WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Rhonda Hinson

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<v Speaker 2>On December twenty second, nineteen eighty one, around one to

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<v Speaker 2>one fifteen am, a driver was going down a dark

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<v Speaker 2>road Mineral Springs Mountain Road near the town of Valdez,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. It was a dark, snowy night and there

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<v Speaker 2>was fresh snow on the ground from the night before.

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<v Speaker 2>The driver saw beige dots in two ten parked on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the road. They slowed down to check

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<v Speaker 2>out what was happening. They were thinking if another driver

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<v Speaker 2>was stranded on the side of the road like that,

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<v Speaker 2>they could be in big trouble. They saw that the

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<v Speaker 2>car had run into an embankment and that the driver's

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<v Speaker 2>door was open. As they approached the car, they realized

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<v Speaker 2>that the car was still running. Next to the car

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<v Speaker 2>in a ditch was the body of a young woman,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old Ronda Henson. She was lying on her

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<v Speaker 2>back with her arms by her side. She looked peaceful,

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<v Speaker 2>like she had been starting to make a snow angel,

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<v Speaker 2>except for the bullet hole in her chest.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Helen Gone Murder Line. The driver of the

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<v Speaker 2>car called nine to one one and the police rushed

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<v Speaker 2>to the saint. From the beginning, the whole town was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what happened to Ronda Henson. This

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<v Speaker 2>was a very strange set of circumstances. Ronda had been

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<v Speaker 2>driving home from her company Christmas party at the American

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<v Speaker 2>Legion Hall in Hickory, North Carolina. She headed west on

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<v Speaker 2>Interstate forty and took the exit for her home, Mineral

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<v Speaker 2>Springs Mountain Highway through fifty. Then she turned right and

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<v Speaker 2>drove up the hill toward home. As she was climbing

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<v Speaker 2>that hill, she was shot once through the chest, and

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<v Speaker 2>the bullet had taken a long and kind of strange trajectory.

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<v Speaker 2>It went through the trunk of her dots in two

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<v Speaker 2>ten and then through the back seat, the front seat,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually through Ronda's chest, exiting through the front of

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<v Speaker 2>her chest, nicking her heart and lump. The shot was

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<v Speaker 2>fatal and would have killed Ronda almost instantly. Police were

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<v Speaker 2>able to figure out the shot hit while she was driving.

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<v Speaker 2>She was going around twenty five miles per hour at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and after she was shot, her car rolled

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<v Speaker 2>into the embankment. The car had then rolled down the hill,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit across the highway and finally.

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<v Speaker 3>Lodged in a ditch. She was only half a mile

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<v Speaker 3>from home.

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<v Speaker 2>Police wondered had her shooting been accidental, did a hunter

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<v Speaker 2>fire off a stray bullet? And was she just a

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<v Speaker 2>victim of a very unlucky circumstance, or was it someone

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<v Speaker 2>she knew, someone who stalked and killed her. Investigators said

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<v Speaker 2>that given her injury, Ronda could not have gotten out

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<v Speaker 2>of the car on her own, so it's assumed that

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<v Speaker 2>someone dragged her body out into the snow and placed

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<v Speaker 2>her on her back with her arms at her side.

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<v Speaker 3>But who.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda Henson was born on December thirteenth, nineteen sixty two

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<v Speaker 2>and grew up in Valdez, so she had lived in

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<v Speaker 2>that area pretty much her entire life. She was very

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<v Speaker 2>close to her family and her parents, Judy and Bobby,

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<v Speaker 2>and her brother Robbie. She still lived at home with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda had graduated from high school. Valdez didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>high school, so Ronda attended a consolidated school called East

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<v Speaker 2>Burke High School. Ronda's mother, Judy, said that in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda was very involved in sports, including basketball, track, in tennis,

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<v Speaker 2>and that everyone loved her daughter. After graduation, Ronda worked

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<v Speaker 2>as a clerical worker for a local steel company. In

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<v Speaker 2>the weeks before Ronda's death, her parents were noticing that

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<v Speaker 2>something seemed wrong. Ronda appeared distracted and uneasy, as though

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<v Speaker 2>she were carrying a secret she didn't know how to share.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda Henson had a boyfriend named Greg McDowell. She started

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<v Speaker 2>dating him during her junior year, and they seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>get serious pretty fast.

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<v Speaker 3>At first.

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<v Speaker 2>The local Record newspaper said that they seemed like an

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<v Speaker 2>ideal match, but Ronda's mom, Judy, told several media outlets,

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<v Speaker 2>including Unsolved Mysteries, which did an episode about the case,

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<v Speaker 2>that Greg would write Ronda notes, notes that she said

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<v Speaker 2>became more and more irate, because she said Greg would

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<v Speaker 2>get jealous and feel like Ronda wasn't giving him enough attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the notes from Greg were normal and sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>like the one that read happy to your anniversary, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for making me so happy, but another reportedly read quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize for pushing you. I really lost my temper

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry for being so st stupid. Please forgive

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<v Speaker 2>me end quote. Judy told the TV show that from

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<v Speaker 2>her conversations with Ronda. She believed that Greg was stressing

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter out. She said she had noticed in the

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<v Speaker 2>past that while Ronda was dating Greg, she was not

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<v Speaker 2>doing as well in school.

