1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikate F Daily with 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: You know, folks, I am excited for my conversation today 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: with our friend and in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: because he brought to my attention something that normally, in 6 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: normal times, whatever those are, anymore, we would have seen 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: a lot more pageantry, a lot more discussion, a lot 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: more headlines on newspapers. That it has been, folks, four 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: years since the Parkland shooting, four years since thirteen teenagers 10 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: or belief, fourteen teenagers and three teacher and staff. We're 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: gunned down in Parkland, normal day, normal afternoon, Valentine's Day, 12 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: and it would end in murder. Following the massacre at Parkland, 13 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: the young students who America's cowardice and the cowardice by 14 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: our elected officials to keep them safe, to basically want 15 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: to use the nation's children right as a political football. 16 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: We're so great when we talk about the children being 17 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: our future, and we talk about the planet, and we 18 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: talk about their health and wellness. We allow the radical 19 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: right to use children and have made themselves into the 20 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Party of quote unquote family values, when in fact, they 21 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: only really give a shit about kids when they are 22 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: existing inside of a woman's uterus and are still a 23 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: collection of savills. But when those cells turn into a fetus, 24 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: which then turns into a baby and actually finds itself 25 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: breathing real air, they could give a shit. Well, I'll 26 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: be honest with you, Democrats aren't really that much better. 27 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: The ones that smile to your face, that want to 28 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: hug you and tell you that they hear your hardship, 29 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: and they hear your sadness, and we're gonna keep fighting, 30 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: is the constant refrain. Well, you wouldn't have to keep 31 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: fighting if you actually did shit right, if you actually 32 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: put a stake in the ground, if you weren't so 33 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: goddamn afraid of your own electorate, of your own base, 34 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: or just reactionary to what you think that Republicans would do, 35 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: if you took a stance that said, you know, what's 36 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: more important than you having an arsenal of guns, Oh, 37 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, making sure that all of the children 38 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: in our nation can go to school and not have 39 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: to do a series of active active shooter fucking drills, 40 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: and that maybe we could go back to a time 41 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: when the only drills that kids were going to be 42 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: doing would be fire drills or earthquake drills, drills about 43 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: natural disasters, right, or things that could possibly happen. Because 44 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, folks, when I was growing up, and 45 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: when many of you were growing up, the idea of 46 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: somebody coming in and gunning down classrooms of children would 47 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: have been akin to life on Mars. Right. That was 48 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: back during a time when people saw Pluto as a planet. 49 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: But now we have allowed our children to become accustomed, 50 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: accustom to active shooter drills, accustom to hiding under their 51 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: desks and barricading themselves into classrooms because our elected officials 52 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: have no fucking spine and refuse to stand up to 53 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: the NRA. So instead we have young people stand up 54 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: to shooters and lose their lives. We have young people 55 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: that we are coining as heroes when they shouldn't have 56 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: to be, because the heroes should be the adults in 57 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: the room that make sure that they are fucking safe 58 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: to begin with. But that's not who America is, you know. 59 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: We love to talk about being the home of the 60 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: brave and the courage of Americans. Your cowards were cowards 61 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: being led by cowards, Because how four years following that 62 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: horrific shooting, following the collective action of young people uniting 63 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: form March for Our Lives, bringing in those young people 64 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: who the news never covers, black and brown children that 65 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: are living in communities that are filled with gun violence, 66 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: they don't get the same attention as those who lives 67 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: are taken in a mass shooting at a school. And 68 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: so it was the forethought of those young organizers that say, 69 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: if we're going to do something about our nation's addiction 70 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: to guns, then we need to bring everyone to the 71 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: table together, and we're going to put a microphone in 72 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: front of them so that they can share with the 73 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: world the expectations that adults place on young children going 74 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: to school each and every day. You know, four years 75 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: in the current pandemic wormhole of time that we are 76 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: living in, feels like Parkland happened ten years ago. And 77 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: the sad thing is is that, aside from the heroic 78 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: efforts of those young people, nothing has changed. You know, 79 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: I remember when David Hog posted the video of then 80 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: just crazy citizen Marjorie Taylor Green, who was running down 81 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: and threatening a fucking child that had the courage in 82 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: the midst of dealing with his own trauma to go 83 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: to fucking Capitol Hill to point fingers at elected officials 84 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: and say, what the fuck are you doing to keep 85 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: me and my fellow students across this country's safe? Marjorie 86 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Taylor Green than a crazy citizen ran down David Hoge, 87 00:06:52,960 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: threatening him, and now that woman sits in Congress. That's 88 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: what we have done. We haven't protected kids, we haven't 89 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: even protected progress. Instead, we've elected those that were once 90 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: considered fringe, fucking crazies, believing that the Parkland victims were 91 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: somehow crisis actors are now sitting as distinguished members of Congress. 