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The model those emotionalizelf turning 18 00:01:09,706 --> 00:01:11,786 Speaker 1: handle and his website by a little bit of a 19 00:01:11,786 --> 00:01:15,746 Speaker 1: old pike was like before it for forty five is 20 00:01:15,786 --> 00:01:18,946 Speaker 1: on the one way forty or five looking to go. 21 00:01:19,426 --> 00:01:25,706 Speaker 1: He's the same pak or go or go touchdown says 22 00:01:26,066 --> 00:01:33,506 Speaker 1: all sixty seven yard run or shawnlich only label the 23 00:01:33,506 --> 00:01:38,906 Speaker 1: Baste is alive in the world. The Beast was most 24 00:01:39,106 --> 00:01:43,386 Speaker 1: definitely alive. He was going full on Beast mode, and 25 00:01:43,626 --> 00:01:48,706 Speaker 1: that play right there is forever known as the Beast Quake. 26 00:01:49,266 --> 00:01:53,866 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to NFL explained I'm a deedy Kinkabwalla, 27 00:01:53,986 --> 00:01:58,346 Speaker 1: joined as always by the wonderful and eloquent Mike yam 28 00:01:58,426 --> 00:02:01,826 Speaker 1: what's up, Yammer. I'm doing great. I cannot tell you 29 00:02:01,906 --> 00:02:04,866 Speaker 1: how excited I am because you just dropped Yammer out there. 30 00:02:05,066 --> 00:02:09,186 Speaker 1: My nickname not nearly as cool as Marshawn Lynches. Although 31 00:02:09,626 --> 00:02:12,546 Speaker 1: I can't do what Marshawn did in that NFC wild 32 00:02:12,626 --> 00:02:15,106 Speaker 1: Card game back in If I was able to stiff arm, 33 00:02:15,426 --> 00:02:17,786 Speaker 1: push five dudes off of me in an NFL football 34 00:02:17,786 --> 00:02:19,946 Speaker 1: game and get into the end zone, believe me, I 35 00:02:19,986 --> 00:02:23,826 Speaker 1: would want the fans basically erupting so darn loud that 36 00:02:23,906 --> 00:02:26,786 Speaker 1: the place would be shaking. And that's exactly what happened, right. 37 00:02:26,906 --> 00:02:31,626 Speaker 1: The crowd was so loud the noise registered on the 38 00:02:31,706 --> 00:02:34,186 Speaker 1: Richter scale, and that's kind of be some sort of 39 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:40,186 Speaker 1: crazy trifecta, one nickname leading to one action leading to 40 00:02:40,586 --> 00:02:44,946 Speaker 1: one event. I mean, and the whole pantheon of NFL nicknames. 41 00:02:44,946 --> 00:02:48,666 Speaker 1: What better way to start the show, right, It's totally appropriate. 42 00:02:48,706 --> 00:02:52,506 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, Sometimes names evolve over time, and 43 00:02:52,626 --> 00:02:56,466 Speaker 1: for Marshawn Lynch, his actually did because think about it 44 00:02:56,506 --> 00:02:58,506 Speaker 1: this way, like when he was playing Pop Warner football, 45 00:02:58,866 --> 00:03:01,226 Speaker 1: man child is what he was called, and then as 46 00:03:01,266 --> 00:03:04,186 Speaker 1: he grew up, it's sort of evolved into beasts and 47 00:03:04,186 --> 00:03:06,786 Speaker 1: then it clearly stuck. I once again just wish I 48 00:03:06,826 --> 00:03:08,826 Speaker 1: had it. But when you think about some of these nicknames, 49 00:03:08,986 --> 00:03:10,826 Speaker 1: there are so many a deity that are just so 50 00:03:10,946 --> 00:03:13,746 Speaker 1: darn creative, and you just wonder, like, where the hell 51 00:03:13,826 --> 00:03:15,826 Speaker 1: did that come from? So I think on today's show 52 00:03:15,826 --> 00:03:17,866 Speaker 1: like we should go through some of our favorites and 53 00:03:18,026 --> 00:03:20,626 Speaker 1: explain as much as we can some of the origins 54 00:03:20,666 --> 00:03:23,146 Speaker 1: of some of those nicknames for sure, because just like 55 00:03:23,186 --> 00:03:26,826 Speaker 1: when we did this over team names, some of them 56 00:03:26,946 --> 00:03:30,426 Speaker 1: are extremely obvious. Like you said, I mean, take Iron 57 00:03:30,586 --> 00:03:34,106 Speaker 1: Mike Ditka. He grew up in western Pennsylvania, in the 58 00:03:34,266 --> 00:03:38,266 Speaker 1: steel towns of Western Pennsylvania. Obviously he was Iron Mike, 59 00:03:38,706 --> 00:03:42,666 Speaker 1: but Sweetness. We're going to get to sweetness and Walter Peyton. 60 00:03:43,026 --> 00:03:46,746 Speaker 1: That one's a little bit less obvious. Let's say, yeah, No, 61 00:03:46,866 --> 00:03:49,866 Speaker 1: there's other obvious ones, right like Javon Curse the freak. 62 00:03:50,026 --> 00:03:52,146 Speaker 1: Just watch him on the football field. Yeah, that one 63 00:03:52,426 --> 00:03:55,706 Speaker 1: is finning Dante Hall the human joystick once again, one 64 00:03:55,746 --> 00:03:58,866 Speaker 1: that just applies. But there's been something that's been bugging. 65 00:03:58,866 --> 00:04:02,946 Speaker 1: I mean, do you have a nickname because you dropped mine? Well, yes, 66 00:04:03,106 --> 00:04:06,066 Speaker 1: I mean I had a family friendly one and one 67 00:04:06,146 --> 00:04:09,026 Speaker 1: that I don't particularly feel like sharing. But I will 68 00:04:09,026 --> 00:04:10,586 Speaker 1: say that when I was a child, I was called 69 00:04:10,626 --> 00:04:15,426 Speaker 1: Adidas fairly regularly. Oh I like that, add Adidas. Can 70 00:04:15,466 --> 00:04:17,426 Speaker 1: I start calling you Adidas? You're more than welcome to 71 00:04:17,466 --> 00:04:19,666 Speaker 1: do that. I've also been called a deed. I've been 72 00:04:19,666 --> 00:04:22,386 Speaker 1: called Deats. Okay, I got a little surprised for you 73 00:04:22,426 --> 00:04:24,546 Speaker 1: at the end of the show with regard to your nicknames. 74 00:04:24,786 --> 00:04:27,866 Speaker 1: I hope it's a shoe deal that seems to be 75 00:04:27,946 --> 00:04:31,946 Speaker 1: a running commentary through our episodes here. Let's just say, 76 00:04:32,306 --> 00:04:34,626 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker is getting his shoe deal before you and 77 00:04:34,666 --> 00:04:37,666 Speaker 1: I are getting our shoe deal. Okay, that was a disappointment, 78 00:04:37,706 --> 00:04:41,306 Speaker 1: But what won't be a disappointment, I promise is this episode. Yeah, 79 00:04:41,466 --> 00:04:43,906 Speaker 1: you know, I've been so so excited for this one 80 00:04:43,986 --> 00:04:49,146 Speaker 1: because there are people with nicknames, there are units with nicknames, 81 00:04:49,186 --> 00:04:53,706 Speaker 1: there are whole teams with nicknames. And again, like I said, 82 00:04:54,106 --> 00:04:57,186 Speaker 1: running through some of our favorites, the history the story 83 00:04:57,306 --> 00:05:00,746 Speaker 1: behind some my favorite thing to do, especially when I 84 00:05:00,746 --> 00:05:02,866 Speaker 1: get to do it with you. Well, look, let's just 85 00:05:03,146 --> 00:05:05,786 Speaker 1: roll into it, because there was an email chain that 86 00:05:05,986 --> 00:05:07,986 Speaker 1: was going and this might be a little too inside baseball, 87 00:05:08,026 --> 00:05:10,426 Speaker 1: but I do think it speaks to what you're referring 88 00:05:10,466 --> 00:05:15,586 Speaker 1: to on players, teams, units that had nicknames, and we 89 00:05:15,666 --> 00:05:18,306 Speaker 1: had to claim five piece. Let's just say that there 90 00:05:18,346 --> 00:05:21,306 Speaker 1: was a little bit of real estate grabbing. I think 91 00:05:21,306 --> 00:05:23,146 Speaker 1: I might have saw the email in the text message 92 00:05:23,186 --> 00:05:25,066 Speaker 1: before you did, so I'm like, oh damn, I'm getting 93 00:05:25,066 --> 00:05:27,306 Speaker 1: on this real fast because I don't want Adidas over 94 00:05:27,346 --> 00:05:29,946 Speaker 1: here to try to take some of my nicknames and 95 00:05:29,986 --> 00:05:32,026 Speaker 1: some of the players. So I'll kick things off here 96 00:05:32,066 --> 00:05:34,186 Speaker 1: because for me, one of the ones that really stood 97 00:05:34,186 --> 00:05:36,466 Speaker 1: out I just remember, and not to get into the 98 00:05:36,466 --> 00:05:39,066 Speaker 1: whole fantasy thing, but Chad Johnson, how about Ocho Sinko. 