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Speaker 1: Here for another episode of The Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: From the Giants Podcast Studio, brought to you by Hackensack

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Speaker 1: Brity Hell. Keep getting Better from the athletic host of

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Speaker 1: the Scoop City podcast, the one and only Dana Rassini.

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Speaker 2: Dana, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 3: Keep it up with all this news? It's flying left

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Speaker 3: and right on my calendar. I literally wrote.

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Speaker 4: We have like a calendar in the kitchen, like a

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Speaker 4: like we're living in nineteen eighty two. Wednesday, free, Thursday, free, Friday,

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Speaker 4: free meeting, just like I don't have to be anywhere specifically,

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Speaker 4: I can just kind of hang.

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Speaker 3: Guess what that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be on your phone. That's where

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Speaker 1: you have to be as news kind of goes fast

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Speaker 1: and furious here and that's what we have you on, Dana.

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Speaker 1: So let's start here briefly. Who are the names that

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Speaker 1: you've heard most associated with this Giants head coaching search

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Speaker 1: and this early in the process.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it has been such an interesting cycle because we

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Speaker 4: headed into this week, we'll call it this week of

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Speaker 4: a lot of firings thinking that the lead candidate out

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Speaker 4: of the gate would be maybe perhaps a Deff coordinator, right,

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Speaker 4: it would be the Jeff Hafleys of the world, Louen Rumo,

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Speaker 4: and I still think those are going to be candidates

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Speaker 4: that are going to interview with the New York Giants.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that anyone believed that Kevin Stefanski was

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Speaker 4: really going to get fired. There was definitely some grumbling,

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Speaker 4: some rumblings about it, but once that became clear, he

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Speaker 4: became a top candidate for the New York Giants. And

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Speaker 4: now with John Harbaugh out from the Baltimore Ravens, those

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Speaker 4: two are your sort of golden Gooses of this group.

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Speaker 4: They are the Ben Jhonson Mike Rabels of this cycle.

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Speaker 1: How important Diana to the Giants is maybe trying to

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Speaker 1: limit their risk profile a little bit with this hire,

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Speaker 1: given how the last couple of gone. Where you can

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Speaker 1: find someone that is actually you've seen do this job,

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Speaker 1: which is such a different job than just being a coordinator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never gotten a sense that New York was

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Speaker 4: in the market of taking some big swing on a

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Speaker 4: coach with potential. It's a good example, but a great

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Speaker 4: example of taking a swing and working out what the

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Speaker 4: Rams did with Sean McVay years ago. Right, he's an

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator in Washington for just a few years and

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Speaker 4: no one really knows him. And now he of course

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Speaker 4: has turned out to be a superstar.

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Speaker 3: But that's so rare. It's so rare.

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Speaker 4: It is so hard to find the right guy who's

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Speaker 4: never done it before, and as you know so well,

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Speaker 4: taking a first time head coaching job in this market,

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Speaker 4: and with the situation that they have right now, which

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Speaker 4: is a really good roster and a young quarterback that

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Speaker 4: needs development, still, I don't believe that they're going to

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Speaker 4: be leaning towards someone with very little experience.

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Speaker 3: This is going to a job.

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Speaker 4: This is going to a big boy who's been there before,

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Speaker 4: who knows how to navigate a facility, who understands how

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Speaker 4: to put together coaching staff, who knows how to have

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Speaker 4: accountability right out at the gate.

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Speaker 3: And accountability is the word I've been hearing when it

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Speaker 3: relates to the Giants.

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Speaker 4: And I know, I think most Giants fans think the

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Speaker 4: Tom Coughlin era and they think fondly on it, and

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Speaker 4: of course because it came with championships, but it came

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Speaker 4: with accountability. And I think that's always the space this

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Speaker 4: Giants front office wants to go back to.

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Speaker 1: I will hit some of the indieboilt candidates in a second,

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Speaker 1: but you talked about the quality of the job, of

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Speaker 1: the jobs that are available right now, and I'll push

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Speaker 1: the Ravens aside because they have Lamar Jackson, and clearly

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is there that's gonna be the number one

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Speaker 1: coaching opportunity for everybody from the rest of the jobs.

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Speaker 1: Do you consider the Giants the most attractive one of

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Speaker 1: the most attractives is that them the Falcons?

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Speaker 2: How do you kind of see those jobs lining up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been asking candidates that of like where the Giants.

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Speaker 4: there too, and you bring up the Falcons, and the

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Speaker 4: Falcons roster is fantastic, but they're.