92 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: If that doesn't show you how far down into the 93 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: fucking gutter America and American politics have gone, then I 94 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: don't know what will you know. After every mass shooting 95 00:07:52,680 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: since Columbine, I have asked myself, when is enough going 96 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: to be enough? America is the only fucking developed nation 97 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: in the West that has this level of regular gun violence. 98 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 1: School shootings are just the norm. Mass shootings are just commonplace. 99 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: It is amazing to me that people even still want 100 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: to visit the United States as tourists, because it should 101 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: be on everybody's fucking watch list. Where a breeding ground 102 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: for white supremacy, a breeding ground for gun violence, a 103 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: breeding ground for crime, and yet people still want to 104 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: come here. It's shocking, but that's what capitalism does, and 105 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: that's at the core of why we won't ever have 106 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: gun reform. There's no fucking will. There's no will on 107 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: either side right because guess what gun lobbyists, bullet lobbyists, 108 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: they pay a lot of fucking money, and what matters 109 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: to politicians is money, right, And then those that are 110 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: not bought and sold like two bit hooors by the 111 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: NRA are too chicken shit to actually stand up and 112 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: the potential of a loss to actually stand with some 113 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: conviction for something that you know matters. You know what 114 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 1: I realize these days, folks, you know, as we you know, 115 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: think about slain leaders, thought leaders that have tried to 116 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: usher in better and brighter days in this country. You know, 117 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: I think about how little courage our elected officials these 118 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: days have that they actually would fold for anything, let 119 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: alone stand for anything. You throw them the right amount 120 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: of money, the right car, give them the right insider 121 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: trading tip. They could give a shit about policy or 122 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,239 Speaker 1: about keeping Americans safe. There may still be a handful 123 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: that actually believe that, but they're not the ones that 124 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: are in power. They're not the ones that are pulling 125 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: the levels of power. So it's hard right to look 126 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: at this week to think that four years ago, the 127 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: world once again had their eyes on yet another American 128 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: school that would have blood in its hallways, and once 129 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: again the world would watch as America would do absolutely 130 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: fucking nothing. It's astounding, truly, you know, I've been wondering, 131 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: And you know, because when you get to a certain age, 132 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: unless you have kids, you know, you don't really get 133 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: to talk to young people in the way that you would, right, 134 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: and often, you know, I think to myself, I do 135 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: I want to talk to a twelve year old, a 136 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: thirteen year old, a sixteen year old, an eighteen year 137 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: old these days and get their perspective on what they 138 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: think about the world that they are living in, the 139 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: one that we keep saying that we're going to be 140 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: passing on to them. I can't imagine right what their 141 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: thoughts must be of the absolute shit sandwich that they 142 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:05,479 Speaker 1: are inheriting, right, A world, a globe that is riddled 143 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: with pollution so deep, so traumatic, that on one day 144 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: we have sixty degree weather in New York and literally 145 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: the next day three inches of snowfall, and we just 146 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: all collectively shrug it off and say, oh, well, that's 147 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: the norm. Much in the same way that you know, 148 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: another headline of kids gunned down in their classroom, well, 149 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,479 Speaker 1: you know, if it was, if it didn't hit double digits, guarantee, 150 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: it'll be out of the news cycle within a week. 151 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: We're sick. America is sick, and the cause of the 152 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: cause of our disease and our demise are so many, 153 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: are so many. You know, I look at America these 154 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: days as like as like a real ill patient, right, 155 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: that seems terminal, right, because you look at all of 156 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: these different issues and imagine them as different abnormal cells 157 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: collecting like cancers in the