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<v Speaker 3>Her grades were dropping.

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<v Speaker 2>But then after high school, Greg went to college at

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina State University. After that, Ronda's mom said that

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter's behavior went more or less back to normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Ronda graduated, she got her first job, the clerical

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<v Speaker 2>job at the steel company. Greg's mother, Betty, actually worked

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<v Speaker 2>at the same steel company as Ronda. The Christmas party

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, December twenty second was a big deal to Ronda.

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<v Speaker 3>She was looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd only been working at the steel company for three months,

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<v Speaker 2>so this was her first ever office Christmas party as

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<v Speaker 2>a working woman. According to Unsolved Mysteries, Ronda had done

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that raised red flags to Judy

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<v Speaker 2>in the weeks before her disappearance. One thing was that

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<v Speaker 2>Judy said Ronda started showering during the night, telling Judy

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<v Speaker 2>she felt dirty. And two Judy remembered that Ronda was

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<v Speaker 2>asking her mother's strange questions about relationships, including whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was ever acceptable to date a married man. Judy told

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<v Speaker 2>the program quote I said Ronda, There's never a time

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<v Speaker 2>that it's all right to go with a married man.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that comes from that is people getting hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda's father, Bobby, worked nights at a bakery, and he

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<v Speaker 2>also reportedly told law enforcement that when he would leave

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<v Speaker 2>for work in the middle of the night, he saw

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda's lights on in her room. He wondered what was

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<v Speaker 2>keeping his daughter up at night. One day, Ronda said

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<v Speaker 2>she had something to tell Bobby, he told the TV

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<v Speaker 2>show quote, I said, what is it, Ronda? I said,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter whether it's good or bad, tell me. And

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<v Speaker 2>she said, I'll think about it. And she never did explain,

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<v Speaker 2>never did tell me why what it was that she's

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to tell me?

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<v Speaker 3>End quote. Could Ronda have been dating a married man?

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<v Speaker 2>Could that have been the reason why she was staying

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<v Speaker 2>up nights and behaving in a strange manner and taking

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<v Speaker 2>distance from her boyfriend, Or maybe Greg's jealousy was starting

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<v Speaker 2>to take a toll on her. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>this could have all been a complete coincidence. Judy and

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby have no way of knowing for sure. The teenage

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<v Speaker 2>angst that Ronda experience could have been a clue. Then again,

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<v Speaker 2>it could have been completely unrelated to her killing. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's always hard in hindsight because the temptation can be

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<v Speaker 2>there to find patterns or link events that aren't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>related to the murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything felt like a clue.

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<v Speaker 2>Police interviewed Ronda's friends and colleagues from the Christmas party.

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<v Speaker 2>All them said Ronda was acting normally, nothing was amiss.

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<v Speaker 2>She seemed to be having a really good time. Ronda

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<v Speaker 2>left the party at around twelve thirty am with two

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<v Speaker 2>of her friends. Now at this point there was another

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<v Speaker 2>change in her routine, possibly something that could have been significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda was supposed to stay over with a female friend

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<v Speaker 2>named Sherry Pittman, but instead she dropped her friends off

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually decided to go home instead. No one really

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<v Speaker 2>knows why she made that decision. So Ronda set out

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<v Speaker 2>and drove her Dotson down Mineral Springs Road for the

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<v Speaker 2>ten mile trip home. Around one o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda's mother woke up with a strange feeling. On December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty second. Judy told Unsolved Mysteries that at exactly one am, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up feeling panicky, scared because I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>something had happened to Ronda.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like Ronda was dead. I felt like she

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<v Speaker 3>had been in an automobile accident. End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>She and her husband were so freaked out they started

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<v Speaker 2>turning on their police scanner and listening to see if

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<v Speaker 2>they could hear accident reports. Bobby, in desperation, called Jill Turner,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda's best friend, to see if maybe Ronda was with her.

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<v Speaker 3>He had no luck.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't hear anything until police broke the news in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Officers came to the family home at two thirty am

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<v Speaker 2>to announce that Ronda had.

