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Speaker 1: Welcome back to It Could Happen Here, the podcast about

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Speaker 1: you know, the problems and stuff that are happening and

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis, Hi, Hello, that's so that's so weird, Segue.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to introduce this video telling you guys that

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Speaker 1: I just watched a movie that you should watch because

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Speaker 1: it's pretty rad and it's ties into all the things

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Speaker 1: we talked about. It's all the Pizza Gate massacred. It

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Speaker 1: is a micro budget under a hundred thousand dollars film

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Speaker 1: that looks great. They did a really good job with

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Speaker 1: the budget they had about UM an Alex Jones employee

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Speaker 1: type person and a mass shooter who go looking for

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Speaker 1: UH to try to solve the Pizza Gate things. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: it is a an actually very nuanced and I think

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Speaker 1: deeply knowledgeable commentary on specifically like the Texan conspiracy scene.

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Speaker 1: Like it's a like film. They're Alex Jones character who's

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Speaker 1: played by a woman in this They film in the

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Speaker 1: original studio that he recorded in back and like the

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Speaker 1: filmmaker who did this gets like the culture in the area,

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Speaker 1: and kind of the relationship between the people who get

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Speaker 1: radicalized and do ship and the people who just profit

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Speaker 1: from it. It's a very good Um it's it is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a grindhouse horror movie. Like whatever you're expecting.

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Speaker 1: It's not that it is, like it is an incredibly

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Speaker 1: gory grindhouse movie. Um, but it's it's pretty it's pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with cup Nothing at all,

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Speaker 1: but it has a lot to do with it could

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Speaker 1: happen here because all right, well watch it anyway. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is that could happen here. I show about how

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Speaker 1: things are kind of falling apart and how we can

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Speaker 1: then maybe slow that down or prepare for the uncertain future. Um.

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Speaker 1: An episod it about cops, right, I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: we are we are planning an episode on Washington State Patrol. Um.

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Speaker 1: But no, this is episode is a different a different

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Speaker 1: kind of cop about just as useful. Um So, in

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Speaker 1: the first five episodes of The Daily Show or season two,

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Speaker 1: which if you haven't listened to you should definitely listen

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Speaker 1: to those, as they kind of act as our show's

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Speaker 1: manifesto of sorts. But nevertheless, the first time episodes of

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Speaker 1: the scripted daily show put forth like a more like realistic,

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Speaker 1: non sugarcoated look at what climate change will bring if

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Speaker 1: we continue on our current course. Um, but not just

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Speaker 1: looking at the obvious environmental and extreme weather effects, but

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Speaker 1: also like the socio political effects. So when I was

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Speaker 1: helping Robert out with the research for those episodes, some

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Speaker 1: of the best indicators of like the mainstream conception of

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Speaker 1: the scientific, environmental and political status of climate change was

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Speaker 1: at the United Nations past uh I I PCC reports,

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Speaker 1: which is the inter Governmental Panel on Climate Change, and

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Speaker 1: the COP conferences. So during the first few weeks of

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Speaker 1: this past November, November one, the twenty six annual COP

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Speaker 1: conference took place in Glasgow. Um. And yeah, the name

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Speaker 1: like they're alleged like goals. Um, so yeah, they're a

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Speaker 1: good indicator not onlike sometimes they do present actual good

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Speaker 1: notable COP in recent memory was in Paris COP twenty one.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of where the Paris Climate Accords were born. Uh.

