WEBVTT - Jennifer Wayne: John Wayne’s Granddaughter talks about lessons learned from being a professional tennis player, “The Amazing Race,” and her Top Ten song “Buy My Own Drinks” with her hit trio Runaway June, currently on tour with Carrie Underwood. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:19.360 Carol, She's a queen. She's getting not afraid of Just 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:28.200 let flue Ca learn this sounds learn. This episode of 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:31.240 get re podcast was so much fun. I did it 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.280 with one of my best friends of all time, gin Wayne. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.360 We have been friends for over a decade. We have 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.760 done so much stuff together, from writing songs. We were 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.120 in a trio stealing angels together. We did The Amazing 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.200 Race twice together season twenty two, where we got fourth place. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.640 Season twenty four we went back for All Stars and 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.960 we got second place. We talk all about all of 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.680 our our journey together. We talked about stories from the 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.200 Amazing Race. We talked about music, We talked about failing, succeeding, 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.360 how you overcome, how you keep going. And now Jen 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.480 is in the hit trio Runaway June. It's an all 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.320 female trio and they have a top ten song. By 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.080 the time you hear this podcast, though, it's probably going 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.479 to be a top five song because it's killing the charts. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.720 It's called By my Own, Buy My Own Drinks, and 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:26.520 jin It's just all about perseverance, staying strong, not giving up. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:28.920 And it's so inspiring and so much fun to have 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.720 this conversation. So get excited. Here's Jen Wayne. Hello, Hello, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.880 I'm here with gin Wayne. What's going on? Jin? I'm 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.720 just staring at your baby bump. Listen all. I mean 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.640 it's big. I mean it's beautiful. By the time this 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.120 episode airs, I will probably have a child. Isn't that crazy? Yes? 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.120 That is crazy. And for all the listeners, Caroline and 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.800 I haven't known each other forever, so to the babies 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:01.320 have we don each other like fourteen or fifteen maybe 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.080 a long time. I mean I've known you since the 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.400 day you moved to Nashville pretty much because yes, because 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.680 you moved into the house that you remember list Oh 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.359 my god, and Beth wait, Beth Cooper Potter, and you 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.399 were driving you were going to Forever twenty one, still 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.240 my favorite store, and you were like about to break 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.799 up with your boyfriend. You didn't know how to breake 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.440 up with them. I'll never forget that was about right, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.840 hot mess. I mean I think we met and I 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.000 was like twenty three and you were like twenty four. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.239 And now I'm actually when I was twenty three and 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.280 you were twenty two. Do you speak your agelong? Yes? Okay, great, 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.639 just a grand old thirty seven. I'm a grand old 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.120 thirty six, So we have known each other for like 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:49.960 thirteen years. Yeah, because I remember hearing through the Great 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.720 One because I had moved here to Nashville from Texas, 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.880 small town girl to be a country music singer. And 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.919 my friend from college, Beth, was like, got this house 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.440 on Craigslist, just like, yeah, John Wayne's granddaughter is moving 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.720 from California and she with her Chihuahua and she's going 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.079 to live with me. And I'm like at that point, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:10.679 I was like, why aren't you going to live in 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.639 a mansion, Like, you know, you're John Wayne's granddaughter, you 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.160 should be living somewhere, Like don't you have like a 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.480 mansion in a limousine service and all sorts stuff. Wish 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.480 that would have been cool. Instead, he moved into the 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.160 house with like six girls and you lived in a 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.280 closet basically. One girl lived in a tent in the backyard. Yeah, no, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.639 I had a room. So what happened was everyone listening. Um, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.880 I rented from this girl who said it was going 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.280 to be me and her and my one dog and 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.280 I get there and she had literally rented every crevice 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.240 of the house out. She rented the sunroom out, the 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.720 closet out the attict out. There was a girl living 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.080 in a tent in the backyard, like aigon cord, so 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.480 she had a fan in there or something like a 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.040 TV or think or something. It was so crazy and 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.880 like all these dogs, remember Rebecca and her dog to 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.280 her dog was so scared of everything. So yeah, that 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.720 was my first Nashville experience. So I met you like 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.520 literally right when you moved to town. Yeah, the day 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.560 I think it was the day. I remember you were 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.200 driving in that car and we were both kind of shy, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.119 and so we sort of started like linking up trying 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.400 to do music together, like kind of almost instantly. Ish Yeah, no, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.000 instantly we started writing together. But you had a deal, 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.760 you had a record deal, you moved to town. Oh 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.080 my god, more a Griffin Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.760 listen if you don't know more. Griffins started like Will 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.440 of Fortune, right, yes, Jeopardy and we all of Fortune. