WEBVTT - #113 - Desto Dubb 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.920 Boulet Kap Podcast Special Guests. Man, my guy Desto is here, man, 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:08.000 what's up? Welcome, Welcome, welcome offul lot of it. Yes, Saisky, Hey, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.920 it's crazy man, because uh, we were just talking off 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:17.400 camera about how the pandemic really changed changed things for 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.279 you and I. Right, so you would you know, for 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.160 people who don't know, I think a lot of people 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.639 kind of got hipps you originally because you were you 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.440 were kind of like Pump's la guy. Yes, sir, so 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.600 like peak a little pump. You were always with Pump 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.839 and you had always had that's an awful awful lot 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.120 of cough syrup. Started with the Dickey shit, right, well, 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.600 I had. I started with like a T shirt that 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.320 I made, you know what I mean. It's just's a 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.360 T shirt that I made. I got really started. I 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.240 got arrested it like probably like five four years ago 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.159 or whatever. The cop pulled me out the car and 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:51.760 he said, hey, that's an awful lot of cough shirt 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.559 because he found all the pints in the backseat of 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.800 the car, you know what I mean. And then from 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.160 then on, it's just like it's just always being like 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.080 this viral clip. And then I always made clothes. So 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.120 one day I'm just like, you know, I'm steadily like 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.000 bleaching and tie dwying other people's clothes and trying to 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:08.800 like do stuff to other people's stuff. But I never 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.360 had nothing that was mine. And then I literally was 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.080 just there one day like bro, why don't I just 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.840 put this on the shirt? Like just that's an awful 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.560 lot of coughs. So and then ever since then, it's 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.280 just I put it on the shirt. Started with one 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.600 T shirt I used to catch the bus to the 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.000 slass and swap meat. You know, I'll get them heat 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.720 pressed on, like twelve shirts, give away ten sell to 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.880 the two I made, I'll use two hours sold. I'll 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.039 use that money to make some more. Damn. And it's 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.399 crazy too because like during that era, like that was 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.520 really like that was when like leen was really booming, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.160 the drug use in hip hop. I mean it still is, right, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.440 but I mean like it was like, yeah, it was 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.600 like really booming. But it's crazy that that all kind 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.279 of started from an actual interaction you had from getting arrested. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.760 Nigga turned the negative to the positive people. Yeah no, wow, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.360 did you end up doing time or over that? No? No, no, no, 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.720 I got a lawyer. I got everything situated. Kind of 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.480 was like a dad reject. But I don't know where 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.800 that came from. This isn't even in my car, bro, 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.960 I'm using somebody else's car. Did y'all plint that there? 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.960 I have no regulation that that was ever there. That's 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.280 It's a beautiful thing, man. But you know, I know 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.520 you had like an option. There was a point in 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.480 time where you could have went on the road a 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.320 little pump, but instead you didn't. Right, yeah, well, you know, 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.600 it just got to a point where like me and 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.320 Pum was so close because he was literally like you 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.560 know when you booming at first, and as an artist, 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.840 La is like the capital of the music game, you 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.600 know what I mean. You know, you can do more 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.120 here in a month than you can, I mean in 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.960 a day that you can do anywhere else in a month. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.040 You know. So he was living out here, he was 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:43.600 being out here a lot, and I just, you know, 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.640 always messed with him because he always like a good dude, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.200 you know what I mean, a good kid. Actually he 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.799 wasn't even a child, like fifteen, yeah, you know what 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.800 I mean. I'm just knowing these La streets and how 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.840 they are. I just told him like, you know, like, Bro, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.680 I don't want nothing from you at all, never have 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.360 I never take anything. I don't want nothing. I just 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.440 want to make sure you safe, bro, Like make sure 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.040 you're safe. Because we were just coming off the No 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.200 Jumper tour and that's when I literally they was on tour. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.720 I bought a van, filled it up with merch. You 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.400 just followed the tour all the way around. And that 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.239 was super early because that was even before No Jumper 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.400 had really really blown up. Adam Super him Super Adam 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.200 was a cam girl on that girl. Everybody Smoke Purp 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.760 Pump Yeah, yeah, all of them, and it's yeah, no, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.840 that's crazy, like because that was before Pump was even 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.280 Pump because I met That's when the big one, because 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.600 I met Pump at uh my homie trap Zilla's crib 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.720 and in Panoramic City Trap because they used to go 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.200 over to the Traps house and pick up packs and 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:41.840 like you would go over there and they'd be like 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.280 all these little viral kids that yeah, like fucking six 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.360 or nine or Pump or smoke Purp or fat Nick 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.920 or whoever the fuck germ. Like it was like, bro, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.360 that it was like the SoundCloud Castle it was like, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.120 what is that one show a movie called Speaker City 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:03.480 or something. It just fucking pounds a weed everywhere, fucking dogs, kids, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.320 all kinds of wild shit going on in Panorama City. