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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. It
Speaker 1: is a Thursday edition of the Draft Show. Where we
Speaker 1: are ninety seven days from the NFL Draft in April,
Speaker 1: and well, now that we're in double digits, we've got
Speaker 1: to get into the triple digits in terms of top
Speaker 1: one hundred list, and we're gonna do just that. Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler has his top one hundred NFL Draft prospects. We're
Speaker 1: gonna break that down. We're also gonna talk a little
Speaker 1: bit of Senior Bowl here as well. So the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is just on the horizon over the next couple
Speaker 1: of days, and there are plenty of prospects that if
Speaker 1: you and the Dallas Cowboys should have your eyes on.
Speaker 1: But well, it's gonna be a fun one because we've
Speaker 1: got a battle brewing between Dave Brugler, Jeff Cavtall, and
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner as well. I'm Kyle Yeoman's and well, before
Speaker 1: we get into really the battle that's been brewing on Twitter, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I know you've already talked about it on Twitter. Dane's
Speaker 1: even alluded to it a little bit as well. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk some safeties, but I do want to get
Speaker 1: into this top one hundred initially and kind of get
Speaker 1: into it and talk about these top one hundred players
Speaker 1: off the bat, Dane, who you've got kind of posted
Speaker 1: on the Athletic and who you've got tabbed as the
Speaker 1: top prospects overall. Yeah, you know, it's it's tough to
Speaker 1: an these type of lists because you know, there's no
Speaker 1: scheme that I'm scouting for and so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of generalities that you have to get through. But we
Speaker 1: try to stack these these players just trying to the
Speaker 1: best players in this class. It's very offensive, top heavy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think my first defensive player is Caleb
Speaker 1: Farley at number ten, my top corner. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that, you know, anybody that's been
Speaker 1: listening to the show, I don't think that surprises anybody.
Speaker 1: This is we just don't have that top ten pass rusher. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of these linebackers are intriguing, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that they're top ten locks. So Caleb Farley at ten,
Speaker 1: Patrick Shartan at eleven, top two defensive players on my board,
Speaker 1: And then I thought it was interesting how many edge
Speaker 1: players I ended up having between you know, sixteen and
Speaker 1: then like thirty. Um, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: talented guys from Augilarry from Georgia. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of Jason o Way from Penn State. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of different options there if they're if you're
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and you're looking for a trade back opportunity,
Speaker 1: that's where I think the sweet spot is for that
Speaker 1: edge position. It's a very strong When I went through
Speaker 1: the top one hundred and countered up the positions, wide
Speaker 1: receiver led the way with seventeen. Offensive tackle was double
Speaker 1: digits at ten, pass rusher was thirteen, corner was eleven.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at four positions that had double digits
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, four positions that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, including the Cowboys in some of
Speaker 1: those areas, could definitely use. Now I'm looking through your list,
Speaker 1: did you have the top non Trevor Lawrence name player
Speaker 1: as Pina Seul, and we've kind of talked about him
Speaker 1: at length, and then right after that Jamar Chase instead
Speaker 1: of maybe a Davante Smith. What's the reason why you
Speaker 1: went over Davante Smith who was a Heisman winner, had
Speaker 1: one of the best receiver years in NFL history, and
Speaker 1: you put Jamar Chase up in front. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that with Davante Smith, he's had a fantastically year,
Speaker 1: like you said, but Jamar Chase last year had a
Speaker 1: fantastic year and we just can't forget about that. I
Speaker 1: think he's got the more projectable body. I think that
Speaker 1: with Jamar Chase, I I just like him a little
Speaker 1: bit more. And that's it's still like Davante Smith quite
Speaker 1: a bit. But if I had a choice between the two,
Speaker 1: I'm giving Chase the slight edge. I think that my
Speaker 1: ball mentality that he has is going to serve him
Speaker 1: very well the NFL. There's a little bit of Larry
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald there with which Chase can do, and so I
Speaker 1: think it's it's easy. You know, recency bias is a
Speaker 1: real thing for us and for NFL teams. But Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase was so good last year that I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to be overlooked. I think that Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, Jalen Waddle. We've got three high end wide
Speaker 1: receivers in this class, and all three have a good
Speaker 1: chance to be taken somewhere in the top ten to
Speaker 1: twelve picks. And of course, I mean you talk about
Speaker 1: secondary and there's plenty of secondary players up at its
Speaker 1: front part of his draft. And you've got Klea Farley
Speaker 1: at ten, he's cornerback one. Then you've got Patrick Surtan
Speaker 1: at two. But then if you want to look at
Speaker 1: a safety, you gotta go all the way down to
Speaker 1: thirty three on the list, and that's where Trey von
Speaker 1: Mowray got a TCU. Is the top safety on the board.
Speaker 1: He's my top safety as well, but he's a little
Speaker 1: bit higher than maybe thirty three, just by a little
Speaker 1: bit so far. But Jeff, I see you sporting the
Speaker 1: TCU jacket. Now I didn't see it in the open
Speaker 1: I wish I would have. But you're leaving back looking
Speaker 1: at this TCU jacket. Is that for motoring? Is that
Speaker 1: what you're supporting this very moment because he is the
Speaker 1: top safety on the board. That's a great question, Kyle.
Speaker 1: You know, he is the top three safety in this
Speaker 1: draft class, so um, that would be a good reason
Speaker 1: to where the TCU hoodie. But I'm actually I'm actually
Speaker 1: rocking the TCU hoodie in honor of his teammate. And
Speaker 1: the best safety in this draft are Darius Washington, who
Speaker 1: who didn't make Dane's top one hundred because as I've
Speaker 1: learned about Dane over the years, Dane hates small people,
Speaker 1: which I gotta tell you it's surprising because Dane, are
Speaker 1: you Daney sixty three? You know than I am? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So Dane's blatant disrespect to my five foot eighth safety.
Speaker 1: It hurts my heart. Our Darius Washington on tape for me,
Speaker 1: is the best safety in this class. And look, I
Speaker 1: get it. Five eight one seventy eight is what he's
Speaker 1: listed at, and it's like, oh my gosh, he's so
Speaker 1: small sometimes in this game. What I've decided is you
Speaker 1: have to just watch him and if you believe it,
Speaker 1: then you say it. And what I believe is that
Speaker 1: our Darius Washington, out of all the safeties that I've watched,
Speaker 1: is instinctually the best. He is physical, he will run
Speaker 1: the alley and tackle. He plays single high and covers
Speaker 1: for teammates. When he's playing man, quarterbacks won't even look
Speaker 1: at him. Our Darius Washington, to me on tape, is
Speaker 1: the best safety at TCU and he's the best safety
Speaker 1: in the country. So he can't make the top one
Speaker 1: hundred because Dan didn't like little people. But our Darius
Speaker 1: Washington's an absolute stud and he'll be in my top thirty.
Speaker 1: Mm hey, I love I love that conviction. Love that conviction, Katie.
Speaker 1: I just tell you where you sat here before we
Speaker 1: heard Dane's rebuttal on the safeties back and forth between
Speaker 1: Washington and mored Yeah, I like Marick Moore. Jeff said,
Speaker 1: our Darius Washington's five eight, I am might be pushing
Speaker 1: it a little bit, five six, five to seven. And
Speaker 1: look he's tiny. He's really small. He's he's really small.
Speaker 1: Um hey, I'm no, uh you know minute bowl here,
Speaker 1: so but uh, I think I think what I would
Speaker 1: say is when I watched him play, I like Ardarius
Speaker 1: Washington's movement skills. I like the way he moves. I
Speaker 1: like that he's got the junkyard dog at him and
Speaker 1: he wants to go up and throw his body around
Speaker 1: and tackle. I just don't think that is gonna work
Speaker 1: on defense. I just don't think five to seven five.
