1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: On this episode of news World. A friend of mine 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: recently sent me a video entitled Singapore Trash Disposal and 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: marked the subject line as brilliant. I thought the one 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: minute video was very well done. He told the story 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: of how the tiny country has no space for trash 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: and how it gets rid of it. The host of 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: the video tracks the trash to their incineration plant and 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: explains how the plant generates electricity and does not pollute 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: the environment because they filter the air. The video piqued 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: my interests and I was delighted to find out about 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: the host. Nasier Yassen Nasire is a Palestinian Israeli video 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: blogger who created a thousand daily one minute videos on 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Facebook under the page nas Daily. He graduated from Harvard 14 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: with a degree in economics in twenty fourteen and went 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: to work as a software developer at Venmo, the payments 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: service owned by PayPal, But in two sixteen he quit 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: his job and decided to travel the world. His book 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Around the World in sixty Seconds, one thousand Days, sixty 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: four Countries, One Beautiful Planet tells his story. I am 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: very pleased to welcome my guest, Nusiri Yasen. Let me 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: start now, Siah, and welcome you all the way from Singapore. 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: How did you come up with this idea of doing 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: one minute videos every day and going all around the world. 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: First of all, mister speaker, thank you so much for 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: having me on this podcast. I'm used to seeing you 26 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: on TV five thousand miles away, but it's nice to 27 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: see you on my laptop screen. Why did I make 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: a one minute video every day? Because your attention span 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: is just getting shorter. You don't need fifty damn hours 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: to explain a topic. You don't need fifty academic papers. 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: You just need a tweet or a one minute video 32 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: and you can get to the essence of things very 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: very fast. And that was the hypothesis I had five 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: years ago, and that's why I decided to stick to like, 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: very very short videos but explain very big ideas. And 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: why did I make them a thousand times? Because you 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: can only improve if you have a thousand failures. So 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: every day I failed, I corrected myself the next day 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: and the next day and the next day, so I 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: gave myself twenty four hours to fix my mistakes. This 41 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: level of commit is how I ended up making that 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: video that reached you, and by the way, say thank 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: you to your friend. So I'll do that. I mean's 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: a great video, I have to say. But I'm curious. 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: So you've come out of Harvard, you had a great job, 46 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: you suddenly decide you're off on your own. What did 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: you actually do? How did you start? You know? Usually 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I think the best way to succeed is to through 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: the deep end. I'll tell you something. I was in 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: the United States. I won my H one B lottery, right, 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: I got and bevisa. By the way, the US visa 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: system is broken. I won the American dream. I got 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: a Harvard degree and a good paying job at PayPal, 54 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: and I still had to beg America to keep me 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: inside of it. And so at some point I said, 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna beg America anymore. I'm just gonna go 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: to Kenya and start making content on the internet. My 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: hypothesis is that media is going to be decentralized. The 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: hypothesis is that the New York Times, Fox News, whatever, 60 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: those big media institutions, they cannot continue forever. And the 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: next media is going to be individuals like me, like 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: my cousins, like Indians, like Americans. And that's why I 63 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: decided to start making content and I just bought a 64 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: camera and I literally started talking to the camera, and 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: to my surprise, millions of people listened. So let me 66 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: start at the basics. Why did you pick Nairobi to start? 67 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: That really is the basics. I just thought it's just 68 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: slightly more exciting than New York. You know, New York 69 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: has a lot of media. It's been covered a million times. 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Nairobi has not been covered a million times. And I 71 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: had a couple of friends there. I thought it would 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: be a nice place to start. Usually the places that 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: don't have enough media are the ones that are most interesting. Well, 74 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: you primarily in the city or did you also go 75 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: out to the great wildlife areas? So nas means people 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: in Arabic. So one thing I read from this journey 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: is that if I put a human face in my videos, 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: the video does better. If I put an animal in 79 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: my video, the video does worse. If I put nature 80 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: in my video, it does worse. I only stayed around 81 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: where the people are, so I just went from cities 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: to cities as opposed to the safari and the traditional stuff. 