1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. All that's right show started. I'm over there 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: talking to Paulie. We're talking about last night, the Last Dance, 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: and I hear the music and I hear and Dan Patrick, 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: and I go, hmm, that's me. Well, welcome to the program. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: Hope you had a great weekend everybody. And he'd be lated, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers that I didn't 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: get to reach out to yesterday. And hopefully you got 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: the Dan Patrick Show Mother's Day card that we sent out. 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: It's a picture of myself and my mom, and Mario 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: did a wonderful job with that, so I want to 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: thank him for doing that. It was nice to remember 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: my mom. All right, Best and worst of the weekend, 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: as we always do every Monday. What you liked, what 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: you didn't like? Eight seven seven three d P Show 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: Email address DP at dan Patrick dot com Twitter hand 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: to a DP show. We have a poll question, a 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: couple of stats of the day. We got a play 19 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: of the day as well, but we begin with the 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Last Dance. It's been interesting, but there was something unique 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: about the seventh episode, which aired on ESPN last night, 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: and maybe this was the truest view of Michael Jordan 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: that we've ever seen as a competitor. You watched him 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: give his teammates grief. Opponents, they got grief as well. 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: You got Michael current day, Michael getting emotional looking back, 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: and he said, and the quote was winning has a price, 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: and leadership has a price. Now we can get into 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: breaking it down of is that really leadership. You know, 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: you got the results. We always look at the bottom 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: line winning. He won. We don't really care how you 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: got there. He won. Michael won, but there's personal relationships, 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: and you could see this was the not nice Michael Jordan. 33 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: He would do anything to win. And the results were 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: six titles. All great athletes are competitive, and he took 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: it as far as anyone I've ever known. He expected 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: a lot out of his teammates, but Jordan also said 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: that he never asked them to do something that he 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't do himself. And that's why it's hard to critique 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: his style. Jordan was tough to play with, he was 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: tough to play against, but the rewards were often as 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: good as it gets. And you're just getting a full picture. 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: This is Michael Jordan in full You're getting to see 43 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and true it's not a true documentary. We've discussed that 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: he gets the final say, it's his team that put 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: this together along with the ESPN, and the ESPN has 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: done a wonderful job. But Mike is going to let 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: you see what he wants you to see, and he 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: let He gave that window into the relationship with his 49 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: father and how he was to his teammate. Now, a 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff is not new to me because 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I saw it or was told this by members of 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: the Bulls, but you were sworn to secrecy. I can't 53 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: tell you how nervous the former players were about Mike 54 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: hearing about this, and retribution comes in all different forms. 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: With Michael Jordan, they would say, you can't tell anybody. 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: But I remember the first time I heard about the 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr punch, and one of his former teammates was saying, yeah, 58 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: we didn't know how to cover it up, so this 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: didn't get out that Michael punched Steve Kerr. And somebody said, 60 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about and we joked about makeup, 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: putting makeup on his black eye, like there was stuff 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: that came out. But back then, you know, Michael he 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: had a tight ship and if it got out, he 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: would pretty much know where it came from. The Chicago 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: media was there, you know, omnipresent. Everybody was looking for something, 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: but they were in his corner. And how they covered 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. There were things that Michael was accused of 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: involved in off the court. We know about a lot 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: of this stuff, but back then, nobody knew about it. 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: Very few people knew about it. And if you were trusted, 71 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: you know they you would get information. And it's almost 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: as if somebody wanted to see if they could trust 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you about this because they could talk amongst each other, 74 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: but after a while they wanted others to know what 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: exactly this is light. I remember when one of the 76 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: former players talked about getting the look, and I said, 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: what's the look? He goes, you don't want the look? 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? That means Jordan is 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: really mad at you and he's your teammate and he 80 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: doesn't want to throw you the ball because he doesn't 81 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: trust you. I said, oh, And then after that I 82 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: would start looking for the look on the court. If 83 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: somebody missed one or two jumpers, Mike was not going 84 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: to throw you the ball. He would be mad at 85 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: you on the floor. You got the look. But it's fascinating. 