Speaker 1: I'll give Jeff five eighth. Wa'ts his weight? Well, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, KTLA. There's no combine this year. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call him five ten and see if I can get
Speaker 1: away with it. I don't care he's listed it. He's
Speaker 1: listed at one seventy eight now. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: the size. Here's here's the way I deal with the
Speaker 1: size thing. Does it ever hurt him? Sure, he has
Speaker 1: a smaller tackle radius. He misses a couple of tackles
Speaker 1: because he can't wrap a guy up because he's he's
Speaker 1: a smaller guy. But like I watch a Sante Samuel
Speaker 1: Junior and when they played Clemson, the first two plays
Speaker 1: of the game, they threw it up on him and
Speaker 1: they took him off the field. They took a sand
Speaker 1: same with Junior off the field. Our Darius Washington and
Speaker 1: both Like twenty nineteen, people tried him because they didn't
Speaker 1: know him. So he had four or five picks. Twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: he had no picks. And I did two full games
Speaker 1: of him in twenty twenty, and I didn't see a target.
Speaker 1: People don't throw at him, Like if it's gonna get
Speaker 1: you hurt, I'm waiting for it to get him hurt
Speaker 1: because people don't throw at him because you can't get open.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's just as Dane said, I am convicted.
Speaker 1: This is our Darius Washington's my guy. And like Dane
Speaker 1: said with Jamar Chase, he mentioned Larry Fitzgerald to me,
Speaker 1: and I don't care kill me for it. Shades of
Speaker 1: Honey Badger. That's what I see in our Darius Washington.
Speaker 1: And like here's my thing with Washington. I don't even
Speaker 1: think he's a safety. I think he's a nickel only player.
Speaker 1: And I like Washington. I think he's somewhere early day
Speaker 1: three for me, you know, fourth fifth round. I think
Speaker 1: he runs well, he's a solid open field tackler. He
Speaker 1: breaks down well, you know, rings his feet to balance
Speaker 1: and finishes when he stays square. But like you said,
Speaker 1: that lack of length, it just it shows up. There
Speaker 1: are too many you know, quote unquote almost plays on
Speaker 1: his tape, and that that bothers me. You talk, you
Speaker 1: know a guy like Chas Sarat, that bothers you him
Speaker 1: not getting off blocks safeties that there are almost plays
Speaker 1: that really bugs me because as a safety, you're the
Speaker 1: last line of defense, and so I really have questions
Speaker 1: about him holding up as a full time safety. I
Speaker 1: think we're looking at him more as a nickel player,
Speaker 1: a guy that can, you know, help you out on defense.
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know. I didn't see a
Speaker 1: top one hundred pick. I think that you know he
Speaker 1: he gets pinball too much if he plays too close
Speaker 1: a line of scrimmage. So I don't see a strong safety,
Speaker 1: a guy that you're gonna want playing in the box.
Speaker 1: Um he can get turned around and coverage down field,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's that elite athlete where he
Speaker 1: can easily recover after a false step. So he has
Speaker 1: to play because of that lack of eyes and because
Speaker 1: he doesn't have elite physical traits in terms of just
Speaker 1: his athleticism, I think his margin for air is so small,
Speaker 1: and because of that, I just he worries me. Even
Speaker 1: though I do like him. I do like the toughness,
Speaker 1: I do like the competitive style. I have him graded
Speaker 1: as a fourth fifth rounder as a nickel only player.
Speaker 1: M So, who was who was our favorite short safety
Speaker 1: in last year's draft. I just want to throw that
Speaker 1: out there. Who all around him Antoine Winfield exactly, Antoine
Speaker 1: Winfield junior. So I'm curious as to where a guy
Speaker 1: like Washington would stack up with Antoine Winfield junior. Jeff,
Speaker 1: is he just as good as he better than Antoine
Speaker 1: Winfield Junior? Because this is still a guy who went
Speaker 1: in the in the second round and he has played
Speaker 1: exceptionally well in his rookie season for Tampa Bay. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got them similar. I mean the difference is that
Speaker 1: Winfield is a little bit bigger and he's a little
Speaker 1: bit better attack. Yeah, like what twenty five pounds? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm also not a weight hater, you know. I like,
Speaker 1: I like, if you get him to the ground, you
Speaker 1: get him to the ground. And Washington, I do think
Speaker 1: Winfield is a better tackler, So there's yeah, there's something there.
Speaker 1: I think Washington is the better mover now. And this
Speaker 1: is to Dane's point when he says that he's when
Speaker 1: he's got him as a nickel only player. That's mostly
Speaker 1: relevant if you're talking about covering guy in man coverage.
Speaker 1: But I think that our Darius Washington is the better
Speaker 1: cover guy so I mean, I've got him. Similarly, if
Speaker 1: you were just watching tape and you weren't a coward,
Speaker 1: because even I'm a coward to some extent. If you're
Speaker 1: just watching tape and you're not a coward, I would
Speaker 1: put our Darius Washington as a first rounder. But I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna cheat a little bit and call him like
Speaker 1: a two because he's such five howard. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be a coward. No, you know what. Hold on,
Speaker 1: let me click through my things. No, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: him as a one. I have two second round safeties.
Speaker 1: I have a first round safety, and I have two
Speaker 1: second round safeties and the first round safety. I would
Speaker 1: get an NFL team fired because they'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: but nobody else is going to pick him in the
Speaker 1: top seventy five, and I'd be like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: so you guys, we can wait if you want to
Speaker 1: try to wait, but if we lose him, I'll be
Speaker 1: mad at you. And so I would be fighting for
Speaker 1: that guy just at whatever point you thought you had
Speaker 1: to take him, and maybe I'd get us all fired
Speaker 1: because we picked a five eighth safety in the first
Speaker 1: round and it didn't work out because he's a five
Speaker 1: eighth safety and I'd get us all fired. But I
Speaker 1: believe it and I think that's I think that's the
Speaker 1: point of this. Like Dane, to me, Dame is the
Speaker 1: best in the business at this. But I'll still have
Speaker 1: guys that I disagree on, and this is one of
Speaker 1: them that I would say, I see a guy to
Speaker 1: me that's similar to honey Badger, and whether he's playing down,
Speaker 1: whether he's playing deep, whether he's walking down into the nickel,
Speaker 1: whether he's a dime linebacker with I don't care what
Speaker 1: you want to call him, put him on my team.
Speaker 1: Is there, like I know you're compare him the honey Badger.
Speaker 1: At least that's who reminds you of in terms of
Speaker 1: his body type. Is there anybody like It's hard to
Speaker 1: come up with guys that are five seven and a
Speaker 1: half one hundred and eighty pounds that are, you know,
Speaker 1: impact players in the NFL and that doesn't Before Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't find the Texas Tech quarterback that
Speaker 1: could you know, do anything in the NFL. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that, you know, there's always going to be
Speaker 1: a first for everything. So maybe our Darius Washington is
Speaker 1: the first but finding a five seven and a half
Speaker 1: quarterback one hundred and eighty pound or corner hundred or safety,
Speaker 1: defensive back, however you want to qualify them, they're just
Speaker 1: not many of those guys, and so it can be tough.