83 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: That's interesting. So actually you've found the opposite of that 84 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: I talked one time to the producer who produced the 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Hango and he said, actually that it was the tiger 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: in the first movie and the monkey in the second 87 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: movie that made the movies. Yeah, because you're stuck in 88 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: the cinema you cannot leave, but on Facebook you can 89 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: easily scroll away. So that's interesting. So you start in 90 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: Kenya and then what does your truck take you to? 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: You know, I was on his three and a half 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: year long journey. To one is find a source of income, 93 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to get someone to pay attention to my videos. So 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: I would go wherever I felt like going. So my 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: next trip was to Ethiopia, so Keny at India, then Nepal, 96 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: then Japan, then back to America, then Israel. So I 97 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: just went where I felt like I could make videos. 98 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: How are you paying for this? First of all, I 99 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: think whoever's listening, money should not be the thing that matters. 100 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: It should be attention. If you have people's attention, you 101 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 1: have a guaranteed way to make money. I had enough savings. 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: I had saved up sixty thousand dollars from my job 103 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: at Venmo and the sixties out I knew could last 104 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: me for two years in Kenya and India and maybe 105 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: half a month in New York. So I just went 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: to places that are affordable and slowly, you know, the 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: more I got people's attention, the more they started to 108 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: give me money. Here's two thousand dollars to make a 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: video just like yours, but for my company. Here's five 110 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to speak in my conference, here's fifty thousand 111 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: dollars to do this big project together. And the more 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: followers I started to get, the more money I could charge. 113 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: And so it's just putting yourself out there. You'll end 114 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: up finding people like you, mister speaker, that are interested 115 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: in what you do. So this sounds great. The actual 116 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: videos the world in a thousand videos, those are free, right, yes, 117 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: entirely free, yes, yeah, but then they lead people, for 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: one reason or another to decide to give you money. Correct. 119 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I love social media for that reason. Remarkable. But now, 120 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: were you born in PALACESA in Israel or where were 121 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: you born? Yeah? So I was born and raised in 122 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: probably the worst place in the world, Israel and Palestine. 123 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: I was born as a Palestinian in the country of Israel. 124 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: So twenty percent of Israel is not Jewish and that 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: includes me. And you know, unfortunately, I just wanted to 126 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: escape because I didn't feel equal, and America was the 127 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: place where I felt equal. And I applied to Harvard 128 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: from Israel, begging them to let me in, and they 129 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: gave me a scholarship. And some random rich old men 130 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: probably gave me two hundred and fifty thousand dollars as 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: a scholarship because it's not federal funding. And for that 132 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: person I owed in my life. No anycid don't ask 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: to remember in the tradition of equal opportunity of both 134 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: my wife and my daughters and my granddaughter. It could 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: have been a rich old woman who gave you the money. 136 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, But that is correct. That is correct. 137 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: It was a rich old family. Actually there probably white 138 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: and they wear white. See this is all breaking down. 139 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: So you live for a while in Cambridge, right, yes, Now, 140 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: when you graduate, where did you go to? I went 141 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: down to New York to get a software engineering job. 142 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: And then you start traveling, correct, And I'm now talking 143 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: to you in Singapore, Yes, which is a great city 144 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: close to than I love Singapore. You have a fascinating 145 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: zoo that has both a day zoo, and a night zoo. 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm a zoo fanatic, so I pick up on things 147 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: like this. But do you now live in Singapore. So yeah, 148 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of untraditional for a media person to want 149 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: to be in Singapore. But after visiting, you know, the 150 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 1: world for a thousand days, I saw sixty four countries, 151 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: and I started to notice that, oh my god, the 152 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: next fifty year may not belong to New York. I'm 153 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: being completely frank here. They may belong in Asia, in China, 154 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: in Japan, in South Korea, in India. And so Singapore 155 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: is the best place to live in to be around 156 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: the future. And that's why I decided to be based there. Now, 157 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, don't take offense. I still love America and 158 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: my company's head. I share some of your feeling about Singapore. 159 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: I once had the privilege of spending a weekend with 160 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: Lee Kuan. You. Oh, that's amazing and Henry Kissings. You're 161 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: talking about how Lee Kuan you conceptualize modern Singapore. But 162 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: I have to tire you. Singapore is expensive. You could 163 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: live in Nairobi probably for three hundred years for the 164 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: cost of a decade in Singapore. Yeah, but Singapore's economy 165 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: allows me to make five million dollars a year so 166 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: I could afford to live here. Well, that's okay. I 167 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: mean you've done something very few people were able to do. 168 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: You made enough money to pick the place you wanted 169 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: to live at, and then you made more money because 170 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: you picked the place you wanted to live at, exactly. 