body. You know, Let's say 158 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: that climate change is taken over the lungs, so there 159 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: is a lung cancer. And then you have racism and 160 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: white supremacy and that has taken over the mind, so 161 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: there is your brain cancer. And then you have gun 162 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: violence and abuse, and let's say that that is taken 163 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: over the heart, and there is heart disease. You look 164 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: at all of these abnormal cells that have been able 165 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: to group and fester because we don't look at the 166 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: body as a whole. We keep trying to target, and 167 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: yet the problems keep spreading, and eventually we just say, well, 168 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do. Let's send our thoughts and prayers. Right, 169 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Let's call in the minister to pray over the body 170 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: of America because what once was treatable, has been ignored 171 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: for so long, has now metastasized and there is no 172 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: hope except for that of a miracle. So are we 173 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: praying for a peaceful demise or are we praying for 174 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: a miracle, because that's essentially the two choices that I 175 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: see that we have right now. There is no peaceful demise. 176 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: These motherfuckers want to go out literally with guns blazing. Folks. 177 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: You know that when it is Wednesday, our in house 178 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: doctor is taking calls and that is our friend, doctor 179 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. Jonathan. So we have another significant anniversary that 180 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: has just passed, and it is shocking to believe that 181 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: it has been four years since the shooting at Parkland 182 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: High School and the shooting that took seventeen lives, the 183 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: shooting that far right wingers said didn't happen, and that 184 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: those young people who were propelled into activism were crisis actors. 185 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: There has been so much that has happened since the 186 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: four years of Parkland, which all like to me at 187 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: least it happened ten years ago. Like I you know, 188 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: we all know and feel that in this time of 189 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: COVID that it feels like we're living in type inside 190 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: of some type of time warp wormhole. Tell us your 191 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: feelings about where things are in terms of gun control, 192 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: what conversations we have had, and how much or little 193 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: progress has been made since seventeen lives were taken that 194 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: afternoon at Parkland. I mean, you're absolutely right that it 195 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: feels like ninety five lifetimes ago, but certainly not for 196 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I was reading the text, you know, the 197 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: tweets yesterday from Fred Guttenberg who lost a daughter and 198 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, other other parents yesterday, and for them it's yesterday, 199 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: and so part of the story is just I mean, 200 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of has happened in the world since then, 201 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: but this kind of ongoing trauma and and and really 202 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: Parkland was a moment where there was a shooting at 203 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: at the you know, Marjorie Stone Stoneman Douglas. Douglas High 204 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: School in Parkland, m Fourteen students were killed, three staff 205 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: were killed. UM, and there was a moment where, you know, 206 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: it was almost like a Sandy Hook kind of moment 207 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: where people were like, enough is enough. And so for 208 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: a minute there it felt like things were on the 209 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: right track. UM floored up past a law raising the 210 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: age at which people could carry some bi automatic rifles, 211 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: for example. UM, there was a push toward activism, people 212 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: like David Hogan other people who survived the shooting created 213 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: national movements UM. And then the twenty eighteen midterms after 214 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: that were a kind of a victory for gun reform, 215 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: people like Lucy macbeth and in Georgia and other people, 216 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: and so it seemed like things were really ascendant. And 217 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: then obviously many different things happened. The pandemic obviously changed 218 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: the whole calculus about guns. People rushed out to need 219 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: guns breakdown and in trust guns were designated at guns 220 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: doors as essential businesses. So certainly part of this is 221 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: that the pandemic really upended the gun control movement in 222 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: a particular way. But there was a lot of promise 223 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: when when Biden was elected and the idea that when 224 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: Biden was elected is here's finally somebody who's a champion 225 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: in the White House. And I think there's a lot 226 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: of frustration now. I mean, it does feel like the 227 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: gun control side, just to be frank, is getting its 228 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: ass kicked it. It's losing at every level. It's losing 229 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: in this in court. Biden has not been able to 230 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: deliver on any of his promises. Now, I think Biden 231 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: wants to be able to deliver on some of those promises. 232 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: But the issue is, it's just guns are incredibly polarizing issue. 