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<v Speaker 3>Been found dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Police started looking for witnesses who had been out on

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<v Speaker 2>the highway at that time. Police talked to one witness

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<v Speaker 2>who drove under the I forty bridge on the road

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<v Speaker 2>where Ronda was murdered. The witness told police that she

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<v Speaker 2>saw a car, a blue nineteen seventies model Chevrolet, facing

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<v Speaker 2>in a northerly direction with two white males in the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>The witness stated that the Chabelle had damage on the

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<v Speaker 2>front part of the car. They described the driver as

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<v Speaker 2>a dark haired man with a medium build. A second

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<v Speaker 2>witness said later in the morning they passed a blue

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<v Speaker 2>GM Chevrolet driving fast with one person at the wheel.

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<v Speaker 2>That same witness saw Ronda's car pulled over on the

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<v Speaker 2>side of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>They said that.

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<v Speaker 2>They saw a white man standing near the driver's door,

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<v Speaker 2>leaning into a woman. They thought that maybe it was

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<v Speaker 2>a drunk couple, so that witness drove on. Later under hypnosis,

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<v Speaker 2>the witness described the man as white with dark brown hair,

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<v Speaker 2>between five ten and six feet tall. They also remembered

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<v Speaker 2>passing another car part further down the road from the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a black or blue transam. So who were

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<v Speaker 2>the men on the road that night. To this day,

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<v Speaker 2>police don't know. They have never found them. So the

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<v Speaker 2>first theory that we have to explore is could this

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<v Speaker 2>have been a random accident. Test showed that Ronda had

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<v Speaker 2>been shot once with a high powered rifle. Police never

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<v Speaker 2>found the weapon, but they were able to determine that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a larger rifle and not, for example, a

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<v Speaker 2>small handgun. Ronda was killed with only a single bullet,

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<v Speaker 2>the one that passed through the trunk of her car,

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<v Speaker 2>the back of her car seat, and into her heart.

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<v Speaker 2>One scenario that I've considered is that someone could have

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<v Speaker 2>been using high beams to shoot deer or some other

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<v Speaker 2>kind of game, and then their stray bullet hit the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they saw the car roll off the road and

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<v Speaker 2>went to see if Ronda was alive. Then maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>panicked and left the scene rather than call the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the bullet came through the rear of the car,

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<v Speaker 2>it was initially possible to imagine a random shot from

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<v Speaker 2>someone near the road, or maybe from an overpass. However,

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<v Speaker 2>several details at the scene raised serious doubts about the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of an accident. The main thing was that Ronda's

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<v Speaker 2>body was found outside the vehicle, placed neatly on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Her arms were described as deliberately arranged or placed at

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<v Speaker 2>her sides, meaning that she did not get into that

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<v Speaker 2>position by herself, though police couldn't say for sure if

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<v Speaker 2>she had been positioned that way on purpose, or if

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<v Speaker 2>potentially someone dragged her out of the car and dropped

0:15:07.641 --> 0:15:10.881
<v Speaker 2>her there in a more random fashion. Then there was

0:15:10.921 --> 0:15:14.561
<v Speaker 2>the open driver's door. Police say it was opened after

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<v Speaker 2>the shot was fired, and there were fingerprints that were

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<v Speaker 2>not Ronda's found on the door handle. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>sign of a struggle inside the car, and nothing appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to have been stolen. Investigators began to suspect that the

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<v Speaker 2>shooter was close enough to approach the car after firing,

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting intent not randomness. If someone did target Ronda, judging

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<v Speaker 2>by the bullet path, the shooter would have had to

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<v Speaker 2>have been an excellent marksman. But police seemed to dropped

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<v Speaker 2>the random act of violence theory pretty quickly because of

0:15:47.721 --> 0:15:51.001
<v Speaker 2>the way Ronda's body was placed. They quickly moved on

0:15:51.121 --> 0:15:55.161
<v Speaker 2>to another theory, the possibility that Ronda could have been targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>This case is technically still open, so our foyer requests.

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<v Speaker 3>Have unfortunately not come back.

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<v Speaker 2>But over the years this case has had some prominent

0:16:05.481 --> 0:16:10.801
<v Speaker 2>media coverage. The reporter Larry J. Griffin published a serialized investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>He did a ton of research, He interviewed Ronda's family members,

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<v Speaker 2>and got access to her autopsy report. He posted parts

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<v Speaker 2>of it on The Wilkes Record, a local North Carolina newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of it is no longer online, but parts of

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<v Speaker 2>it are available on the Wayback Machine, and Larry has

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<v Speaker 2>also posted a lot of the Wilkes Record content on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, police reportedly believed this had been some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an accident, that Rona had been the victim of

0:16:44.881 --> 0:16:49.041
<v Speaker 2>a random stray bullet, but again, the apparent placement of

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<v Speaker 2>the body and the fact that nothing was stolen made

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<v Speaker 2>this less convincing over time, so police began to seriously

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<v Speaker 2>consider the possibility that Ronda was being stalked by someone

0:17:00.721 --> 0:17:17.321
<v Speaker 2>she knew. Investigators began to suspect the killer might have

0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.441
<v Speaker 2>followed or intercepted Ronda, possibly someone familiar.