171 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: And the next place I'm living in and opening an 172 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: office and is Dubai, which is more expensive and also, 173 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: in its own way, even more part of the future. Correct, 174 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of what the country's doing. Yeah, 175 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: close that. I were there about two years ago. We 176 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: went to a camel race, and because of the outcry 177 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: against using young boys as camel riders, they had invented 178 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: robotic jockeys. So if you're watching these camels with this 179 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: weird little mechanical thing on us back running and the 180 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: various camel owners and their Mercedes are driving on the 181 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: parallel track, and you realize the world is not anything 182 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: like we think it is. It is so much richer, 183 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: more complicated, and then more diverse. So are you still 184 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: doing your videos? Yeah? So, I mean, look, why would 185 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: I stop? Right? This is an opportunity for a random 186 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: ass brown kid to reach hundreds of millions of people. 187 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: I would never stop this, and actually we're doubling down 188 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: on this because we have a chance to reach so 189 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: many people that now we need to multiply myself and 190 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: try to create more creators to spread our agenda on 191 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: the Internet. I think of it honestly, like I think 192 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: of NAS daily as like my personal form of propaganda. 193 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: I am on a mission to build my own propaganda. 194 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm tired of New York Times propaganda, and I'm also 195 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: tired of Fox News propaganda. I want a Palestinian Israeli propaganda, 196 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: and I'm building it. You're a one person propaganda machine, yes, 197 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: and that's the future. One person propaganda. But wait a second. 198 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: As busy as you are and as much money as 199 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: you're making, how do you have the time to focus 200 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: on originality and excellence in your videos the way you 201 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: could focus back when you were irrelevant. You're right, That's 202 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: why I have people that help me. I have a 203 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: great team. We are, you know, sixty people. Now. We're 204 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: building products, we're teaching creators, and we're finding stories, we're 205 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: scripting them. I'm just like managing the operation and making 206 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: sure the DNA of the company stay is in the process, 207 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: and that's the way I'm thinking of scaling this operation. 208 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: You know, you come out of a background of education. 209 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: Your dad was a psychologist, your mom a teacher. How 210 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: much do you think growing up in a household where 211 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: people thought about ideas, thought about books, how much do 212 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: you think that affected you, mister speaker. Unfortunately I never 213 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: saw my parents read a book. I mean, if they 214 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: do it, they do it at work. They don't bring 215 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: it home. It's not like a traditional American family. Oh 216 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: that's interesting. Honestly, I would say seeing both my dad 217 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: and my mom works so hard for so little money 218 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: made me realize that this is unsustainable and education needs 219 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: to change. And seeing them just waste their life repeating 220 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: the same education in very ineffective ways made me more 221 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: convinced that it's time to make education better. So I 222 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it inspired me positively. It actually inspired me 223 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: negatively to make me want to make it more positive. 224 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I want to argue with you for such a you 225 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: can knock me down or explain that I don't get it. Somehow, 226 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: they inspired in you the idea that you could be 227 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: somebody correct that is correct. Yes, So I'm curious in 228 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: one of your videos, you talk about the mountain test 229 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: and deciding what you would bring with you on your travel. 230 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: What is the mountain test? You know, in America, there's 231 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: this whole bye baby bye, right, that never made me happy. 232 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: So the mountain test is the idea that I need 233 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: to have as little objects in my life as possible. 234 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: So like the minimalism movement, right, and the way I 235 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: do it is if I'm traveling, I only buy things 236 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: that I'm willing to buy on a trick on top 237 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: of a mountain, willing to take on top of a 238 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: mountain with you. You're not going to take you or 239 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, your nice little souvenir or your Amazon 240 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: Alexa that you'll never use on top of a mountain. 241 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: And that has allowed me to have just a much 242 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: clearer life. I only have twenty T shirts of pants, 243 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: one pairs of shoes, and the T shirts all look 244 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: the same. It's the same design, it's the same look. 245 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: That's my life. And you can put me anywhere in 246 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: the world and I'll be able to pick up and continue. 