Speaker 1: I think it's like uh nickel Robie Coleman, who you know,
Speaker 1: had some uh you know, good years in the league
Speaker 1: as a nickel for the Bills and the Rams, and
Speaker 1: you know he's still floating around the NFL. I mean
Speaker 1: to me, that's the type of player that I think
Speaker 1: we're talking about with him. Um, it's just it's tough
Speaker 1: to find a comparable for our Darius Washington Washington in
Speaker 1: the league. And that doesn't that doesn't mean and you
Speaker 1: dismiss him. It just it makes the likelihood of him
Speaker 1: hitting significantly lower when you can't really come up with
Speaker 1: a comp to his size and skill set. I kind
Speaker 1: of thought of LaMarcus Joyner, although I would say Ardarius
Speaker 1: Washington to me kind of moves better. But little guy
Speaker 1: who plays like their heads on fire, you know, I
Speaker 1: hate that. That's kind of what came to mind for
Speaker 1: me when watched him. But just I said, I was
Speaker 1: immediately think of the smallest guy I could remember from
Speaker 1: the last few years. You know, LaMarcus Joiner a little different.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Ardarius Washington has the ability to
Speaker 1: probably cover a little bit better than LaMarcus Joyner did.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know I had LaMarcus Joyner, I
Speaker 1: believe is not really. I mean, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: getting quality playing time for anyone anymore. He had a
Speaker 1: couple a couple of years, I know, with the Rams,
Speaker 1: and then you know you don't hear much, but you know, whatever, Again,
Speaker 1: he's his own he's his own player. Ardarius watches his
Speaker 1: own player. I didn't really have a problem with your list, Dane.
Speaker 1: As I was going down, I would say the problem
Speaker 1: that I had as I think you have maybe more
Speaker 1: too high. I just I just don't see it. You
Speaker 1: had one in the thirties. I can't tell you with
Speaker 1: conviction that Moray would crack my top fifty. And maybe
Speaker 1: that's a homework assignment and I've got to go do
Speaker 1: a top fifty now. But like, I really don't think
Speaker 1: he would be there. No, yeah, I get that. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Javon Holland from Morgan would be there.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that Cisco, Paris Fort, none of them,
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's not That's why I think that's
Speaker 1: part of why I like Washington because I just think
Speaker 1: that he's so much better at football, and that's and
Speaker 1: that's the risk. Where to Dane's point, that's part of
Speaker 1: this process is how do we just eliminate guys so
Speaker 1: that we're not taking giant risks? Well, we've never seen
Speaker 1: a guy who looks like our Darius Washington be a
Speaker 1: good NFL safety, So do we just eliminate him? Or
Speaker 1: would I make the passionate plea that once upon a time,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray didn't have a chance in hell it playing
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL s Baker Mayfield didn't have a
Speaker 1: chance in hell it going number one overall. Antoine Winfield
Speaker 1: used to maybe would have been a fourth or fifth rounder.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there's when you've got physical, when
Speaker 1: you don't physically look like what people think every position
Speaker 1: looks like, you would be taking a giant risk, which
Speaker 1: is why I would get lucky, and I'll get that's
Speaker 1: why I get to mock draft and I take Washington
Speaker 1: in the third every time because that's where I'm taking
Speaker 1: my first round player is in the third because no
Speaker 1: one else is going to take him because he's tiny. Now,
Speaker 1: just to clarify really quickly, Katie brought up LaMarcus Joiner.
Speaker 1: He did play this year with Las Vegas and actually
Speaker 1: played quite a bit. I mean he was one of
Speaker 1: their better safeties for the Raiders, but kind of on
Speaker 1: the back end. Now, Dane, whenever it comes to treyvon Morig,
Speaker 1: is there just a little bit more of a comfortable
Speaker 1: feeling with him. I mean six one, two hundred plus pounds.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of that prototypical frame for a safety.
Speaker 1: He had the seven career interceptions. He was a playmaker,
Speaker 1: he was an impact guy. And I think if you're
Speaker 1: looking at a fit specifically, specifically for the Cowboys, he
Speaker 1: might be the better fit for Dallas, even though he
Speaker 1: might not be as good of a player, at least
Speaker 1: in Jeff's eyes as maybe in our Darius Washington and
Speaker 1: some of these other safeties. Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean he's you're in a lot of ways your
Speaker 1: traditional free safety, very smoothing coverage. He can quickly transition.
Speaker 1: I do question how fast he is, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's not gonna run a four to four.
Speaker 1: You know, he might be closer to a four to six.
Speaker 1: So I think that top end speed I have some
Speaker 1: questions about. But he does have some range. He can
Speaker 1: play both sidelines. Uh, you know, I really like his
Speaker 1: ball searching abilities, the ball skills, the length where he
Speaker 1: can make plays on the football. He's a solid rap tackler.
Speaker 1: He can last so the ball carrier. He's not an
Speaker 1: exceptional tackler. So we're talking about a player who I
Speaker 1: don't love, but you know, I like there's things, there's
Speaker 1: plenty to like about him, and like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Katie was saying, you know, I don't think that he's
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going in the first round, and
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about him even as a top
Speaker 1: forty player. This is this is another draft where it's
Speaker 1: just the safety play. It's just it's not great. And
Speaker 1: there's only one safety in my top fifty and that's
Speaker 1: more egg. I've got I think seven safeties overall in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred. And not to pivot the conversation
Speaker 1: too much, but one of my favorite safeties this year
Speaker 1: who doesn't get talked nearly about nearly enough is Richie
Speaker 1: Grant at UCF Central Florida. I think he's outstanding, a
Speaker 1: former wide receiver who has speed, can come downhill, run
Speaker 1: the alley and hit. I think that you know he's
Speaker 1: he made my top one hundred. I don't think Richie
Speaker 1: Grant's being talked about nearly enough. I think he's a
Speaker 1: top five safety in this class. I would like to
Speaker 1: add a guy if I could guys on the safeties
Speaker 1: and Dane you have him as your safety three. It's
Speaker 1: just a weird safety class and that there's not safeties
Speaker 1: in this class. Look, the NFL is desperate for dudes
Speaker 1: that can play center field, and we can't find them.
Speaker 1: And I think part of that reason, and this probably
Speaker 1: elevates a guy like Morig is part of the reason
Speaker 1: we can't find him is the best athletes play receiver
Speaker 1: and when you get or corner, well, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of them what happens is because look what's happening
Speaker 1: in the draft. A lot of times, if you go
Speaker 1: to college and you'll show up as a receiver and
Speaker 1: you can't get on the field, they switch you to corner.
Speaker 1: And if you're six two and two hundred pounds and
Speaker 1: you can run well, all you gonna do is be okay,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get drafted. So like you go from receiver,
Speaker 1: then you go to corner, and then if you can't
Speaker 1: run well enough, then you go to safety. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes that from the age of ten
Speaker 1: are like, man, I want to play safety, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be, And so it's hard to find them.
Speaker 1: And my third guy and Dane's third guy are the same.
Speaker 1: And it's Dane. If I say it wrong, just you'll
Speaker 1: correct me or Kyle will, because you guys are really
Speaker 1: good at this. Hamsat and a Cyril Dean Florida State,
Speaker 1: so like nas Real Dean, so like my safety's all
Speaker 1: they're very different. I've got I've got Washington, then mull
Speaker 1: Rig I don't love Holland, so Nasrel Deem and he's
Speaker 1: like the exact opposite of our Darius Washington. He the
Speaker 1: tallest safety and pretty much all the safety prospects. I
Speaker 1: mean he's six four, I think, yeah. I mean the
Speaker 1: guys I've got listed here, I don't see another guy
Speaker 1: that didn't close to six four, And I think his
Speaker 1: arms are about as long as two of mine. And
Speaker 1: I'm sixty three, So like he's the exact opposite of
Speaker 1: Washington that he's kind of a giant at safety, but
Speaker 1: he's just like he's sort of your box tackling machine,
Speaker 1: not terrible in coverage, can make some plays in the
Speaker 1: passing game. And it's just it's weird trying to find
Speaker 1: great safeties in these draft classes, and I just I
Speaker 1: don't see him this year. That's where the Sun Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is gonna be like huge for some of these guys.