0:17:21.001 --> 0:17:23.161
<v Speaker 3>With her routine and her route home.

0:17:24.441 --> 0:17:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Larry Griffin was able to get a copy of Ronda's

0:17:27.001 --> 0:17:30.561
<v Speaker 2>autopsy report and has posted part of that report online.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the autopsy report, Ronda was fully clothed in

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<v Speaker 2>the outfit she so carefully styled for the party, a

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<v Speaker 2>sweater over a shirt, skirt, slip, braw underwear, panty, host

0:17:43.561 --> 0:17:47.680
<v Speaker 2>and choose. The back of her sweater, shirt and slip

0:17:48.041 --> 0:17:53.001
<v Speaker 2>were soaked with blood. Ronda had one small round bruise

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<v Speaker 2>about the size of a dime on her left side

0:17:55.641 --> 0:17:58.840
<v Speaker 2>under her breast. There was another area of bruising and

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<v Speaker 2>a four to five inch patch toward the middle of

0:18:01.681 --> 0:18:06.321
<v Speaker 2>the left breast. So her family wondered did that bruise

0:18:06.361 --> 0:18:09.080
<v Speaker 2>happen as a result of the shooting or was it

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<v Speaker 2>something that happened before. Could she have gotten into an

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<v Speaker 2>altercation with someone earlier that night. The patch of bruising

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<v Speaker 2>could have been a result of the impact when she

0:18:19.001 --> 0:18:21.681
<v Speaker 2>hit the steering wheel. There was no mention in the

0:18:21.721 --> 0:18:24.921
<v Speaker 2>report of whether or not she was wearing a seatbelt.

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<v Speaker 2>Tears in Ronda's clothing matched the gunshot wounds, and the

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<v Speaker 2>autopsy report found quote no other significant external injuries are

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<v Speaker 2>appreciated end quote. The bullet had gone through the trunk lid,

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<v Speaker 2>through the back seat, through the front seat, and then

0:18:41.481 --> 0:18:45.601
<v Speaker 2>hit Ronda in the chest, which killed her. Police were

0:18:45.681 --> 0:18:48.601
<v Speaker 2>able to determine she had been traveling uphill and going

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty five miles per hour when she was shot.

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<v Speaker 2>After being shot, Ronda's car crashed against the embankment. Judy

0:18:57.681 --> 0:19:00.361
<v Speaker 2>Henson's former sister in law, Linda Price.

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<v Speaker 3>Was an emt.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote some comments and questions for the police. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the things she asked was whether the bruise that

0:19:08.441 --> 0:19:11.601
<v Speaker 2>Ronda had could have been something that happened earlier that night,

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<v Speaker 2>or whether it definitely happened either as a result of

0:19:14.961 --> 0:19:19.160
<v Speaker 2>the car accident or the gunshot. Law enforcement said they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't be sure. It was likely in their opinion that

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<v Speaker 2>the gunshot caused the bruising, but they couldn't rule out

0:19:25.241 --> 0:19:28.041
<v Speaker 2>the possibility that Ronda might have gotten into some sort

0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:33.681
<v Speaker 2>of physical altercation before that final fatal car ride. Either way,

0:19:33.961 --> 0:19:38.001
<v Speaker 2>the gunshot was the cause of death. Now police were

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<v Speaker 2>exploring the possibility that someone was stalking Ronda. They were

0:19:42.001 --> 0:19:45.401
<v Speaker 2>putting together the timeline of event leading up to her shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>On December twenty first, Ronda worked at Hickory Steele. During

0:19:50.801 --> 0:19:54.440
<v Speaker 2>her lunch hour that day, Ronda reportedly went shopping with

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Mark. Now, Mark was the boyfriend of

0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Ronda's best friend Jill, and the four of them, Jill, Mark, Ronda,

0:20:02.121 --> 0:20:05.041
<v Speaker 2>and Greg often doubledated or went out as part of

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:09.041
<v Speaker 2>a group. They were all close friends. Mark wanted help

0:20:09.041 --> 0:20:12.001
<v Speaker 2>picking out a present for Jill, so Ronda and Mark

0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.880
<v Speaker 2>went together to the nearby mall. When he dropped her

0:20:14.921 --> 0:20:18.080
<v Speaker 2>back home that day, Ronda left the gray hoodie she

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.001
<v Speaker 2>had been wearing in the back of Mark's car. Ronda

0:20:21.121 --> 0:20:23.880
<v Speaker 2>was excited about the Christmas party that Hickory Steele was

0:20:23.881 --> 0:20:28.001
<v Speaker 2>having on Friday night at the American Legion Hut. Again,

0:20:28.121 --> 0:20:31.241
<v Speaker 2>this was her first office Christmas party ever. She had

0:20:31.281 --> 0:20:34.201
<v Speaker 2>only been there a few months. Everything was new and exciting.