247 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: If you have all those T shirts are the same. 248 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: It does make getting dressed to the morning easier, correct, 249 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: So whichever one you grab will be okay. Correct. I 250 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: made my own T shirt design and I only wear 251 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: that T shirt because I don't like the insane amount 252 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: of focus on what you're wearing for women and men 253 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: in the world. The Gucci's the Louis Vitan. It's like, 254 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: why does a Gucci make you more valuable to me 255 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: than a random black T shirt? So I decided to 256 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: only wear black T shirts and it's worked well so far. 257 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: So it does make a little harder to distinguish you 258 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: in a fancy part though, unless you had kind of 259 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: a little cute black Louis Vaton no man purse or 260 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: something to go with it. But let me go on, 261 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: and I hope you don't mind my prying, But are 262 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: you telling me that you have this extraordinarily simple place 263 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: to live in Singapore that you have consciously avoided filling 264 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: it up with junk? I avoided filling it up with junk. 265 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: The people that live in my household have not avoided 266 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: filling it up with junks. So it is still full 267 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: of junk, but it's not my junk, so that's okay. 268 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's a great life anyway. You also 269 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: talk about the importance of politics in a way that 270 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: I think would surprise people coming from somebody who's wandered 271 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: around making a thousand videos around the world, because you've 272 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: seen the impact of good and bad politics as you've 273 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: gone around the world. Why do you think politics is 274 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: that important? Well, you dedicated your life to it, right, 275 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: so you definitely have that sort that much better answer 276 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: than me. Oh yeah, but you're a more interesting person, 277 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: so you get to answer politics. You know, the Palestinian 278 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: Israeli conflict. The reason I don't have the same money 279 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: as a Jewish guy in Tel Aviv is because of politics. 280 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: The reason my voice doesn't matter is because of politics. 281 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: The reason Palestine is not a state is because of politics. 282 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, people always shun away politics so that the 283 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: only people left to do them are the ones who 284 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: may not be good at doing them. No't offense to anybody, 285 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: So I think politics should be like it is the 286 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: most meaningful thing I can see myself doing for the 287 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: rest of my life. Like making videos on the internet 288 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: is cute, you know, making travel videos is cute. Talking 289 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: about waste trash disposal is cute. Building a company is cute. 290 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, if you truly want 291 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: to save a life, you have to go to politics. 292 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: That's the only thing that can make me die or 293 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: continue to live one politician's decision. Politics should be more 294 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: competitive than getting into Stanford or Harvard. That's my opinion. 295 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: So you know I agree with you. Mean, I've spent 296 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: my lifetime trying to figure out what we have to 297 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: do and said, I have to say that at times, 298 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I've succeeded very well. The world has 299 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: grown more complexity or rate faster than we've grown able 300 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: to handle it. So it's been a huge challenge. But 301 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: when you think about the places you've been, where would 302 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: you say, in all these countries you've visited now some 303 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: sixty countries, where would you say politics has been working 304 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: most effectively? And where would you say politics has been 305 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: the most destructive? Oh man, this thing gets me riled up. 306 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's Israel. I wouldn't say it's Europe. 307 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's America. I would actually say it's 308 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: Singapore or the United Arab Emirates. I've been incredibly fascinated 309 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: by what League One you did, just like you are, 310 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: because most policies in this country in Singapore are unconventional. 311 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: They have like this racial quotas, they have these taxes 312 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: on cars, the way they build a society. You know, 313 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: they may not be as freedom of speech as you 314 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: have in America. Right, you have limited freedom. But maybe 315 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: I want to argue, but I actually believe in limited freedom. 316 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't believe in the American concept of freedom simply 317 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: because times are changing and it may not work in 318 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: the future. So that's why I like seeing important to buy. 319 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's an important distinction, because I 320 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: think in the West, by which I really made Europe, 321 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: in the US, we have the sort of self satisfied 322 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: belief that we are the model and that we are inevitable, 323 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: sort of like the guy that wrote to the end 324 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: of history. But in fact, what we're seeing is that 325 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: there are alternative models that have enormous power and enormous attraction. 326 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that j and Pain 327 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: keeps saying in China that they're not migrating towards US, 328 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: they're a parallel alternative way of organizing life in their 329 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: cases to solitarian. But I mean Li Kuan Yu was 330 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: clearly an authoritarian. He was sort of vaguely related to 331 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: the popular and clearly won every election, I think, honestly 332 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: because it was providing money and jobs and a rational strategy. 