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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. We're starting this podcast off with some

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Speaker 1: news that Ben just informed me about, Like crapply, he

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Speaker 1: just found a black widow, just like right now, found

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Speaker 1: a black widow yure right now, right before we press

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Speaker 1: the record, Yeah, I did. Do you know how scared

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Speaker 1: I am most spiders, let alone one that is actually poisonous,

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Speaker 1: Like you could die, I could have. Yeah, I guess well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm a big guy, but like my puppy,

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Speaker 1: my wife's My wife's a tiny human, little Jess, like

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Speaker 1: it crazy that things like that could just crawl into

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Speaker 1: Am I being an alarmist a little bit? I mean

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Speaker 1: I didn't think of it to this. So what happened

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Speaker 1: was we had Jesse's brother and sister in law in

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Speaker 1: town this weekend and it was awesome. Uh, we had

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Speaker 1: a really incredible time. They stayed in our basement and

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Speaker 1: then this morning before they left, they were downstairs and

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Speaker 1: we found in the room that they're sleeping in a

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Speaker 1: black widow on the wall. Now, I am a little

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Speaker 1: bit less wearisome because here's what happened. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys remember this story from a few years

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Speaker 1: ago at my former house before Jessica and I moved.

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Speaker 1: I went to my garage one day and there was

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Speaker 1: used to record this podcast. Uh, they found over three

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Speaker 1: black widow and so, oh my god, yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: The imagery I would I don't know what i'd rather do.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything in this world that I

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Speaker 1: Like there's something about that creepy, crawling body. I know

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Speaker 1: they're tiny, but I would rather feel like I would

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Speaker 1: I'd rather face a shark or an alligator. Interest think

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Speaker 1: process today. Jessica obviously isn't it like a massive fan

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Speaker 1: of spiders, And so my afternoon is going to look

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Speaker 1: no like, no immediate threat because they are pretty dangerous,

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Speaker 1: I'm not usually that scared of spiders, but when you

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Speaker 1: it's been a great morning. I've got to work out

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Speaker 1: in I found a spider uh and now to watch

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Speaker 1: this lovely episode one that the fans they're going wild

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Speaker 1: over they thought it was the most fantastic thing they've

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Speaker 1: So so we're gonna jump into recapping the episode. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know how much recapping we're gonna do of

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Speaker 1: the recap, So we're gonna break this up into two sections.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna break it up a no positive and

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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins. You know, it's like you remember the days

426
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Speaker 1: of the Fence Jump, when there was a tease that

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00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: lived up people, people responded. And so during a season

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Speaker 1: of the show where the show is trying to gain

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Speaker 1: back the trust of the viewer, trying to um move

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Speaker 1: forward gaining the trust of the viewer. These big teases

431
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Speaker 1: that don't live up to the hype are I think

432
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Speaker 1: very Um. I want to use the word dangerous, but

433
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Speaker 1: dangerous seems very heavy. But like what I mean is these, uh,

434
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Speaker 1: these teasers that don't satisfy what we're all hoping for,

435
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: especially when they say it's life changing, I think make

436
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: the viewers at some point go, I'm done with this thing,

437
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to watch this anymore. I don't

438
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: want to be drawn into something that's going to disappoint me.

439
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: The show has to deliver and and teasers like this

440
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: are not delivering. And if they don't deliver, then how

441
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: in the world is the show going to expect their

442
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: first episode when they show the highlights for the season

443
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: two gain the attention of the public if all they

444
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: think about in their mind is how many times do

445
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: the show disappointed me in the past? Ben, you're so

446
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: poignant today, like you're making me. Jenner would say, like,

447
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: realize things. An episode of realizing things and I have

448
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: not slept well. Um, but that's a topic for another time.

449
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought your brain today because you

450
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: are sharp. Well, that's that's it. Okay, So we have

451
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Speaker 1: this app demonstration that if you're in a cruise ship

452
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: you can get champagne delivered, right, I mean, first off,

453
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: very cool. Does make me want to take a trip

454
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Speaker 1: on Virgin. They did a great job promoting Virgin. I

455
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: I say, like, I'm like a big commercial. I know.