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.440 And I met Little Pump and I was like, Yo, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.720 this is crazy because this is like a child like kid. Bro. Bro. Yeah, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.520 it was a wild like time. But you know, I 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.560 just talked to I had fat Nick up here a 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.680 few days ago, and I told him. I was like, hey, bro, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.120 not for nothing. But whenever I talk about twenty seventeen twenty, 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.880 like in the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, I 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.279 was kind of referred to it as like the Dark 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.799 Age of hip hop. It was like when like half 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.760 emo half hip hop. It was like, yeah, it was that. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.760 And it was also the age of like people were 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.600 just getting signed over ig antics. Like there was like yo, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.640 I think Supreme Patty got a record deal. You know 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:52.440 what I'm saying. Like there was like it was it 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.640 was the dark Age for the music industry because there 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.479 was so much bullshit that was getting signed. Like think 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.000 about what was that kid's name that we talked aout 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.000 out who said he was a clone like kid Boo 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.400 got a fucking record deal and his music is terrible, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.760 like he got it was just so much shit, and 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.680 you know what it was was everyone was trying to 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.320 get the next pump. They realized at that time that, Okay, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.200 we're looking for people that make music to build them 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.440 a fan base. When we have these kids that's on 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:26.240 Instagram that already have fan bases. They have followers. Followers 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.839 equals fans sometimes sometimes not always well back then, yeah, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.400 sometimes at that time, if you had a million or 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.520 not even a million, you could have three hundred thousand, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.400 but your antics was getting you twenty thousand a week, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.280 ten thousand a week. You know, your your engagements, that's 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.640 what they're looking at, your engagements, your followers, how many 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.320 followers you get it? How many people are watching this post? 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.799 And they were just the same thing with YouTube, same 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.800 thing with my Space. People were getting signed off of 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.960 these things Instagram. Like you'd be like, dude, Like it'd 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.800 be like guy that guy like little nar right, who's 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.760 a good dude. Right, But he would just do wild 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.839 shit on ig and got a record deal because he 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.560 was just blowing ship up and firing bazookas and just 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.919 do it all kind of ill shit, And it was like, man, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:12.560 like what happens when the music doesn't match? The fuck shit? 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.200 Because if eventually you got to come through with that music, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.920 eventually do and some people you can't just keep out 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.560 doing yourself on Instagram because you're going yourself out. Yeah, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.240 you're gonna end up like the what was that? Dude? 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:25.840 Did John Cabana do? What was What do you think 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.719 about Boom Gang? You end up like that fucking guy. 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.760 You know what I'm saying, Like went too crazy? Went 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.000 too crazy? But it's crazy because you were really a 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.240 part of that whole era integrate. You were there, bro, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.640 I was there orchestrated, making sure they were straight, making 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.760 sure they didn't take too much of that, do too 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.680 much of this, you know what I mean? Like I 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.000 was around all of them. That's when I like, people 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.640 don't know I did tattoos, so like you know a 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.200 lot of these kids, Like I tatted Boom Gang face 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.120 before I tied it pump Face, I was tied at 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.160 Smoke Purp. I tied a lot of people. I even 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.320 tatt at Nipsey, So like a lot of these people, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.560 like when that phase was going on, I was going 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.480 around them selling them probably probably going around and doing 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.479 the tattoos, you know what I mean, going around, you know, 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.560 selling them my merch or giving them my merch because 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.240 if they wear it and they got a fan base, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.480 it's a movie. What what was it like kind of 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.440 being the adult in the room in that in a 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.760 lot of those situations, just really like bro y'all tripping. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.520 There's just a lot of brain y'all trippings, like you 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:23.960 know what I mean, Like I would part take in 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.440 certain stuff, but it was really like even though I 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.880 was the adult, they really like pump bro. He had 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.440 this Instagram shit broke down to a science, Like to 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.120 a science. You'll think he was just no I'm doing this. No, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.880 he knew that, like if I did this with that, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.080 then this would happen. Yeah, he got hisself signed off 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.720 on Instagram, you know what I mean, Like he knew 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.320 how to get the people to watch videos like we done. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.320 Literally sat down and spend like an hour or two 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.200 just creating a scenario just so that he can make 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.760 a fucking thirty second video the post that'd go viral. Know, 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.559 that's how he went from a couple of one hundred 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.160 thousand followers to like seventeen million. Mm hmm. It happened fast, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.640 you know what I mean, happened Every antique or something 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.720 that he would do, it will blow him up. He'll 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.040 get more followers, he'll get more fans, He'll get more engagements, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.760 He'll get more money. Everybody can't relate Instagram into money. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:24.760 He's actually transferring them likes, views, engagements into actual hard cash. 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.760 What do you think, like, because obviously Pump is still 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.480 going to be able to make money off of music forever, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.439 or at least off off of being a little Pump. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.880 But I think that like the potential of Pump and 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:41.160 where he is now probably aren't where we all thought 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.920 it was going to end up, right, where do you 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.040 think like Pump, shit kind of went left for him. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.000 Like I'm not saying he's like down down bad or anything, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.199 but you know him and Purp, Like obviously that I 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.320 assume Pump was going to be a superstar. You know 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:59.280 what happened Pump? Like, honestly, he records every day, every 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.319 time I call him, records every day. He stopped putting 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.400 out music, like you know, like he has a fan base, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.400 bro Like he hasn't. He has this star power about him. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.360 That if anybody between a certain age sees him or 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.320 those of them a week later, they're gonna be mimicking 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.920 something that he does, you know what I mean. So 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.760 when he went to music, this is why I'll be 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.079 trying to get around to too. When he Like a 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.240 lot of people put energy into what they want, you 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.040 know what I mean. You want to be a rapper, 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.200 you want to be this, You're gonna put energy into it. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.600 But if you take that same energy and put it 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.480 into anything else, you probably be way more you know, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.840 up than what you think you was. So like he 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.680 was recording the stuff, but he wasn't putting the music out. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.719 So it was just like, you know, it's just like 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.600 working out every day, but not like like just being 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.960 in the house. You're not it's not going to anything 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.560 when and when you're not feeding those fans, you're not 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.960 feeding fans. They go to rapers and they want music. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.720 Bro Like, even it good, bad, whatever it is, you 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.679 just gotta keep pumping it out. I feel like six ' 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.920 nine benefited from Pump kind of stopping putting out as 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.800 much music because he started putting on because he was 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.079 kind of like an evolution of what Pump was doing 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.960 on the internet. Yeah, but he just went south because 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.760 he went super gangster. But exactly, he just went super solid. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.199 He like went super gangster when it was like, were 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.280 you around six nine at all? Back? Like I did 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.200 like a show before because I know he was in 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.680 la a lot. Yeah he was, but like I wasn't 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.280 really around them, and that even feel me like already 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.319 at that point, I was just making sure Pump was 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.199 straight at all times. How's your relationship with Pump now? Oh, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.240 we're great. I can FaceTime right now. Pick up on 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.360 the first call he caused me asks about my daughter. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.880 You know, every time he has a show. You asked 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.559 me if I want to go, like, bro, we're going 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.240 to Dubai. I'm like, man, I can't go to my 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.360 wife will start tripping. I just jump up. He can 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.520 go to Dubai with a little pump today, you know 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.680 what I mean. I'm gonna go to Dubai next week. No, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.880 you're not. And I got a newborn now, so it's like, 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.760 you know, I got daddy duties. I remember there was 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.600 a certain point in time where you obviously being associated 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:09.640 with being the lean guy. You know. I know the 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.920 first rapper that I saw kind of come out as 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.800 someone who I knew every time I would see was 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.440 that was fucking high off his ass was Mazzi. Mazzie 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.160 did to kick the cup ship, right yeah. And I 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.000 know some people were like, man, that's corny whatever, but 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:26.560 I thought it was dope. But I remember when you 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.839 posted that, I was like, this is big man, because 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.959 