0:20:35.321 --> 0:20:38.201
<v Speaker 2>Ronda's mother, Judy, kept a journal during this time. She

0:20:38.401 --> 0:20:41.561
<v Speaker 2>shared a lot of her entries with Larry Griffin, the reporter.

0:20:42.761 --> 0:20:45.721
<v Speaker 2>Judy remembered one of the things going on that week

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<v Speaker 2>was that Ronda wasn't sure whether or not to invite

0:20:48.641 --> 0:20:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Greg with her to the party. Judy said Ronda made

0:20:52.761 --> 0:20:56.761
<v Speaker 2>many comments to her about Greg, saying, quote, Mom, if

0:20:56.761 --> 0:20:59.561
<v Speaker 2>I invite him and every time I talk to anyone

0:20:59.561 --> 0:21:00.801
<v Speaker 2>else there, he's going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be upset about it. End quote.

0:21:03.201 --> 0:21:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Judy wrote in her journal, quote, I don't think that

0:21:06.001 --> 0:21:08.761
<v Speaker 2>Ronda really wanted to deal with his jealousy. I think

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.481
<v Speaker 2>she had gotten tired of his demanding to know everything

0:21:11.561 --> 0:21:15.001
<v Speaker 2>she did, where she went, who she talked to, everything.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.401
<v Speaker 2>Judy Henson went shopping with her daughter at the Valley

0:21:19.481 --> 0:21:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Hills Mall, where Ronda tried on some new outfits and

0:21:22.961 --> 0:21:26.681
<v Speaker 2>they had lunch. Ronda didn't end up finding an outfit,

0:21:27.241 --> 0:21:31.241
<v Speaker 2>but she and her mom had a great time. Greg

0:21:31.361 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 2>continued to be a topic of conversation that day. Judy

0:21:35.241 --> 0:21:37.880
<v Speaker 2>said Ronda was worried about the fact that Greg was

0:21:37.921 --> 0:21:42.321
<v Speaker 2>coming home that day from college. She said Greg might

0:21:42.321 --> 0:21:44.961
<v Speaker 2>have called she was worried she wouldn't be home to

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<v Speaker 2>take his call and that he might get annoyed. They

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<v Speaker 2>got home from shopping and Ronda's brother, Robbie, said Greg

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:56.321
<v Speaker 2>had been calling all day. Robbie told Ronda she needed

0:21:56.321 --> 0:21:59.961
<v Speaker 2>to call Greg back. Greg picked Ronda up that night

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.001
<v Speaker 2>they went to a small Christmas party near Mineral Springs Mountain.

0:22:04.161 --> 0:22:07.161
<v Speaker 2>Ronda and Greg left for the party, but they were

0:22:07.201 --> 0:22:09.681
<v Speaker 2>away for less than an hour when Greg dropped her

0:22:09.681 --> 0:22:13.681
<v Speaker 2>back home. Judy said she asked her daughter about why

0:22:13.721 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 2>she came home so quickly, and that Ronda said something

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<v Speaker 2>about Greg being annoyed with her about the shopping trip.

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<v Speaker 2>On December thirteenth, the week before Ronda was killed, she

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<v Speaker 2>had lunch with Greg and his family. Charles McDowell, Greg's

0:22:28.441 --> 0:22:31.721
<v Speaker 2>father was the senior pastor at a nearby church, and

0:22:31.761 --> 0:22:35.841
<v Speaker 2>Betty worked at the same steel company as Ronda. Ronda's

0:22:35.881 --> 0:22:38.920
<v Speaker 2>birthday was December eleventh, so this was kind of a

0:22:38.961 --> 0:22:42.041
<v Speaker 2>holiday lunch slash birthday celebration for Ronda.

0:22:42.801 --> 0:22:44.761
<v Speaker 3>Greg gave her another necklace for her birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>On Monday, December twenty first, nineteen eighty one, when Ronda

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.001
<v Speaker 2>came home from work, she had a potted plant with

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<v Speaker 2>her as a gift from her boss at the steel company,

0:22:54.721 --> 0:22:59.401
<v Speaker 2>Don Colson. On Tuesday, December twenty second, the last day

0:22:59.401 --> 0:23:02.921
<v Speaker 2>of Ronda's life, there were some irregularities in her routine.

0:23:03.641 --> 0:23:06.561
<v Speaker 2>First of all, it was snowing that morning, so normally

0:23:06.681 --> 0:23:09.361
<v Speaker 2>Ronda drove her nineteen eighty one dots in two ten

0:23:09.481 --> 0:23:12.761
<v Speaker 2>to work, but on that morning, because of the snow,

0:23:13.361 --> 0:23:16.041
<v Speaker 2>she caught a ride with her coworker at Hickory Steele,

0:23:16.561 --> 0:23:18.521
<v Speaker 2>a salesman named Wayne Chapman.