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Speaker 1: the conference, according to UP president UM, when I try

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Speaker 1: important to kind of point out that the commitments laid

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Speaker 1: So in in asking nations to set tougher targets by

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Speaker 1: at Glasgow acknowledge that the commitments that were in place

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Speaker 1: But there there are other things did happen at at

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Speaker 1: the main quote unquote achievements of of the Glasgow Deal

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Speaker 1: countries intervened in other countries. That that's part of a

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Speaker 1: The people weren't super happy about this. Uh. The Cutty

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Speaker 1: how the economystem works. But it doesn't because a state's

433
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Speaker 1: individual states can't and will not ever solve this and

434
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Speaker 1: then be COP is like, Okay, so here's here's your

435
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Speaker 1: international framework. But also we're just gonna have you know,

436
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Speaker 1: the actual the the the actual international framework is going

437
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: to be just essentially hammered up by a bunch of

438
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: fossil fuel companies. And so it's just you know, it's

439
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: it's the worst of both worlds. I mean, it's and

440
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: it you can see, there's there's some kind of acknowledgement

441
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: at the fact that this is an international problem in

442
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Speaker 1: in like the basic idea of of carbon markets, which

443
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: includes the idea that like, um, you can companies that

444
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: that emit emit lesson, don't use up their carbon budget

445
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: can like sell carbon credits and you can do this

446
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: across international lines. And like if we hold if we

447
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: hold companies to different like emission standards internationally based on

448
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: things like the Paris Climate Agreement, then that will cause

449
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: the carbon credit system to work better. Um, there's that

450
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 1: acknowledgement that it is an international problem. But again I

451
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: just don't I don't see I don't see evidence that

452
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: it's working, and they like none of the evidence that

453
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: I've read makes it seem like there's a very good

454
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Speaker 1: case that this is going to at the very least

455
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Speaker 1: that this is going to provide the kind of emissions

456
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Speaker 1: productions that are necessary to forestall the worst case scenarios

457
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: that are coming. Um. And if we're gonna be again,

458
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Speaker 1: to be completely intellectually honest here, we can talk about

459
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Speaker 1: d growth all day long. UM. I have a similar

460
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Speaker 1: problem with that that I do to a lot of

461
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Speaker 1: these the different kind of targets that Copy six introduced,

462
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: stuff like carbon markets, where it's like, I don't I

463
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: don't see that solving the problem either. It's like a

464
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: theoretical it's it's yeah, if we were to get people

465
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Speaker 1: to if if we've gotten people on board with deep growth,

466
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: then you've already fundamentally shifted the very nature of global

467
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Speaker 1: society um. And also the way in which Americans and

468
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Speaker 1: people in other Western nations like conceived of economics at

469
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Speaker 1: a fundamental level. UM. And so it's it's one thing

470
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Speaker 1: to say that like, yeah, if people accepted that and

471
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Speaker 1: and got on board with a lifestyle that is not

472
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: based on this this kind of capitalist notion of endless growth,

473
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Speaker 1: of ever increasing extraction from the world in order to

474
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Speaker 1: create value, UM, then we could we could actually stop

475
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: emitting at the kind of levels that are going to

476
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: lead to these horrible consequences. Um, the question is like,

477
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Speaker 1: I don't see, I don't see you you can are

478
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Speaker 1: I think you can argue that de growth is more

479
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: realistic in that, Yes, that would absolutely work as opposed

480
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: to carbon credits and other things where it's like, well

481
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: theoretically it might work if they do all this other stuff. Yeah,

482
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: it does. It does revolve on the cultural notion of

483
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: America and the West completely changing. Um, it's a big

484
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: it's a big ask, you know. Yeah, And I mean

485
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: like there is there's smaller steps, like totally like reorganizing

486
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: how cities work so we do not use cars, uh,

487
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: like like like re redoing a public transportation like sector

488
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: uh in you know, um, making like making like a

489
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Speaker 1: cellar panels and a renewable energy I required part of

490
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Speaker 1: like city infrastructure. Right there, there's a there's a lot

491
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Speaker 1: of ways to push us towards that thing, but there's

492
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Speaker 1: not one thing we can do right because it is

493
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Speaker 1: in large parts of cultural change stuff. Stuff will help

494
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Speaker 1: with emissions, like if we if we redesign cities around

495
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Speaker 1: public transportation and make it so stuff is not as

496
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: as far apart, and yeah, that that's going to help

497
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Speaker 1: lower emissions if we if we require are all these

498
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Speaker 1: other types of renewable energy projects to be built into

499
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Speaker 1: buildings and added on to our current cities, and yeah,

500
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Speaker 1: that that is going to help lower emissions. But you know,

501
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: there's there's not one one big step that we can

502
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Speaker 1: all do at the same time. And I think that

503
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Speaker 1: that's I don't know. I'm of two minds about it.