you got it. You got a whole different grip on 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.760 some of these kids and the and the way they 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.040 look up to you, And I know that that's not 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.720 an easy thing to stay off of them. I mean, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.040 I'm not saying you people don't. People don't relapse, they 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.800 don't fuck up or because that's a hard like whether 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.000 you do it or you don't, the biggest part is 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.319 not to do it in the public, not to glorify it, right, yeah, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.040 like not to like like honestly, brot, I could sit 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.760 right here, take a picture, promoted my album, do whatever 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.280 promoted my clothes. It'd do whatever to do. Now if 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.320 I was to put a bottle of lean a double 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.760 cup or actually put me pouring Tolean while I'm telling 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:10.600 something like three hundred four hundred thousand more views than 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.360 than percent more views than the regular one. But the 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.360 thing again. It's like, Bro, like I'm not just trying 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.840 to like, you know, I got brothers. So when I 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.640 see my little brother pouring up, you know, spending his 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.400 money on trying to sib and it's like these kids 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.920 don't know what they doing. They can they grabbing anything 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.880 and just pouring it in a soda. And that's when 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.640 I kind of stepped back from just like you know, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.480 glorifying it or like putting it out there, you know 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.600 what I mean? I also feel like you look a 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:40.160 lot healthier, man. He bro that like people don't really know, 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.439 like that shit really takes you over. Like I went 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.319 from like one hundred and eventy pounds to like two 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.960 point fifty, like you know what I mean you was saying. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.240 He was like, Bro, I had to get off that 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.240 shit because I was getting fat. Bro, you get so 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.320 big and it's not even a lean, it's the soda 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.280 because you're drinking so much soda. You can getting so 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.920 much soda bout two three four five twenty ounces a day, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.840 a two liter to two leaders a day. All that's 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.960 going in your face, going in your body, and then 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.240 it sucks up your inside, bro, like to a point 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.280 where like I was using the restroom and it was blood. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.200 Oh wow, Like like they don't tell you about that part, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.280 Like you'll be spitting it to be blood and you'll 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.600 spit you know, and that's normal. Like that's normal, and 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.680 it's like, no, bro, this can't be. How was it 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.160 hard to because you know, obviously with any sort of 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.720 opiate it's not the easiest thing. Oh yeah, it's hard, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.400 but then you just kind of like get through withdraws. Yeah, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.080 you get through it. It's like I'm not saying you 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.360 just go cold turkey. That's when it fucks you up, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.360 but you go from you might go to the hospital. Yeah, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.440 you're pouring a pine to day that like you know, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.640 now I'm only doing like you'll do like an eight 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.800 to day. Then from there you'll just do like a 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.960 cup whenever your stomach start really hurting. And then after 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.559 that you just kind of like tone it down to 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.679 where you probably only sipping like once a day. Then 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.400 you sip in like once a week. Then it's like 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.880 you really don't even sip like that. Yeah, I feel 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.040 like too, like that era of hip hop where the 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.400 drug use and the lean use was ultra glorified then 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.160 I mean fetanol was always a thing I feel like 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.880 now it's really Yeah, that's another thing that slows you 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.440 down on a lot of that shit, like you around 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.439 awake a dead yeah, but they don't be putting the 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.840 fitting all in the drink. But it's just like the 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.520 prices of drink so high, and then the price to 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.000 drink so how you go to pills to try to 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.000 get the matter pills and then the pills is fake laced, 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:22.720 you know what I mean. You don't know what you 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.960 get nowadays you get so it just kind of just 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.120 best to just stay away from all that shit. Bro 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.480 So talk about you know, because for people who don't 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:38.120 know you took the clothing brand from being downtown setting 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.120 up shop in your van, that was always getting how 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.240 many times did this van get broken into? Bruh? Then 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.440 you're broken into at least like two or three times 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.240 a month, which has got that man, because that's the thing. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.640 I stayed in the apartment building, and apartment building didn't 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.320 have parking for the van. It's only you know, it 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.000 only had car parking. So I will park next door 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.400 to my apartment building in the parking lot. And it 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.600 was an open public parking lot that you could just 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.640 pay and park your car, and then I would sit 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.600 there all day grinding, and then at night. You gotta understand, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.960 half of the break ins was just smokers. Just a 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.040 smoker who probably walked past during the day. See this 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.240 motherfucker jumping come back at night. It ain't nobody there now. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.440 They trying to pry their way up in there. And 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.520 crazy part. I had to reinforce. I had the back 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.280 door reinforce. I had, you know, these vands to go 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.800 seat and it's open, so I had like a cage. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.200 I literally built the cage where I kept all the merchandise. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.680 Didn't stop them. They'll break into it just to try 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.200 to steal some pennies out of the fucking cup holder. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.480 You know, a shirt that's damaged just sitting in the front. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.600 You know, shirts are like one hundred and twenty dollars, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.800 So they breaking in trying to get a sock if 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.800 they could. They don't care, no, But you were pretty 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:51.360 much setting up shop downtown, hustling out the van. Walk 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.520 me through the progression on how you grew the business too, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.920 cause you have you don't have the downtown space anymore. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.920 That was like temporary, right, what you're like a retail 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.120 space downtown. Oh you still got it. So you have that, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.080 and you got Melrose so you got two locations, two 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.600 point five two point five, three locations. That's crazy. So 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.840 kind of walk me through how the brand really blew, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.440 because I feel like it really really happened. It was 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.440 always a thing where we would see people wearing it, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.560 would see like Adam wearing it or Pump wearing it. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.720 But like now it's like a legitimate like you said, man, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.800 like you know, it was important for you to come 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.040 up here and explain to people that you don't got 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.480 to sell drugs or play ball, none of that. Like 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.800 this is my thing, This is my whole testimony. This 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.440 is what I want everybody to know. You do the 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.600 same energy that these kids, these grown men, these women, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.400 any person is putting into trying to play a sport, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.440 which the likely the likeliness of you making it into 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.480 impossible impossible. You know, but you spend like you spend 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.160 so much money, so much time, so much effort trying 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.600 to be a basketball player, trying to be a football player, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.320 trying to play this, play soccer, play whatever. You spend 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.880 so much time trying to be a rapper, trying to 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.480 be a singer playing for versus paying for studio time, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.480 paying for engineers traveling back and forth to the studio. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.920 If you put that same energy into a business, whether 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.920 it's you could put that same energy into selling shoe strings. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.240 Now I'm going to shoot. Now, I'm going to come 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.400 every shoe convention selling every person there my shoe strings. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.800 You know, I'm making different shoe strings for different days, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.680 different holidays. You know, if you put that same energy 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.840 into making a business, you'll win. Now, how I started was, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.440 like I said, it came to the point where Pump 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.240 was moving out La. He moved back to Miami. You 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.800 know Adam, you know he still had no jumper, but 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.960 he closed down the store and he moved to Burbank 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.159 where he was just doing podcasts. So it's like, do 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.800 I want to just you know, jump into the field 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.720 and stay right with at him. Do I want to 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.360 go to Miami stay riding with Pump? And It's like, no, 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.320 I got it. I'm about to stay here in LA 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.200 and start from the ground up. Because once people don't 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.640 understand what you hanging out with these high profile artists, 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.360 even if you're their best friend, that's buddy, that's still 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.720 their money, not yours. Facts. Yeah you get free stuff, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.960 Yeah you get a piece or something. You hit the 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.040 perks of it, but it's still theirs, right, Like I 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.280 can tell you from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, I 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.679 would roll in nothing less than a Mercedes beans. It 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.680 wasn't mine, you know what I mean. I had new clothes, shoes, everything, 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.000 but I didn't pay for them. I would go to 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.639 the store with somebody and they'll buy like twenty thousand 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.560 dollars worth of stuff, buy me two or three pair 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.920 of shoes, buy me a shirt and some pants. Now 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.439 that's more than most people, but it's still not me 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.280 with my heart earned cash. Because when I leave them, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.199 I don't have shit. So when he decided to leave, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.960 I just decided to stay here. And it basically started 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.159 with I knew I had this product that people wanted. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.440 I had about eighty thousand followers. So I'm like, if 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.400 I can just sell one or two hoodies a day, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.520 which is about two three hundred dollars a day, then 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.359 that's eating, you know what I mean. So I hired 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.760