456
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Speaker 1: But you know what the one question that was that

457
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: could have been answered at mental all, it wasn't how

458
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: Logan went about Well, I guess there's two questions, okay.

459
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: One there was the Nate drama. What happened off camera

460
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: him not telling an next about a child for a

461
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: year and a half. That was a one huge lingering question.

462
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: Jesse starts the episode by saying that we're going to

463
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Speaker 1: get answers to that. That's great, thank you, But um,

464
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: the other the other question that we have is Logan

465
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: and not his decision to switch teams quote quote but

466
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: whatever happened with the COVID thing? Why didn't everybody else

467
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: get COVID? And was his test really positive? And what

468
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: he just was eliminated? And where did he go and

469
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: all of this stuff? Why didn't he get to come

470
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: back when he was better? Those questions were not brought

471
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: up and not answered, which just further confirms to me

472
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 1: that there's some shady business going on there and they

473
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Speaker 1: just wanted to get rid of Logan. Yeah, I would

474
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: say that's a good way out. I think that's gonna

475
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: be one of those things that in a season we

476
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: forget even happened, and I think the show probably assumes

477
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: that we will forget it even happened. There are a

478
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: lot of questions there. I mean, Logan felt like he

479
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: was gaining a better relationship and so he had some

480
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: some momentum moving forward, and then all of a sudden,

481
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: you've gone. Nobody really talks about him. He's out of there.

482
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: Ashley after this app demonstration whereby get champagne. I'm sure

483
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: the crowd was loving it. These filmings are a long

484
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: time and so to get champagne during your eight hours

485
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: sitting during this show is probably very nice and it's

486
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: a good little treat for all the for all the

487
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: audience members. We move on then to Nate's conversation. Probably

488
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Speaker 1: it felt like would be the most important versation of

489
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: mental all I um, there's been some recent headlines come

490
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: out today that we know about. You know, we watch

491
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: this episode, Nate speaks to why he never introduced his

492
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Speaker 1: kids to the people he was dating his kid, his kid, uh,

493
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: and he's a dad. I mean I want to hold

494
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: criticism and judgment very loosely here, because he is a dad,

495
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: and you want a father uh and and a parent

496
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: to parent and bring up their child whatever ways they

497
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: see necessary to protect him and love on them. And

498
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: we have to assume he's doing all those things. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not you know, people last night were fairly critical

500
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: and positive on what Nate's words were. Right, Here's the

501
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: crazy part. Here's what things get weird to me, is

502
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: I think Nate, I felt like last night, this is

503
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: while pause actually because I want to hear your thoughts.

504
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: I thought last night they were so you're gonna make

505
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: me say the bad thing. No, no, no, no, not

506
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: not at all. Um. I felt like last night they

507
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: were setting Nate up. I felt like I was watching

508
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: them setting Ate up to be the bachelor, Like they

509
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: were trying to reconcile and and and spin not spin this,

510
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: but like bring it out enough where the public would

511
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: say Nate should be the Bachelor. I felt like that's

512
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: what I was watching. I don't think they were successful

513
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: in that. Today, I think we see that they definitely

514
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: were successful in that based on this headline that I'll

515
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: read here in just a second. But Ashley, what did

516
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: you think when you watched his interview? I thought it

517
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: was phony, okay, fair, and I get that, and I

518
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: felt like it was almost forced. Like I said, they

519
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: were trying to force this idea that he should be

520
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: the bachelor, even though you know, these rumors did come out,

521
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: and no matter what he says, people are going to

522
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: disagree with him. Right there. There is a divide on Hey,

523
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: he's doing the right thing here or he's doing the

524
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: wrong thing. But there's a divide. And now we see

525
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: today in the headline that Nate was seen holding hand

526
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Speaker 1: at a grocery store with a girl. Yes he was.

527
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Speaker 1: We don't know the girl's name, we don't know who

528
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: she is, but he was, and we also don't know

529
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Speaker 1: shape for that. I don't care for You know, he's

530
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: had time apart from Gabby, he got eliminated six, she

531
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: sent him home. Whatever, go hold hands with a girl

532
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: in a grocery store. That has nothing to do with

533
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: me thinking this came out across a phony. Across phony

534
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: to me a lot of the A lot of it

535
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: has to do with the way that they produced it.