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: And there were other things with Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen 87 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: didn't have a good weekend. They did not. Now the 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: first couple of weeks we felt sorry for Scottie Pippen, like, 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: oh man, he didn't get paid. And you know, without 90 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: Michael or without Scottie, Michael doesn't win six titles, doesn't 91 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: come close. He's acknowledged Scottie being great. Scotty with a 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: great story out of nowhere Central Arkansas goes to the 93 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: Bulls and be comes one of the fifty greatest players 94 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: of all time. There is the moment on Scottie Pippen 95 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: saying he wasn't going back into the game when Phil 96 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: Jackson designed to play for Tony Ku coach. Now you 97 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: would think if you asked Scottie if you had to 98 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: do it all over again, he would say something along 99 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: the lines of, yeah, I wouldn't have done it the 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: way I did. No, here's Scottie Pippen. I felt like 101 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: it was an insult coming from field. I was the 102 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: most dangerous guy on our team, so why are you 103 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: asking me to take the ball out. This is a 104 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: season where he's taken the role of Michael. He's had 105 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: this MVP caliber season. He thought it should be him 106 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: taking shot. And so Jim Clemens came over and said, Scotty, 107 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: he's not going in and Phil, so what do you 108 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: mean he's not going in? And I go down. I said, 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: are you in or out? And he said come out. 110 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: That's Dennis Rodman in there. And when you realize Scottie 111 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: was sitting out and at the time he thought, well 112 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: maybe it did he get hurt, like what happened here? 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: And Phil designed to play for Tony Ku coach. Scotty 114 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: said he would still set out because you know, I 115 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: took it as a slight all right, that's a that 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a good answer by Scotty. I mean he could 117 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: have said. You know, at the time, I felt like, boy, 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm now you're Michael. I want the ball. Mike got 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: the ball in those situations, and I'm thinking Scotty's probably 120 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: in his mind going I earned this, like this is 121 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: my moment where people look at me differently than oh, yeah, 122 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: you're a Robin to Batman. I understand all of that, 123 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: but you're going against Phil Jackson and what he thinks 124 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: is going to work with Tony ku coach who was 125 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: a very polished scorer, and it worked. But for Scottie 126 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: to say that now, it doesn't sound like he's evolved 127 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: at all with this matured with this yeah point. The 128 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: video from side is so good once you know the backstory. 129 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: And then they play the scene of the bench where 130 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen and the huddle breaks. He goes to the 131 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: end of the bench where all the scrubs are and 132 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: sits down and one of the assistant coaches talking to 133 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: him and he's yelling and about I'm upset about something. 134 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: You can't read his lips. But there's a bench player, 135 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: remember Scott Williams. Was it out of North Carolina? Carolina. 136 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: He's right there and he just turns around him. He 137 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: does this monstrous eye roll, like oh boy, and then 138 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: you just see Phil Jackson run down there. And to 139 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: see it play out after you know the story is 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: really interesting. There were a couple other things. You know, 141 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: Michael created these slights. Most of them were not real. 142 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: Some were you know, the bad boys that was real, 143 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: but you could tell that on the court. The other 144 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: stuff Michael was just looking imagine trying to get up 145 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: every single night because Michael. People were there to see Michael, 146 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine the mental toll that takes on 147 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: you physically obviously, but mentally. He wanted to be great 148 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: every single night. How do I be come great every night? 149 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, if it's a musician, if it's an athlete, 150 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is, every single night, you got to be great. 151 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: And Michael created slights. Here's one that Ahmad Rashad talked about. 152 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: The Seattle SuperSonics coach George Carl didn't talk to Michael. 153 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: This is courtesy at the last dance on ESPN during 154 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: the finals. We got to dinner one night, George calls 155 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: over on the other side having dinner, George Carl over there, 156 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: and George Carl does not come over and speak to him. 157 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: She walked right past. Yeah, look at my billy. Oh, 158 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: so that's how you're gonna play it. You know. He 159 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: just kind of went by and I went up, Oh, 160 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: you should have never done that. I said, it's a crocodile. 161 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: You know. We went to Carolina. You know Dan Smith, 162 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: you see him in the timmer. We play God, you're 163 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: gonna do this? Okay? Fine, that's all I needed. That's 164 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: all I needed for him to do that, And it 165 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: became personal with me, as if winning a title is 166 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: not motivation enough, Mike needed even more motivation. Gary Peyton 167 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: the Glove former Defensive Player of the Year. He did 168 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: not back down to Michael Jordan, and he talked about 169 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: his style of roughing up trying to be physical with 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan had a response to Gary Peyton 171 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: not backing down to MJ. A lot of people backed 172 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: down the bike. I didn't. I made it a point. 