233 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: There are a lot of Democrats who feel like if 234 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: they take a stand on gun control, they'll they won't 235 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: get elected re elected. The main issue, two main issues 236 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: are that that just the we did not appoint anywhere 237 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: near enough judges, and so when the judiciary is very 238 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: strongly for the NRA and gun rights, you're just not 239 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: going to get a lot done. Jeremandering has impacted the 240 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: Democrats ability to do anything. And I think an important thing, 241 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: just to be honest, is that you know, I mean, 242 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: I understand there's a lot going on in the world, 243 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: but Democrats kind of show up on this issue in 244 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: spurts so they'll they'll show up after a mass shooting, 245 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: they'll march, There'll be a march for our lives. But 246 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: then they kind of go back to their lives. And 247 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: so without sustained pressure, it just opened the door for 248 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, even in Florida right now that the tide 249 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: is so bad that the NRA is probably going to 250 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: be able to overturn the law they passed after Parkland. 251 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: And so in a way, the tide is so bad, 252 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: and part of it is about just what happened in 253 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: the world, but part of it is unlike the right 254 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: when you know, abortion, they just showed up NonStop for 255 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 1: thirty years, and they had a plan, and they had 256 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: a plan to have judges guns is just one of 257 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: many democratic issues. I understand that, but Democrats kind of 258 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: show up in spurts, and when that happens, you just 259 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: don't have the sustained pressure. And so all the gains 260 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen after the shooting have really been overturned 261 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: and things have gone backward. And so it's really a 262 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: inflection moment right now that I think, really we're gonna 263 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: have to come to terms with you know, I do 264 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: want to take the time machine back to four years ago. 265 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: And I do want to talk about the March for 266 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: Our Lives, which I was present at, and you know, 267 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: I can remember that in that moment, right as we're 268 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: watching these young people, it had been the first time, 269 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, and tell me if I'm wrong, that 270 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: we had actually heard from young people right ranging an 271 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: age and and and the beautiful thing about the March 272 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: for Our Lives. And I don't want to discredit its 273 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: impact because we haven't seen UM legislation, because that is 274 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: the cowardice of our elected officials. That has nothing to 275 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: do with the activism of these young people who, in 276 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: the midst of dealing with their own trauma UM figured 277 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: out a way to draw attention to what we're sending 278 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: them into certain death in a lot of places. And 279 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: I thought that the beauty of that march, of that 280 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: march was that it wasn't just victims of you know, 281 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: mass shootings that had grabbed the headlines, but that it 282 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: was you know, young people that live in various areas 283 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: that have been you know, UM that gun violence had 284 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: been a part of their everyday life. And so you know, 285 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: it's like I thought it was beautiful for those all 286 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: of those kids, you know, some as young as as eleven, 287 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: you know, ten eleven years old, Um, standing up in 288 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: front of the world and saying, what are you doing? Right? 289 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: How can you say that you care about kids and 290 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: you care about our lives and our futures, and you're 291 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: marching us into you know, to be sitting ducks because 292 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: that's what happens, right. And then you have you know, 293 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: the the Florida politicians of the world who turn around 294 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, we just need to arm teachers, right, 295 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: and I think that there's a fit and start, and 296 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: you use the right language, they are fit and start 297 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: as it pertains to Democrats and gun rights, because they're cowards. 298 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to I just want to 299 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: call things as they are these days, which is that 300 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: there isn't there isn't a right time to do the 301 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: right fucking thing. You just need to have the courage 302 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: to do so, and Democrats don't. And so whenever, you know, 303 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: we can talk until we're blue in the face about 304 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: how about the dedication you know that Republicans have in 305 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: order to roll back right, in order to roll back 306 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: gun safety, in order to roll back abortion, in order 307 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: to roll back you know, desegregation, Like you know, they 308 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: have their eye on the prize and the discipline to 309 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: do that and the courage to not give a damn 310 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: right because they are only beholden to their base. And 311 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: we know who these bases. Hillary Clinton told us, you know, 312 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: the bunch of deplorables. And so you know, when I 313 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: look at this and I think about those kids, and 314 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: I think about many there were there were several I 315 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: remember that took their own lives after Parkland, So they 316 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: survived a mass shooting too, then later