333 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: But it is a different centering of what the values are. Yes, 334 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I think democracy works when the population is sufficiently educated. 335 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: When it's not sufficiently educated, we should not be introducing 336 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: democracy to Egypt, or to Senegal or I'm a big 337 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: fan of Rwanda. I'm a big fan of demor as 338 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Singapore. I just wish sometimes, 339 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I wish the American mainstream 340 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: media and politicians would actually admit that the way we 341 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: do things our constitution should not and does not apply 342 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: to other countries, and it may actually not work, and 343 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: other constitutions may work better or just as good. Close 344 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: And I went to Rwanda about a decade ago to 345 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: climb up and see mountain gorillas. Oh nice. And as 346 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: part of that experience, we went to the memorial to 347 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: the genocide, Yeah, which, as you know, has two hundred 348 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand bodies buried. You're in a garden walking 349 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: on two hundred and fifty thousand people who were slaughtered. Yeah. 350 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: It was a reminder that in the absence of order, 351 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: terrible things can happened everyday people. Yes, you must have 352 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: encountered that again and again as you went around the world. Yes, 353 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like that the boy. When 354 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: it breaks down, it can become horrible pretty fast. I 355 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: completely agree. Let's say somebody came up to you and said, 356 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, they're eighteen, twenty twenty one years old. They 357 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: love what you're doing. They'd like to learn. You know, 358 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: what's your advice for life? You know, if I look 359 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: consistently back, you know, like growing up in a village 360 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: in Israel and going to Harvard, getting a job in 361 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: New York, making a hundred y year you know, becoming 362 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: a creator on Facebook and living in Singapore with a 363 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: six to seventy person company. The thing that consistently work 364 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: is if you look around you the average of what 365 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: everybody is doing you should not do, and almost always 366 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: that works. You know, Like, for example, in my village, 367 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: everybody be a doctor. I hated being a doctor, and 368 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: I hated living in Israel, so I went to America. 369 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Everybody at Harvard wants to be a banker. I hated 370 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: being a banker, so I didn't become a banker. Everybody 371 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: in tech como at PayPal wanted to be at the 372 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: software engineer. I wanted to be a hunting creator. So 373 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: I would say you should live on the internet. If 374 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: you don't live on the internet, you will not make 375 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: any money and you may have a really hard time succeeding. 376 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: Software is eating the world. And if you don't know software, 377 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: if you don't know content, if you cannot speak up, 378 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: you're dead. It's a simple as that. And so everybody 379 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: should learn how to code, and everybody should learn how 380 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: to make a podcast, and everybody should learn how to 381 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: make a video, and everybody should learn how to tweet. 382 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: So you're for a fairly noisy world. I am for 383 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: a world where voices can be heard. That's a good distinction, 384 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: which means all the people who are yelling also up 385 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: occasionally shut up and listen. Definitely, Definitely, if you look 386 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: at it, in the past five hundred years, the only 387 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: people that got to speak are you know, Western civilizations, 388 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: specifically white people. And I think it's time we hear 389 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: from what a random brown Indian has to say. I 390 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: think it's time to hear from how an Asian would govern. 391 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: It's time to hear how a Palestinian would give an opinion. 392 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: You know, So I think diversity is the spice of life, 393 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: and the Internet allows us to have much more diverse opinions. 394 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: Are you at all concerns that the Internet gradually will 395 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: be taken over either by oligopolies or by governments. I 396 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: don't want to come off as authoritarian, but I am 397 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: okay with limited freedom. In fact, you know, Singapore was 398 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: the first one that introduced a fake news law in 399 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: the world, right, the first country to introduce a law 400 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: where you could get into real consequences if you put 401 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: something wrong on social media or something that is like destructive. 402 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: In the past, everybody could say whatever they want because 403 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: they have no way of reaching millions of people. Today, 404 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: I have the ability, and anybody has the ability to 405 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: reach ten million people and above if their post goes viral. 406 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: That is dangerous. You cannot have societal cohesion and order 407 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: if you let anybody say whatever they want and share 408 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: any fake news that they want. It's impossible. So because 409 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: of t we need governments to regulate social media platforms, 410 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: and we need social media platforms to regulate themselves. So 411 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a fan of the trend that is happening. 