536
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: They showed so many audiences faces during that interview, so

537
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: many women nodding or like being like yeah, it's like sympathy,

538
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: and they were so trying to make us be on

539
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: his team. It was almost so shoved down my throat

540
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: that I was like, no, no, you will not force

541
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: me to feel this. Yes, I mean I think that

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00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you just brought up a great point. You're saying I'm

543
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: on it today. I think you're on it. I think

544
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: that's why this was hard for me to watch, because

545
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I kept watching he would say something like I have

546
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: a daughter, and everybody in the audience. They'd show these

547
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: audience members just shaking their head, Oh yeah you do.

548
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, come come on, like this this is

549
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: not this is not a talk show, right, this is

550
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: not a daytime talk show. I felt like a daytime

551
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: talk show. It was Dr Corney, Yes, one hundred percent.

552
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Jared even pointed out that they that they said they

553
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: made sure to poise the conversation in a way that

554
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: it started out with good things about Nate, then they

555
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: addressed the controversy, and then they ended with good things

556
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: about Nate and they had to have what's his name?

557
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I have no freaking idea in the line of men

558
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: say hey, hey, Jesse can I had erupt for a second.

559
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: I just want to say that a good man does

560
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: make other men better, and that is what Nate did

561
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: to me. Like it was all so calculated to make

562
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: him the next Bachelor, and we're just all I just

563
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: feel like we're all not having it. Even if we

564
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: read one of the headlines. There is a headline in

565
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: which basically backstage at Mentell, all Gabby, Rachel and some

566
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: of the men, I'll talk about who they want to

567
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: see as Bachelor and they all say Nate. And it's

568
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: just too much And I'm sorry, I'm going to ramble now.

569
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: If if this was a guy that we saw so

570
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: much screen time from and that we just like, we're

571
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: so obsessed with and so loved during the season, and

572
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: then we see that he made a mistake in real life.

573
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but the fact is we didn't like we

574
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: we got to know him. I liked him. I even

575
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: said that when he got dumped, I really wanted to

576
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: see more of him. I was upset that I wasn't

577
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: going to I can't get over now that I can't

578
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: get over that he didn't talk, that he didn't tell

579
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: a girl for a year and a half. A year

580
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: and a half, well what two girls? Yeah, well, well

581
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: that's like up for debate. Like he even admitted that

582
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: there were two girls in the picture. I don't know

583
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: he was like seriously dating two girls at once. Whatever,

584
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't addressed. I get not introducing your daughter to

585
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: somebody after a year and a half. That's fine. I

586
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: understand your reasoning between the divorce and not want to

587
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: get your daughter into it. So respectable not bringing up

588
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: the fact that you have one that does seem like

589
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: you're hiding her. I had a huge aspect of your life,

590
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: making it seem as if, well it a little controversial

591
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: to say, but almost seeing as if you're purposely trying

592
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: to hide an aspect of your life, A big aspect

593
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: of your life. I think it was. I think no

594
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: matter what, it's an odd decision to date somebody for

595
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: a year and a half. It is an odd decision

596
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: to know somebody for a year and a half, like

597
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: a friend, uh, a coworker, I don't know, like just

598
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: somebody in passing for a year and a half that

599
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: year having some semi regular conversations with and not for

600
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: up the fact that you have a child. I mean,

601
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: I talk about my puppy to everybody in anybody now

602
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: different than the kid. I feel more strongly about this

603
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: now that I'm a parent. I can't go a minute

604
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: without being like, I'm sorry, I know you're a stranger.