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.599 He was like the first late night talk show guy. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.400 He was like before Johnny Carson, and he's your Griffin 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.839 show godfather. He was like like a godfather. He wasn't 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.560 my godfather, but he just like was like a grandpat 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.760 to me. You know, he was so sweet and he 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.480 wrote the theme song for Jeopardy and he had a 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.680 number one song in the country with like lovely bunch 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.679 of coconuts. You wrote that, Yeah, I've got a lovely 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.160 bunch of coconuts lazy. No he did not. Yes, No, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.640 that was too was what crazy? Yeah, he was like 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.880 so talented with creative brain to write that strange song. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.960 I know, I love that in the Jeopardy theme song. Yeah. Yeah, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.680 so he was pretty awesome. It's a saying. Okay, so 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.400 you moved to town because you were in California, and 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.960 then how did you decided to move to Nashville. Well, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.800 I always wanted to be a songwriter, and so I 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.440 just knew that the best songwriters in the world were here. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.440 And I kind of like tried to do it a 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:27.960 little bit in l A and I would write with 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.360 people you know here and there. But I just knew 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.080 that if I wanted to be the best, I had 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.200 to be around people that were the best. And I 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.520 was definitely not even close being the best. So um, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.680 I moved here. And if I would have known how 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.720 hard it was, then I would have never moved. I Mean, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.360 I was so naive I had no idea. Yeah, so 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.360 I was just and I should have quit probably so 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.440 many times. I don't know why I kept going, but 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.280 I just kept going. No, seriously, you know, well, you know, 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.239 I think that's one thing that happens to this musical 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.880 entertainment journey is it doesn't happen right away, and you've 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.440 really got to want it, because if you don't want it, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.200 you're not going to get it. Because this town can 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.039 swallow you love, even though it will we wade you out. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.440 Everyone's kind and loving and it's amazing community. But you've 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.560 got to want it. You gotta kick butt and you 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.720 gotta stay with it. Yeah. Well it's so weird because sorry, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:29.039 if you guys hear like a hard breathing, that's my job. Blue. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:30.800 Last time I saw him, he was this tiny little 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.760 thing and he is so big. He's had a few 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:40.360 dog bones in his life. So um. But you know 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.600 it's really weird is some people moved to town and 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.480 it happens like that. Like some people it just happened 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.760 so fast, and then some people it takes forever. And 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.440 I think you have to like not get caught up 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.120 and worrying about the people that made it so fast 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.360 because I feel like I got I had a little 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.040 bit of that for like five years. I'm like, all 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.640 my friends are making it, All the people have grown 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.080 up with are all successful now, and I'm still at 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.280 the very beginning, you know. And it's hard to like 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.920 not compare yourself to that or not look at that 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.600 and be like, shoot, you know myron either you just 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.040 kind of have to focus on yourself and just keep going. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.960 And comparison is the joy? Is that what that quotas 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.000 comparison with joy or something like, oh, I've never heard that, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.600 but yeah, So tell me a little bit about your journey. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.240 So tell me how it all went. Break it down 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.320 for me, tell me and also for everyone listening. Jin 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.760 was a professional tennis player being the key word before 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.960 she became a hit singer songwriter. She was a professional 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.440 tennis player before, so you have many talents. Well, thank 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.360 you was definitely the key word. You still got a 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.680 girl of Um. Well, so I moved to town with 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.000 that deal and we made a record with Carl Jackson 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.800 and blue Grass blue Grass. I loved it and it 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.560 was kind of a bluegrass record. Um, but unfortunately we've 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.720 passed away before it was done. So the deal kind 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:03.080 of just faded, and um I so I was like, okay, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.840 I've got to figure something else out. And I remember 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.040 I got this manager and she was Madonna's manager, and 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.440 she was awesome, but yes, Greece, but she lived in 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.040 l A. And she didn't really know Nashville. And she's like, okay, 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.200 let's just do a showcase. And I had played like 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.320 five live shows in my life. I didn't know what 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.600 I was doing. And so she set up this huge 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.960 showcase at the Quarter. Every label in town was there. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.120 There were news crews, they're like people were waiting outside 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:31.280 the door, and I was so green because you're John 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.120 Wayne's granddaughter and you're gorgeous, and so everyone was curious, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.839 like what is this going to be like? And it 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.800 was very bad. It was very bad. And it was 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.599 crazy though, because you have to fall sometimes. Like I 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.480 felt so hard that night, like I thought I did 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.720 well and then I got passed by every single label 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.079 and I was like, oh my god. And I just 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.320 remember like wanting to just move home, and I thought 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.600 like I could never show my face in this town again, 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.199 like everybody knows I failed, had everybody passed on me, 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.720 Like I can't I can't stay here, And I don't 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.839 know why I did stay here. I think I just 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.199 was so stubborn. How do you deal with moments like 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.600 that when you feel like you've really put yourself out there, 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.079 You're super vulnerable and exposed, and like you said, you 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.200 felt like you had failed. Obviously, it's not a failure 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.160 because it all led to where you are now, but 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.120 at the time it felt like and it was a 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.920 failure at the time, which is okay, it's okay. How 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.400 do you decide that you're going to show your face again? Like, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.840 what do you tell yourself in those moments? Don't honestly, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.720 I don't know. I just remember going home and just bawling, crying. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.240 My best friend Dre was with me, and we like 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:36.960 went out and had sushi, and I think I drank 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.319 all the sake in the world that night, but I 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.920 think I like cried for probably a week of just like, 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.199 how am I gonna show my face again? And I 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.120 don't really remember what the moment was, but I do 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.360 remember my mom calling me and saying that my grandpa, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.520 who's John Wayne, and you know, one of the most 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.400 famous people in the world, and he didn't really become 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.240 a star till he was in his fifties. He over 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.280 two D seventy movies, and he really didn't come into 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.199 his you know, huge stardom until later in life. She 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.040 was like, so, don't give up, like you're you're just 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.000 doing it the hard way, and so I just stayed. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.440 And that's when, honestly, you and I started writing a lot, 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.480 and you were kind of in a position where you 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.480 were super talented, but you were kind of afraid to 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.319 put yourself out, and so I think it was just 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.760 easier to do it together, you know. I think that's 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.280 like for me, always been super helpful to have friends 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.920 and support and like doing something together with someone, it's 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:34.959 like you give each other the strength. So I think 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.280 that's what we did for each other. We locked in 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.440 and it was fun too. It was awesome. And then Taylor, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:46.079 we had a little wild children's granddaughter, hopped on board, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.240 kept everything spicy, and she taught I feel like both 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.640 of us a lot because she just had no inhibition. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.760 She'd get on stage and she was just the less 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.400 fearless and I was all fear So I think she, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.920 you're like, really taught us how to be a performer 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.320 in respect of it to get out of our shell 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.480 because in interviews she was so sometimes too real and 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.960 too wrong. But it taught us how to be honest 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.839 and how to activate that part of ourselves instead of 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.800 just being so nervous that everything how to be perfect, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.120 because I think we saw with her that people really 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:24.559 responded to her outrageous realness. Yeah, and putting herself out there, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.760 putting yourself out there. Yeah. Yeah. It was like boot camp, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.679 I feel and our band was called Stealing Angels. I 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.400 feel like, even though it didn't pan out, it was 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.439 the greatest thing that could have happened for all three 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:38.520 of us. Yeah, just to prepare us for this entertainment 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.640 journey totally. And that's like looking back now seven, it 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.960 took a long time to get here, but like every 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.360 single moment, every single failure, every single thing you did, 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:51.959 leads up to where you are now, Like you wouldn't 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.800 have the tools to be where you are now if 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.000 you hadn't have done that, you know, and you really 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.800 believe that with Stealing Angels, I mean I learned some 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.199 from you girls being on stage and then radio, like 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.160 met so many radio people which got you and I 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.319 are next job being on the other side of the 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.160 music business about that. Well, so Caroline and I we 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:19.320 just don't we just don't give up. But we there 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.080 was a label and they hired us to be promotion 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.959 a promotion team together a duo which they promotion is 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.880 the one that goes around promoting artists to radio people 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.240 across the country. And he hired us. Yeah, switch sides. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.240 We got on the other side, which is so important 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.080 to learn the other side of the music business. Yeah, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.720 and they hired us because Caroline and I knew radio 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.360 from being in a band. They were like, this is interesting. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.840 We've never no one's ever really done this before. They've 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.200 never heard it, hired an artist to be on this side, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:55.480 and we did really well. Disclaimer for everyone listening, there's 0:12:55.559 --> 0:13:00.319 only always one regional per region. But j and I 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.160 were like, we're not doing it if you don't hire 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:07.040 us together. We're like, we're not going to go on 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.000 the road and talk to all these radio pds who 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.560 we love. But like we've been used to being together 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.280 in a trio or like us just working together, Like 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.719 we're not doing this solo too lowly out there on 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.800 the road. It's too hard, it's too hard. And also 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.840 we knew we were good, so we're like, we knew 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.920 we wanted to hire us, and we're like, this is 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.800 the deal or not. And that was when we got 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.599 a company card. That company card that was that was 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.480 the real deal. I've never had a company car before. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:40.280 I was like, oh my gosh, that's so funny. I know, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.839 and Jin you the responsible one. So Jin was always 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.880 one like super organized and like playing everything out, and 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.720 I felt like I was always like the little sister. 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.760 But we had such a good dynamic. I know we 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.599 did because you brought me out of my show, like 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.800 you made me kind of more exciting where I would 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:59.400 be the boring one, like, but we totally passed a 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.840 whole nothing a world that you and I did Big World, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.200 which was amazing. Race that was a defining moment. Yeah, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.760 I mean, all this is a fining moment, but that 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.679 was like that was crazy because it took us to 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.600 a whole another stratosphere. And also when our band broke up, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.160 Stealing Angels broke up because Taylor got knocked up and 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.600 she wanted to be a mommy, and yeah, I was 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.160 kind of like came to a screeching Hall and Caroline 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.600 and they were like what are we going to do 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.280 with our lives? Like Taylor got pregnant, moved to Seattle, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.760 She's still married to her husband John, and that was 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.960 the two cutest boys. And now she's like doing a 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:37.000 tribute Bandeche Loretta and she had in Conway. Twitty's grandson's 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.960 doing it with her, and she's like on cloud nine, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.880 loves her life, found her niche Like it's awesome, she 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.320 found her spot. Yeah, but yeah, it came to a 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.560 screeching hot halt, and you and I were like, what 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.240 are we going to do with our lives? Yeah, we 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.000 felt like the same way. I think my showcase felt 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.000 like we're like it all just came crashing down, like 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.280 we failed, like one day to the next. We lost 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.520 a deal, we lost I lost my publishing. I don't 0:14:58.520 --> 0:14:59.720 know if you last year and you still had your 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:05.000 but like lost everything. Yeah, it was crazy and amazing. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.640 Race just happened out of the blue, I think like 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.920 a month later some crazy and it's just so weird. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.440 But they were looking for two country singers. That's Caroline 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:15.720 and I didn't know what we were going to do 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.760 when that came to us, just fell into our lapside 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:23.400 of the blue yes, Like, oh my gosh, We're like, yes, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.400 little did we know what we were getting into. They 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.200 were like, oh, it's a traveling show. Because I had 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.280 never seen it. You just travel around the world and 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.720 do fun things. I'm like, yeah, great, we had no idea. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.320 How difficult. Tell me your take on Amazing Race. What 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.960 was your experience like and what did you think about that? 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.400 I mean, it was unbelievable. It was amazing for lack 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.720 of a better word, um, but just being able to 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.760 travel the world and see it the way we did, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.040 Like there's so many things that we would have never 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.160 done on our own, Like I would never go to 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.000 Sri Lanka or you know, Malaysia or wherever, and so 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.160 I just felt like we got an experience that we 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.600 would have never gotten without that show. But Sri Lanka 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.760 where you made an outfit in the sweatshop that was Malaysia, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.880 Malaysia or China. How crazy is that? Like we went 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.360 to a sweatshop and you made an outfit. Yeah, and 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.200 you got to see like what that really looks like, 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.360 like what a sweatshop in Asia and a third world 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.040 country looks like. And it's crazy. That was what was 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.480 so cool about amazing race is it puts you in 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.840 the environment, like you're not just like a tourist, you 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.040 are like in real life environments that are happening in 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:36.440 that culture. And you know, also for you guys listening, 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.600 you don't have any money, like you just have the 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.040 money that they give you per leg and so to 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.360 like be at an airport and not be able to 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.880 just buy a bottle of water, just simple things that 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.280 you would normally not even think about. It's not even 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.640 about being rich, it's just being able to buy a 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.080 bottle of water. To not be able to do that 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.640 is like it just really kind of put things in 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:00.800 perspective of how how lucky we are. That That was 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.360 a lot of my take on it. What were some 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.000 of your favorite places we went to and some of 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:08.679 your favorite experiences and favorite teams? Well, okay, favorite teams. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:14.320 We love the Cowboys, loved the Globe Chatter's um David 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.760 Connor were the best, and they were the father's son 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.880 duo who beat us at the end four seconds second place. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.840 We should we should have beat them. Signed if we're 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.119 gonna lose anyone. Yeah, they're both cancer survivors, which was awesome. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.480 They're awesome. They're amazing. I think those are my those 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:37.760 are my favorite teams, Um, my favorite experiences. Well, Switzerland 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.239 I think was just so beautiful. Like that cheese thing 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.399 was just not my favorite experience. So what that but 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.119 that one was was I would always call myself the 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.840 man of our relationship was le bron. Jin was my damsel. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:56.600 And we had these like l of cheese that we 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.440 had to haul up a mountain of snow. It's here 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.959 Jin and I two girls, not huge girls at all, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.960 and there's these big guys that they're doing the exact 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.479 same challenges us. It's the same way of cheese. I mean, 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.520 it's like you get no advantages. It's all the same 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.480 for everybody. The physical part we get. It's tougher for women, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.200 I feel like. So we had haul these bales of 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.239 cheese up to the snow filled mountain, load them up 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.240 on a sled, and then get them to down the 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.680 mountain and they're like falling, the bales of falling and 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.760 when the cheese falls off, it sinks into the snow, 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.919 like it's not like it just falls off on grass, 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.080 Like you have to like dig down in the snow 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.400 to get out. And it's like she carolines like, come on, chin, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:44.520 come on chin, you can do it. Why I want 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:49.359 to eat the cheese. Oh? We hung in there and 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.359 thought we were going to hang in there, and I 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.280 think that was our greatest advantage. Yeah do you think so? Oh? 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.000 And no one thought we could do it. Everyone was like, oh, 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.520 let's keep Gin and Caroline around because we can beat 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.399 them at the end, so let's keep them, and they 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.800 get kind of worked her totally. We worked it, and 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.040 then it was that I don't know which because we 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.040 did two seasons, season twenty four and then All Stars 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.080 season twenty two and then All Starts twenty four, so 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.040 I might be mixing up the seasons. But one time 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.320 the Cowboys had an express pass, and how did you 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.160 sweet talking me into? That? Was my theory. I'm like, listen, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.720 so an express pass? Telling the challenge because I was 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.119 losing my mind. Oh my gosh. Caroline was having to 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.280 put together a car, a big, big, like toy car, 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.960 and it was the directions were in Chinese and she 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.359 doesn't like putting stuff together to begin with. Was like, no, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.719 you love this. I thought you did, and I realized 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:43.360 that was my mom simply, what are you talking about? Oh? 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.080 My god, and I'm terrible too, so, oh my poor Caroline. 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.720 It was that was that challenge was a nightmare. And 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.480 so Caroline is just breaking down. She's like crying, and 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.720 I'm just watching her and everyone's breezing through it, and 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.720 I'm like, we're gonna lose, Like we're gonna get eliminated. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:19:59.600 She's having a breakdown, and I'm like, I have to 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.760 get the express pass or we lose. And the Express 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.720 Passe needs you get to bypass that challenge. And the 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.080 Cowboys had one for themselves and then they had to 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.160 give one to another team. Yeah, and they could give 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.119 it to whoever they want at any time, And so 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.360 I just went there and I just started working at 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.840 But my my reasoning was, I'm like, listen, we are 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.639 not a threat. You know, we're going to use it 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:19.480 right here, so it will never be a threat to 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.800 you in the future. They're already done, they're already done, 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.960 they were already going to win the leg. And I'm like, 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.320 we're going to waste it right now. And we're the 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.440 worst team, so if we're not a competition for anybody, 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.640 so you might as well give it to us rather 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.280 than one of the good teams that could beat you guys. Yeah, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.000 it's actually not a lot. No, I know, that's very 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:44.640