99 00:05:39,586 --> 00:05:42,306 Speaker 1: Joe Sinko is going to kick the extra point and 100 00:05:42,306 --> 00:05:44,266 Speaker 1: you know what I heard, he kicks pretty well. At 101 00:05:44,346 --> 00:05:49,586 Speaker 1: least that's the word. Kevin Hubert, the normal holder. We'll 102 00:05:49,626 --> 00:05:53,666 Speaker 1: put it down high snap. Look at that he drills it. 103 00:05:54,946 --> 00:05:58,186 Speaker 1: O Joe Sinko point. I heard somebody was telling me 104 00:05:58,266 --> 00:06:00,186 Speaker 1: that he was kicking one day of practice and they 105 00:06:00,186 --> 00:06:02,386 Speaker 1: said he was kicking up believable. He'll be hard to 106 00:06:02,426 --> 00:06:06,106 Speaker 1: live with. Like you think about Ocho Sinko, how different 107 00:06:06,146 --> 00:06:08,266 Speaker 1: it is and the buzz, and I think there's so 108 00:06:08,346 --> 00:06:10,786 Speaker 1: much that it was made around that time. It's sort 109 00:06:10,826 --> 00:06:13,346 Speaker 1: of like a joke and being funny. But when you 110 00:06:13,426 --> 00:06:17,346 Speaker 1: legally change your name like Chad Johnson did to Ocho 111 00:06:17,466 --> 00:06:19,626 Speaker 1: Sinko on the back of his jersey because he was 112 00:06:19,706 --> 00:06:21,626 Speaker 1: fined by the NFL when he did that, when you 113 00:06:21,706 --> 00:06:23,946 Speaker 1: legally change your name like he did in two thousand eight, 114 00:06:24,066 --> 00:06:27,226 Speaker 1: it no longer becomes a joke. Now it is really serious. 115 00:06:27,266 --> 00:06:29,986 Speaker 1: And just in case you're wondering, he did return his 116 00:06:30,066 --> 00:06:32,546 Speaker 1: last name back in so we can just go with 117 00:06:32,626 --> 00:06:36,786 Speaker 1: Chad Johnson. But the lore and the legacy surrounding Ocho Sinko, 118 00:06:36,946 --> 00:06:39,706 Speaker 1: it doesn't go away. Legal name or not. Fine, but 119 00:06:39,906 --> 00:06:42,146 Speaker 1: I'm going to disagree with you right here. You think 120 00:06:42,186 --> 00:06:44,346 Speaker 1: that that was a major grab. I think there are 121 00:06:44,386 --> 00:06:48,466 Speaker 1: actually two Bengals players that had better nicknames than Ocho 122 00:06:48,546 --> 00:06:51,826 Speaker 1: Sinko given to me. Well, one of them absolutely has 123 00:06:51,866 --> 00:06:55,666 Speaker 1: to be Albert Woods, better known as Ikey. I mean, 124 00:06:55,866 --> 00:06:59,546 Speaker 1: and when we talk about variations and offshoots, the Ikey shuffle. 125 00:06:59,866 --> 00:07:02,266 Speaker 1: And do you know how Ikey Woods actually got his name? No, 126 00:07:02,386 --> 00:07:05,706 Speaker 1: please explain. His brother couldn't say Albert. He just kept 127 00:07:05,786 --> 00:07:09,626 Speaker 1: thing e e e e and that eventually turned into Ikey. 128 00:07:09,666 --> 00:07:12,626 Speaker 1: And here, very quickly is my second former Cincinnati Bengals 129 00:07:12,626 --> 00:07:16,066 Speaker 1: player with a very very very good nickname, Andy Dalton, 130 00:07:16,426 --> 00:07:20,346 Speaker 1: the Red Rifle. Oh I didn't even think of that one. 131 00:07:20,666 --> 00:07:23,186 Speaker 1: That's a good one, of course. No, well, due by you, 132 00:07:23,426 --> 00:07:26,546 Speaker 1: I have to tell you. Andy Dalton was not happy 133 00:07:26,586 --> 00:07:29,746 Speaker 1: when J. J. Watch said, well, we wanted to turn 134 00:07:29,786 --> 00:07:33,666 Speaker 1: the red Rifle into a Red Rider bb gun. So 135 00:07:34,466 --> 00:07:38,706 Speaker 1: sometimes your nickname can be taken from you and bastardized. 136 00:07:38,946 --> 00:07:41,506 Speaker 1: But anyway, let's move on. You give me your next one, 137 00:07:41,546 --> 00:07:43,746 Speaker 1: and I'll do my best to knock it down because 138 00:07:43,826 --> 00:07:45,866 Speaker 1: that's what I like doing. It's hard for me to 139 00:07:45,946 --> 00:07:48,266 Speaker 1: go to the next one. Because now I just have 140 00:07:48,506 --> 00:07:51,026 Speaker 1: like a Christmas story in my head and a leg 141 00:07:51,186 --> 00:07:54,746 Speaker 1: lamp just pictured in my brain right now. And maybe 142 00:07:54,786 --> 00:07:56,826 Speaker 1: there's a younger audience that has no idea what I'm 143 00:07:56,866 --> 00:07:59,906 Speaker 1: referring to. Google it, trust me and watching around Christmas time, 144 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:03,386 Speaker 1: please because it's like a holiday tradition. Prime Time, how 145 00:08:03,426 --> 00:08:10,466 Speaker 1: about Dion Sanders, but his parents such a kick the sideline? 146 00:08:10,626 --> 00:08:15,346 Speaker 1: Dion Sanders Sanders is dashing, You're looking backwards from about 147 00:08:15,386 --> 00:08:17,786 Speaker 1: the forty yard line. Is he gonna do a number 148 00:08:17,786 --> 00:08:23,146 Speaker 1: on the crown here? Prime Time Sanders shows how I 149 00:08:23,226 --> 00:08:27,386 Speaker 1: gots nos all the way for a touchdown. I think 150 00:08:27,386 --> 00:08:29,506 Speaker 1: about what he did on both sides of the football, 151 00:08:29,626 --> 00:08:31,906 Speaker 1: the flare, the dramatics, you know. I know ESPN did 152 00:08:31,906 --> 00:08:33,706 Speaker 1: that thirty for thirty with him as sort of the 153 00:08:33,706 --> 00:08:35,306 Speaker 1: focal point. I think it was a thirty for thirty. 154 00:08:35,426 --> 00:08:38,826 Speaker 1: Like he's one of those characters that if he's on 155 00:08:38,946 --> 00:08:42,346 Speaker 1: my phone, if he's on the television, I gravitate. I 156 00:08:42,506 --> 00:08:45,306 Speaker 1: stop what I'm doing because it's Prime. And when it's 157 00:08:45,346 --> 00:08:48,306 Speaker 1: Dion Sanders referring to himself as Prime, I always get 158 00:08:48,346 --> 00:08:50,186 Speaker 1: a kick out of. It's like when Ricky Henderson was 159 00:08:50,186 --> 00:08:52,626 Speaker 1: referring to himself in the third person. Dion does sort 160 00:08:52,666 --> 00:08:54,866 Speaker 1: of the same thing with prime Time. It is a 161 00:08:54,906 --> 00:08:58,706 Speaker 1: completely appropriate name, but it has nothing to do with football, 162 00:08:58,826 --> 00:09:02,146 Speaker 1: but it also speaks to what he was as an athlete. 