173 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: I said, just tire him out. You just gotta tire 174 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: him out. And I kept hitting him in and banging 175 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: him and hit him and banging him. It took a 176 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: toll on myke. It took a toll and then resting 177 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: him a little bit, and then the series change and 178 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I wish I could have did it earlier. I don't 179 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: know if the acme would have been different, but it 180 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: was a difference and beating him down a little bit. 181 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: The Glove. I had no problem with the Glove. I 182 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: had no problem with Gary Payton had a lot of 183 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: the things on my mind. Now that's Jordan laughing. He's 184 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: looking at an iPad there of Gary Payton's comments. Now, 185 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: there's one thing I take away from this that it 186 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: feels like it's always there every episode. Mike doesn't give 187 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: credit to too many people. He'll give credit to Scotty, 188 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: he'll give credit to Phil, but Michael's still competing. He does. 189 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: He needed to give a little bit more of an 190 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: acknowledgement to Gary Payton, because if you look at the 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: three games that Gary Payton guarded Michael Jordan, those NBA Finals, 192 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: two of Mike's worst playoff performances ever or against Gary Payton, 193 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: Gary Payton deserved credit last night, not laughing, not laughing, 194 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: I thought that was BS give him credit. You get 195 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: the feeling that it was Scotty and Michael and nobody 196 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: else gets any credit or deserves any credit here. We 197 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: know Jerry Crow doesn't get any credit, but you know acknowledge, 198 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: Gary Payton deserved that. He's one of the great Hall 199 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: of famer he's one of the great players, two way players, 200 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: and he did not back down to Michael Jordan. You 201 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: know the game is over, Mike. You won, You won, 202 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: You won them all, Mike. There's no fifth quarter here, 203 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: there's no overtime. You won it's okay to go. You 204 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: know what, Hey, I was tough on my teammates. You 205 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: know that's how I let okay, tough on the opposition. Okay, 206 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: but respect Gary Payton didn't walk off the court like 207 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: the bad boys and not shake your hand. And poor 208 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: le Bradford Smith, who probably was watching, going wait, they 209 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: just mentioned me, what did I do? The fact that 210 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: he created this grudge against le Bradford Smith of the 211 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: Washington Bullets because he said, nice game, Mike. Instead of saying, 212 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 1: oh my god, Mike, you're unbelieved, boy, you're incredible, he 213 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: said nice game. Oh. I just can't imagine how tiring 214 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: it must have been to be around Michael so competitive, 215 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: always on you. If you beat him at something, he 216 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: had to he had to go again. I think there 217 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: was a story with the Dream Team Chuck Daily beat 218 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: him in golf and Michael demanding that they play eighteen hole. 219 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: You know, he wanted another shot at Chuck Daily the coach. 220 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: That competition and if you've been around somebody who is 221 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: highly competitive, it gets to be tiring. But look his 222 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: leadership back then we admired, we acknowledge nowadays. If you 223 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: were trying to get away with a lot of this stuff. 224 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: Imagine if Lebron. I know it always comes back to Lebron, 225 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: But I think Lebron is unfairly criticized. I think he's 226 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: the most critique athlete in history. He hadn't done anything wrong. 227 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: Remember he said he was taking his talents to South Beach. 228 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: Kobe invented that phrase. Kobe at his press conference when 229 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: he was leaving high school says, I'm with sunglasses on 230 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: his head, said I'm taking my talents to the NBA. 231 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: Lebron says it. Can you believe that taking his talents 232 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: to Imagine if the story came out that Lebron said 233 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Love doesn't get to eat after a bad game. Okay, 234 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: just imagine that. How many weeks would we spend on that? 235 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: Or those who are sycophants of Jordan and don't like 236 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: Lebron James, you know, we'll look at Lebron bullying Kevin Love. 237 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Mike did that to Horace Grant, didn't let 238 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: him eat. I mean, that's just one little story. If 239 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: Lebron punched Kyrie Irving, I mean, let it let it 240 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: settle in here. I know Mike's the goat, absolutely, but 241 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: we let him get away with everything. We don't let 242 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: Lebron get away with anything. Michael Jordan has become Babe Ruth. 243 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: We allow Babe Ruth to get away with everything. Hey, 244 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: you went out on your wife, you drank all the time, 245 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: you ate, you're a pig, you blah blah blah blah. Yeah, 246 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: but the man he called shot and seven hundred home runs. 247 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper's hair is too long? Is spend a couple 248 