Speaker 1: Like there's a guy like from Pittsburgh, DeMar Hamlin. I
Speaker 1: don't think he made your top one hundred day, but
Speaker 1: DeMar Hamlin is a guy I watch him on tape.
Speaker 1: I like it, but the things that he did at
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh makes me nervous. For his size, he's kind of
Speaker 1: used as a matchup tool, but like I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there watching him and going, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's fast enough to cover the deep part of
Speaker 1: the field. And I know he could come and make
Speaker 1: his presence vote in the run game, even though he's
Speaker 1: you know, ten fifteen pounds lighter than I want him
Speaker 1: to be, you know, and there's like some things there
Speaker 1: I'm like man, I don't know if he was used
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh the way he might transition the pros. I
Speaker 1: also don't know if he's fast enough, and I want
Speaker 1: to see that at the Senior Bowls's that's one of
Speaker 1: the guys, you know. That's like, I'm glad that he's
Speaker 1: going to the Senior Bowl and we can watch him
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Sure. There are a couple of
Speaker 1: really good group of five safeties that are going to
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that I'm really excited to watch up against,
Speaker 1: maybe some of these power five receivers. James Wiggins out
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. I think he could be a solid player.
Speaker 1: Richie Grant from UCF. I like both of those guys
Speaker 1: as group of five, kind of middle round prospects. Nothing
Speaker 1: crazy up near maybe a mo rig or Nasser Radine
Speaker 1: or Washington or something like that. But I do like
Speaker 1: those guys in terms of maybe kind of group of
Speaker 1: five talent. Now, Dane, just for everybody listening, you said
Speaker 1: that you had seven safeties in your top one hundred,
Speaker 1: and that might sound like a lot, but I was
Speaker 1: looking through just kind of compared in terms of different positions.
Speaker 1: You had seven edge rushers in your top thirty two,
Speaker 1: So you match the same amount of players, throw them
Speaker 1: in the top thirty two, and that's how many safeties
Speaker 1: you have in all of it. Offensive tackles specifically, you
Speaker 1: have seven offensive tackles in your top forty six. You
Speaker 1: have seven wide receivers in your top forty eight. So
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that there is a lack of
Speaker 1: depth here at safety. Do you think that could entice
Speaker 1: maybe a team like the Cowboys who desperately need a
Speaker 1: free safety, desperately need some help on the back end
Speaker 1: to maybe go and stretch that pick a little bit
Speaker 1: at two or maybe even three, some of those premium
Speaker 1: Day two picks. I hope not, because you're reaching out
Speaker 1: a player. So even though it's a need, you're still reaching.
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard to find safeties. I mean, the
Speaker 1: way Jeff set it up was I think spot on.
Speaker 1: And just because you don't have that guy doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you should go reach to try and get him. So
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of drafting good players, and if there's
Speaker 1: a better player on the board, even though it might
Speaker 1: not be as big of a need, that's that's the
Speaker 1: direction they should be drafting, not necessarily reaching for some
Speaker 1: of these guys, even though I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: only one safety my top fifty, and that's Morigum, you know.
Speaker 1: And then after that, I mean we talked about it,
Speaker 1: like the guy like Nasheal Dean. There's just not many
Speaker 1: safeties that look like him. He's he's different, and so
Speaker 1: you have to understand how to use a player like that,
Speaker 1: you know. I think there's some interesting guys. You know,
Speaker 1: Jamie and Sherwood from Auburn's an interesting junior who came
Speaker 1: out and just cracked my top one hundred. Like him
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I mentioned Richie Grant how he's being
Speaker 1: slept on. So you know, there are some safety options
Speaker 1: if they want to try and find that position later,
Speaker 1: but hopefully they do not reach on a player just
Speaker 1: because it's a need. It's a seven or eight, so
Speaker 1: about the right number. If you go back two years,
Speaker 1: that's the draft of the Cowboys at Tristan Hill. But
Speaker 1: we were always kind of talking about one Thorn Hill
Speaker 1: and the Taylor Raps of the world. Seven safeties going
Speaker 1: the top one hundred and last year's draft eight safeties
Speaker 1: going the top one hundred. If you remember the you know,
Speaker 1: the Jeremy Chens and the cow Duggers of the World
Speaker 1: and Ashton Davis and things like that. Just for reference,
Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna be. Probably it's usually around that area.
Speaker 1: Six to eight safeties in the top one hundred and
Speaker 1: your Cowboys picks four picks and the top one h
Speaker 1: five four cracks at it to take a safety. I
Speaker 1: don't think this team will do it. Personally, and yeah
Speaker 1: I knew DC dan Quinn. I don't see them pulling
Speaker 1: the trigger on a safety. And you know what, I
Speaker 1: kind of as much as I complain a lot about
Speaker 1: them quote ignoring the safety position, and there's no one
Speaker 1: here blowing me away, so I would kind of just
Speaker 1: see what happens to free agency. Maybe I'm not writing
Speaker 1: it off. I'm just saying I'm not. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: bother me if they don't pull the trigger on a
Speaker 1: safety with their top four picks Katie and Jeff specifically,
Speaker 1: I mean, whenever it comes to this front office and
Speaker 1: you're coming up at forty four and you've got Trey
Speaker 1: von Mowig on the board, you've already addressed a big
Speaker 1: need with your pick at ten, whether it's corner or
Speaker 1: edge rusher or maybe even defensive tackle. If you want
Speaker 1: to go with Christian Barmore there, you address a defensive
Speaker 1: need at ten. Let's just say that. And Morigg is
Speaker 1: sitting there at forty four. He's a top safety on
Speaker 1: your board, and he compare with with Donovan Wilson. You
Speaker 1: have those two guys on the backside of the defense.
Speaker 1: You're you're saying that they won't do that. You don't
Speaker 1: think they would invest that high of a pick at
Speaker 1: forty four overall to maybe go get a safety, even
Speaker 1: though he's a Texas kid. He's a guy that's right
Speaker 1: down the road at TCU. You've seen him plague on
Speaker 1: countless occasions. I mean, they could, but if they feel
Speaker 1: about him the way that let's say um Kat does,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't have an idea of what
Speaker 1: my top fifty would look like, he might be in it.
Speaker 1: I bet that's around the area. But you know, in
Speaker 1: a draft and when you get even to forty four,
Speaker 1: I would bet, and maybe Dane can help out here.
Speaker 1: With all the connects in the NFL, I bet it's
Speaker 1: rare that you get to the forty fourth pick in
Speaker 1: the draft and you have that pick and you don't
Speaker 1: have one of your top thirty players available. That the
Speaker 1: way it and so like for me, I like what
Speaker 1: Dane is doing with these edge guys because mine's the
Speaker 1: same one. So he's like, hey, who do you like
Speaker 1: better between so and so and so and so and
Speaker 1: so and so and I'm like, dude, I got every
Speaker 1: single one of them, as like pick them somewhere around thirty,
Speaker 1: like all of them. So there's there's a chance you're
Speaker 1: going to get there, And do you want to not
Speaker 1: even necessarily reach because if he's your let's say he's
Speaker 1: your forty fifth best player and you're at forty four,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a reach. But you look up you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: or twenty eighth best player available is available, Like it's
Speaker 1: um bash them the defensive end or it's Osie. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you got these, you got these pass rushers that
Speaker 1: are available. I don't. I don't want to reach because
Speaker 1: I'm desperate and I need something there. I don't want
Speaker 1: to I would rather just sign Xavier Woods on a
Speaker 1: one year deal and play them at free safety and
Speaker 1: go pick the best players. Well, I know last year,
Speaker 1: uh Antoine Winfield, the Bucks had a pretty high grade
Speaker 1: on him. And they got him a forty five. So
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's probably rare for it to happen.