504
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: One part of me says that's absolutely the most intelligent

505
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: way to go about it is focusing on things like

506
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Speaker 1: reducing the use of like like like really all ending

507
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: car culture in cities, because it's not even a reduction thing.

508
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: It has to be like that that has to die. Um.

509
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Speaker 1: But we're a lot closer to that than ending the

510
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Speaker 1: idea of like, uh, capitalism, yes, because they're at number

511
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Speaker 1: one one, because there are capitalists, very capitalist countries that

512
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Speaker 1: have that do not have a car culture, that like

513
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: stopped that and that actually like had one at one

514
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: point and then reworked there. So that's that's and that

515
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Speaker 1: would Yeah, that is a significant that's probably go that

516
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Speaker 1: would probably lead to larger emissions reductions than any kind

517
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Speaker 1: of carbon credit system could ever lead to. UM. I

518
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Speaker 1: also and So yeah, I think that that's on an

519
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: objective level. Yeah, that's it's smart to focus on stuff

520
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: like that, where you're all you are arguing for reducing growth,

521
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: but you're also arguing and for like, hey, your life

522
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: will be more pleasant if you live in a city

523
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: where you can walk everywhere and you're not at risk

524
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: of getting run down by you know, two ton trucks

525
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: anytime you cross the street, and like you're not dealing

526
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Speaker 1: with smog and pollution and horrible like hour and a

527
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: half long communes on these crowded, nightmare highways. Um. But

528
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: it's also it's still incrementalist. You know, we we are

529
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: we are talking here, we are kind of like walking

530
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Speaker 1: through here, Um, all of the best incremental solutions and

531
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and what is the most realistic of those? Um. And

532
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Speaker 1: I think that's fine. I think that's kind of where

533
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: we have to be because that is what's most likely

534
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: to actually happen to make the problem better. Um. But

535
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: it is we have to acknowledge it is incremental, Like

536
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: we're not we're not solving It would be very arrogant

537
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: to say, like, here's how we solve this problem once

538
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: and for all. You know, I just want to I

539
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: think sometimes when you talk about stuff like deep growth,

540
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: you can get into this, you can kind of it

541
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: can come across as if you're trying to like simplify,

542
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: like and if we do this, like it will be perfect.

543
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Like now, this would be like the hardest thing. That's

544
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: that's like saying we have to confix it by all

545
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: doing a revolution. It's like it's it's not okay, okay, cool, yeah,

546
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, But anyway, we have to do some

547
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: ads and then we'll be back to finish up kind

548
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: of their closing expectations on Copy six and the other

549
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: kind of things happening in the periphery. Um, here's ads. Okay,

550
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: we are back and we're talking about kind of what

551
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: happened towards the end of COP twenty six. So we

552
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: already kind of discussed how the deal was made, what

553
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: was in the deal, what things were talked about. Um,

554
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: now we're kind of going to talk about, you know,

555
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: the other kind of closing thoughts around it. Um in

556
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: in in. In the lead up to to cut to

557
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Speaker 1: play six, the United States Special Presidential Climate Envoy John Kerry,

558
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: who's like he's supposed to be like our climate guy.

559
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Speaker 1: Um he he also said the goal of the something

560
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: it was to it was to you know, hope that

561
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Speaker 1: we can limit stuff to one point in five degrees.