be taken by 317 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: the trauma of it. Yeah, and I think, Jonathan that 318 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: that's something that we don't talk about. Again. We're focused 319 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: on the headline and what is grabbing attention at that time, 320 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: But we don't follow these young people. Those you know, 321 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: even at the time of Sandy Hook they were in 322 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: kindergarten in first grade when their classmates we were were 323 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: gunned down, Right, do we follow them? You know, five ten, seven, 324 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: You're like, do we follow them later on to see 325 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: how they have developed? Right? You look at Parkland and 326 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: those some of those kids were on the verge of 327 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: going to college, right, and then took their own lives 328 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: because of the trauma. You know, do you think that 329 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: we missed the market. I'm not again, I'm not talking 330 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: about the politicians here. I'm talking about us and our 331 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: sustained empathy around the situations that we are putting children 332 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: in because of the lack of courage. Well, it's funny. 333 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: If guns aren't a factor in your lives, then you 334 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: only hear about guns after shootings. But if guns are 335 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: affects in your lives, then you care about guns all 336 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: the time. And so there's an parent divide in the 337 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: quote unquote gun debate anyway that really people are not 338 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's you know, it's it's an issue 339 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: for Democrats. They only think about guns after shootings, which 340 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: has a kind of natural course of shock, outraged, trauma, horror, reckoning, activism, 341 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: and then indifference. Right, I mean, it's not it's not 342 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: like you don't care. But but if you contrast that, 343 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm here in Tennessee, right and the n 344 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: ray has literally taken over the entire state, Like all 345 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: this stuff about bankruptcy, it doesn't matter. They're like they're 346 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: like phase three of the matrix already right now, Like 347 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: they're already in people's cells in a way, because they 348 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: control the judiciary, but they control common sense, right, They 349 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: control this idea that you need a gun everywhere you 350 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: go and things like that and so and so. And 351 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: part of the issue is they started with a plan 352 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: in the eighties, which would you know base Basically mid 353 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties is really when this new wave of the 354 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: NRA started. And part of that was about money from 355 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: the n RA and lobbying, but part of it was 356 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: just like, which is hard to do, very focused, single 357 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: issue anybody who didn't vote their way was going to 358 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: get kneecapped and voted out of office. And it happened 359 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot developed a core group of just NonStop voters 360 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: who will show up for gun rights no matter what. 361 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: Very easily mobilized. They're manipulated by you know, white racial resentment, 362 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: as I talk about in my book, but in a 363 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: way they could. They kind of created and mobilized this 364 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: army of single or double issue voters in a way, 365 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: and those guys just show up all the time no 366 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: matter what. So the point is that, I mean, certainly 367 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: the NRA is evil. I've seen firsthand how evil they 368 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: are down here. But part of the issue is and 369 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: just an army of single issue vote, and the plan 370 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: was to start at the lowest rungs with school board 371 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: and local election and sheriff everything like that, and work 372 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: your way up. And so there was tons and tons 373 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: of local politics, tons of I mean, we just sawt 374 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: here every every step of the way, creating kind of 375 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: top to bottom. And the reason I say that is 376 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: because Democrats, you know, there's so much anger, there's so 377 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: much anxiety. People just want to survive right now. There's 378 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: like a lot of fear in the world. But I 379 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: can also say, like I did an interview the other 380 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: day for the Brady Gun Violence Group, and they're like, 381 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: what can we do to reverse this tide? And I said, 382 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: run for school board, Like start at the bottom rungs 383 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: of the political process, start getting engaged in these local 384 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: because everybody wants to like virtue signal about like this 385 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: big main thing that happened. You know, I understand Kanye 386 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: broke up today and stuff like that, but but but 387 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, but I mean like the 388 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean, even like the three percenters and the oath 389 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: promise keepers and oath keepers and all that, they're all 390 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: starting at the bottom runs and working up. And I 391 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: feel like, until we kind of recognize that that has 392 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: to be our playbook, we're going to keep losing. And 393 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: I think guns is a perfect example of that. Jonathan. 