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Speaker 3: Figuring out their quarterback situation just as much.

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Speaker 4: I think the edge that the New York Giants always have,

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Speaker 4: especially when we're especially during this time of year, it's

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Speaker 4: just how reputable ownership is and that is such a

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Speaker 4: that have the options. Anytime you talk to a coach

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Speaker 4: they will always say the same thing, which is, I

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Speaker 4: didn't understand the importance of a good owner. And yes,

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Speaker 4: it's obvious you need a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You do.

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Speaker 4: You can't win in this league without a good quarterback.

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Speaker 4: But you need that support behind the scenes and you

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Speaker 4: need them to have your back. And that is something

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Speaker 4: the Giants owner has done so well over the years

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Speaker 4: of just getting the backs of the football people. And

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Speaker 4: so I think that is probably the key factor in

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Speaker 4: what's making this such a good job. And then the

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Speaker 4: second part of it is the talent on this roster

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Speaker 4: has been pointed out to me many of times. In fact,

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Speaker 4: even during the year when I talk to teams facing

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Speaker 4: the Giants and we'd kind of talk it out, and

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Speaker 4: sometimes I'd be a little flippant about it because I

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Speaker 4: didn't think the Giants were that good. I would always

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Speaker 4: get scolded about no, no, no, they may not be well coached,

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Speaker 4: but they've got talent they're really good in and if

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Speaker 4: they can, if this happens to be the game they

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Speaker 4: find it, we're in trouble. So having someone come in

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned the quarterback my sense and my senses

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Speaker 1: last year too during the draft process. Jackson Dart is

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Speaker 1: like a coach's quarterback, just his personality, the way he plays, Diana.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he has the respect of a lot

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Speaker 1: of the coaches out there, which makes him and the

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is one thousand percent a reason why people

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Speaker 4: want to come to New York. You know, Brian Dabele

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Speaker 4: did a good job in some regard, right, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: all bad. And Dabele has a lot of connections in

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Speaker 4: football because he spends so much time. So I've actually

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Speaker 4: spoken to some coaches interested in the Giant's job who've

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Speaker 4: had conversations with Table and they've gotten rave reviews about

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Speaker 4: this Giants job, specifically about Jackson. It's like ownership in

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Speaker 4: Jackson again, or things that he had shared with them

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Speaker 4: and know, I guess you could call it private conversations,

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Speaker 4: but but but things are. You know, everyone's collecting information.

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Speaker 4: They want to know what they're walking into here because

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Speaker 4: nobody knows unless you do it. So I think the

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Speaker 4: fact that they've that they got that right and they

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Speaker 3: I think this is going to help the giants find

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Speaker 3: the right guy.

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Speaker 2: Huddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 4: middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 3: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but citizens does? It makes sense of

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Speaker 2: your money with citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: All right, for those of you that have been to

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Speaker 1: the museum in natural history, and I apologize, but I

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Speaker 1: think this is a good analogy. Go to the room

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Speaker 1: with you have the giant whale hanging from the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: give all the little exhibits, you get the giant whale.

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Speaker 1: That's John Harball. He's the giant whale and he's the

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Speaker 1: center of this whole thing now. And I guess my

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Speaker 1: question for you is how quickly do you think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna want to move here? Is he going to purposely

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Speaker 1: wait to see if maybe other jobs shake loose after

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Speaker 1: a couple of rounds of playoffs. I'm sure teams would

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Speaker 1: like to move fast with him, even though the rules

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Speaker 1: now with interviews make that difficult. With Yes, when you

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Speaker 3: You're forgetting one other factor.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there could be coaches currently in place of teams

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Speaker 4: that could get fired after this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Of games, right, so you have that.

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Speaker 4: Because then that changes the pool because then let's just

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Speaker 4: for this example, this has not been reporting, but let's

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Speaker 4: just say the Packers lose to the Bears and Matt

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Speaker 4: Lafour gets fired.

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Speaker 3: He's now in the cycle. And that's a hot name.

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Speaker 4: People love Matt Lafleur, and he is very well regarded

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Speaker 4: around football. He would have a job, and I would

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Speaker 4: think the New York Giants would call him immediately as well.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of things in play, and just

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Speaker 4: talking to people close to John Harbaugh about their timing. Look,

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Speaker 4: they were not expecting this. This Monday night, I was

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Speaker 4: being told by everybody that the vibes in Baltimore we'll

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Speaker 4: call it.

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Speaker 3: The facility was we're all coming back.