Speaker 1: But one example from last year. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: now that you know, like we know Donovan Wilson can't
Speaker 1: cover no offense, Donovan good player, strong safety type, we
Speaker 1: know he can't cover. So it's like it's very clear
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. It's out there. It's Trevon Moory
Speaker 1: fast enough to go play free safety for you. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think. Okay, that's just me and
Speaker 1: then I don't hate the player or anything, but like
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty specific role for you. Man. If
Speaker 1: we're transitioning to playing a lot of Cover three and
Speaker 1: things like that, a lot of single high type stuff,
Speaker 1: then I got to have trust and range. And look,
Speaker 1: I think his instincts are fine. I think when it's
Speaker 1: when we're talking about getting from the hash to the
Speaker 1: opposite side of the field numbers to go make a
Speaker 1: play on the ball, I don't know if he can
Speaker 1: get there. And that's that kind of bothers me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a worry if he comes
Speaker 1: out and runs maybe a four five or four five
Speaker 1: five or something like that a little bit faster than
Speaker 1: that four six that we kind of talked about earlier
Speaker 1: as a potential for morag And I know there's no combine.
Speaker 1: I know it's probably gonna take place down the road
Speaker 1: in Fort Worth. But if he comes out and runs
Speaker 1: something pretty decent, I think his draft stock goes up
Speaker 1: for me as a free safety because he played a
Speaker 1: lot of Cover three and played a lot of that
Speaker 1: single high safety during this time at TCU. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've run a lot of that stuff in the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: and I think he could potentially fit alongside Donovan and
Speaker 1: Wilson quite well. Okay, so when we come back here
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Speaker 1: but let's go into some twitter on the twenty lots
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Speaker 1: runsheet is also on my phone. What's the third segment, Katie?
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl stuff? Right, so let's let's just let's talk
Speaker 1: about Senior Bowl next week. We got a Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: let's do twitter on the forty five's and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl right here. Hey, my my top
Speaker 1: one hundred I had thirty seven players that are on
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl roster. So we're talking about some pretty
Speaker 1: good talent. It's going to be in Mobile next week.
Speaker 1: Davante Smith reveal that is going to be there and
Speaker 1: he's doing a really smart thing, but with no combine
Speaker 1: we don't know what the pro days are gonna look like.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get some FaceTime with the Miami Dolphins, who
Speaker 1: owned that number three pick. Pretty shrewd move on his part,
Speaker 1: even though he won't be able to practice with that
Speaker 1: thumb injury. It's a it's a pretty interesting group with
Speaker 1: the roster they're putting together for the Senior Bowl. What
Speaker 1: are some of what do you think are some of
Speaker 1: the First of all, Jim Naggie does an incredible job
Speaker 1: of getting guys because I didn't always think of the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl this way, and maybe I just didn't pay
Speaker 1: enough attention, but I didn't always think of the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl as a place where there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: first round picks. But the last few years, I mean
Speaker 1: really before Naggie was even taking part, and it was
Speaker 1: when we were there with Aaron Donald and Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: But now, I mean, you're getting one one, You're getting
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who go number one overall, you're getting linemen, and
Speaker 1: you're just they get such great players. What are to
Speaker 1: you the best groups where you know when you're getting
Speaker 1: to see and getting a hold of the tape of
Speaker 1: the one on ones and all those things of your
Speaker 1: sort of projections. What are the best groups? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know that this year we have a lot
Speaker 1: of the you know, top Like into my top twenty five,
Speaker 1: there's only one guy that's going to be participating and
Speaker 1: that's Kadarius Tony. So I don't know that we have
Speaker 1: a lot of the high end guys. But in between
Speaker 1: twenty five and sixty there's a lot of senior Bowl guys.
Speaker 1: And I'm interested in the tackles first, the edge rushers.
Speaker 1: You know, seeing a guy like Alex Leatherwood Alabama left tackle,
Speaker 1: or Liam Eichenberg Notre Dame's left tackle going up against
Speaker 1: one on one with some of these edge rushers, whether
Speaker 1: it's a Carlos Bashum or Rashad Weaver from pitt that's
Speaker 1: gonna be I think a really good matchup those offensive
Speaker 1: line one on ones. A chance to see Deonte Brown,
Speaker 1: that big, hulking offensive guard for Alabama. How can he
Speaker 1: hold up in space? He came up, came in at
Speaker 1: number fifty on my board. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: Deonte Brown. How does he do against a Levi own Zawiki,
Speaker 1: who you know is such a violent player at defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: So those one on ones in the trench's offensive line
Speaker 1: defensive line should be a lot of fun. And then
Speaker 1: also wide receiver and uh in corner you know mentioned
Speaker 1: I mentioned Kadarius Tony. He is as elusive as it
Speaker 1: gets as a route runner. His ability to uncover is
Speaker 1: just dynamic. And how how do corners come back that,
Speaker 1: you know, besides just saying a prayer. It's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough for those guys in that situation. But you
Speaker 1: know Melofon from Syracuse for example, how does he hold
Speaker 1: up on the outside. That should be a great test.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of those one on one
Speaker 1: matchups that will be interesting. Last year, whenever the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were at the Senior Bowl and they had needs of
Speaker 1: like defensive tackle and they had edge rusher, I mean,
Speaker 1: they came out with guys like Neville Gallimore and they
Speaker 1: came out with guys like Bradley and I at the
Speaker 1: same time, I see there's a lot of back end
Speaker 1: cornerback talent. There's a lot of linebacker talent. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've talked about Baron Browning out of Ohio State on
Speaker 1: this show before. Jabril cox On from Lash Charles Nowden
Speaker 1: for Virginia. These are all guys that I think at
Speaker 1: least that linebacker you could compare that to the corner
Speaker 1: class as well, that could potentially show out at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and catch the eyes of maybe some of
Speaker 1: these Dallas Cowboys. Scout Katie, do you think there's a
Speaker 1: specific position in which the Cowboys will go out and
Speaker 1: maybe take one of these guys from Mobile. I mean, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know they need defense, right you know, for me,
Speaker 1: like when I'm when I think about the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: it does help, you know, it does help to go
Speaker 1: along and supplement you know, the tape that you've watched,
Speaker 1: and I always have a hard time grouping the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: like ranking the wide receivers, and it's always a little helpful,
Speaker 1: you know, to see these guys in one on one
Speaker 1: situations and things like that, just in terms of stacking
Speaker 1: your players at wide receivers sometimes because there's just so
Speaker 1: much chaos at wide receiver all the time. We know
Speaker 1: this team needs defense. Looking there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of um there's a lot of options that they're gonna
Speaker 1: have with four picks in the top one oh five,
Speaker 1: And I look at you, Dan, kind of Mitchell the
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, I have to spend a lot of time there. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, guys like well I will mention one day,
Speaker 1: you know, like Marvin Wilson, a guy who's tape I
Speaker 1: loved last year. His tape from this year is you know,
Speaker 1: a little shaky. What's he gonna look like at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl? Um, you know, that's something I'm really looking
Speaker 1: forward to. Carlos Basham, as Dane mentioned. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a guy who are we talking? Is that a first
Speaker 1: round tap guy or is he a guy who maybe
Speaker 1: slides and maybe he's there for you at pick forty four.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy who I'm kind of keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on. But you know, I think when you
Speaker 1: look at the linebacker position, you know, I like the
Speaker 1: names that they're going with that linebacker. I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer that you can find linebackers who can immediately step
Speaker 1: in and play for you in the third round, in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, and I think we'll see what they
Speaker 1: do with Jalen. I like the idea of moving late
Speaker 1: Vader esh to middle linebacker and leaving him there if
Speaker 1: you want to do that, and going to find a
Speaker 1: little faster. You know, I want to get the two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five, two hundred and thirty pound linebacker.