394 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Why do you think though that, I mean, Republicans show 395 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: us all the time how their playbook works, and it's 396 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: not as if they develop new plans. They just rerun 397 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: the old plays, right, Like it's you know, over and 398 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: over and over again. And so we know that they 399 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: have been turning their attention and Steve Bannon said, We're 400 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: gonna go village by village, That's what he said on 401 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: his podcast. Why do you think that Democrats then, are 402 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: always so beholden to what is happening at the federal 403 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: level as opposed to paying attention to and saying to 404 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: your point, Yeah, if we want stricter policies right that 405 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: are going to keep our kids safe, and we want 406 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: to be in charge of making those decisions, then school 407 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: board would make a lot of sense, right, Like if 408 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: the parents of the Parkland, students of Sandy Hook, you know, 409 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: ran for office, right, ran at these state and local 410 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: levels and began to infiltrate, Like why do you think 411 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: that we lack that coordinated campaign in the way that 412 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: Republicans do because it's such a low hanging fruit. Well, 413 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I think there are two answers to that, and neither 414 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: of them are very comfortable. One, of course, is that 415 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: we're a very diverse coalition and so we can't have 416 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: the kind of monolithic white anxiety platform that will leave people. 417 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: But I mean Republicans didn't always have that. They shaped 418 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: it in a way. And so if you ask people 419 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: what do Democrats stand for, you're going to get a 420 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: million different issues. I mean, women's reproductive rights right now. 421 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: Like there was an assumption people are going to be 422 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: out in the street, but some people are going to 423 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: be out on the street, and some people don't feel 424 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: affected by that issue. So it's not like there's like 425 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: these three things and that's what Democrats stand forum. And 426 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: so number one is there's just way too much. And 427 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: number two is Democrats with respect don't understand how politics 428 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: work all that well, um, And so I'll give you 429 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: an example, Like I understand there's tons of anger at 430 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, Management and Cinema for not voting for infrastructure bills, 431 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: but those two senators also voted for every single one 432 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: of Biden's judiciary picks, right, And so the Republicans, Like, 433 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm hearing all these people say, oh, we've got a 434 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: primary management and get them out in I mean, West 435 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: Virginia is the most I am one of those people. 436 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, you're definite, I understand that. But I'm saying like, like, um, 437 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's another thing they're doing, which is voting 438 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: for every single one of the judges that Biden puts 439 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: puts in. And so unless you can come up with 440 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: somebody who's going to win in West Virginia, UM, you know, 441 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a world in which attacking 442 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: people who are who are voting for your judges is 443 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: maybe not the best strategy if you're if you're gonna 444 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: um you know, if you if you don't have a 445 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: viable replacement, right, it would feel great to get those 446 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: guys out there, get out of there. But again, West 447 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: Virginia is the most Republican state in the United States. Um. 448 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: And so again, Republicans made a decision about forty years 449 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: ago that the power of this country is in the 450 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: judiciary more than anything else. They care. They don't care 451 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: about legislating, they don't care about governing, They care about judges. 452 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: And so you know, you've got two senators who are 453 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: pissing us off in every way possible, but they are 454 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: voting for our judges in a way. And so I 455 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: guess there's a moment where you think, like, man, is 456 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: there a better strategy than trying to get these guys 457 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: out of office if they won't be replaced by somebody 458 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: who is who is going to come in and vote 459 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: for judges in a way. I mean, there's a million 460 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: different examples, Ander, and I you know, and and you 461 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: make a valid point, but I would offer a counterpoint, 462 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: which is that it is the job of the DSCC, 463 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: the DNC to source out those people, to create the 464 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: pipeline of politicians so that you know, like, for instance, 465 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: what happened with the Obama coalition. You had this multicultural 466 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: coalition of people across the country that were activated for 467 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: a solid eight years and then nothing right, then no 468 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: one following in the footsteps. There were no foot soldiers, 469 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: there was no infrastructure, There was no plan to sustain 470 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 1: that kind of thinking and that power and that enthusiasm, right, 471 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: and enthusiasm dips and dips and you know, and rises. 