one person can stand

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Speaker 1: in the way that a human can part the sea.

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Speaker 1: On this you're wrong. It's not up to a person

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Speaker 1: to part the sea. God is asking you to listen

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Speaker 1: to the people. I promise you he wouldn't have let

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Speaker 1: Prop three pass in Michigan if he wasn't trying to

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Speaker 1: send a message that we are not winning over the hearts,

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Speaker 1: the heart and hearts of the people, and that we

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Speaker 1: need to change our approach. I'd love to talk about

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Speaker 1: it more. I know that this is probably going to

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Speaker 1: be a big shock to people out there, but it's

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Speaker 1: an issue that's going to come up in this race.

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Speaker 1: We already see people going after Donald Trump. Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: he's the bad guy now. He's pro choice. And Ron

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Speaker 1: De Santis is six weeks that he passed the heartbeat bill.

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Speaker 1: He's right. Watch what happens. This is going to be

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Speaker 1: really interesting. Donald Trump got these justices appointed to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Everything that the pro life movement wanted was

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Speaker 1: to get these justices appointed to the Supreme Court to

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Speaker 1: overturn Roe v. Wade. But now Donald Trump is the

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Speaker 1: bad guy because he said, well, I would let the

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Speaker 1: states choose. They want somebody to come in and say, federally,

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Speaker 1: we are going to do We're going to with the

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Speaker 1: mark of a pen. With the swift move of a pen,

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Speaker 1: we are going to change the way people think about abortion.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's not going to happen. There are

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Speaker 1: battles along the way. If you think you have a

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Speaker 1: savior that is going to come in and dictate this

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Speaker 1: from the White House, you may be in for an

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Speaker 1: another twenty twenty twenty twenty two. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a rough ride, So go off into the distance. I

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Speaker 1: suggest you speak words of life. You think about when

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Speaker 1: you're speaking words of death. We come around families. It's

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Speaker 1: about time we get that back. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to me on this very hard subject of abortion. As

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Speaker 1: usual for this episode and others, you can go to

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Speaker 1: the tutordisonpodcast dot com. Subscribe right there and make sure

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Speaker 1: you join us the next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Go out there and speak words of life. Everyone. Thanks