412 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: Because you cannot go around and Singapore say the vaccine 413 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: is not safe. You will actually be jeopardizing lives, and 414 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: so that should not be allowed. And I agree with 415 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: that because that's how you get order in society. When 416 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: you have order, you can have safety. I think people 417 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: care more about safety than they care about freedom. And 418 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: so if you cannot go in Colorado and have safety 419 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: of buying groceries, why do you care about your startup 420 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: or building a company or whatever. We need that basic 421 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: level of safety, and that's only possible if the government 422 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: takes a stance. So who then governs the government? So 423 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: who governs the government? I mean that's the billion dollar question. No, No, 424 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: because I think that's part of the American sperience that 425 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: was I think unique when we rebelled against the British 426 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: was this very deep sense that government had gotten too 427 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: strong and was too corrupt. And you've certainly filmed in 428 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: countries where corruption is the norm, and it's very hard 429 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: to figure out, and those are countries which would say 430 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: anything which describes corruption is illegal. There's a very interesting 431 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: dialogue about we probably come down on different sides of it. 432 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: I agree with you that there ought to be, for example, 433 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: libel laws. There ought to be an ability for people 434 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: to protect themselves of somebody's being genuinely dishonest. But I 435 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: really worry about giving that power either to the oligarchs 436 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: le Zuckerberg, or giving that power to a government which 437 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: is inevitably bureaucratic. But let me ask you. You go 438 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: into your staff meeting and you're thinking about the next 439 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: few weeks, how do you pick the next range of 440 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: countries to go to, the country doesn't matter, right, It's 441 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: the human that matters. Wherever I find interesting humans, you 442 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: have to go and find them wherever they may be. 443 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: So if there is a crazy person in Uganda, like 444 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have to go to Uganda and tell 445 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: his story. So there's a lot of stories that are untold, 446 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like a treasure hunt. You're looking 447 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: for treasures of people's stories that have never been told 448 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: in the history of the planet, in their life, and 449 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: you go and tell it. And that's why this is 450 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: so exciting. And I'm sure you have the same feeling 451 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: right in your podcast. Or you bring in people and 452 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: tell their story that otherwise may not have an ability 453 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: to tell their story. So it's incredibly satisfying and meaningful 454 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: the process of finding and picking all these interesting places. 455 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: Now like the way you approach you, which is you 456 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: sort of start with the human and then work your 457 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: way back to where they happen to be at. I mean, 458 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: that's worth well enough that you really have an amazing 459 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: followership and you're really in position with I think the 460 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: last time we look at like thirty six million followers 461 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: and seven point five million daily views, which is quite 462 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: a fruition of an idea in a very short period 463 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: of time. It wasn't Eve been doing this very few years. 464 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: But in that context, you also have an academy. Now 465 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: what does your academy? So the academy, it's came out 466 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: of the realization that education is broken, and I think 467 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: that in the future there will be a lot less 468 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: of University of Alabama and a lot more of University 469 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: of Allen, University of newt And I think the individual 470 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: is going to be a university in the future. So 471 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: what the academy does It empowers anybody in the world 472 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: that has knowledge to become a university. So we're on 473 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: a mission to build a hundred thousand universities through technology. 474 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: So I take you, okay, mister speaker, mister speaker university 475 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: where he shares what he knows about politics or about 476 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: society or about history, and people learn from you as 477 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: opposed to learning from Harvard or Duke or from whatever. 478 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: And the decentralization of education is what I think the 479 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: future is going to look like, and we want to 480 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: build that for the future. So that's what the academy does. Oh, 481 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I don't know if you've ever looked at 482 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: a firm called Udacity. It's Audacity without the A, but 483 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: it's an online learning system and I'm a big fan 484 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: of it because I think it's both bringing learning to 485 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: people on their terms and it's breaking up the sort 486 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: of notion that you've got to go and sit around 487 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: waiting for the professor and being sort of subservient to 488 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: a hierarchy that can punish you if you don't repeat 489 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: back to them what they want. So I'm delighted you're 490 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: doing this. How do people find your academy. We've built 491 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: five universities so far, so called NAS dot Academy, so 492 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: www dot nas dot Academy. NAS meets people in Arabic, 493 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: so it's the