472 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: But the reality is is that it is supposed to 473 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: be the strategic plan and the organization of those organizations 474 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: that I just meant it mentioned that are supposed to 475 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: be the ones that figure out. So if Manchin were 476 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,479 Speaker 1: to die tomorrow, right, who is going to replace him 477 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: in Virginia, in West Virginia, if you know, Cinema were 478 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: again to fall off the map, who is going to 479 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: replace her? In Arizona. We just can't assume that because 480 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: these people are there, that oh my god, there is 481 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: no one else. I find that the laziest excuse that 482 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: Democrats offer. We just have to lay back and take 483 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: what it is, because nobody wants to do the due 484 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: diligence and the decades long work that it takes to 485 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: prep the next group of people that are going to 486 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: assume power and usher cross our agendas. Yeah no, I mean, 487 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: of course, I agree. It's in line with what we 488 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: were saying, which is I mean, but again, here's another 489 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: example of us starting at the top. I mean, another 490 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: example of this is like people all of a sudden 491 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: paying attention and yelling that we should expand the Supreme 492 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Court without recognizing that like the appellate courts and the 493 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: local courts and all these kind of things. I mean 494 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: Republicans have been for decades appointing like thirty two year 495 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: old judges who their only qualification is that they're getting 496 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: a plus from the NRA and stuff like that, Like 497 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: and so we just we figure out an issue, we 498 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: just heard about it two days ago, and now we 499 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: want to expand the Supreme Court, whereas we should have 500 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: the minute Biden one had a list of judiciary appointments 501 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: for every single judge ship in the country and have 502 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: people rallying out there and protesting. In other words, like 503 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: we're just we're just starting at the top. And I 504 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: think West Virginia and Arizona is another example. I mean, 505 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: it certainly took a lot of work and effort. I 506 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, deny that at all. To 507 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: even turn just the idea that Arizona could be a 508 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: purple state is took a ton of effort. But I 509 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: would say that the next step then has to be 510 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: to create that bench. You've got to run for school board, 511 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: you know, all those other factors like create create a 512 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: world there. But again, I think it's hard with the Democrats. 513 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're seeing now in San Francisco, for example, 514 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pushback. They were going to rename 515 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of schools, and they were going to rename 516 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: like Diane Feinstein School and stuff like that. And and 517 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: there was a split between centrists and progressives in California. 518 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: Single payer help didn't even get on the ballot because 519 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: of this and stuff like that. So again, I think 520 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: the Democrats are like pulling in nine different directions. And 521 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: so I guess, you know, Danielle, the question I would 522 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: have for you about that is like, who's going to 523 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: set the agenda that we can all be behind, right, 524 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: because because again we having to pick issues that are 525 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: that that fracture our own coalition, which I think is tough. Yeah, 526 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: you know, And and I would say that I thought, 527 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, foolishly, I thought that the issue that was 528 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: going to be that was going to supersede all issues, 529 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: was going to be the securing of our democracy, right 530 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: because every all of these other issues, whether it be abortion, 531 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: gun rights, none of it matters if people can't vote, 532 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: None of it matters if we don't have free and 533 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: fair elections. Right. So to me, if I'm looking at, well, 534 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,479 Speaker 1: what's the way to secure our democracy moving forward? Well, 535 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: I am going to go to the school boards, the 536 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: city councils, the mosquito board, the fire you know, like 537 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm going, you know what I'm saying, like they have 538 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: been in Florida, I'm going, I'm going at all levels, right, 539 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: like sitting down with people who are from the most 540 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: affected communities and saying like, you have power here, and 541 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: this is what this could look like in two years, 542 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: in three years, in five, in ten, right, and figuring 543 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: out that like the game has changed. And again, they 544 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: were supposed to be smarter people than me that are 545 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be looking at you know, ten years down 546 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: the road, twenty years down the road, in thirty, and 547 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: they're not. They're literally looking at November and then they're 548 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: looking at twenty twenty four. And I'm just like there, 549 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to be in a dark period 550 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: for a long time. We are entering a new and 551 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: intellectual dark ages, right where lies and corruption and greed 552 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: just reign supreme. And so if you know that, right, 553 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: but you know that when there's darkness, eventually there comes light. 