163 00:09:02,146 --> 00:09:04,386 Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument Dion Sanders Boat 164 00:09:04,466 --> 00:09:07,986 Speaker 1: Jackson might be too, were the greatest athletes that sports 165 00:09:08,106 --> 00:09:10,826 Speaker 1: has ever seen to play at the pro level in 166 00:09:10,906 --> 00:09:14,746 Speaker 1: two sports like Dion Sanders MBO. Jackson did really amazing 167 00:09:14,786 --> 00:09:18,226 Speaker 1: baseball and football, and yet the name prime Time originates 168 00:09:18,586 --> 00:09:20,986 Speaker 1: because of what he did on a basketball floor. High 169 00:09:20,986 --> 00:09:24,746 Speaker 1: school friend name Richard Fain actually gave him the nickname 170 00:09:24,826 --> 00:09:27,106 Speaker 1: after he put up thirty points in a basketball game. 171 00:09:27,146 --> 00:09:29,346 Speaker 1: I would have thought it was a higher point total 172 00:09:29,466 --> 00:09:31,986 Speaker 1: a d D than thirty, like more like fifty plus. 173 00:09:32,026 --> 00:09:34,786 Speaker 1: But he must have had some spectacular moves. And now, 174 00:09:34,826 --> 00:09:36,986 Speaker 1: of course he's doing his thing as the head coach 175 00:09:37,026 --> 00:09:39,066 Speaker 1: at Jackson State. You know what's funny about that one. 176 00:09:39,306 --> 00:09:42,746 Speaker 1: I remember him also being Neon Dion when he played 177 00:09:42,786 --> 00:09:46,026 Speaker 1: for the Yankees, so he had another nickname. But here's 178 00:09:46,066 --> 00:09:48,466 Speaker 1: another thing that I'll give Deon Sanders credit for, and 179 00:09:48,586 --> 00:09:52,506 Speaker 1: that is bestowing a nickname. He is the man who 180 00:09:52,546 --> 00:09:55,506 Speaker 1: came up with any time for the fabulous return man 181 00:09:55,586 --> 00:09:59,266 Speaker 1: Devin Hester, and that is because whenever Devin Hester had 182 00:09:59,306 --> 00:10:04,586 Speaker 1: the ball, any time he can score. Props for that one. 183 00:10:05,026 --> 00:10:07,306 Speaker 1: That's definitely a good one. I actually thought you would 184 00:10:07,306 --> 00:10:12,786 Speaker 1: gravitate towards Slash because I think of you obviously covering 185 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:14,906 Speaker 1: the Steelers a lot living in Pittsburgh, and I was like, Oh, 186 00:10:14,906 --> 00:10:16,746 Speaker 1: I wonder if Cordell Steward is one of the people 187 00:10:16,746 --> 00:10:18,746 Speaker 1: that Ady is going to try to grab. I think 188 00:10:18,746 --> 00:10:20,466 Speaker 1: about him and what he was able to do in 189 00:10:20,626 --> 00:10:23,866 Speaker 1: Boulder at see you, and how athletic he was. But 190 00:10:24,306 --> 00:10:26,346 Speaker 1: the name, and this is what surprised me. I thought 191 00:10:26,386 --> 00:10:28,386 Speaker 1: he was still Slash when he was in college. That 192 00:10:28,426 --> 00:10:32,626 Speaker 1: apparently was not the case. Steelers commentator Myron Cope, a 193 00:10:32,746 --> 00:10:38,466 Speaker 1: legendary voice around Steelers Nation, actually gave Cordell the nickname 194 00:10:38,546 --> 00:10:41,506 Speaker 1: because of his ability to play different positions, whether it's quarterback, 195 00:10:41,626 --> 00:10:44,666 Speaker 1: running back, and wide receiver. But to me, if you 196 00:10:44,706 --> 00:10:47,786 Speaker 1: saw him on the football field, you understand why he 197 00:10:47,826 --> 00:10:50,306 Speaker 1: was given that nickname. Slash kind of like any time, right, 198 00:10:50,306 --> 00:10:54,106 Speaker 1: like it's appropriate, the physical response that you get and 199 00:10:54,146 --> 00:10:56,106 Speaker 1: if you have to put it to a word, Cordell 200 00:10:56,146 --> 00:10:58,906 Speaker 1: Stewart's style of play, Slash. It all makes sense to me. 201 00:10:58,986 --> 00:11:02,386 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I think I remember seeing 202 00:11:02,466 --> 00:11:06,666 Speaker 1: somewhere that Bill Kawer coach Bill Kawer to take credit 203 00:11:06,826 --> 00:11:10,226 Speaker 1: for calling him Slash. But Slash is certainly a little 204 00:11:10,226 --> 00:11:15,306 Speaker 1: bit more entertaining than one of his successors, of course, 205 00:11:15,346 --> 00:11:19,266 Speaker 1: and that is big Ben, Big Ben Roethlisberger, because I 206 00:11:19,306 --> 00:11:23,906 Speaker 1: mean he is big. Yeah. See whenever they tiny and 207 00:11:24,066 --> 00:11:26,986 Speaker 1: big for the nicknames, like when it's the reverse, like 208 00:11:26,986 --> 00:11:29,306 Speaker 1: when it's a big dude who gets the nickname tiny 209 00:11:29,546 --> 00:11:32,066 Speaker 1: or a big guy like my nieces and nephews will 210 00:11:32,066 --> 00:11:34,106 Speaker 1: call me Big Mike, and I love it because they're 211 00:11:34,106 --> 00:11:36,266 Speaker 1: too young to know that I'm really not Big Mike, 212 00:11:36,346 --> 00:11:38,186 Speaker 1: but I will. I'll take it for as long as 213 00:11:38,386 --> 00:11:41,026 Speaker 1: I can. Sure. It's like two tall drones. Is not 214 00:11:41,066 --> 00:11:44,026 Speaker 1: a little guy. He obviously was too tall. So there 215 00:11:44,066 --> 00:11:46,026 Speaker 1: you go. Big Ben, Well, he's obviously one of the 216 00:11:46,026 --> 00:11:48,266 Speaker 1: biggest things on the field, like Big Ben in London, 217 00:11:48,306 --> 00:11:50,226 Speaker 1: which I don't think really actually had anything to do 218 00:11:50,266 --> 00:11:51,746 Speaker 1: with it, but I did cover him in a game 219 00:11:51,826 --> 00:11:54,186 Speaker 1: in London where he stood next to Big Ben, and 220 00:11:54,226 --> 00:11:56,986 Speaker 1: it made for you know, quite an iconic photograph. I 221 00:11:56,986 --> 00:12:00,426 Speaker 1: gotta go through my mental rolodex on things. And you're 222 00:12:00,586 --> 00:12:03,146 Speaker 1: timing in terms of your career because you covered the 223 00:12:03,186 --> 00:12:05,826 Speaker 1: Giants for a significant period of time. I don't like 224 00:12:05,946 --> 00:12:08,306 Speaker 1: and on the years, but just being in that area, 225 00:12:08,746 --> 00:12:12,706 Speaker 1: you probably made reference to Rivas Islands more than a 226 00:12:12,706 --> 00:12:16,666 Speaker 1: few times in a Gang Green. Speaking of nicknames, uniform, 227 00:12:16,746 --> 00:12:20,426 Speaker 1: Darrell Rivas because I felt like I referenced Rivas Island 228 00:12:20,706 --> 00:12:23,586 Speaker 1: more times than not. When I was actually working at 229 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:25,906 Speaker 1: ESPN at the time and we were doing highlights around 230 00:12:25,946 --> 00:12:29,266 Speaker 1: the NFL. Darrell Rivas was a spectacular a cover corner 231 00:12:29,306 --> 00:12:32,346 Speaker 1: as you have seen in the NFL. And once again 232 00:12:32,906 --> 00:12:35,866 Speaker 1: that nickname very appropriate to what he was able to 233 00:12:35,906 --> 00:12:38,346 Speaker 1: do to wide receivers. So Darrell Rivas is also a 234 00:12:38,426 --> 00:12:41,146 Speaker 1: native of Western p a very good guy. When the 235 00:12:41,226 --> 00:12:43,906 Speaker 1: Jets were going through their bad phase, which you know 236 00:12:43,986 --> 00:12:46,186 Speaker 1: has happened on occasion, or when they were going through 237 00:12:46,186 --> 00:12:49,106 Speaker 1: one of their bad phases, I always thought that Gang 238 00:12:49,106 --> 00:12:54,346 Speaker 1: Green reminded me of Gang Green G A N G 239 00:12:54,946 --> 00:12:58,906 Speaker 1: R E N E, which is what like dead tissue, 240 00:12:59,066 --> 00:13:03,626 Speaker 1: and so I felt like gang space Green should maybe 241 00:13:03,626 --> 00:13:05,666 Speaker 1: not be used because it makes you think of gang, 242 00:13:06,146 --> 00:13:10,106 Speaker 1: but that's just me also appropriate at the same time, 243 00:13:10,146 --> 00:13:12,666 Speaker 1: and Jets fans right now, don't hate me. You you 244 00:13:12,746 --> 00:13:16,586 Speaker 1: understand where I'm going with this. Um My last favorite, 245 00:13:16,626 --> 00:13:18,546 Speaker 1: because we had to pick five, was a guy that 246 00:13:18,586 --> 00:13:21,306 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to become friends with over the years, 247 00:13:21,746 --> 00:13:24,666 Speaker 1: and I refer to him as Snake a lot, Jake Plumber, 248 00:13:25,146 --> 00:13:27,426 Speaker 1: and I reached out to him knowing that we were 249 00:13:27,426 --> 