605
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: I just meant, can I show you a picture? Like

606
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm that person now? And now I understand why people

607
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: do that. It's also, oh god, this is a little

608
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: controversial as well. It makes me feel as if maybe

609
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't as president in his daughter's life as he

610
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: was trying to put across earlier in the season. Makes

611
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: you bring up questions, right, That's brings up questions. Thank you. Yes,

612
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm not accusing. I'm just I'm just questioning. It brings

613
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: up questions, and I again to in this statement. I

614
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: think your comments at the beginning, if they just would

615
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: have had Nate sit there and and talk um and

616
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: with that we weren't trying to be persuaded in any way,

617
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: then I think my response is a lot better. This

618
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: isn't even as much of a criticism on Nate and

619
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: what he said and hasn't said, or what he's done

620
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: and not done. Honestly, most of the time, I felt

621
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: like I was watching an infomercial, like when you see

622
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: the people cooking in the nonstick pots and they got

623
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: to the audience, they look, how look and they go

624
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: look how clean it is, and all the audience shakes

625
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: their head and smile like this is the best thing ever.

626
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: That's how I felt this was to me, and it

627
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: made me just turn off and go, I don't I

628
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: know I'm not being persuaded here that no matter what

629
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm done, there's nothing that's going to convince me either direction,

630
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: because this is so corny to me, especially using the fans,

631
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: your action to to everything he was saying, Um, it

632
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: was odd. So that's that's what'll close that, and I

633
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: will enter this conversation very briefly. This is just another

634
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: moment that said to me, Hey, Tyler Cameron, whenever the

635
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: heck he wants, give him all the opportunity he wants,

636
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: make him the Bachelor, or or you will have another

637
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: rating season. Really, this is this, This moment made you

638
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: think of Tyler Cameron. Oh, this moment. Moments like there's

639
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: always running of Tyler Cameron. He is your savior for

640
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: the show. He's the show savior because he is a

641
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: celebrity now. He's not only just antes former contestant from

642
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: a heyday, from one of the last seasons in which

643
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: there was good ratings and there was a lot of

644
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: excitement and chatter around it. Not only that, but he

645
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: is a celebrity now, so now he's almost like a

646
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: stunt casting. It's almost like having um when they had

647
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: like of the Prince, or they had um like Charlie

648
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: O'Connell's brother and stuff like this, and even like Bob

649
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: Ginny to a certain point was almost a celebrity when

650
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: he became the Bachelor. Yeah, I get that, Okay, fair enough.

651
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think, yes, Tyler Cameron is a bachelor

652
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: would probably be a good thing for this show. I

653
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: cannot disagree with that. Could you come up with one

654
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: person in this in the cast of single men from

655
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: the franchise right now? Not necessarily this cast, but another,

656
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: but another one of recent history that would spark as

657
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: many ratings, attention and excitement amongst the fandom. I can

658
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: think of a few personally that I would like to see.

659
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: I would like I think that Mike Johnson could do it.

660
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: I think that Mike Johnson with Peter Krause would be amazing.

661
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: Do double, do double, you have to do double. If

662
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna do two girls, that's awesome pairing. Um, But

663
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't. But I don't think that's like

664
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: a huge I don't know. I want Peter Cross will

665
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: be an amazing freaking bachelor, But I do think that

666
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: people have forgotten him at this point. I think they

667
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: lost that opportunity years ago. But who says who lost

668
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: to you know, Like, I think there's a lot of

669
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: rumors that say that it was Peter that passed up

670
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: on the opportunity. I can find good pairings, Okay, I go,

671
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I can find parents, But like Tyler Cameron will bring

672
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: it all. Now, now you tell me who else can

673
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: bring it all? Ben, I mean, I think that Ruth

674
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: Spencer's could probably pull a fairly good audience. I think

675
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: if you're looking to revitalize ratings, though, you're probably gonna

676
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: have to pull somebody from past seasons just because this

677
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: show had more viewership back then. And so I mean,

678
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I think Peter might be a little

679
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: far removed for people to get super pumped up. But

680
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: I do think Mike Johnson, I think, um, Michael A

681
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: could probably do a pretty good job. Michael Lake could

682
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: do a great job. If he doesn't end up with

683
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: somebody from Paradise would be a great, great transition in

684
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I think that it may have been their intention with

685
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: him on Paradise. Yeah, I mean I think it's hard.

686
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think you look at Tyler Cameron and

687
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: people go, yeah, he is a celebrity, he has made

688
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: his way outside is I just don't think there's any shot.