554 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: But you have to be the light conductor. Then you 555 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: have to figure out how you're going to do that. 556 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: And we just sat here for twenty minutes saying, so 557 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: you go to the local level, right, you engage the 558 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: people that have been most affected, and you say it's 559 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: now your turn to run, right for whatever that is. 560 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: But I mean think about it, like, so there were 561 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: anti mass protests, there were anti CRT protests, there were 562 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: all these school board protests. Where were the Democrats coming 563 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,959 Speaker 1: out in mass to say, here, we could support having 564 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: lots of books in our kids libraries or schools to 565 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: be able to set their own curricula, or teaching the 566 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: history of slavery might be a little important for understanding 567 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: the country, Like where is the massive pushback? Like right now, 568 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: without that local level mobilization, there's like literally no cost 569 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: for the most radical of the of the people. And 570 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: so I think that's that's part of the issue. So look, 571 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean we've got a big election coming up. We've 572 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: got a big election coming up. And again it's weird 573 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: because we've just given up the center to the radicals. 574 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: But I mean, again, we have to fix our own 575 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: house first, Like Democrats should say here are the five 576 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: things we care about, um and and stop virtue signaling 577 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: and start unifying, like seeing seeing the bigger issue. Fixing 578 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: democracy means first agreeing within our own party, and so 579 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: I think that's got to come first. But we you know, 580 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: we have like seven minutes to figure that out, and 581 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: then we got this. You know, we've got to come 582 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 1: play catch up. So, as always, doctor Jonathan Metzel, you 583 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: give us the news that we need to hear. Whether 584 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: or not you give it this spoonful of sugar this week, 585 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: probably not probably not so much, but it was the 586 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: truth nonetheless, and we appreciate you, and we will pick 587 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: this up next week. Sounds good. Take everybody, you know. 588 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: I honestly, children are supposed to be our future, right, 589 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: They're supposed to be where we place our hopes and 590 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: dreams that we were not able to actualize on our own. 591 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: So we place those on the children, to them, pass 592 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: the baton on to them. But I gotta tell you, 593 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: I don't know what we're passing on. Ineptitude, spinelessness, lack 594 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 1: of compassion, empathy. What is it that we are teaching? 595 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: Because you see, you teach kids verbally and nonverbally. You 596 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: teach them with your action and your inaction. So what 597 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: messages do we think that we are sending out to 598 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: America's youth. I'm pretty sure the message that they are 599 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 1: receiving is that they don't matter, and that nothing really matters. Right. 600 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: It's all about how you can spin it, how you 601 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: can profit from it, not about how you can change it. 602 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: And that's scary. Four years following Parkland and what do 603 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: we have to show for it To the survivors of 604 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: all forms of gun violence. I am so sorry that 605 00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: this nation continues to fail you. Coming up next my 606 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: conversation with our in house doctor and good friend, doctor 607 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. And now, dear friends, for your woke moment 608 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: of wellness. You know, when I got to thinking about 609 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: the four year anniversary of the Parkland shooting, I was 610 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: reminded not just by the tragedy of that day and 611 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: what would turn into massive conspiracy theories that would run amuck, 612 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: but what I was reminded of was that, however hopeless 613 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: right that I feel in this moment, what did bring 614 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: tears to my eyes were the young people that organized 615 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: the March for Our Lives, That, in spite of the 616 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: lack of courage from adults who are supposed to protect them, 617 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: that these young people organize such an extraordinary event, such 618 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: an extraordinary movement. I don't know what they are going 619 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: to inherit. But I do know that on that day 620 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: I had renewed faith and I still have faith that 621 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: their future will be better because they are faster, and 622 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: they are smarter, and they are a lot more nimble 623 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: than we give them credit for. So if you have 624 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: young people in your life, whether you are a caregiver, 625 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: a teacher, a mom, a dad, and aunt and uncle, 626 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: a godparent, don't let them lose hope and find your 627 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: hopefulness in seeing seeing to the fact that the spark 628 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: that is in young people's eyes doesn't fade out from 629 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: our lack of due diligence. Be the light conductors for them, 630 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: and allow them to be the light conductors for you. 631 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends, on woke 632 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: app as always Power to the people and to all 633 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: the people. Power. Get woke and stay woke as fuck.