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<v Speaker 3>But Wayne didn't pick her up at home.

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<v Speaker 2>She walked to Exit one twelve to meet up with him,

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<v Speaker 2>which was about half a mile from her house, and

0:23:28.561 --> 0:23:33.001
<v Speaker 2>Ronda had no jacket. Apparently Greg had one of her jackets,

0:23:33.401 --> 0:23:36.121
<v Speaker 2>and she had left her gray hoodie in Mark's car

0:23:36.241 --> 0:23:39.401
<v Speaker 2>during the shopping trip, so on that day she wore

0:23:39.401 --> 0:23:43.121
<v Speaker 2>a green and gold Green Bay Packer jacket. A neighbor

0:23:43.241 --> 0:23:48.481
<v Speaker 2>saw Ron walk past his house wearing that jacket. While

0:23:48.561 --> 0:23:50.961
<v Speaker 2>she was walking to the meet up point, she ran

0:23:51.001 --> 0:23:54.561
<v Speaker 2>into a guy who lived nearby named Brian Lowman. She

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.801
<v Speaker 2>later told her mom that he asked her out, but

0:23:58.041 --> 0:24:01.281
<v Speaker 2>that she told him she already had a boyfriend. Right

0:24:01.321 --> 0:24:03.921
<v Speaker 2>after that, she ran into another man named Bill Gladden.

0:24:04.441 --> 0:24:06.761
<v Speaker 2>Bill was riding by with his wife and their dog,

0:24:06.881 --> 0:24:10.441
<v Speaker 2>a poodle inside the car. They gave Ronda a lift

0:24:10.521 --> 0:24:13.041
<v Speaker 2>up the road to the exit on inter State BOARDY,

0:24:13.121 --> 0:24:17.081
<v Speaker 2>where she met Wayne, her coworker. She later told her

0:24:17.121 --> 0:24:20.241
<v Speaker 2>mother she made a split second decision to accept the

0:24:20.321 --> 0:24:23.681
<v Speaker 2>ride because this wasn't just a single man. He had

0:24:23.681 --> 0:24:26.521
<v Speaker 2>a woman in a poodle inside the car, and that

0:24:26.601 --> 0:24:30.001
<v Speaker 2>made her feel more secure. She went to work at

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.601
<v Speaker 2>Hickory Steele and it seemed like just an average day

0:24:33.361 --> 0:24:33.921
<v Speaker 2>at work.

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<v Speaker 3>Ronda called her mom, Judy, which was typical for them.

0:24:37.761 --> 0:24:40.881
<v Speaker 2>That's when Ronda told her about Brian asking her out

0:24:40.881 --> 0:24:44.921
<v Speaker 2>that morning and her saying no. She mentioned that Greg

0:24:45.041 --> 0:24:48.481
<v Speaker 2>was taking her at lunch to go shoe shopping. At noon,

0:24:48.681 --> 0:24:50.481
<v Speaker 2>Ronda went on her lunch break with one of her

0:24:50.521 --> 0:24:54.921
<v Speaker 2>coworkers who saw Greg parked in a blue Chevy. They

0:24:54.961 --> 0:24:58.401
<v Speaker 2>went out and she came back after lunch. The rest

0:24:58.481 --> 0:25:01.041
<v Speaker 2>of the day, from what we know, continued as normal,

0:25:01.481 --> 0:25:06.361
<v Speaker 2>and then Wayne Chapman dropped Ronda off at five thirty PM.

0:25:06.921 --> 0:25:10.881
<v Speaker 2>By now Ronda was in full party prep mode. According

0:25:10.881 --> 0:25:14.041
<v Speaker 2>to phone records, She called Greg and that call lasted

0:25:14.121 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 2>about three minutes.

0:25:15.881 --> 0:25:18.041
<v Speaker 3>Twelve minutes later, Ronda.

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<v Speaker 2>Took another call from Greg, and this phone call also

0:25:20.401 --> 0:25:24.441
<v Speaker 2>lasted around three minutes. Police asked Judy if she heard

0:25:24.481 --> 0:25:28.121
<v Speaker 2>the contents of these brief phone conversations, but Judy said

0:25:28.161 --> 0:25:31.921
<v Speaker 2>she really didn't. Judy told law enforcement that Ronda took

0:25:31.961 --> 0:25:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the calls in her bedroom so that she would have

0:25:34.401 --> 0:25:35.041
<v Speaker 2>some privacy.

0:25:36.161 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Judy did say that while Ronda was getting ready, she

0:25:39.201 --> 0:25:40.321
<v Speaker 3>made a comment.