people's academy essentially where we will host many, 494 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: many different people and help them get education. I think 495 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: Harvard is going to have to change. I think University 496 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of Alabama's gonna have to change. Singapore universities will have 497 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: to change. The future is a four year degree will 498 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: be a forty online course degree. And that's the future 499 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: we're building. Do you do listen multiple languages everything we do, 500 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: and this is something that I think anybody listening to 501 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: this should be doing right now. Every video we make, 502 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: every course we create, every web page we make is 503 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: automatically translated to twelve different languages. Because in the world, 504 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: only twenty percent of the world speaks English. The remaining 505 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: ones can't even say hello, and it's like, if you're 506 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: speaking in English, you're speaking to the minority. So all 507 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: my videos, right half of my audience fifteen million people 508 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: do not speak English and follow me. They speak Arabic, 509 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: they speak Vietnamese, they speak Spanish, And that's really exciting 510 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: when you can localize your podcast, for example, to Vietnamese. 511 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, So do you do that with machine translation 512 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: or do you do it with people? Or how do 513 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: you do it? So we built software, We built like 514 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: a Google Translate. But for videos social media videos where 515 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: you just like upload the video, it's automatically translated with 516 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: the machine. Ninety percent of it is translated, so a 517 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: ten percent of it is mistakes, and then we put 518 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: a human to fix the remaining ten percent of mistakes. 519 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: It takes like two or three minutes or so, and 520 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: then we just upload and it's like a five minute 521 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: process to translate a full video. And it's the result 522 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: of massive growth for us right now. And is that 523 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: technology licensable? Yeah, we've built it internally. Anyone that makes 524 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: videos on the Internet should use that technology to localize 525 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: their content, so yeah, yeah, it's licensable. That's wow, that's great. 526 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever spend that time with 527 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: Sebastian Thrune, who is the developer of udacity. But Sebastian 528 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: was a German who decided he want to be an entrepreneur, 529 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: so he came to the US, started at Carnegie Mellon, 530 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: developed the early experiments on self driving cars, and then 531 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: went out to Stanford and became the research director for 532 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: Google and developed earth View and developed the Google self 533 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: driving vehicle. He was teaching at Stanford, so he put 534 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: a course online without Stanford's approval and said he's going 535 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: to teach a course in advanced computing. He had four 536 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: hundred students at Stanford and fifty four thousand people. Wow. 537 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: Taking the cold He said, it was very humbling. The 538 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: best student at Stanford was about number four hundred on 539 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: the finals. Wow. No, he said, at one level, it's 540 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: a great and he said it was a great human 541 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: resources project because you had all these really really smart 542 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: people showing up. He said. The other thing he found 543 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: it was really humbling, was you actually did better on 544 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: the course without his lectures. He said, I always thought 545 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: it was a great lecture. It turned out that people 546 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: were intimidated, and if they asked you a question and 547 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: they didn't understand your answer, they did very seldom come 548 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: back and ask you the second, third, fourth time. But 549 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: if they were online, the computer didn't care, so they 550 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: could keep asking the computer until they finally got it. 551 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: I love that we want from there, quit everything, open up, Udacity, 552 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: and I think is one of the great intellectual entrepreneurs 553 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: of our generation. The two of you at some point 554 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: ought to get together because given what you're doing and 555 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: what he's doing, it might be an extraordinary synergism. I 556 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: love it. We're essentially building a form of fudacity but 557 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: slightly different, and udacity is amazing. I'd love to talk 558 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: to him at some point. Now'll connect you to Sebastian 559 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: because I just think I have a youth. Get to 560 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: know each other would be a contribution to the future 561 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: of the human race. I'm happy to occasionally contribute. Thank you. 562 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: I appreciated and sort of like an old fashioned marriage maker. 563 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: You know, you do the best you can in a 564 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: wild world. Listen, I want to thank you. This has 565 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: been about as much fun as any podcast that I've 566 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: been involved in. And you have a great life. You 567 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of courage. You have the will to 568 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: recognize you don't know what you're doing and do it anyway. 569 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: And I think that that's a key part of real 570 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: entrepreneurship and real creative genius. I mean, creative genius is 571 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: like everybody else, except it doesn't stop. Mister speaker, thank 572 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: you for having me on this. 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