WEBVTT - Draft Show: Breaking Down the Top 100 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:08.840 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.639 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.160 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:22.400 Dallas Cowboys like T D. Lamb and now your hosts 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:31.159 Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. It 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.080 is a Thursday edition of the Draft Show. Where we 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:39.360 are ninety seven days from the NFL Draft in April, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.640 and well, now that we're in double digits, we've got 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.560 to get into the triple digits in terms of top 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.360 one hundred list, and we're gonna do just that. Dame 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.599 Brugler has his top one hundred NFL Draft prospects. We're 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.640 gonna break that down. We're also gonna talk a little 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.600 bit of Senior Bowl here as well. So the Senior 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.560 Bowl is just on the horizon over the next couple 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.240 of days, and there are plenty of prospects that if 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.920 you and the Dallas Cowboys should have your eyes on. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.920 But well, it's gonna be a fun one because we've 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.640 got a battle brewing between Dave Brugler, Jeff Cavtall, and 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.720 Kevin Turner as well. I'm Kyle Yeoman's and well, before 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.960 we get into really the battle that's been brewing on Twitter, Jeff, 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.440 I know you've already talked about it on Twitter. Dane's 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.200 even alluded to it a little bit as well. We're 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.440 gonna talk some safeties, but I do want to get 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.960 into this top one hundred initially and kind of get 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.759 into it and talk about these top one hundred players 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.040 off the bat, Dane, who you've got kind of posted 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.120 on the Athletic and who you've got tabbed as the 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.640 top prospects overall. Yeah, you know, it's it's tough to 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.640 an these type of lists because you know, there's no 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.520 scheme that I'm scouting for and so there's a lot 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.080 of generalities that you have to get through. But we 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.000 try to stack these these players just trying to the 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.240 best players in this class. It's very offensive, top heavy. Um, 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.960 you know, I think my first defensive player is Caleb 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.960 Farley at number ten, my top corner. Uh, you know, 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.520 and I don't think that, you know, anybody that's been 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.000 listening to the show, I don't think that surprises anybody. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.720 This is we just don't have that top ten pass rusher. Uh. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.880 Some of these linebackers are intriguing, but I don't know 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.280 that they're top ten locks. So Caleb Farley at ten, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:21.320 Patrick Shartan at eleven, top two defensive players on my board, 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.760 And then I thought it was interesting how many edge 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.440 players I ended up having between you know, sixteen and 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.200 then like thirty. Um, you know, there's a lot of 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.639 talented guys from Augilarry from Georgia. I'm a big fan 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.560 of Jason o Way from Penn State. Um, you know, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.880 there's plenty of different options there if they're if you're 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.120 the Cowboys and you're looking for a trade back opportunity, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.080 that's where I think the sweet spot is for that 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.520 edge position. It's a very strong When I went through 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.480 the top one hundred and countered up the positions, wide 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.280 receiver led the way with seventeen. Offensive tackle was double 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.680 digits at ten, pass rusher was thirteen, corner was eleven. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.000 So we're looking at four positions that had double digits 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.560 in the top one hundred, four positions that I think 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.880 a lot of teams, including the Cowboys in some of 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:13.119 those areas, could definitely use. Now I'm looking through your list, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.040 did you have the top non Trevor Lawrence name player 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.320 as Pina Seul, and we've kind of talked about him 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.720 at length, and then right after that Jamar Chase instead 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.280 of maybe a Davante Smith. What's the reason why you 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.040 went over Davante Smith who was a Heisman winner, had 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.000 one of the best receiver years in NFL history, and 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.280 you put Jamar Chase up in front. Yeah, And I 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.000 think that with Davante Smith, he's had a fantastically year, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.960 like you said, but Jamar Chase last year had a 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.520 fantastic year and we just can't forget about that. I 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.640 think he's got the more projectable body. I think that 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.360 with Jamar Chase, I I just like him a little 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.080 bit more. And that's it's still like Davante Smith quite 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:53.960 a bit. But if I had a choice between the two, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.560 I'm giving Chase the slight edge. I think that my 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.320 ball mentality that he has is going to serve him 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.280 very well the NFL. There's a little bit of Larry 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.600 Fitzgerald there with which Chase can do, and so I 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.040 think it's it's easy. You know, recency bias is a 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.480 real thing for us and for NFL teams. But Jamar 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.640 Chase was so good last year that I don't think 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.400 he's going to be overlooked. I think that Jamar Chase, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.200 DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddle. We've got three high end wide 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.040 receivers in this class, and all three have a good 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.400 chance to be taken somewhere in the top ten to 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.839 twelve picks. And of course, I mean you talk about 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.560 secondary and there's plenty of secondary players up at its 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.640 front part of his draft. And you've got Klea Farley 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.520 at ten, he's cornerback one. Then you've got Patrick Surtan 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.120 at two. But then if you want to look at 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.359 a safety, you gotta go all the way down to 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.920 thirty three on the list, and that's where Trey von 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.279 Mowray got a TCU. Is the top safety on the board. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.240 He's my top safety as well, but he's a little 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.600 bit higher than maybe thirty three, just by a little 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.479 bit so far. But Jeff, I see you sporting the 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.280 TCU jacket. Now I didn't see it in the open 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.279 I wish I would have. But you're leaving back looking 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.880 at this TCU jacket. Is that for motoring? Is that 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.479 what you're supporting this very moment because he is the 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.479 top safety on the board. That's a great question, Kyle. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.359 You know, he is the top three safety in this 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.680 draft class, so um, that would be a good reason 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.360 to where the TCU hoodie. But I'm actually I'm actually 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.320 rocking the TCU hoodie in honor of his teammate. And 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.840 the best safety in this draft are Darius Washington, who 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.280 who didn't make Dane's top one hundred because as I've 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.400 learned about Dane over the years, Dane hates small people, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.840 which I gotta tell you it's surprising because Dane, are 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.920 you Daney sixty three? You know than I am? Yeah, right, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.280 So Dane's blatant disrespect to my five foot eighth safety. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.520 It hurts my heart. Our Darius Washington on tape for me, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.680 is the best safety in this class. And look, I 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.720 get it. Five eight one seventy eight is what he's 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.440 listed at, and it's like, oh my gosh, he's so 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.599 small sometimes in this game. What I've decided is you 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.280 have to just watch him and if you believe it, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.120 then you say it. And what I believe is that 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.720 our Darius Washington, out of all the safeties that I've watched, 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:10.920 is instinctually the best. He is physical, he will run 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.560 the alley and tackle. He plays single high and covers 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.800 for teammates. When he's playing man, quarterbacks won't even look 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.839 at him. Our Darius Washington, to me on tape, is 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.960 the best safety at TCU and he's the best safety 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.120 in the country. So he can't make the top one 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.320 hundred because Dan didn't like little people. But our Darius 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.120 Washington's an absolute stud and he'll be in my top thirty. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:38.760 Mm hey, I love I love that conviction. Love that conviction, Katie. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.719 I just tell you where you sat here before we 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.159 heard Dane's rebuttal on the safeties back and forth between 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.719 Washington and mored Yeah, I like Marick Moore. Jeff said, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.920 our Darius Washington's five eight, I am might be pushing 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.599 it a little bit, five six, five to seven. And 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.800 look he's tiny. He's really small. He's he's really small. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.240 Um hey, I'm no, uh you know minute bowl here, 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.360 so but uh, I think I think what I would 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.400 say is when I watched him play, I like Ardarius 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.120 Washington's movement skills. I like the way he moves. I 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.120 like that he's got the junkyard dog at him and 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:16.880 he wants to go up and throw his body around 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.600 and tackle. I just don't think that is gonna work 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.760 on defense. I just don't think five to seven five. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:29.520 I'll give Jeff five eighth. Wa'ts his weight? Well, hold on, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.040 hold on, KTLA. There's no combine this year. I'm gonna 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.520 call him five ten and see if I can get 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.680 away with it. I don't care he's listed it. He's 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.280 listed at one seventy eight now. But here's the thing, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.400 the size. Here's here's the way I deal with the 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.000 size thing. Does it ever hurt him? Sure, he has 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.560 a smaller tackle radius. He misses a couple of tackles 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.520 because he can't wrap a guy up because he's he's 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.800 a smaller guy. But like I watch a Sante Samuel 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.119 Junior and when they played Clemson, the first two plays 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.440 of the game, they threw it up on him and 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.440 they took him off the field. They took a sand 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.520 same with Junior off the field. Our Darius Washington and 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.480 both Like twenty nineteen, people tried him because they didn't 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.320 know him. So he had four or five picks. Twenty twenty, 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.480 he had no picks. And I did two full games 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.560 of him in twenty twenty, and I didn't see a target. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.080 People don't throw at him, Like if it's gonna get 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.040 you hurt, I'm waiting for it to get him hurt 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.520 because people don't throw at him because you can't get open. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.680 So I mean that's just as Dane said, I am convicted. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.080 This is our Darius Washington's my guy. And like Dane 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.120 said with Jamar Chase, he mentioned Larry Fitzgerald to me, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.320 and I don't care kill me for it. Shades of 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.720 Honey Badger. That's what I see in our Darius Washington. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.680 And like here's my thing with Washington. I don't even 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.760 think he's a safety. I think he's a nickel only player. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:51.280 And I like Washington. I think he's somewhere early day 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.080 three for me, you know, fourth fifth round. I think 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.920 he runs well, he's a solid open field tackler. He 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.280 breaks down well, you know, rings his feet to balance 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.240 and finishes when he stays square. But like you said, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.559 that lack of length, it just it shows up. There 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.120 are too many you know, quote unquote almost plays on 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.880 his tape, and that that bothers me. You talk, you 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.200 know a guy like Chas Sarat, that bothers you him 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.200 not getting off blocks safeties that there are almost plays 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.240 that really bugs me because as a safety, you're the 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.640 last line of defense, and so I really have questions 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.640 about him holding up as a full time safety. I 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.320 think we're looking at him more as a nickel player, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.640 a guy that can, you know, help you out on defense. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.959 But I just I don't know. I didn't see a 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.079 top one hundred pick. I think that you know he 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.360 he gets pinball too much if he plays too close 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.480 a line of scrimmage. So I don't see a strong safety, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.720 a guy that you're gonna want playing in the box. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.680 Um he can get turned around and coverage down field, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.480 and I don't think he's that elite athlete where he 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:58.160 can easily recover after a false step. So he has 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.640 to play because of that lack of eyes and because 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.200 he doesn't have elite physical traits in terms of just 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.280 his athleticism, I think his margin for air is so small, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.240 and because of that, I just he worries me. Even 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.000 though I do like him. I do like the toughness, 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.640 I do like the competitive style. I have him graded 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.440 as a fourth fifth rounder as a nickel only player. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.880 M So, who was who was our favorite short safety 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.720 in last year's draft. I just want to throw that 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.600 out there. Who all around him Antoine Winfield exactly, Antoine 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:36.360 Winfield junior. So I'm curious as to where a guy 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.240 like Washington would stack up with Antoine Winfield junior. Jeff, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.600 is he just as good as he better than Antoine 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.960 Winfield Junior? Because this is still a guy who went 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.240 in the in the second round and he has played 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.640 exceptionally well in his rookie season for Tampa Bay. I mean, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.839 I've got them similar. I mean the difference is that 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.559 Winfield is a little bit bigger and he's a little 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:06.520 bit better attack. Yeah, like what twenty five pounds? Yeah? Well, 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.400 I'm also not a weight hater, you know. I like, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.160 I like, if you get him to the ground, you 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.880 get him to the ground. And Washington, I do think 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.560 Winfield is a better tackler, So there's yeah, there's something there. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.320 I think Washington is the better mover now. And this 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.360 is to Dane's point when he says that he's when 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.120 he's got him as a nickel only player. That's mostly 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.480 relevant if you're talking about covering guy in man coverage. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.600 But I think that our Darius Washington is the better 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:38.040 cover guy so I mean, I've got him. Similarly, if 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.520 you were just watching tape and you weren't a coward, 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.280 because even I'm a coward to some extent. If you're 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.120 just watching tape and you're not a coward, I would 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.000 put our Darius Washington as a first rounder. But I'm 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.440 probably gonna cheat a little bit and call him like 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.400 a two because he's such five howard. No, I'm not 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.160 gonna be a coward. No, you know what. Hold on, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:58.920 let me click through my things. No, yeah, I have 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.000 him as a one. I have two second round safeties. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.719 I have a first round safety, and I have two 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.920 second round safeties and the first round safety. I would 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.240 get an NFL team fired because they'd be like, wait, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.680 but nobody else is going to pick him in the 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.240 top seventy five, and I'd be like, yeah, I know, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.360 so you guys, we can wait if you want to 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.040 try to wait, but if we lose him, I'll be 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.600 mad at you. And so I would be fighting for 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.480 that guy just at whatever point you thought you had 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.200 to take him, and maybe I'd get us all fired 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.040 because we picked a five eighth safety in the first 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.440 round and it didn't work out because he's a five 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.400 eighth safety and I'd get us all fired. But I 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.440 believe it and I think that's I think that's the 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:37.440 point of this. Like Dane, to me, Dame is the 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.320 best in the business at this. But I'll still have 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.360 guys that I disagree on, and this is one of 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.280 them that I would say, I see a guy to 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.679 me that's similar to honey Badger, and whether he's playing down, 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.760 whether he's playing deep, whether he's walking down into the nickel, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.600 whether he's a dime linebacker with I don't care what 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.640 you want to call him, put him on my team. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.839 Is there, like I know you're compare him the honey Badger. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.440 At least that's who reminds you of in terms of 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.040 his body type. Is there anybody like It's hard to 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.000 come up with guys that are five seven and a 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.640 half one hundred and eighty pounds that are, you know, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.760 impact players in the NFL and that doesn't Before Patrick Mahomes, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.960 you know, you couldn't find the Texas Tech quarterback that 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.760 could you know, do anything in the NFL. So I'm 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.679 not saying that, you know, there's always going to be 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.600 a first for everything. So maybe our Darius Washington is 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.600 the first but finding a five seven and a half 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.720 quarterback one hundred and eighty pound or corner hundred or safety, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.440 defensive back, however you want to qualify them, they're just 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.760 not many of those guys, and so it can be tough. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.320 I think it's like uh nickel Robie Coleman, who you know, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.079 had some uh you know, good years in the league 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.480 as a nickel for the Bills and the Rams, and 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.199 you know he's still floating around the NFL. I mean 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.480 to me, that's the type of player that I think 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.080 we're talking about with him. Um, it's just it's tough 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.480 to find a comparable for our Darius Washington Washington in 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.200 the league. And that doesn't that doesn't mean and you 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.040 dismiss him. It just it makes the likelihood of him 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.480 hitting significantly lower when you can't really come up with 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.200 a comp to his size and skill set. I kind 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.960 of thought of LaMarcus Joyner, although I would say Ardarius 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.160 Washington to me kind of moves better. But little guy 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.680 who plays like their heads on fire, you know, I 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.560 hate that. That's kind of what came to mind for 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.600 me when watched him. But just I said, I was 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.680 immediately think of the smallest guy I could remember from 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.280 the last few years. You know, LaMarcus Joiner a little different. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.280 I mean, I think Ardarius Washington has the ability to 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.040 probably cover a little bit better than LaMarcus Joyner did. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.560 And I don't even know I had LaMarcus Joyner, I 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.160 believe is not really. I mean, I don't think he's 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.440 getting quality playing time for anyone anymore. He had a 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.200 couple a couple of years, I know, with the Rams, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.560 and then you know you don't hear much, but you know, whatever, Again, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.480 he's his own he's his own player. Ardarius watches his 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.560 own player. I didn't really have a problem with your list, Dane. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.160 As I was going down, I would say the problem 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.880 that I had as I think you have maybe more 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.400 too high. I just I just don't see it. You 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:04.080 had one in the thirties. I can't tell you with 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.400 conviction that Moray would crack my top fifty. And maybe 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.160 that's a homework assignment and I've got to go do 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.240 a top fifty now. But like, I really don't think 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.480 he would be there. No, yeah, I get that. And 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.840 I don't think Javon Holland from Morgan would be there. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.960 And I don't think that Cisco, Paris Fort, none of them, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.840 I don't know, there's not That's why I think that's 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.920 part of why I like Washington because I just think 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.880 that he's so much better at football, and that's and 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:35.520 that's the risk. Where to Dane's point, that's part of 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.160 this process is how do we just eliminate guys so 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.400 that we're not taking giant risks? Well, we've never seen 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.320 a guy who looks like our Darius Washington be a 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.440 good NFL safety, So do we just eliminate him? Or 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.600 would I make the passionate plea that once upon a time, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.400 Kyler Murray didn't have a chance in hell it playing 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.720 quarterback in the NFL s Baker Mayfield didn't have a 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.680 chance in hell it going number one overall. Antoine Winfield 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.960 used to maybe would have been a fourth or fifth rounder. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.600 But yeah, I mean there's when you've got physical, when 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.960 you don't physically look like what people think every position 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.920 looks like, you would be taking a giant risk, which 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:11.560 is why I would get lucky, and I'll get that's 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.440 why I get to mock draft and I take Washington 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.840 in the third every time because that's where I'm taking 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.760 my first round player is in the third because no 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.200 one else is going to take him because he's tiny. Now, 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.360 just to clarify really quickly, Katie brought up LaMarcus Joiner. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.520 He did play this year with Las Vegas and actually 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.000 played quite a bit. I mean he was one of 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.400 their better safeties for the Raiders, but kind of on 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.720 the back end. Now, Dane, whenever it comes to treyvon Morig, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:37.920 is there just a little bit more of a comfortable 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.760 feeling with him. I mean six one, two hundred plus pounds. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.560 I mean, he's kind of that prototypical frame for a safety. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.160 He had the seven career interceptions. He was a playmaker, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.440 he was an impact guy. And I think if you're 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.920 looking at a fit specifically, specifically for the Cowboys, he 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.520 might be the better fit for Dallas, even though he 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.200 might not be as good of a player, at least 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:59.880 in Jeff's eyes as maybe in our Darius Washington and 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.920 some of these other safeties. Yeah, I think that's fair. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.119 I mean he's you're in a lot of ways your 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.640 traditional free safety, very smoothing coverage. He can quickly transition. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.680 I do question how fast he is, Like, I don't 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.360 know that he's not gonna run a four to four. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.560 You know, he might be closer to a four to six. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.560 So I think that top end speed I have some 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.679 questions about. But he does have some range. He can 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.639 play both sidelines. Uh, you know, I really like his 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.520 ball searching abilities, the ball skills, the length where he 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.320 can make plays on the football. He's a solid rap tackler. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.240 He can last so the ball carrier. He's not an 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.600 exceptional tackler. So we're talking about a player who I 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.440 don't love, but you know, I like there's things, there's 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.320 plenty to like about him, and like, uh, you know, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.120 Katie was saying, you know, I don't think that he's 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.119 I don't think he's going in the first round, and 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.720 I don't feel great about him even as a top 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.640 forty player. This is this is another draft where it's 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.000 just the safety play. It's just it's not great. And 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.200 there's only one safety in my top fifty and that's 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.520 more egg. I've got I think seven safeties overall in 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.480 the top one hundred. And not to pivot the conversation 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.640 too much, but one of my favorite safeties this year 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.240 who doesn't get talked nearly about nearly enough is Richie 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.800 Grant at UCF Central Florida. I think he's outstanding, a 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:27.200 former wide receiver who has speed, can come downhill, run 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:31.360 the alley and hit. I think that you know he's 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.200 he made my top one hundred. I don't think Richie 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.639 Grant's being talked about nearly enough. I think he's a 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.159 top five safety in this class. I would like to 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.560 add a guy if I could guys on the safeties 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.199 and Dane you have him as your safety three. It's 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.920 just a weird safety class and that there's not safeties 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.480 in this class. Look, the NFL is desperate for dudes 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.760 that can play center field, and we can't find them. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.480 And I think part of that reason, and this probably 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.400 elevates a guy like Morig is part of the reason 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.639 we can't find him is the best athletes play receiver 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.159 and when you get or corner, well, I think a 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.200 lot of them what happens is because look what's happening 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.639 in the draft. A lot of times, if you go 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.399 to college and you'll show up as a receiver and 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.480 you can't get on the field, they switch you to corner. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.359 And if you're six two and two hundred pounds and 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.560 you can run well, all you gonna do is be okay, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.040 and you're gonna get drafted. So like you go from receiver, 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:18.840 then you go to corner, and then if you can't 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.840 run well enough, then you go to safety. There's not 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.040 a lot of dudes that from the age of ten 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.359 are like, man, I want to play safety, That's what 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.880 I'm gonna be, And so it's hard to find them. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.320 And my third guy and Dane's third guy are the same. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.920 And it's Dane. If I say it wrong, just you'll 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.240 correct me or Kyle will, because you guys are really 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.000 good at this. Hamsat and a Cyril Dean Florida State, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.159 so like nas Real Dean, so like my safety's all 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.000 they're very different. I've got I've got Washington, then mull 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.639 Rig I don't love Holland, so Nasrel Deem and he's 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.199 like the exact opposite of our Darius Washington. He the 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.520 tallest safety and pretty much all the safety prospects. I 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.000 mean he's six four, I think, yeah. I mean the 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.000 guys I've got listed here, I don't see another guy 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.399 that didn't close to six four, And I think his 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.119