Speaker 1: The guys you can run. What Didjabrol Cox look like?
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't love his tape at LSU, But
Speaker 1: I know what he can do, and I know what
Speaker 1: kind of player he is, and I know he can
Speaker 1: run with crossing routes, and I know he can cover
Speaker 1: a little bit and things like that. Maybe that fits
Speaker 1: this scheme very well. Um So, I mean for me there,
Speaker 1: they're focused will be on defense. It has to be.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's where they are as a as a
Speaker 1: program right now. They have to so that's what's gonna
Speaker 1: be about for me. But it's always I let Dane
Speaker 1: mentioned the fun stuff is the one on ones. Let's
Speaker 1: not let's not lie to ourselves here. The fun stuff
Speaker 1: is the one on ones. It's the big Daddy's getting
Speaker 1: after it, and it's the wide receivers and cornerbacks and
Speaker 1: things like that. That's all great, And there's a couple
Speaker 1: of other things. I just wanted to jump in because
Speaker 1: I had a thought because Katie, you're talking about linebacker,
Speaker 1: and depending on what this team does roster wise, if
Speaker 1: J Smith is your middle linebacker, you guys, tell me,
Speaker 1: because I finally am caught up on all the top linebackers.
Speaker 1: You're okay with a two hundred and fifteen pound linebacker
Speaker 1: these days? Because I am you okay if I tell
Speaker 1: you that coma. Yes, Notre Dame Coromoa is an absolute monster.
Speaker 1: I love him as a linebacker. Some people might think
Speaker 1: he's a box safety. Whatever. He's just a hell of
Speaker 1: a football player that can cover, that can run, that
Speaker 1: can tackle, He can do everything. You guys, okay, now,
Speaker 1: captain trade down would be the perfect way to do this.
Speaker 1: But maybe he does go in the top ten to twelve,
Speaker 1: or maybe you can get him at fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 1: But you guys cool with rocking with that. No, I
Speaker 1: do think that if you want him, you gotta take
Speaker 1: him a ten. He's he has rare explosiveness for a
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounder, and those guys just don't last,
Speaker 1: you know. I think we're past the point where teams
Speaker 1: are going to be like always just a guy without
Speaker 1: a position. I mean, he can do so much. He
Speaker 1: was a perfect fit for that rover position that Notre
Speaker 1: Dame used where he's a linebacker on some plays, he's
Speaker 1: a safety on others, he's a nickel on others. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can do so much for you. Now he's he's
Speaker 1: so explosive, and because of that, he will fall step
Speaker 1: quite a bit, He'll be caught out a position. But
Speaker 1: you live with that, you live with the inconsistent tape
Speaker 1: because of the flexibility he gives you the playmaking range.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's that high ceiling chess piece defender.
Speaker 1: So if you want him, you gotta take him at ten.
Speaker 1: And I think he was like fourteen or fifteen on
Speaker 1: my board, which you know, but I would have no
Speaker 1: problem taking him at number ten. I think he's that
Speaker 1: good of a player. He's my linebacker one one. Hey,
Speaker 1: look at that. Agree. Okay, back to back to Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl stuff. Sorry for diverting it because the other thing
Speaker 1: that I think is worth talking about, and I'll just
Speaker 1: probably allupe this to Dane because again, best in the business.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you. One of the things that happens at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl every year is we get all these
Speaker 1: guys at Ali Marpett. We get all these guys that
Speaker 1: are from these tiny schools where they have bounce out
Speaker 1: us is in the end zone when you watch him
Speaker 1: on tape and you're like, oh, congratulations, you're out here
Speaker 1: pancaking two hundred and seventeen pound nose tackle. Way to
Speaker 1: kill it, buddy. But you get to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and suddenly the degree of difficulty changes, and when those
Speaker 1: guys continue to show out, Suddenly a guy who might
Speaker 1: have been a fourth or fifth, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's holy cow, look at that went in the second round.
Speaker 1: You can make a ton of money. Is a small
Speaker 1: school guy at the Senior Bowl. So who are some
Speaker 1: of those guys that can make a bunch of money here?
Speaker 1: I think there are two that immediately come to mind.
Speaker 1: Two offensive linemen. Spencer Brown at Northern Iowa. This guy's huge,
Speaker 1: six eight, he's a tight end, defensive lineman and eight
Speaker 1: man football in high school. Goes to Northern Iowa. They
Speaker 1: bulk him up. He moves really well, very physical demeanor.
Speaker 1: It just is he powerful enough. What he does during
Speaker 1: the week in mobile will help us kind of determine
Speaker 1: where Spencer Brown belongs. And then Grambling State David Moore.
Speaker 1: He's under six foot one, so he's not going to
Speaker 1: UH you know, the maybe on paper doesn't look that great,
Speaker 1: but he's got almost thirty four inch arms. The athleticism
Speaker 1: is really good. He carries his three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: pounds very well, flexible hips, does great in the open field,
Speaker 1: so he can pull, he can move. It's just how
Speaker 1: does he catch up to the speed of the NFL game.
Speaker 1: That's something that you want to see him against better competition.
Speaker 1: So seeing David Moore in one on ones during practice
Speaker 1: will help give scouts a better idea of that. Is
Speaker 1: he a fifth rounder or a third rounder. That's something
Speaker 1: that the Senior Bowl will tell us And just kind
Speaker 1: of piggybacking on that, just the overarching thought from the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl how important it is this year with no
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, with not knowing what's the rest of the
Speaker 1: draft process combo for us? Oh sorry, yeah, no combine.
Speaker 1: You know, everything's gonna be virtual, you know, the one
Speaker 1: on one the FaceTime, now, the actual FaceTime, not the
Speaker 1: you know Apple software. Uh, you know, having that actual
Speaker 1: one on one FaceTime in person is so valuable. And
Speaker 1: the guys at the Senior Bowl are going to have
Speaker 1: that opportunity where all these juniors, the seniors that didn't
Speaker 1: make the cut for the Senior Bowl, or maybe the
Speaker 1: seniors that had an invite but decided not to accept.
Speaker 1: They're not going to get that. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you never know. That could be the
Speaker 1: difference between this year, especially when we don't have a combine.
Speaker 1: That could be the difference between where are these guys
Speaker 1: stack up on team's draft boards. That's kind of where
Speaker 1: I'm looking at for guys on the defensive line, and
Speaker 1: of course the Cowboys took a defensive tackle for the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl last year at Neville, gaalbum warm, But I
Speaker 1: also like Washington's Levi. Okay, Dan, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: help me with this one. This one of the ones
Speaker 1: I haven't found a pronunciation for. You own Zurika owns Zerik.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot on tape, but it's twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen tape and he opted out. But now he gets
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the Senior Bowl. And we
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned him in passing on Tuesday, But what
Speaker 1: do you think about what he could bring to the table.
Speaker 1: And then also Marvin Wilson out of Florida, Stay Malik
Speaker 1: carrying out of Georgia. There's a really good defensive linemen
Speaker 1: in this class, especially in the interior. I also like
Speaker 1: some of the edge rushers as well. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we beat up this defensive tackle class maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit too much because we didn't have that top guy.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, maybe Christian Barmore ends up going top twenty.