562
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: And you know he he called this the last best

563
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Speaker 1: hope for the world to get its act together. But

564
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: by the time Cutty six came to the end, his

565
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: language and attitude had kind of changed. Um after after

566
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Speaker 1: two weeks of debate and negotiation, his his final remarks

567
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: reflected the kind of the points we've been talking about,

568
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: how um and and and said, like like the government

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Speaker 1: energy policy is currently in place around the world are

570
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: projected to result in about two point seven degrees celsius

571
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: of warming above pre industrial levels, and government pledges to

572
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: cut climate emissions would limit warming to two point four

573
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: uh if they are met. So that's the again, we're

574
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: just launching way past this like mythical fantasy of of

575
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Speaker 1: one point five degrees. And the other scary things is

576
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: that we're getting a lot, a lot closer to large

577
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: scale feedback loops. Uh. Feedback loops are things like once

578
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: we have reached a certain degree of warming, environmental effects

579
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: will be triggered that will cascade and produce like exponential

580
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: growth in warming. This is like a this it's not

581
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: purely theoretical, but it is mostly stuff that we still

582
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Speaker 1: probably can prevent, and we really need to get on

583
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: it like a sap, because once these things start happening,

584
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: they are very hard to reverse. One of the biggest

585
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: ones that are that are already being affected is photosynthesis

586
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: by plants on land and how that is decreasing its

587
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: ability to suck up carbon um. About of our annual

588
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: carbon emissions are removed by the air by photosynthesis um

589
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: and the rest of which are dissolved in the ocean,

590
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: causing ocean acidification or that you just hang around in

591
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Speaker 1: the atmosphere, which causes you know, a bigger thermal blanket.

592
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: So uh, photos that this is has like a thermal

593
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Speaker 1: maximum beyond which carbon can only be taken so much

594
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: of it in and then the process which by plants

595
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: give off carbon and water actually increases. And we are

596
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: already at that point in a in a lot of places,

597
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Speaker 1: and we are we are at that we we achieve

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00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: the warming required to get to that point a few

599
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: times throughout the past decade. So land based carbon uptake

600
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: is projected to decline by nearly fifty percent as early

601
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Speaker 1: as and and these effects have not been included in

602
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Speaker 1: any of the you know, published pathways leading to lower

603
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: like lower degrees of warming. UM. And again this isn't,

604
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: this isn't just as speculative. Like the biggest example of

605
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: this that we can like point to is like the

606
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: Amazon rainforest. How that is now a net emitter because

607
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: it is no longer sucking up enough carbon to offset

608
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: the amount of carbon and actually shoots out. So we

609
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: need to stop deforestation to keep planting more trees essentially

610
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: because that that sucks. And also just as a general

611
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: kind of indicator of the cascading effects that are happening,

612
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: and we are we're still on the path for kind

613
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Speaker 1: of large, large scale disasters in a lot of places

614
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: around the world. UM. The it's around ninet of the

615
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Earth's land area is in pretty pretty dire of risk

616
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: on our current emission pathway of the Marshall Islands and

617
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Speaker 1: all dol VI's UM, Vietnam, Southeast Asia, Middle East, parts

618
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: of North Africa, and Central America. UM. Overall, around one

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Speaker 1: third of the land humans occupied are predicted to either

620
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Speaker 1: drowned by by sea level rise or became or become

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Speaker 1: too hot for human life. Just by the end of

622
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Speaker 1: this century alone, So that that will cause you know, migration,

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Speaker 1: panics and wars and all, like a whole bunch of

624
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: bad things that we can we can limit that, Like,

625
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: that is something that we need to limit now, and

626
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: if we don't, it's still it's still happening. So these

627
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: are the other kind of things talked about at the end.

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Speaker 1: Um So that was kind of copy as a whole. Um.

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Speaker 1: The one last thing I want to mention is just

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Speaker 1: how evil Facebook is. Um so kind of kind of

631
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Speaker 1: an aside, but um, Facebook's vice president of Global Affairs

632
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Speaker 1: UH talked um and about Facebook's efforts to combat climate misinformation.