0:25:40.121 --> 0:25:42.401
<v Speaker 2>About Greg trying to pull a guilt trip on her,

0:25:42.961 --> 0:25:45.481
<v Speaker 2>but she said she was determined to have a good

0:25:45.521 --> 0:25:49.241
<v Speaker 2>time at the party. Ronda finished getting ready and walked

0:25:49.241 --> 0:25:51.921
<v Speaker 2>out of the door at around six thirty pm. Her

0:25:51.961 --> 0:25:54.761
<v Speaker 2>plan was to pick up her friend and coworker, Sherry,

0:25:55.161 --> 0:25:57.481
<v Speaker 2>the same person who she was planning on spending the

0:25:57.561 --> 0:26:02.121
<v Speaker 2>night with. Ronda drove out in her Dotson into the night.

0:26:02.881 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Her family never saw her alive again. As we said,

0:26:10.161 --> 0:26:11.441
<v Speaker 2>witnesses told police she.

0:26:11.441 --> 0:26:12.641
<v Speaker 3>Had a good time at the party.

0:26:12.721 --> 0:26:14.681
<v Speaker 2>She was in a great mood when she set off

0:26:14.721 --> 0:26:19.521
<v Speaker 2>home at around twelve thirty am. According to Larry Griffin reports,

0:26:20.001 --> 0:26:22.761
<v Speaker 2>Ronda arrived back at Sherry's house around midnight.

0:26:23.281 --> 0:26:24.881
<v Speaker 3>She asked to use the phone to.

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:28.881
<v Speaker 2>Call Greg After that phone call, she decided to drive

0:26:28.961 --> 0:26:40.481
<v Speaker 2>back home and then along that route she was fatally shot.

0:26:45.961 --> 0:26:49.241
<v Speaker 2>Police did talk to two witnesses who said they had

0:26:49.321 --> 0:26:52.721
<v Speaker 2>seen Ronda and her car on Mineral Springs Road with

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:57.681
<v Speaker 2>an unidentified man. So police had a strange set of circumstances.

0:26:58.041 --> 0:27:01.921
<v Speaker 2>The single shot fired, the wild bullet trajectory, but then

0:27:02.041 --> 0:27:04.601
<v Speaker 2>the fact that the car door was open and Ronda's

0:27:04.601 --> 0:27:07.961
<v Speaker 2>body was pulled out. But police did not have a

0:27:08.001 --> 0:27:12.201
<v Speaker 2>ton of physical evidence. They did find fingerprints on Ronda's

0:27:12.241 --> 0:27:16.761
<v Speaker 2>driver's side door, fingerprints that are unidentified. They believe these

0:27:16.801 --> 0:27:20.921
<v Speaker 2>fingerprints may have come from the killer. Unfortunately, they may

0:27:20.961 --> 0:27:25.041
<v Speaker 2>never be identified because the Burke County Sheriff's Department has

0:27:25.121 --> 0:27:28.001
<v Speaker 2>admitted there were some major mistakes made with some of

0:27:28.041 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the evidence in this case. They lost crucial evidence, including

0:27:32.161 --> 0:27:35.281
<v Speaker 2>the trunk lid of Ronda Henson's nineteen eighty one dots

0:27:35.281 --> 0:27:38.561
<v Speaker 2>in two ten and the fingerprints. The ones that were

0:27:38.561 --> 0:27:42.961
<v Speaker 2>taken from the car driver's side door were also reportedly

0:27:43.161 --> 0:27:48.921
<v Speaker 2>accidental destroyed. This was obviously devastating for Ronda Henson's family.

0:27:50.041 --> 0:27:53.801
<v Speaker 2>Ronda's parents also started asking questions about the gray hoodie,

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.001
<v Speaker 2>the one that was in the back of Mark's car.

0:27:56.881 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>We know that the hoodie was in Mark's car on

0:27:59.721 --> 0:28:02.441
<v Speaker 2>December eighteenth, nineteen eighty one, the day of the shopping trip,

0:28:03.041 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 2>but then on the morning of December twenty third, nineteen

0:28:05.881 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 2>eighty one, when investigators were doing an inventory on her vehicle,

0:28:10.481 --> 0:28:13.481
<v Speaker 2>investigators found that same gray hoodie on the sun deck

0:28:13.481 --> 0:28:17.321
<v Speaker 2>of her car. Her parents say they didn't believe it

0:28:17.361 --> 0:28:19.561
<v Speaker 2>was in her car when she left home on the

0:28:19.601 --> 0:28:22.441
<v Speaker 2>evening of December twenty second, nineteen eighty one, to head

0:28:22.441 --> 0:28:25.601
<v Speaker 2>out to the Christmas party, so they wondered how did

0:28:25.601 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>that sweatshirt get there from Mark's nineteen seventy seven Buick

0:28:29.921 --> 0:28:33.641
<v Speaker 2>Regal to Ronda's car. There was something else found in

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda's car, something that her parents claim wasn't in the

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<v Speaker 2>car when she left for the party, a stuffed animal

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<v Speaker 2>she and Greg had bought while on vacation together at

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<v Speaker 2>Myrtle Beach. Police never really addressed or answered any questions

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<v Speaker 2>about how these items made it into Ronda's car, and

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<v Speaker 2>her family have not been able to get answers about

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<v Speaker 2>chain of custody, of evidence, or many other things from

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<v Speaker 2>the police. Judy Henson has stated the family has asked

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<v Speaker 2>to see Ronda's clothes, but she said the police said no. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>state authorities became involved in the case, but Judy said

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't had much luck in communication with them either.