Speaker 1: But you know, overall, it's not the strongest defensive tackle
Speaker 1: class in terms of first round players. But there's some
Speaker 1: quality guys on Day two, and I think owns aweek
Speaker 1: An Zerique he's right there. I mean, by the time
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, if he plays up to
Speaker 1: his ability at the Senior Bowl, I think he could
Speaker 1: push for first round status because he's so violent, he's
Speaker 1: so quick. You know, he played nose tackle and Washington's
Speaker 1: three four, so you know, he was constantly lined up
Speaker 1: over the center, face up face a lot of doubles.
Speaker 1: You know, the stat sheet doesn't look great, but when
Speaker 1: you watch the film, you just see a guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't quit. I mean, he just he fires off the
Speaker 1: snap consistently, make makes plays away from h you know,
Speaker 1: his because he's so rangy as a player. I mean
Speaker 1: just calling him active just doesn't do him justice. But
Speaker 1: that is also kind of where his weaknesses are because
Speaker 1: he plays so hard that he'll play he'll play tall
Speaker 1: pad level. He plays a little scattered that it allows
Speaker 1: him to be redirected by blockers. But if you're looking
Speaker 1: for a guy who's a twitchy, big man, he's got
Speaker 1: the violent hands, plays quick owns Erique, He's that prototypical
Speaker 1: kind of three technique and I think that could be he.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked at all if we're talking after
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl we're talking about owns Urique as one
Speaker 1: of those risers. I like it a lot. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I was just looking up Spencer Brown. I
Speaker 1: haven't watched him on tape at all, But if you're
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and you're in Mobile, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna miss this guy because he's gonna be wearing one
Speaker 1: of the Grambling State helmet And two he's six foot
Speaker 1: nine twenty pounds, or at least that's what they have
Speaker 1: him listed at. I don't know if you can give
Speaker 1: or take a couple inches there, but I mean that's
Speaker 1: a massive human being as an offensive tackle. But yeah,
Speaker 1: plenty of prospects to look at on the Senior Bowl
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Speaker 1: twenty would you trade Amari Cooper? And I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup in here as well, just for the funzies
Speaker 1: of it. But Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup for a late
Speaker 1: first round, early second round and maybe try and draft
Speaker 1: a quality defensive tackle or free safety. We talked a
Speaker 1: lot about those two positions today. He says it opens
Speaker 1: up the options to draft Kyle Pitts at ten or
Speaker 1: even another wide receiver early and save the cap space
Speaker 1: for guys that are coming up on big contracts. Jeff,
Speaker 1: what do you say? I think we've gone way too
Speaker 1: far with the Amari Cooper thing. It's weird how his
Speaker 1: career path has kind of swung back and forth. Like
Speaker 1: when they first traded for him. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: we got to keep in mind that Oakland did let
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper go for a reason, right, So like that happened.
Speaker 1: But after last year and watching the year that he
Speaker 1: just had with the offensive line and the rotation of quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is really important to this team. And I
Speaker 1: just hope people realize that Amari Cooper's your real life
Speaker 1: number one receiver. If Amari Cooper wasn't on this team,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup's life gets really, really hard. Michael Gallup's not
Speaker 1: the player that you're seeing him be if Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: is not on this team. So look, in a world
Speaker 1: where somebody's going to give you a one or an
Speaker 1: early two for Michael Gallup when he's got one year
Speaker 1: left on his deal, sure you do that, But Mariy Cooper,
Speaker 1: I would stop thinking about trying to trade him. He's
Speaker 1: incredibly important to your team. It's criminal that he was
Speaker 1: not second team wide receiver and Cole Beasley was well,
Speaker 1: Colbasley was the starting slot on Peter King's ball Pro team. Well,
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper plays some slots sometimes. Us here's the path,
Speaker 1: quite frankly, here's the path to getting Kyle Pitts. If
Speaker 1: you want him, you take him at ten. Like that's
Speaker 1: the path, right, there, No, we have to maneuver for
Speaker 1: everyone else. You're gonna have Cooper, Gallop and Ceee Lamb
Speaker 1: with Kyl Pits. That's your team if you do it.
Speaker 1: But I you know, I'm not saying it's what I
Speaker 1: would do. Um, but I'm telling you that's what that's
Speaker 1: what you do. You just sit there, you take him
Speaker 1: at ten. You have to worry about trading to anybody.
Speaker 1: And I understand the question what loaded up at defense
Speaker 1: tackle later the Jeff, you're keeping your guys, you're adding
Speaker 1: kal Pits to that mix. Yeah, well, I think what
Speaker 1: Jeff said. If you have someone calls and offers you
Speaker 1: in early two for Gallup, yeah you do that. I
Speaker 1: mean that, that's pretty Yeah, that's pretty easy. Nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: do that. They would rather just pick Rashad Bateman or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're gonna pick up four year cheap player at the
Speaker 1: top of two and they're not trading for Gallup. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That that's it's unrealistic to think that you can probably
Speaker 1: get that for him. Uh you know, not that Gallup's
Speaker 1: not a good player, it's just when you factor in
Speaker 1: the depth of this wide receiver class, and in fact,
Speaker 1: he has one year left on his rookie deal. That
Speaker 1: that's that those are, that's the context of the situation.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just you know, you're not going to
Speaker 1: give away Gallup. I mean, he's gonna be on this
Speaker 1: team next year. It might be his last year in Dallas.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think you can completely rule
Speaker 1: out Kyle Pitts at ten, but yeah, it's still probably
Speaker 1: a long shot. So I completely agree with all of you.
Speaker 1: Don't trade Amari Cooper. I don't know what you would
Speaker 1: even be able to get for Michael Gallup. The teams
Speaker 1: are aware that he's on the final year of his
Speaker 1: deal as well. I mean, they're not just going to
Speaker 1: give up premium draft picks in order to get to
Speaker 1: that point. But I wanted to throw that in there
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have even remotely thought about the Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper trade. Gallup would be the only one. But it
Speaker 1: depends on what you just at just quickly, Kyle, could
Speaker 1: I throw this in here, like in a real crazy world,
Speaker 1: because Pitts, you wouldn't have to make any moves because
Speaker 1: he would be playing tight end, like he would line
Speaker 1: up wide some or whatever. But you know, if you
Speaker 1: had an absurd scenario where the Cowboys drafted Jamaar Chase
Speaker 1: or Davante Smith or Jalen Waddle at number ten even
Speaker 1: though you already have your three wide receivers and you
Speaker 1: wanted to trade Gallup. To me, the scenario is you're
Speaker 1: finding teams that are like you. You're looking around for
Speaker 1: a team that has a safety or a DTEC or
Speaker 1: a whatever that's on the last year of his deal
Speaker 1: that's not going to sign him, and you're trading player
Speaker 1: for player with Gallup. You're not doing the draft pick thing. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I would agree with that completely. But moving on with
Speaker 1: an X question, Randall Walker comes out and he says,
Speaker 1: I feel like Joseph Osai out of Texas is not
Speaker 1: being talked about enough as a top talent anyway that
Speaker 1: he falls to the second round Dallas pick or would
Speaker 1: they have to move back up to get him. Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler oh side is really interesting because he's not like, uh,
Speaker 1: he's not an explosive player like that. He wins more
Speaker 1: with motor than he does explosion. And that's okay. I
Speaker 1: mean this is this is a guy who his foot
Speaker 1: is always on the gas. Uh, that first step quickness
Speaker 1: and his ability to just never quit. That leads to
Speaker 1: production that that's that's great. You want a guy with
Speaker 1: that play personality. Uh, he might be the most impressive
Speaker 1: pursuit player that I've scattered up to this point. Um,
Speaker 1: I do think I didn't love him as much as
Speaker 1: maybe I thought just watching him, you know, seeing Texas
Speaker 1: play this year on TV. But I studied the tape.