689
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any reason I wouldn't do it

690
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: if I was him. I mean, it would just be

691
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: a really hard sell. Uh. And then I feel like

692
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: the season would almost have too much weight on him,

693
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: and it would it that might, in my opinion, be

694
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: the death of the show because you have this this

695
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: person that you're gonna put up. You're gonna let negotiate

696
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: what they want, what they don't want, look how he

697
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: wants and not once and then all of a sudden,

698
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: the show dramatically changes forever. I don't think you ever

699
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: get it back. And so maybe as a finale, maybe

700
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: as a final season. I get it, but I don't

701
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: see that being a healthy stepping stone for the show. Um,

702
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: I just see it going backwards from there quickly again.

703
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: And so uh no, I don't I don't see the

704
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: show making a decision. I don't see Tyler making that decision.

705
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I see it. I'm saying that that's

706
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: what would be, in my opinion, a saving grace. Okay,

707
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: so shall we go to headlines. No, not quite yet,

708
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: because we do have a few more things actually to

709
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: touch on. We do have the cruise giveaway everybody in

710
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: the audience because the cruise it's good for five more months.

711
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: I heard, Uh wait, they have five months to do it.

712
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: It's good till the end of the year. Is the

713
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: rumor being spread and it only leaves out of two

714
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: ports Miami and somewhere else. Um, but hey, you get

715
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: a free cruise like by the plaint advantage. It's pretty

716
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: definitely not life changing for Bachelor Nation at all. But

717
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: if somebody has a free cruise and then they go

718
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: on that cruise and they find their husband, could be

719
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: life changing. I would love to see it. Um. Well,

720
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: actually that's all we have from mentell all it Uh.

721
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: It definitely felt uh like an unnecessary, unnecessary watch from

722
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: my opinion. We're not even gonna get into all the ads.

723
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: That's why this is so quick, because there was a

724
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: lot of sneak peaks and ads and trailers for things

725
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: Paradise does look cool. I'll say that I'm excited to

726
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: watch Paradise. I am as excited as I ever am

727
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: to watch Paradise. I think it's a great show. I

728
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of fun to watch. I think

729
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the issues that this show has right now.

730
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Uh and so as a result, super pump that that's

731
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: coming out and that we can start getting excited for that. Actually,

732
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: it is time for headlines today. We have a few

733
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: to get into. UM. After we scroll through our headlines,

734
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: just have a ton of Twitter reactions the last night's episode,

735
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: UM Shackling. None of them are great, but the first

736
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: one is this Peter Webber likes post about reuniting with

737
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: Kelly flannagain, jokes about having impure thoughts about her. WHOA,

738
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: this is the we need guys. This brings me alive.

739
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: Can did you know about this? And you been following

740
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: this story for the past week or so? Yeah? I have.

741
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: It is Fastiday. These two have talked so much smack

742
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: about each other and now they're just back together. Okay,

743
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: so this is the quote proof that we have right now,

744
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: besides the photos that we've seen them together, which is

745
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: enough proof for me. Um Kelly posted this picture on

746
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: Instagram on Sunday. Somebody I just a fan said having

747
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: impure thoughts miss houghtie with lots of fire signs, and

748
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: then Peter responded underneath it and said same. Uh. Somebody

749
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: also commented under the picture happy you guys found your

750
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: way back together, and he liked it. Nohow, I love

751
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: this story. It's so juicy. It's juicy, but it's kind

752
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: of like it's like a you know, like the like

753
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: they like each other. They were so mad at each other.

754
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: There's so much pain and resentment for whatever reason, we

755
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: never really know why. Now they're back together. I wonder

756
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: what this conversations were like as they tried to reconcile

757
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: and spend more time investing each other. I wonder if

758
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: it was always kind of this, I'm into you, I'm

759
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: into you, but I don't like you for some reason,

760
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: And now they're finding themselves back together. This is why

761
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: we need a reality show that documents our lives post show,

762
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: because this stuff would be such a good TV. And

763
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: what I like about this relationship that I find so

764
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: interesting is because I've never had a relationship like this,

765
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: and these two people just like they have that thing

766
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: where they probably fight all day and it's firing and

767
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: see me and there's probably lots of makeup sex and

768
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: it's just passionate and they're not always nice to each other,

769
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: but it's hot, but it's hot. It sounds like a

770
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: movie you just you just made up in your mind

771
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: that they are to me, jeez. Next headline is this

772
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: Bachelor a favorite? Andrew Spencer gets real about his life

773
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: changing time and Paradise. He just said that basically that

774
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: the people who have never been down there, it was

775
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: a shock. It was a shocking experience, which is what

776
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: I've warned people every time they go to Paradise. I'm like, listen.