00:13:29,226 Speaker 1: going to do the show, and we were talking and 250 00:13:29,266 --> 00:13:32,106 Speaker 1: I said, Hey, like Jacob doing this podcast, NFL explained, 251 00:13:32,106 --> 00:13:34,706 Speaker 1: and we're doing nicknames. You're stood out to me because 252 00:13:34,706 --> 00:13:37,106 Speaker 1: I call you Snake all the time. And I said, 253 00:13:37,146 --> 00:13:39,266 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's something to do with the way that 254 00:13:39,306 --> 00:13:41,066 Speaker 1: you played, right because you were kind of you had 255 00:13:41,106 --> 00:13:43,506 Speaker 1: a little bit of wiggle And he laughed and he said, no, 256 00:13:43,546 --> 00:13:46,066 Speaker 1: it's actually not how it came about, and he said 257 00:13:46,106 --> 00:13:47,626 Speaker 1: it is true, though he did tell me he's like, 258 00:13:47,666 --> 00:13:49,386 Speaker 1: no, no no, I definitely had wiggles, so I know where 259 00:13:49,426 --> 00:13:51,986 Speaker 1: you're where it's coming from. But he used my term 260 00:13:52,266 --> 00:13:55,186 Speaker 1: to explain the story. He said, the wiggle and the 261 00:13:55,306 --> 00:13:58,106 Speaker 1: nickname actually came from when he was a kid. He 262 00:13:58,186 --> 00:14:00,786 Speaker 1: was playing a lot of um dodge ball, apparently with 263 00:14:00,826 --> 00:14:04,186 Speaker 1: his brothers, and his brothers gave him the nickname after 264 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:07,466 Speaker 1: Jake read Kenny stay Bler's book called the Snake the 265 00:14:07,506 --> 00:14:10,226 Speaker 1: other nickname for the other quarterback. And then when he 266 00:14:10,226 --> 00:14:13,306 Speaker 1: got to a s U he signed his first autograph 267 00:14:13,386 --> 00:14:16,626 Speaker 1: as Jake the Snake Plumber and it's stuck from there. 268 00:14:16,746 --> 00:14:19,306 Speaker 1: So appropriate, not only for the way that he played, 269 00:14:19,346 --> 00:14:21,186 Speaker 1: but it had nothing to do with that. It was 270 00:14:21,226 --> 00:14:23,826 Speaker 1: his big brothers just giving him the nickname. We have 271 00:14:23,986 --> 00:14:26,986 Speaker 1: seen quite a few of these stories right where it's 272 00:14:27,146 --> 00:14:32,066 Speaker 1: brothers or grandmothers or siblings of sisters, you know, parents. 273 00:14:32,146 --> 00:14:34,706 Speaker 1: I was just reading about ha ha Clinton Dix. That's 274 00:14:34,746 --> 00:14:38,986 Speaker 1: not actually his name. His name is has seen, but 275 00:14:39,106 --> 00:14:42,226 Speaker 1: his grandmother when he was three years old, because he 276 00:14:42,266 --> 00:14:45,586 Speaker 1: would giggle all the time, called him ha ha instead. 277 00:14:45,786 --> 00:14:49,426 Speaker 1: And now his teammates just call him ha ha. Just 278 00:14:49,466 --> 00:14:50,946 Speaker 1: throwing that out there. You know, it is kind of 279 00:14:50,946 --> 00:14:54,106 Speaker 1: weird how teammates can sometimes come up. I hope that 280 00:14:54,146 --> 00:14:56,586 Speaker 1: didn't come about because of the you know, I think 281 00:14:56,586 --> 00:14:58,546 Speaker 1: some players say, hey, you can't pronounce my name, you 282 00:14:58,546 --> 00:15:00,986 Speaker 1: can call me this. That actually happened one time Tina 283 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:04,026 Speaker 1: by Woozier, who obviously has now been balling out with Cincinnati. 284 00:15:04,306 --> 00:15:06,346 Speaker 1: I remember meeting him for the first time and I said, hey, 285 00:15:06,346 --> 00:15:07,746 Speaker 1: I don't want to mispronounce your name. He's like, oh, 286 00:15:07,866 --> 00:15:09,626 Speaker 1: just call me Cheeto. And I was like, no, no no, no, 287 00:15:09,666 --> 00:15:11,266 Speaker 1: tell me how to pronounce it, and he taught me, 288 00:15:11,266 --> 00:15:14,226 Speaker 1: and obviously now I can say it. But everyone referenced 289 00:15:14,266 --> 00:15:17,586 Speaker 1: him as Cheeto because of the struggles of pronouncing his name, 290 00:15:17,626 --> 00:15:19,786 Speaker 1: and yet here it is. He still has the ability 291 00:15:20,266 --> 00:15:23,186 Speaker 1: to have a cool nickname. But also people know how 292 00:15:23,226 --> 00:15:25,706 Speaker 1: to say his name because he's obviously having success now 293 00:15:25,746 --> 00:15:29,426 Speaker 1: on Sundays. Well, frankly, that's where I think Adidas comes from. 294 00:15:29,546 --> 00:15:33,146 Speaker 1: It's a D D sounds like Adidas without the US. Yeah, 295 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:36,426 Speaker 1: get it. So it's a common yeah. All right, Just 296 00:15:36,466 --> 00:15:39,986 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not limiting myself to five okay, 297 00:15:40,026 --> 00:15:42,746 Speaker 1: all right, So you're a little rule breaker over here, Adidas. 298 00:15:42,826 --> 00:15:46,226 Speaker 1: All right, Well, one of us needs to be right. 299 00:15:46,706 --> 00:15:49,946 Speaker 1: I think that since you mentioned being in western Pennsylvania, 300 00:15:50,026 --> 00:15:51,986 Speaker 1: one of the names that I have to start with 301 00:15:52,266 --> 00:15:56,626 Speaker 1: is Craig iron Hood Hayward. Now part of that is 302 00:15:56,666 --> 00:15:58,946 Speaker 1: because of course I cover his son, cam Hayward, who 303 00:15:59,146 --> 00:16:02,946 Speaker 1: is a star defensive end and captain for the Pittsburgh Steelers. 304 00:16:03,026 --> 00:16:06,986 Speaker 1: Just a wonderful gentleman. And he, of course is the 305 00:16:07,026 --> 00:16:11,506 Speaker 1: son of the former pit star Craig Hayward, who was 306 00:16:11,706 --> 00:16:15,386 Speaker 1: probably maybe twelve or thirteen years old. He was hanging 307 00:16:15,386 --> 00:16:17,706 Speaker 1: out at a boys and girls club in New Jersey, 308 00:16:17,746 --> 00:16:19,626 Speaker 1: and of course you and I are both from New Jersey, 309 00:16:19,666 --> 00:16:24,306 Speaker 1: so there's another connection. And some of the other kids started, 310 00:16:25,106 --> 00:16:29,386 Speaker 1: I don't know, creating a little trouble, and something led 311 00:16:29,426 --> 00:16:32,546 Speaker 1: to something else led to something else, and a kid, 312 00:16:32,786 --> 00:16:37,386 Speaker 1: as a legend goes apparently hit Craig Hayward over the 313 00:16:37,426 --> 00:16:41,666 Speaker 1: head with a pool queue. Now it was the cue 314 00:16:41,706 --> 00:16:48,506 Speaker 1: that broke, not Kim Hayward's dad's head. So after Kim 315 00:16:48,546 --> 00:16:52,746 Speaker 1: Hayward's dad's head, Craig Hayward's head was totally fine. His 316 00:16:52,946 --> 00:16:57,266 Speaker 1: mother started calling him Ironhead, and it just sort of stuck. 317 00:16:57,306 --> 00:16:59,746 Speaker 1: And then you think about the type of player he was, 318 00:17:00,226 --> 00:17:02,986 Speaker 1: the way that he ran the football, how he ran 319 00:17:03,066 --> 00:17:06,786 Speaker 1: over people, his toughness, well, it was again kind of 320 00:17:06,826 --> 00:17:11,666 Speaker 1: like Yammer, a name that really fit. Once he got 321 00:17:11,746 --> 00:17:17,306 Speaker 1: into his vocation, I un't heard, Hey, work boy is work? 322 00:17:20,066 --> 00:17:22,426 Speaker 1: Why did he make a couple of people pay for 323 00:17:22,546 --> 00:17:25,986 Speaker 1: being in a wrong place. 