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: of days on name? Come on, we can't pick and 249 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: choose with this, and we've done that with Jordan. We 250 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: pick and choose or Lebron Mike everything about this awesome. Hey, 251 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: whatever he does, he's awesome. Here's your numbers with Gary Peyton, 252 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: and this is why it did bother me with the 253 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: belly laugh that Mike had. Nineteen ninety six NBA Finals 254 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: versus Seattle, Games one, two and three, Michael averaged thirty 255 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: one and shot forty six percent from the floor. Games 256 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: four or five, and six, when Gary Peyton guarded him, 257 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Michael averaged under twenty four and shot thirty six percent 258 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: from the floor. That's not a belly laugh. That's not 259 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: just acknowledge. Somebody might have gotten the better of you 260 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: occasionally Mike. This program brought to you by legal Zoom. 261 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: No matter what happens, you want to make sure your 262 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: loved ones are taken care of. That's why legal Zoom 263 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: has made it easy to set up the right estate 264 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: plan without leaving your home. Take care of your family 265 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: today the right estate Plan at legal zoom dot com. 266 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: And I acknowledge Jordan's greatness. People misread this. I'm just 267 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: honest with this. I give you the facts. I'm not 268 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: drunk with Jordan stories and stats and greatness. He is spectacular. 269 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: But I have to look at this and be fair 270 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: to the story. We acknowledge greatness when you win, I 271 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: don't care how you got there. We knowledge greatness. That's it, 272 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: bottom line greatness. I just think that we pick and choose, 273 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: and certainly with Lebron James, and Lebron James doesn't need 274 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: for me to stick up for him, but I do 275 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: want to present the facts that I was there covering Jordan, 276 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: and I've been there covering Lebron. Lebron went to the 277 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: finals that first time, and I was there covering that, 278 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: like I've been there with these superstars, and yeah, you 279 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: don't have to compare them if you don't want to, 280 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: and maybe we shouldn't compare until Lebron's all done. And 281 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: if you still want Michael to be better than Lebron, 282 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: good for you. When you fall in love, that first 283 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: love and you stay with that. And that's what happened 284 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan. For an entire generation, nobody could compete 285 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan. We wouldn't allow it. Kobe close as 286 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: we've ever seen. We didn't even allow him in the conversation, 287 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: and we should have because Kobe was my If Kobe 288 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: came before Michael, we would be talking about Kobe. Mike 289 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: was the first man on the moon. As I've told you, 290 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: he's Neil Armstrong. There's never gonna be somebody who got 291 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: there before you. We've had Doctor j We've had Wills, 292 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: We've had Bill Russell, We've had Magic, We've had we've 293 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: had all of these great players. Michael did it all. 294 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: He was a brand, became a billionaire, He won even 295 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: the baseball part. That's why I applaud Tim Tebow. When 296 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: you have status now it's it's much lesser for Tim Tebow. 297 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: Michael is the greatest athlete he you know, the sport 298 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: has ever seen greatest player ever seen, whatever you want 299 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: to have your verbal bouquet's pilomon. The fact that he 300 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: would risk that reputation to go to play the hardest 301 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: sport there is to play, and that is baseball, I applauded. 302 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: And now Michael didn't have a good swing. It was 303 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: a long swing, but he had athleticism. He hadn't played 304 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: baseball in twelve years, and they put him in Double A. 305 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: And then he realized, as I realized when I was 306 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: playing baseball, that damn curveball is just not fair. And 307 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Mike was great until they threw nothing but curveballs. But 308 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: he did play, and he played at a pretty good level. 309 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: And that's what I applaud that if you truly wanted 310 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: to do that, and you wanted to do it for 311 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: your father, then God bless you. And if it had 312 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: nothing to do with gambling, good, I hope it doesn't. 313 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: I hope it didn't. But I applaud him for doing that, 314 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: and he wanted to be great at baseball and he 315 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: was serviceable. And that's saying an awful lot. It really is. 316 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: All right. We'll get to your phone calls eight seven 317 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: seven three D P show email addressed TP at dan 318 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: Patrick dot com. You can watch on you dot com 319 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: slashed The Dan Patrick Show, and you can listen on 320 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: the three hundred and sixty two radio affiliates around the country. 