777
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: It is a totally different environment and process and the show.

778
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: The show can be so much fun. Paradise can change

779
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: your life for the for the better. Of course, look

780
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: who's on my lap right now? But it is emotional

781
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: boot camp. It never stops. You get to rest on

782
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: the main show, but you never stops testing you Paradise

783
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: and then just as far as like a fun little quote,

784
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: Andrew says that the best thing to bring down there

785
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: for anybody who is going to be down there next

786
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: is a fan. He said, some people brought three or

787
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: four fans, and some people didn't break any. But it's

788
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: a very vital part to having a comfortable experience down there.

789
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: I can imagine. I'm excited to see him on Paradise

790
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: me too. He's the sweetest. Katie Thurston amidst John Hersey

791
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: dumped her, her quote is a blessing in disguise. Guys,

792
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: we got so much tea from Katie Thurston. On Caitlin's

793
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: podcast this week, she says that technically they broke up twice.

794
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: The first time no one knew about it. Uh wait,

795
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: like a week or two later we kind of worked

796
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: through it and decided to get back together, So I

797
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: thought we were golden. However, in June she said that

798
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: the final split was unavoidable, explaining that she knew um

799
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: more reasons why he did not like her than liked her.

800
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: That is a really feeling, she said. And she said,

801
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: as for the relationship tipping point, Um she was piste

802
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: off by John wanting her to take surfing lessons after

803
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: she learned how to skydive. She said, I knew nothing

804
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: um I did was ever going to be good enough.

805
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: So she obviously like she took skydiving lessons for him,

806
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: and then he wanted her to take surfing lessons, and

807
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: then she said, ultimately it was really a blessing in

808
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: disguise because I think I would have stuck it out

809
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: longer than I should have. And she says that in

810
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: reference to the fact that he broke up with her,

811
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: and she said, initially after the breakup, it was the

812
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: saddest she's ever been, but now she's in a very

813
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: good place after a trip to Mexico and a secret

814
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: hook up. So the best way to get over someone

815
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: is to get under someone. That's that's a quote, that's act.

816
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: Isn't that a lot a lot of that's a T

817
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: shirt right there? Um, the you know, the next headline is,

818
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: you know Katie went on during this podcast. I guess

819
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: you could just listen to Caitlin's podcast because there's a

820
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: lot that she talked about when it comes to Nick File,

821
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to the breakup, when it comes to

822
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: kind of the Nick File and Katie Thurston feud. Also,

823
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: we have a headline here about Blake Horsemen and Nick

824
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: File feud. You can listen and pull all those things

825
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: up to read them on your own here. Uh, hello buddy. Um.

826
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: But in short, Katie and Nick are still feuding, and

827
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: Blake and Nick are still feuding. Uh, they have not reconciled.

828
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: Um there their differences. Yes, Blake. Blake was asked about

829
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: this on the red carpet at the v m As

830
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: and he literally just said he's tried. Uh, it's just

831
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: not gonna happen between the two of them. It's like

832
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: rather exhausting. I just want to ask you, Ben, as

833
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: somebody who's pretty good friends with both of them, what's

834
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: it takes only they like each other? I mean I don't.

835
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I guess like you have think

836
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: this big family, you know, we all don't we're not

837
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: all going to get along. Yeah, I uh, you know

838
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: they're both him at bachelor party. I thought that could

839
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: I thought that could be a good a good way

840
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: to reconcile. It didn't happen. It doesn't seem like um

841
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: friends with both of them. I think they're probably Uh.

842
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: I just don't. I think it's one of those things

843
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: where you you need to stop talking about the other person,

844
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: like Blake need to stop talking about Nick Nickson needs

845
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: to stop talking about Blake. They need to move on.