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Since we 358 00:19:15,746 --> 00:19:18,026 Speaker 1: talked about my growing up a Giants fan, well, then 359 00:19:18,066 --> 00:19:22,066 Speaker 1: of course Bill Parcels, the tuna comes up, and I 360 00:19:22,266 --> 00:19:26,786 Speaker 1: tried hard to figure out where exactly this definitely totally 361 00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:32,026 Speaker 1: came from. But I'll say that even our fabulous, amazing researchers, 362 00:19:32,906 --> 00:19:37,586 Speaker 1: they think they think it's because of what Bill Parcels 363 00:19:37,666 --> 00:19:41,706 Speaker 1: used to say himself. Apparently whenever somebody would say something 364 00:19:42,106 --> 00:19:46,026 Speaker 1: ridiculous or absurd to him His response was, who do 365 00:19:46,066 --> 00:19:48,946 Speaker 1: you think I am? Charlie the Tuna, And that's because 366 00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:53,306 Speaker 1: Charlie the Tuna was apparently an animated character for Starkist 367 00:19:53,826 --> 00:19:58,346 Speaker 1: brand Tuna, and somehow the Hall of Fame coach Bill 368 00:19:58,386 --> 00:20:02,106 Speaker 1: Parcels became known as the Tuna. I love that story, 369 00:20:02,226 --> 00:20:05,066 Speaker 1: and I think every time I make tuna melts at home, 370 00:20:05,226 --> 00:20:08,426 Speaker 1: I will think about Bill Parcels. Okay, if that will 371 00:20:08,466 --> 00:20:11,586 Speaker 1: help your appetite, you go right ahead and do that. Okay. 372 00:20:11,586 --> 00:20:13,626 Speaker 1: So we have to move on to the refrigerator, because 373 00:20:13,626 --> 00:20:16,026 Speaker 1: the fridge has been a star in several of our episodes. 374 00:20:16,386 --> 00:20:21,306 Speaker 1: We've had his right like him running the football in London. Now, 375 00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:25,986 Speaker 1: of course, his day job was as an enormous defensive 376 00:20:26,026 --> 00:20:29,386 Speaker 1: lineman who just occasionally moonlighted as a ball carrier. And 377 00:20:29,626 --> 00:20:33,746 Speaker 1: the fridge is not because he was so enormous clogging 378 00:20:33,826 --> 00:20:37,026 Speaker 1: up the lanes on a football field, but because when 379 00:20:37,026 --> 00:20:40,466 Speaker 1: he was in college at Clemson, he was on an 380 00:20:40,466 --> 00:20:45,346 Speaker 1: elevator and a friend said that you're blocking all of 381 00:20:45,386 --> 00:20:48,386 Speaker 1: the elevator's light and you're taking up all the space. 382 00:20:48,586 --> 00:20:52,746 Speaker 1: You're like a walking refrigerator. And so then that stuck. 383 00:20:53,026 --> 00:20:54,546 Speaker 1: But as I said to you earlier. Some of my 384 00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:59,506 Speaker 1: favorite things are derivatives. When the Packers later on had b. J. Rogie, 385 00:20:59,946 --> 00:21:05,226 Speaker 1: another enormously big defensive lineman who occasionally moonlighted carrying the football, 386 00:21:05,386 --> 00:21:08,506 Speaker 1: based calling him the freezer, isn't it clever? I do 387 00:21:08,706 --> 00:21:11,226 Speaker 1: like that. It's very fitting. Although I think you can 388 00:21:11,266 --> 00:21:15,066 Speaker 1: go like solar eclipse, but the refrigerator seems very appropriate. 389 00:21:15,306 --> 00:21:17,706 Speaker 1: Here's another one, Western p A and other Steelers one. 390 00:21:17,746 --> 00:21:20,346 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I have two more Steelers ones just because 391 00:21:20,746 --> 00:21:22,666 Speaker 1: I sort of have to have them. I just think 392 00:21:22,666 --> 00:21:26,546 Speaker 1: they're that good. Jerome Bettis the bus. Back when he 393 00:21:26,626 --> 00:21:30,106 Speaker 1: was at Notre Dame, a student reporter said that he 394 00:21:30,306 --> 00:21:34,786 Speaker 1: actually looked like a bus. The student started chanting, nobody 395 00:21:34,906 --> 00:21:38,866 Speaker 1: stops the bus. The bus carried on through his entire 396 00:21:38,946 --> 00:21:43,306 Speaker 1: professional career. And when Jerome Bettis won the Super Bowl 397 00:21:43,586 --> 00:21:47,706 Speaker 1: in his hometown of Detroit, he stood on that podium 398 00:21:47,706 --> 00:21:50,946 Speaker 1: and what did he say? Is this the lot of 399 00:21:50,986 --> 00:21:54,546 Speaker 1: stop for the bus? You know what? In rod And 400 00:21:55,746 --> 00:21:58,066 Speaker 1: it's always a more time when you have to call 401 00:21:58,146 --> 00:22:01,466 Speaker 1: the quits. And uh, I played this game to win 402 00:22:01,506 --> 00:22:05,826 Speaker 1: a championship. I'm a champion, and I think that this 403 00:22:06,106 --> 00:22:15,986 Speaker 1: is in Detroit Mr Bregulars, Mike, I have to do 404 00:22:16,106 --> 00:22:19,866 Speaker 1: another Steelers one, and that, of course is James Harrison's 405 00:22:19,946 --> 00:22:23,746 Speaker 1: nickname Deebot. Now I think this is really funny because 406 00:22:23,746 --> 00:22:26,146 Speaker 1: when I say Deebo, you don't think of James Harrison. 407 00:22:26,186 --> 00:22:28,426 Speaker 1: Who do you think of? Look? I get some time 408 00:22:28,706 --> 00:22:31,706 Speaker 1: fortunately to be around the San Francisco forty Niners. So no, 409 00:22:31,826 --> 00:22:34,946 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about Harrison. Um thinking about receip streaking 410 00:22:34,946 --> 00:22:36,666 Speaker 1: down the football field and finding his way into the 411 00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:41,666 Speaker 1: end zone. And that's hysterical to me because, as you know, 412 00:22:41,906 --> 00:22:48,306 Speaker 1: Deebo was that freakishly strong, bullying, frightening character on Friday, 413 00:22:48,426 --> 00:22:52,386 Speaker 1: the movie that came out back in So the Steelers 414 00:22:52,506 --> 00:22:57,266 Speaker 1: nicknaming their teammate defensive players looking at James Harrison that menacing, 415 00:22:57,426 --> 00:23:01,786 Speaker 1: freakishly strong bullying of a person and nicknaming him Debot 416 00:23:01,946 --> 00:23:05,346 Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. You're talking about a wide receiver. Yeah, 417 00:23:05,386 --> 00:23:09,066 Speaker 1: But the history behind the wide receiver's nickname. His dad 418 00:23:09,346 --> 00:23:13,626 Speaker 1: said that Depot was Tyshawn was actually bullying kids in 419 00:23:13,626 --> 00:23:16,666 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. So his dad gave him the nickname Debo 420 00:23:16,986 --> 00:23:19,906 Speaker 1: from the movie Friday, which apparently Debot was seen about 421 00:23:19,986 --> 00:23:23,586 Speaker 1: quote a thousand times, so it's fitting from the kind 422 00:23:23,586 --> 00:23:26,706 Speaker 1: of that perspective. Well, unfortunately for him, there is a 423 00:23:26,786 --> 00:23:31,626 Speaker 1: Debot clothing line, and that is James Harrison's. You know, 424 00:23:31,706 --> 00:23:33,546 Speaker 1: this all goes back to the whole thing about what 425 00:23:33,626 --> 00:23:35,466 Speaker 1: we talked about when we did one of our first 426 00:23:35,506 --> 00:23:38,266 Speaker 1: episodes on team names, and I told you I don't 427 00:23:38,386 --> 00:23:41,426 Speaker 1: like shared names, you know, like when you have a 428 00:23:41,466 --> 00:23:43,706 Speaker 1: football team and a baseball team that have the same name. 429 00:23:43,866 --> 00:23:46,026 Speaker 1: You did say that, Yeah, so I don't really love 430 00:23:46,066 --> 00:23:48,946 Speaker 1: shared nicknames. Well, it's kind of like Iron Mike, right, 431 00:23:49,026 --> 00:23:52,306 Speaker 1: like when you say Ditka. For sure, there's also Mike Tyson. 