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Speaker 4: Everyone was very calm, Guard was down, Tuesday colms more

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Speaker 4: of that. It was like, okay, so much so I

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Speaker 4: we found out that Bashadi and Harbo we're gonna sit

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Speaker 4: to be like, all right, let's run it back let's

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Speaker 3: It was we're moving on. So I think his side.

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Speaker 4: Was really stunned, and so now they're getting back in this.

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Speaker 4: They haven't done this in eighteen years. The Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 4: hot candidate. So everyone's calling, and it's impossible to get

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Speaker 4: in touch with this camp right now, not because they

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Speaker 4: don't want to talk to people, they just they're so

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Speaker 4: busy dealing with everyone that's interested and teams. I can

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Speaker 4: tell you almost every single team that has an opening

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Speaker 4: the next twenty four to seventy two hours and then

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Speaker 4: even just next week.

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Speaker 3: This is all going to play out.

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Speaker 2: So buck up.

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Speaker 1: So I imagine then I'll ask this kind of broadly,

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Speaker 1: then you would I would imagine that you'd be surprised

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Speaker 1: if we have any coaching hires before the divisional playoff round.

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Speaker 2: You think we might get something next week.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think. I don't think we're going to see

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Speaker 3: a high run ntil next week.

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Speaker 4: Not because I think that the New York Giants are

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Speaker 4: waiting on Not because I think the New York Giants

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Speaker 4: are waiting on a matt lafora thing. I just think

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Speaker 4: it's the other side of it. It's the Stefanskis and

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Speaker 4: the horriball trying to sort out what they.

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Speaker 3: Want to do, and sometimes coaches need some time to

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Speaker 3: sort it out.

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Speaker 4: Right. They have got families, and Stefanski is a great example.

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Speaker 4: He's a Philly guy. You know, his wife went to Villanova.

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Speaker 4: They've got tons of connections to North Jersey, to Jersey

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Speaker 4: in general. So from what I understand, they they would

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Speaker 4: is good, right Raheem Morris his meeting with the New

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Speaker 4: York Giants. He's got New York connections himself, with his family,

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Speaker 4: He's comfortable living here. But the school situation where you're

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Speaker 1: All right, well, join my Dania Rassini a couple more

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Speaker 1: for her very quickly. As we roll through some of

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Speaker 1: these potential coaching candidates, of the coordinators Dana that have

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Speaker 1: who are the hot names you're hearing? The Jesse Mentors,

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Speaker 4: So you've got the guys out in Los Angeles with

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Speaker 3: Grant Dnski. He's down in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 4: He was in Minnesota before he took the Jacks, so

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Speaker 4: he's technically the OC, but he doesn't call plays in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: He worked under Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 4: He interviewed for the New England Patriots job last year

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Speaker 4: I'd be interested to see if Liam Collen lets him go, right,

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Speaker 1: How about the defensive guys, the events Joseph's, the Chris

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Speaker 4: Well first of all that crop, their lives were just

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Speaker 3: Like I can't tell you how many coaches want to

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Speaker 3: They everyone wants to live in Nashville. We're getting Nashville

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Speaker 4: But with that being said, the defensive coordinators that are

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Speaker 4: funny some teams don't like to put names out because

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Speaker 4: they don't want to lose their guys, right, but their

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Speaker 3: Jim Leonard is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Watch in this mix. And when I say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like the Cowboys are big game hunting

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Speaker 1: on me be disrespectful with the older group of coaches,

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Speaker 1: the Steve Spagnolo's, the Lulana Rumos, the Mike McCarthy's that

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Speaker 2: But teams might be interested. What are you hearing about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I have a great conversation with a player just about

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Speaker 3: Not specific to those guys, but the.

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Speaker 4: Older regime of coaches, is that going to be out

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Speaker 4: just a way to connect better and communicate and understand

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Speaker 3: So with that in mind, the coaches you just nemed

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Speaker 4: Accomplished, and I think almost everyone you needed is a

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Speaker 3: For example.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think a lot of owners are older themselves,

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Speaker 4: the newer generation of doing things these way. I think

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Speaker 3: I think the old school way is still is still

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's that you know much of a

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Speaker 4: and he's kind of baby sittings disrespectful to what Liam

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Speaker 4: I So I think we're gonna be moving towards that.

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Speaker 2: Dana, tell the folks when you can find all your

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Speaker 1: you by Citizen's Official Banking.

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Speaker 2: The Giants. We'll see you next time. Everybody,