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<v Speaker 2>Judy Henson told Larry Newell the reporter, that they have

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<v Speaker 2>been told by an SBI investigator that the case should,

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<v Speaker 2>in her words, be quote put back in the drawer

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<v Speaker 2>where it.

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<v Speaker 3>Belongs end quote. Even though they.

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<v Speaker 2>Lost Ronda's trunk, which is obviously a catastrophe, police did

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<v Speaker 2>get some early clues.

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<v Speaker 3>Police told Judy.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bobby they were able to determine that the bullet

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<v Speaker 2>was fired from somewhere behind the car and on a

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<v Speaker 2>slight elevation, something like an overpass or a hill or bank. That,

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<v Speaker 2>combined with the neat placement of Ronda's body, leads many

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<v Speaker 2>to think the shooter was close enough to walk up

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<v Speaker 2>to the car afterward, rather than some distant random hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>Police have interviewed all of Ronda's friends, including Greg and Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>over the years. There have been reports that Greg took

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<v Speaker 2>two polygraphs, that the first was inconclusive and the second,

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<v Speaker 2>taking years later, he passed. Of course, polygraph tests are

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<v Speaker 2>not admissible in court for a reason, and the refusal

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<v Speaker 2>to take them, or even failing them, is not indicative

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<v Speaker 2>of guilt.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just an investigative tool.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither Greg Mark, nor anyone else connected to them has

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<v Speaker 2>ever been arrested or charged in any way with Ronda's shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>Police did talk to Greg's family. Judy has stated law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement interviewed Greg's mother, Betty, and that she allegedly told

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<v Speaker 2>them she and Greg had had questions about Larry, Greg's father,

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<v Speaker 2>but law enforcement apparently concluded Betty's statements could have come

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of her very acrimonious breakup with Greg's

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<v Speaker 2>father and allegations of infidelity. There is no suggestion that

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in Greg's family were involved in Ronda's shooting in

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<v Speaker 2>any way. Police are still appealing to the public for

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<v Speaker 2>any information on Ronda's case. The reward for any information

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<v Speaker 2>on Ronda's case started at five thousand dollars set by

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Valdiz, but then the Burke County Sheriff,

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<v Speaker 2>in cooperation with other law enforcement and governmental agencies, has

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<v Speaker 2>announced a combined reward of up to ninety four thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred dollars for information leading to the arrest and

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<v Speaker 2>conviction of anyone responsible for Ronda's death. Judy Henson told

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News in twenty fifteen that she and her husband

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<v Speaker 2>have differing opinions about what could have happened to their daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Her husband believed that it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote just a random shot by some people in the

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<v Speaker 2>area playing around with a rifle end quote, but Judy

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<v Speaker 2>said she continues to believe that her daughter was targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>I read a comment somewhere talking about the case. It said, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>if the shooting was deliberate, it was the luckiest shot

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, and if it wasn't deliberate, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the unluckiest. And I agree with that sentiment. And investigators

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<v Speaker 2>are still divided on which scenario fits here. They still

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if Ronda's shooting was accidental or murder. I

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<v Speaker 2>have considered another possibility that it could have been somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle. Maybe the two guys the witness saw

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<v Speaker 2>that night were driving around and fired off a shot,

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<v Speaker 2>either in road rage or as a joke, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Their shot killed Ronda.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe it was someone firing shots from the highway.

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<v Speaker 2>If someone did hit her by accident, they may have

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<v Speaker 2>gone down to check on her, and then when they

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<v Speaker 2>realized she was dead, panicked, and fled the scene. If

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<v Speaker 2>Ronda Henson had lived today, she would be in her sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>Judy said that while she.

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<v Speaker 2>Still hopes and prays that someone would come forward with

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<v Speaker 2>information that could help lead to answers about what really

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<v Speaker 2>happened to Ronda, she clings to that final memory of

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter dressed up to go out to that party.

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<v Speaker 2>She was so excited about dressed in the sweater and

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<v Speaker 2>skirt that her mom helped her pick out and buy.

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<v Speaker 2>Judy said, quote, she looked the most beautiful I had

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen her on that night. When we saw her again,

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<v Speaker 2>it was in a funeral home. End quote. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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