432 00:23:52,586 --> 00:23:57,026 Speaker 1: That is true. But who's one into that fight? Well 433 00:23:57,026 --> 00:23:59,106 Speaker 1: at this stage right now, although you don't even know 434 00:23:59,186 --> 00:24:04,226 Speaker 1: about that. Uh, let's move on Megatron, who has just 435 00:24:04,386 --> 00:24:07,306 Speaker 1: entered the Hall of Fame. I mean it's obvious because 436 00:24:07,346 --> 00:24:11,426 Speaker 1: of course Calvin Johnson had these superhuman abilities and seemed 437 00:24:11,466 --> 00:24:15,106 Speaker 1: like the fictional Robot character. He was given that nickname 438 00:24:15,186 --> 00:24:18,386 Speaker 1: by his fellow receiver Roy Williams. But I think what's 439 00:24:18,426 --> 00:24:22,866 Speaker 1: so magical about Megatron is all of the offshoots Mike 440 00:24:23,386 --> 00:24:29,986 Speaker 1: like Legatron. So Greg's urline was this undrafted rookie out 441 00:24:29,986 --> 00:24:33,906 Speaker 1: of Division two Missouri Western State and just started kicking 442 00:24:34,186 --> 00:24:36,666 Speaker 1: the you know what out of the ball. And just 443 00:24:36,746 --> 00:24:41,986 Speaker 1: a few games in he was called Legatron. So Megatron Legatron. 444 00:24:42,306 --> 00:24:46,146 Speaker 1: And now there is a Maple Tron and that is 445 00:24:46,186 --> 00:24:48,666 Speaker 1: a young wide receiver who currently is playing in Pittsburgh. 446 00:24:48,746 --> 00:24:53,626 Speaker 1: His name is Chase Claypool. He is originally from British Columbia. 447 00:24:53,746 --> 00:24:56,146 Speaker 1: So when he went to Notre Dame, it's these Notre 448 00:24:56,186 --> 00:24:59,826 Speaker 1: Dame kids. Here's the Jerome bettist tie again Notre Dame, 449 00:25:00,146 --> 00:25:03,746 Speaker 1: he was called the Maple Bandit. Then he went to 450 00:25:03,786 --> 00:25:08,266 Speaker 1: the Combine and he had these insane measurables that reminded 451 00:25:08,346 --> 00:25:12,706 Speaker 1: people of Calvin Johnson. Most notably, he ran a sub 452 00:25:12,746 --> 00:25:16,546 Speaker 1: four four five forty while weighing more than two hundred 453 00:25:16,586 --> 00:25:20,946 Speaker 1: and thirty pounds, which hadn't been done since Megatron did it. 454 00:25:21,186 --> 00:25:23,066 Speaker 1: And so then all of a sudden, the Maple Bandit 455 00:25:23,186 --> 00:25:26,346 Speaker 1: became Maple Tron. And I can tell you this, Chase 456 00:25:26,386 --> 00:25:29,186 Speaker 1: Claypool actually really likes the nickname. He calls himself Maple Tron. 457 00:25:29,226 --> 00:25:31,906 Speaker 1: And now he has a clothing line that says Maple Tron. 458 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:34,266 Speaker 1: So the other thing I need, can we make it 459 00:25:34,466 --> 00:25:36,946 Speaker 1: while there is Addis clothing line, so we just need 460 00:25:36,986 --> 00:25:39,906 Speaker 1: the Amber clothing line. You can claim Adidas is yours 461 00:25:39,946 --> 00:25:42,706 Speaker 1: and I'll come up with the Yammer one. At some point, 462 00:25:42,706 --> 00:25:45,066 Speaker 1: everyone's got a clothing line now all of a sudden, Yeah, 463 00:25:45,066 --> 00:25:46,426 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that work. I would just 464 00:25:46,466 --> 00:25:49,026 Speaker 1: like someone to send me stuff. I'll do that, and 465 00:25:49,066 --> 00:25:53,386 Speaker 1: I'm an equal opportunity distributor of great clothing. So everybody, 466 00:25:53,426 --> 00:25:56,666 Speaker 1: anybody listening, feel free. 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Kindrel Designs builds, manages, 475 00:26:33,746 --> 00:26:37,186 Speaker 1: and modernizes the mission critical technology systems that the world 476 00:26:37,226 --> 00:26:40,746 Speaker 1: depends on every day. Working side by side with their customers, 477 00:26:40,786 --> 00:26:44,506 Speaker 1: they imagine things differently by forging new strategic partnerships. They 478 00:26:44,586 --> 00:26:48,066 Speaker 1: unlock new possibilities, creating a world power by healthy digital 479 00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:52,786 Speaker 1: systems alive with opportunity, oxygen to innovation and energy to 480 00:26:52,906 --> 00:27:00,826 Speaker 1: change the world. Kindrel the heart of progress. Mike. You 481 00:27:00,826 --> 00:27:03,986 Speaker 1: know what else besides offshoots, I find really interesting the 482 00:27:04,026 --> 00:27:06,506 Speaker 1: ones that are sort of in dispute. You know, I 483 00:27:06,626 --> 00:27:11,266 Speaker 1: referenced Walter Payton in Sweetness earlier, and there are so 484 00:27:11,386 --> 00:27:14,186 Speaker 1: many people that think sweetness comes from the fact that 485 00:27:14,226 --> 00:27:18,306 Speaker 1: he had this just like wonderful, sunny personality. But Jeff Perlman, 486 00:27:18,426 --> 00:27:20,986 Speaker 1: who I worked with many years ago It's Sports Illustrated, 487 00:27:21,226 --> 00:27:25,066 Speaker 1: did the definitive book on Walter Payton, and he found 488 00:27:25,146 --> 00:27:31,106 Speaker 1: out that sweetness actually came from Walter Payton talking trash 489 00:27:31,146 --> 00:27:34,306 Speaker 1: to a defensive lineman. He basically said to the guy, 490 00:27:34,426 --> 00:27:38,786 Speaker 1: your sweetness is your weakness, and after that he was 491 00:27:38,826 --> 00:27:42,546 Speaker 1: called sweetness. I like that. Here's another one, Dick Knight 492 00:27:42,586 --> 00:27:46,026 Speaker 1: Train Lane. People love to tell the story that he 493 00:27:46,146 --> 00:27:49,226 Speaker 1: was nicknamed night train Lane because in training camp he 494 00:27:49,266 --> 00:27:53,946 Speaker 1: would go and listen to that song and dance to it, etcetera, etcetera. 495 00:27:54,146 --> 00:27:56,226 Speaker 1: But I have also seen that the reason that he 496 00:27:56,306 --> 00:27:58,306 Speaker 1: had that nickname is because he didn't like to fly 497 00:27:58,586 --> 00:28:01,106 Speaker 1: and he would take the train. That's actually really appropriate. 498 00:28:01,186 --> 00:28:04,306 Speaker 1: Then it happens on the football field, I'll take that. 499 00:28:04,586 --> 00:28:06,706 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of wild too, because for all 500 00:28:06,746 --> 00:28:10,026 Speaker 1: the individual names Adidas that we get to, how about 501 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:13,866 Speaker 1: all of the actual units like the teams or you know, 502 00:28:13,906 --> 00:28:16,186 Speaker 1: like the DBS or a defense or you know, a 503 00:28:16,186 --> 00:28:18,906 Speaker 1: specific portion of the offense. Like those units that actually 504 00:28:18,906 --> 00:28:21,306 Speaker 1: have their own nicknames. I'm always fascinated by a couple 505 00:28:21,306 --> 00:28:24,186 Speaker 1: of those, especially because there are some that, i mean 506 00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:27,666 Speaker 1: just are so obvious, like the Purple people Eaters. I mean, 507 00:28:27,786 --> 00:28:31,226 Speaker 1: just look at those guys. It's two Hall of famers 508 00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:33,466 Speaker 1: and Alan Page and Carl Eller, and then you also 509 00:28:33,506 --> 00:28:36,786 Speaker 1: have defensive and Jim Marshall and tackle Gary Larson. You 510 00:28:36,786 --> 00:28:40,946 Speaker 1: look at those four starting defensive lineman. They played so 511 00:28:40,986 --> 00:28:43,586 Speaker 1: many years together, they were in the Super Bowl four 512 00:28:43,666 --> 00:28:47,906 