Speaker 1: Lacks a lot of variety and how he attacks the pocket. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he just needs to learn how to harness
Speaker 1: all that energy to be more efficient eliminate those wasted steps. Us.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit inconsistent as a low run defender,
Speaker 1: so I like Osai a lot. I think he's in
Speaker 1: a late one, early two conversation, So I don't think
Speaker 1: he lasts as far as what forty where they're picking
Speaker 1: forty four, I don't. I don't think he lasts quite
Speaker 1: that far. But I do think he's probably closer to
Speaker 1: forty four than ten. I have written down on my
Speaker 1: notes recognition skills need improvement, because there are just some
Speaker 1: times where he's falling for fakes and things like that.
Speaker 1: And another thing I would say hurt his left shoulder
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. So we're gonna just
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that old shoulder from Joseph Asi
Speaker 1: hard guy. I mean, the effort is incredible when you
Speaker 1: watch it, but I have my questions about him being
Speaker 1: a you know, top forty pick even so. I mean
Speaker 1: I like the tape. I enjoy the player. It's just
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe he falls to you at forty four.
Speaker 1: He's an option. I need to know more about this
Speaker 1: shoulder though. That's concerning to me. Now that's a good
Speaker 1: point because I think whenever you look at Texas tape,
Speaker 1: he sticks out. I mean, he's the guy that's making
Speaker 1: plays defensively, and he's the guy who, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's the hustle, it's the motor, it's the leadership. You
Speaker 1: see all of that whenever he was playing on that
Speaker 1: Longhorn defense. And I think that's something that you got
Speaker 1: to put in there, is that injury history and then
Speaker 1: also the fact that there are some inconsistencies with this tape,
Speaker 1: but it's something that might potentially be coached out in
Speaker 1: the future. Okay, Daniel Roberts asked, because he asked this
Speaker 1: on Twitter a couple of times the other day. As well,
Speaker 1: but he said, I feel like they jumped the gun
Speaker 1: on the NFL combine. He thinks that the combine would
Speaker 1: be a perfect section situation for a bubble, kind of
Speaker 1: like the NBA. He wanted a combine bubble. And he's asking,
Speaker 1: how can they do the Senior Bowl in no combine?
Speaker 1: So kind of shifting this question around Dane, why would
Speaker 1: the NFL prioritize not having the combine and in order
Speaker 1: to keep these players in these coaches safe. Well, we're
Speaker 1: talking about a lot fewer players at at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: like a third fewer, so right there, that's we're talking
Speaker 1: about a lot of guys. Also, you know, like NFL teams,
Speaker 1: I think they're only allocated maybe ten per per team
Speaker 1: in terms of scouting personnel. So I mean, this year's
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is not going to be like just any
Speaker 1: old Senior Bowl. It's gonna be very very different how
Speaker 1: they're doing it, and we're talking about a lot less
Speaker 1: people than the combine. The combine is. You know, when
Speaker 1: you when you include all the NFL personnel, you include
Speaker 1: all the players, you include all the media that goes
Speaker 1: to the combine you're talking about. I don't know twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred three thousand people alone, just just just that
Speaker 1: those groups. So it's just the sheer numbers are tough. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't figure it out. I thought they
Speaker 1: would would have been able to figure out a bubble.
Speaker 1: But you know, you also have to have Indianapolis play ball.
Speaker 1: M It's not just the NFL wants it to happen.
Speaker 1: It'll happen. You have to have you know, the stadium,
Speaker 1: the convention Center, all these different moving parts be on board.
Speaker 1: And so it's just became too much, and they decided
Speaker 1: for this year. And I don't think the Combine's going
Speaker 1: away full time because there's there's so much that it's
Speaker 1: the second biggest event on the entire NFL calendar. So
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going away for good. There's too
Speaker 1: much that happens there. It's just it's it's just a
Speaker 1: bummer that we won't have it this year. This will
Speaker 1: be my first time since gosh, I don't know, oh
Speaker 1: eight that I won't be at the Combine. So it's
Speaker 1: just not having that February trip to Indianapolis is going
Speaker 1: to be weird. It's gonna be really weird. I think overall.
Speaker 1: I mean even last year the combine kind of felt
Speaker 1: like the last big event prior to COVID really taking over.
Speaker 1: I remember sitting in the hotel room looking at a
Speaker 1: TV screen talking about coronavirus. I was like, what is that?
Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was crazy? What the kind
Speaker 1: of timing that went down with it? Now, this one's
Speaker 1: for Kat and this is from Red on Twitter. He say,
Speaker 1: can we get a breakdown on a Lee McNeil defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from INCA State? He said, Hayes disappointed that he
Speaker 1: didn't come up in the defensive conversation on Tuesday. Jeff,
Speaker 1: did you say you hated him? Oh? No, I said,
Speaker 1: Dane hates him. He did my top one hundred him
Speaker 1: his DT eight. I've got him as DT like three
Speaker 1: or four. Wow, he is my as I pull up
Speaker 1: my thing, here went two three four yeah, DT four. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think he's awesome. And if he if he truly
Speaker 1: played at three thirty five last year, no one, no
Speaker 1: one moved like three thirty five. You would think this
Speaker 1: guy's a lumbering guy. This guy's explosive. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: played nos primarily at NC State. But the getoff is there.
Speaker 1: The quickness for his size is there. He was double
Speaker 1: teamed all the time at NC State, but you know
Speaker 1: when he didn't get the chance to rush the password
Speaker 1: is a one on one situation, you'd see him walk
Speaker 1: through the center back. Um. You know, I think to me,
Speaker 1: he also played outside. What's interesting about him? So he
Speaker 1: ran a four two seven short shuttle in the past,
Speaker 1: which technically would be faster than both Bradley Chubb and
Speaker 1: Montes Sweat, just to get an idea of his quickness,
Speaker 1: Like that is a dude who can move. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to see him playing with better technique that
Speaker 1: that's a big problem with him. But the speed, the agility,
Speaker 1: and then the power that he plays with, it's all there.
Speaker 1: I really loved his tape and I've got a second
Speaker 1: round grade on him. What don't you like about him, Dane? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't see the most rangey player. And
Speaker 1: you know part of it. They played him as a
Speaker 1: nose tackle head up over the center. Um, primarily in
Speaker 1: that that odd front that they run. Um, he was
Speaker 1: part of a big rotation. I think that helped him
Speaker 1: stay fresh. I think I like him. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's he's heavy, handed Uh. He's got that thickness
Speaker 1: to him. Uh, you know, the thick thighs, the thick
Speaker 1: torso big bubble. Uh. Plays close to the ground. Uh.
Speaker 1: That allows him to help, you know, eat up blockers,
Speaker 1: win gaps. Uh. Reminded me of Javon Hargrief type, that
Speaker 1: type of defensive tackle. So no, I'm a fan, and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I do have him a little bit
Speaker 1: too low because I do like him. I do think
Speaker 1: he's a solid player. I just in terms of impact potential,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of influencing the backfield and things
Speaker 1: like that. I asked him a little bit of questions there,
Speaker 1: but I do think he's a solid player. I like
Speaker 1: him up there. I have him as as DT three
Speaker 1: as well. I'm right there in that three to four range.
Speaker 1: Him and Marvin Wilson kind of go back and forth
Speaker 1: to me a little bit, but I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: what Wilson does at the Senior Bowl. Plenty more to
Speaker 1: come here from these four guys on the Draft Show
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