846
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: Understand that they're not gonna see Ida and they're not

847
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna get along, and there's no healthiness or good things

848
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: coming from them feuding publicly because it just ends up

849
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: bringing up wounds not only for them but other people

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Speaker 1: that have been affected because of their feud. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's just unnecessary to bring, you know, to

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Speaker 1: bring these things up, make them headlines. Uh. And then

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00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: when these headlines come out, it mentions, um, the reason

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00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: why they're feuding in the first place, and it's like this,

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Speaker 1: this isn't fair to that person. You know, and specific

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Speaker 1: I'm talking Klinklin gets brought up in these conversations when

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Speaker 1: it's written about it's like she's moved on. People need

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Speaker 1: to move on. It's time to move on. Um. When

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Speaker 1: it comes to Katie and Nick, I don't know as much, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not around Katie. Yeah, you don't need to comment

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Speaker 1: personally on that one because we don't really we all

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Speaker 1: don't really know Katie personally. But the podcast with Katlan

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Speaker 1: obviously brings out what Katie feels the details of this,

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Speaker 1: so um so yeah, that's what I think. Anything to

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Speaker 1: need to stop that would be my my friend opinion

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Speaker 1: to the both of them. Uh. Next timeline is this

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Speaker 1: inside Joe and Serena's a dreamy elevated boho engagement party.

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Speaker 1: This according to people, Yeah, one year after getting engaged

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Speaker 1: in Bachelor in Paradise, they finally celebrate the minal milestone

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Speaker 1: in Toronto, Canada at the one hotel that was initially

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Speaker 1: like not part of their pre wedding plans to have

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Speaker 1: a party like this. Serena said, I think my parents

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Speaker 1: originally brought the idea to us of an engagement party

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Speaker 1: just because we had an unconventional engagement. We got engaged

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Speaker 1: and it was secret for a long period of time,

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Speaker 1: so this was a nice idea to bring some sort

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Speaker 1: of family and close friends together to celebrate A whole

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Speaker 1: year later, she says that it all happened so fast

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Speaker 1: and now they're a year into it, and they realized

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Speaker 1: that their parents had never met in person, so this

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Speaker 1: is a good way for their parents to meet and

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Speaker 1: all their close friends to meet each other's close friends,

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Speaker 1: and they're happy that I finally happened, um, even if

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Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a delay. She said

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Speaker 1: that the elevated Boho vibes she loves it is really

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Speaker 1: beautiful space, lots of wood and greenery and a nice

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Speaker 1: bar area. She said that that just that that like style,

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Speaker 1: elevated Boho kind of encapitulates the couple's style together. Lots

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Speaker 1: of little twinkly lights and candles and neutral colors. They

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Speaker 1: wanted something soft and romantic while still looking luxurious and modern. Um.

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Speaker 1: They're also both huge foodies. We know Joe is. We

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Speaker 1: just started selling his Sauce Sundays with Joe at Audrey's

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Speaker 1: and they even had a sausage table. Guys. They had

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Speaker 1: a sausage stand of a whole bunch of different sausages

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Speaker 1: with toppings. And Joe is also a huge cookie guy,

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Speaker 1: so they had a nice little dessert spread there as

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Speaker 1: well as your coottery board. So I'm obviously just painting

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Speaker 1: a huge picture of what it looked like they're at

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Speaker 1: the at the party, So I wonder if their wedding

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Speaker 1: will look very similar. Happy for them, a beautiful, beautiful

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Speaker 1: engagement they're having obviously we're just with Joe. That Will

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Speaker 1: wasn't Sarah's wedding, and he's looking stunning, looking good, being

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Speaker 1: cool like he always is. Well, hey, that's all we

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Speaker 1: have for today, uh, Bachelor Nation. We encourage you to

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Speaker 1: keep listening to this podcast to hear are are what

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00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: we attempt to have our most unbiased perspective on this show,

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Speaker 1: both positive and negative, and quite frankly, I could have

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Speaker 1: gone without this mentel all. I feel like a lot

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Speaker 1: of us could. So until next time week, until when

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Speaker 1: we break down the next episode. I've been Ben, I've

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Speaker 1: been Ashley. See you guys. Follow the Ben and Ashley

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