Speaker 1: years together. I mean they look like people eaters and 513 00:28:47,946 --> 00:28:52,786 Speaker 1: they were purple, very very obvious, the Minnesota Vikings, the 514 00:28:52,866 --> 00:28:56,466 Speaker 1: Purple people Eaters. And on the flip side of that, 515 00:28:56,546 --> 00:28:58,666 Speaker 1: you think about that no name defense, which has come 516 00:28:58,746 --> 00:29:01,066 Speaker 1: up a whole lot the last couple of years because 517 00:29:01,106 --> 00:29:04,866 Speaker 1: of individual success. That certain teams have had ninety two 518 00:29:04,986 --> 00:29:08,346 Speaker 1: that Dolphins defense. The name actually caught on when Dallas 519 00:29:08,386 --> 00:29:11,106 Speaker 1: coach Tom Landry actually mentioned that Miami has a good 520 00:29:11,106 --> 00:29:13,746 Speaker 1: defense but features some months of guys whose names you 521 00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:17,146 Speaker 1: don't know, and then don't name defense. It's stuck because 522 00:29:17,186 --> 00:29:19,346 Speaker 1: of that. And it's certainly a team that had a 523 00:29:19,386 --> 00:29:22,346 Speaker 1: ton of success, undefeated super Bowl winning team. That defense 524 00:29:22,346 --> 00:29:24,826 Speaker 1: allowed the fewest points and fewer shards in the NFL 525 00:29:25,026 --> 00:29:29,226 Speaker 1: that particular year of seventy two. So very very appropriate. Well, 526 00:29:29,266 --> 00:29:32,106 Speaker 1: and talk about bulletin board material right there. Right, I 527 00:29:32,106 --> 00:29:33,986 Speaker 1: don't even know who these guys are. They're a bunch 528 00:29:33,986 --> 00:29:36,666 Speaker 1: of no names and boom, what this is what they do. 529 00:29:36,986 --> 00:29:39,146 Speaker 1: If we're gonna stick with defensive lines, though, we have 530 00:29:39,266 --> 00:29:43,186 Speaker 1: to include the New York sack exchange. Right. That was 531 00:29:43,226 --> 00:29:46,786 Speaker 1: the Jets defensive line from ninety nine to nine three. 532 00:29:46,946 --> 00:29:50,786 Speaker 1: And it was actually the team's PR director who used 533 00:29:50,826 --> 00:29:55,706 Speaker 1: it in a press release after seeing a fan hold 534 00:29:55,786 --> 00:29:58,146 Speaker 1: up a big bed sheet with the name written on it, 535 00:29:58,346 --> 00:30:01,186 Speaker 1: and I wonder who that fan was. That fans should 536 00:30:01,186 --> 00:30:03,626 Speaker 1: really get the credit for that. A lot of these 537 00:30:03,706 --> 00:30:06,706 Speaker 1: names are fans sourced. I will say that you know 538 00:30:06,826 --> 00:30:11,426 Speaker 1: one that wasn't fan sourced dirty Birds or Jamala Anderson 539 00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:13,826 Speaker 1: actually came up with it. He loves using I got 540 00:30:13,826 --> 00:30:16,506 Speaker 1: to work with him for the first season, a ton 541 00:30:16,586 --> 00:30:18,866 Speaker 1: of fun. But he it's like a badge of honor 542 00:30:18,866 --> 00:30:22,466 Speaker 1: because he does reference it a lot. Those Falcons teams, 543 00:30:22,546 --> 00:30:25,026 Speaker 1: remember they were fourteen and two got to the Super Bowl, Well, 544 00:30:25,066 --> 00:30:28,826 Speaker 1: it was Jamala Anderson who created the dirty bird dance um. 545 00:30:28,906 --> 00:30:32,426 Speaker 1: And then that's sort of how the nickname stock Well. 546 00:30:32,466 --> 00:30:36,026 Speaker 1: And the flip side to that is the Bungles, the poor, 547 00:30:36,146 --> 00:30:38,986 Speaker 1: poor poor Bungles who didn't have a winning season between 548 00:30:39,106 --> 00:30:44,666 Speaker 1: nineteen and two thousand four. And then of course the Ets, 549 00:30:44,666 --> 00:30:49,026 Speaker 1: which was actually the Saints in nineteen eighty when they 550 00:30:49,066 --> 00:30:52,746 Speaker 1: lost their first fourteen games, and it was a local sportscaster, 551 00:30:52,986 --> 00:30:59,226 Speaker 1: Mike that started suggesting that maybe Saints supporters their fans 552 00:30:59,266 --> 00:31:03,026 Speaker 1: were paper bags over their heads, and a lot of 553 00:31:03,026 --> 00:31:08,546 Speaker 1: those paper bags said ats as opposed to Saints. Okay, 554 00:31:08,666 --> 00:31:11,706 Speaker 1: can we go flip side again from lack of success 555 00:31:11,746 --> 00:31:17,466 Speaker 1: to a ton of success. Greatest show on Turf. We 556 00:31:17,546 --> 00:31:20,066 Speaker 1: had Kurt Warner on one of our previous episodes, the 557 00:31:20,106 --> 00:31:23,026 Speaker 1: work Week one for NFL players, and it was awesome 558 00:31:23,066 --> 00:31:25,826 Speaker 1: to have him. If you missed that episode, highly encourage 559 00:31:25,826 --> 00:31:27,866 Speaker 1: you to go back and listen to it. But consider this, 560 00:31:27,906 --> 00:31:29,666 Speaker 1: You got a Hall of Fame quarterback and Kurt Warner 561 00:31:29,746 --> 00:31:31,826 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame running back in Marshall Falk. You got 562 00:31:31,906 --> 00:31:34,506 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame one receiver Isaac Bruce. You got 563 00:31:34,626 --> 00:31:37,506 Speaker 1: a seven time pro bowler Tory Holt. An offense that 564 00:31:37,626 --> 00:31:41,466 Speaker 1: was just an absolute jargonnaut espns. Chris Berman actually called 565 00:31:41,506 --> 00:31:44,706 Speaker 1: the Rams the greatest show on Earth in two thousand 566 00:31:45,146 --> 00:31:49,106 Speaker 1: and then Earth was eventually switched to turf because they 567 00:31:49,106 --> 00:31:52,586 Speaker 1: were playing on the AstroTurf in St. Louis. So to me, 568 00:31:53,226 --> 00:31:55,746 Speaker 1: that is one of the more iconic ones. I think 569 00:31:55,746 --> 00:31:58,266 Speaker 1: when it comes to team names. Greatest show on Turf, 570 00:31:58,306 --> 00:32:01,986 Speaker 1: I think is is really well known and everyone references it, 571 00:32:02,026 --> 00:32:06,186 Speaker 1: and maybe partially because of recency bias and Kurt obviously 572 00:32:06,186 --> 00:32:11,226 Speaker 1: still having a great broadcast careers, that continues to pop up. Maybe, 573 00:32:11,226 --> 00:32:14,346 Speaker 1: But I still feel like I really like defensive nicknames 574 00:32:14,386 --> 00:32:17,386 Speaker 1: like the Legion of Boom, which was of course the 575 00:32:17,426 --> 00:32:21,426 Speaker 1: Seahawks secondary and the late you know, two thousand teams, 576 00:32:21,506 --> 00:32:24,386 Speaker 1: whatever you call that decade that was of course Richard Sherman, 577 00:32:24,426 --> 00:32:27,066 Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, cam Chancellor, Brendan Browner, And it was cam 578 00:32:27,266 --> 00:32:30,026 Speaker 1: Chancellor who came up with the name when he said 579 00:32:30,106 --> 00:32:32,426 Speaker 1: that he liked to bring the boom. Then when you 580 00:32:32,466 --> 00:32:33,906 Speaker 1: think of the legion of Boom, you also have to 581 00:32:33,946 --> 00:32:36,906 Speaker 1: think of the no fly zone, and that I believe 582 00:32:37,026 --> 00:32:39,866 Speaker 1: is Chris Harris's idea when he was with Denver. And 583 00:32:39,906 --> 00:32:42,186 Speaker 1: then go back, we were talking about defensive lines at 584 00:32:42,186 --> 00:32:44,266 Speaker 1: the top, I feel terrible. How could I not mention 585 00:32:44,306 --> 00:32:48,306 Speaker 1: the steel curtain that was the nineteen seventies Steelers defensive 586 00:32:48,346 --> 00:32:51,026 Speaker 1: line led by a man who has one of the 587 00:32:51,066 --> 00:32:54,906 Speaker 