633
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Speaker 1: UM as the Glasgow somewhat began. But as this was happening,

634
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Speaker 1: conservative media, let's like Newsmax or we're running ads on

635
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Facebook calling a global global warming a hoax, gaining hundreds

636
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Speaker 1: of thousands of views, stuff like you know Canadas so

637
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: One's and Daily Wire, we're spreading climate misinformation. But and

638
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, as as Facebook is bragging about its ability

639
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: to to combat misinformation around climate change. UM. The UK

640
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: based think tank Influence Map, which identified misleading Facebook ads

641
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: UH from several media outlets. UM A round copy also

642
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: found that fossil field companies and lobbying groups spent half

643
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: a million dollars on political and social issue Facebook ads

644
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: during the summit, resulting in over twenty two million impressions,

645
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Speaker 1: including content that promoted environmental effects under what we would

646
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: call like green washing stuff like you know, the American

647
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Speaker 1: Petroleum Institute putting up putting an ad out over like

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So I just think it's really dumb because

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Speaker 1: Facebook breaks about its ability to combat climate misinformation as

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Speaker 1: its running ads saying climate changes the hoax and then

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Speaker 1: doing generally green green washing is more common, but still

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Speaker 1: it's frustrating. Um and yeah, just there's a note like

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Speaker 1: spreader right now of climate disinformation on Facebook is bright Bart,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of the Facebook papers have gone on too.

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Speaker 1: Like the extreme lengths, Facebook executives went to keep bright

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Speaker 1: Bart as one of their like trusted news partners and

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Speaker 1: continue putting their stuff out to a huge audience because

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Speaker 1: it goes very viral. It was good for engagement on

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Speaker 1: the platform, and that's the decision. Facebooks like whatever they say.

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Speaker 1: This is like when we when we're talking about car

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Speaker 1: I'll do a bit of waffling because I don't want

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Speaker 1: way to go forward is. When it comes to how

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Speaker 1: they enabled it for direct profit and they talked about it,

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Speaker 1: and people within the company were like, Hey, we're deliberately

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Speaker 1: enabling climate change misinformation in order to make more money. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a very easy case to make. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that wraps up my uh my report back on

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Speaker 1: cop I know a lot of a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: before the somebody even ended, before the deal was even finalized,

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Speaker 1: I was like, twenty is a failure, which is like yes,

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Speaker 1: have this idea that they're like some like mythic secret

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Speaker 1: gathering of people to discuss plans, and it's like no,

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Speaker 1: like you can actually like see everything they're talking about,

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Speaker 1: like it's it's all out in the open, like you

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Speaker 1: can actually see what what the plans are. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: need to be all shrouded in it doesn't need be

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Speaker 1: like shrouded in mystery. So I just wanted to give

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Speaker 1: how they're discussing climate change, and what their expectations are,

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Speaker 1: and how you know, expectations have you know, the past

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Speaker 1: five years have risen by basically a degree, right, because

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Speaker 1: like we're like we can do one point five, and

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Speaker 1: now we're like we can do two point five. So

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Speaker 1: that is what we've done in five years. That's what's happened.

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Speaker 1: And that's what justifies the kind of blanket pessimism about

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Speaker 1: that like we've all watched the last twenty years, like

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Speaker 1: they've said a lot of great stuff about what could work.

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Speaker 1: It's like that Nature article about like okay, well, like

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Speaker 1: you've got a bunch of math here arguing about how

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Speaker 1: it might work. But we've got the last twenty years

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Speaker 1: of policies to snay but it probably won't. Right. But

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Speaker 1: it's almost certainly not going to work, right, So we

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Speaker 1: we can say, like, yeah, theoretically this might be helpful,

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Speaker 1: but like, realistically nothing, everything you guys have argued about

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Speaker 1: in the same way has been a miserable failure pretty much. Well,

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Speaker 1: that that wraps it up for us. Uh. You can

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Speaker 1: Happen Here pod and cool sid Media. We got a

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Speaker 1: That's pretty exciting. Yeah, check it out. It's about how

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Speaker 1: we love Amazon and you should pay the money. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's what it's about, but anyway, Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: buy some carbon offsets from Amazon and with that. With that,

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