1: best nicknames of all time, Mean Joe Green, not because 588 00:32:54,906 --> 00:32:57,986 Speaker 1: he was mean, by the way, but because of where 589 00:32:57,986 --> 00:33:00,186 Speaker 1: he played his college football. You know the answer there, 590 00:33:00,906 --> 00:33:04,706 Speaker 1: Well that was North Texas. The North Texas Mean Green. Yeah, 591 00:33:04,826 --> 00:33:07,146 Speaker 1: like I should so me and Joe Green. But sure 592 00:33:07,186 --> 00:33:09,706 Speaker 1: the way he played the game was mean. But the 593 00:33:09,786 --> 00:33:13,586 Speaker 1: steel Curtain that Steelers defensive line helped the Steelers to 594 00:33:13,906 --> 00:33:17,146 Speaker 1: four Super Bowl wins in the nineteen seventies. And that 595 00:33:17,266 --> 00:33:22,666 Speaker 1: nickname actually originated in a radio contest. But you know, Mike, 596 00:33:22,706 --> 00:33:25,026 Speaker 1: we could just keep on going now. This Each one 597 00:33:25,146 --> 00:33:27,666 Speaker 1: makes me think of something else. We're talking about a defense, 598 00:33:27,666 --> 00:33:30,066 Speaker 1: and then that makes me think of the Minister of Defense. 599 00:33:30,426 --> 00:33:34,506 Speaker 1: Oh yes, Reggie White, one of the all time greatest 600 00:33:34,546 --> 00:33:37,826 Speaker 1: defensive players who also had an extremely strong faith. And 601 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:40,346 Speaker 1: when you listen to him, he sure is hex sounded 602 00:33:40,386 --> 00:33:42,706 Speaker 1: like a minister. And we could keep going. We could 603 00:33:42,746 --> 00:33:47,506 Speaker 1: totally keep going. But now I'm thinking about places, Mike, 604 00:33:48,346 --> 00:33:52,986 Speaker 1: the black Hole, the Dog Pound, the frozen Tundra, give 605 00:33:52,986 --> 00:33:56,346 Speaker 1: me your favorite. Well, look, just because I've lived in 606 00:33:56,386 --> 00:33:59,346 Speaker 1: the Bay Area. Now, obviously the team is in Vegas, 607 00:33:59,386 --> 00:34:01,906 Speaker 1: but I will say when I moved out to San 608 00:34:01,946 --> 00:34:07,706 Speaker 1: Francisco in you could feel on Sundays, like even in 609 00:34:07,786 --> 00:34:10,626 Speaker 1: San Francisco sort of what the black Hole has brought 610 00:34:10,626 --> 00:34:13,186 Speaker 1: to the table and indity. You've traveled a ton for 611 00:34:13,266 --> 00:34:15,746 Speaker 1: NFL games, the games that I have traveled too, and 612 00:34:15,746 --> 00:34:18,986 Speaker 1: there's been a few where the Raiders have been involved. 613 00:34:19,546 --> 00:34:23,626 Speaker 1: I cannot get over how well that fan base travels 614 00:34:23,666 --> 00:34:26,986 Speaker 1: for games, and just the intimidation factor that's there, Like 615 00:34:27,026 --> 00:34:31,866 Speaker 1: there's something unique about just large human beings that are intimidating, 616 00:34:31,946 --> 00:34:36,066 Speaker 1: face painting themselves and being there ready to sort of 617 00:34:36,106 --> 00:34:39,426 Speaker 1: be disruptive. Um to me, black Hole is definitely at 618 00:34:39,426 --> 00:34:43,546 Speaker 1: the top of the list. Well, we could keep going, 619 00:34:43,786 --> 00:34:47,386 Speaker 1: but I think this is a great place to ask 620 00:34:47,426 --> 00:34:51,026 Speaker 1: our listeners to send us some of these suggestions. And 621 00:34:51,026 --> 00:34:52,626 Speaker 1: while we may not be able to get anybody a 622 00:34:52,666 --> 00:34:56,866 Speaker 1: shoe deal, maybe yammer, we can start a movement for 623 00:34:56,906 --> 00:34:58,786 Speaker 1: some nicknames. I know that I did ask some of 624 00:34:58,826 --> 00:35:02,426 Speaker 1: my Twitter followers to send me some players that they'd 625 00:35:02,466 --> 00:35:05,226 Speaker 1: like to see have nicknames. George Kittle was a name 626 00:35:05,266 --> 00:35:08,546 Speaker 1: that came up the fair amount. Uh T J. Watt 627 00:35:08,626 --> 00:35:12,506 Speaker 1: was one who some people are saying deserves one of 628 00:35:12,546 --> 00:35:17,346 Speaker 1: these legendary, transcendent nicknames. I'm sure you've got some guys 629 00:35:17,426 --> 00:35:20,666 Speaker 1: that surprises you they don't have nicknames as well. Yeah, No, 630 00:35:20,706 --> 00:35:23,626 Speaker 1: there's definitely a few players that I also think deserve 631 00:35:23,986 --> 00:35:27,506 Speaker 1: a little bit more recognition when it comes to just 632 00:35:27,546 --> 00:35:30,066 Speaker 1: sort of standardizing. And I know we touched on some 633 00:35:30,146 --> 00:35:33,506 Speaker 1: of those names, but I also think sometimes memories pop 634 00:35:33,626 --> 00:35:36,866 Speaker 1: up with certain nicknames. I think very fondly of my 635 00:35:36,986 --> 00:35:39,946 Speaker 1: time back in college. But one nickname that we did 636 00:35:39,946 --> 00:35:42,386 Speaker 1: not get to that to me just reminds me of 637 00:35:42,386 --> 00:35:44,226 Speaker 1: my college days. And I didn't even go to Boston 638 00:35:44,226 --> 00:35:47,346 Speaker 1: College and Matt Ryan did, but Mattie Ice. I think 639 00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:50,266 Speaker 1: a lot of people reference it because of his cool, 640 00:35:50,386 --> 00:35:54,786 Speaker 1: calm demeanor in these under pressure type moments, but when 641 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:56,386 Speaker 1: he was at BC, it was also a little bit 642 00:35:56,426 --> 00:36:00,386 Speaker 1: of a play on a popular beer, Nattie Ice, which 643 00:36:00,866 --> 00:36:03,386 Speaker 1: does bring me back to my own college days. So 644 00:36:03,466 --> 00:36:06,466 Speaker 1: I did want to just highlight that sometimes us nicknames 645 00:36:07,026 --> 00:36:09,946 Speaker 1: have more meaning, I think on a personal level, because 646 00:36:09,986 --> 00:36:12,706 Speaker 1: they conjure ups just some really positive memories. Two things 647 00:36:12,746 --> 00:36:16,026 Speaker 1: for that. Number one, I did not drink Natty Ice, 648 00:36:16,586 --> 00:36:19,306 Speaker 1: and number two, I was not an underage drinker. Just 649 00:36:19,386 --> 00:36:22,266 Speaker 1: in case my mom and dad are listening right now, Okay, 650 00:36:22,666 --> 00:36:24,906 Speaker 1: you make the claims you want to make, I will 651 00:36:24,946 --> 00:36:29,266 Speaker 1: just say, okay, cool like moving on, all right, Well, everybody, 652 00:36:29,306 --> 00:36:32,906 Speaker 1: this has been a tremendously fun one. For sure. We 653 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,346 Speaker 1: left many, many, many nicknames on the cutting room floor. 654 00:36:36,426 --> 00:36:39,626 Speaker 1: So if you want the story behind a favorite nickname, 655 00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:43,466 Speaker 1: make sure to tweet us Mike underscore yam or at 656 00:36:43,506 --> 00:36:47,186 Speaker 1: a Kinkabwala and we will get you the stories and 657 00:36:47,226 --> 00:36:50,306 Speaker 1: definitely send us some ideas for some players today who 658 00:36:50,386 --> 00:36:54,146 Speaker 1: don't have nicknames, who absolutely deserves some, and indeed, let's 659 00:36:54,186 --> 00:36:56,586 Speaker 1: not forget for anyone who is checking out the show. 660 00:36:56,706 --> 00:36:59,626 Speaker 1: Make sure you follow us wherever you get your podcast. 661 00:36:59,626 --> 00:37:01,746 Speaker 1: Not to mention, we always appreciate a rating and a 662 00:37:01,786 --> 00:37:03,546 Speaker 1: review and share it with a friend. 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