321 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: Twenty after the hour, we'll come back on The Dan 322 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: Patrick Show. By the way, Reggie Miller will join us 323 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: and Phil Mickelson stopping by just getting started here on 324 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan 325 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 326 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine 327 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 328 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, 329 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 330 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: by searching f s R. We'll come up with the 331 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: poll question. I got all fired up watching the Jordan 332 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: documentary mclovin. You got a poll question today. Yeah, it's 333 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: gonna make you mad again. What does it have to 334 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: do with the greatest college basketball player of all time? No? No, no, 335 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: well yes, in a way. What is the greatest NBA 336 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: team of all times? I were showing the ninety six 337 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: Bulls last night. Is that the greatest team? And Yahoo 338 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: had a list of the other great teams twenty seventeen Warriors, 339 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: the eighty six Celtics, the seventy two Lakers, the team 340 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: that went on that long win streak. This is always tricky, 341 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, because there's no right answer here. Um, do 342 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: I go with playoff record? Do I go regular season record? 343 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: You have to win the championship if even if you 344 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: had a great regular season, like the Warriors had a 345 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: great regular season when they won what's seventy three games, 346 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: they didn't win the title that year. The eighty six Celtics, 347 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: that was a deep team. Bill Walton was sixth Man 348 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: of the Year. That was Bird, prime Bird in eighty six. 349 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: They were a great defensive team too, which people would 350 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: never think with the Celtics they were. They were the 351 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: best offensive rated team. They were third in defense that year. 352 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: The ninety six Bulls were spectacular. The seventy two Lakers, 353 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: who I got to see, you know that was that 354 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: was a really balanced team. And Will became a rebounder 355 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: and a defensive player. You had a good backcourt there. 356 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: M yeah, you just can't. I mean the showtime Lakers 357 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: were I I know, we get into oh, you know 358 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: the U. The Warriors, now with Durant, they would beat 359 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the Bulls in the ninth of the mid nineteen and 360 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: like I, to me, it's fruitless to try to try 361 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: that argument. It's just I'd rather enjoy what I saw 362 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: because it's different now. It's just the game is played differently. 363 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: If I put the Warriors of twenty seventeen back in 364 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: the nineties, you know, Durant and Steph Curry would be 365 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: beat up. They would in Javail McGee as your big man. 366 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: They would be going, are you kidding me? That's your 367 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: rim protector? You know, Shack and Kobe who let I mean, 368 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: as far as teammates go, that's pretty spectacular as well. 369 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: So I I'd rather not do that because I don't 370 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: think there's an answer, a right answer in there. What 371 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: else do you have? Okay? Does the last Dance make 372 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan more likable or less likable? And I was 373 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: actually thinking of Seton's wife because she came with the 374 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: Seaton said last week that she's like, well, this is 375 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: a likable guy. Last night was an interesting test of 376 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: that theory too. Well. I don't think Mike wanted to 377 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: be likable. I don't think that was his goal. I 378 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: I think he should accomplish I think he wanted to 379 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: be respected, admired, feared, but liked. I know that the 380 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: commercial was you want to be like Mike, not you 381 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: want to like Mike. Yeah, seton. There's this moment though, 382 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe now, looking back, Michael is 383 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: a little different. It seems like then in the moment 384 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: in terms of wanting to be liked, because there was 385 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: this one moment where he's talking in the interview and 386 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: he says like, you know, you know, looking back, if 387 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: you want to say that I was mean or I 388 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: was bad or whatever, but that's about you and not 389 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: about me. And then he starts getting emotional and he's 390 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: like tearing up and he's like, all right, got a break, 391 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: you know. And then that's how it Edginess like, oh, 392 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: that's a break. You know, he wants to take a 393 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: break from the interview. I don't know, you know, maybe 394 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: his perspective has changed a little bit. Maybe a little. 395 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: But that's when I screamed at the TV when he 396 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: said no, let's take a break, and I'm like, no, 397 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: you want to make this a documentary, give me the 398 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: real moment here. I want my crying. I like, I 399 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: want to see behind the facade that's there. Pull the 400 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: curtain back because it humanizes Jordan, and that's what you 401 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: want in this. I mean, we've seen the tough guy 402 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: creating rivalries that weren't there. I want to see that 403 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: There's we saw him so emotional about his father after 404 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: he won the title, and that's such a raw piece 405 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: of footage there, and we couldn't understand it. We still 406 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: can't comprehend that. But I don't. I don't think Mike 407 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: cares about being liked. He wants to be feared and 408 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: he wants to be respected. He wants to be admired. Yeah, Polly. 409 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: As a Chicago sports fan, Michael Jordan was never liked 410 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: by the fans. He was admired for his ability to 411 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: what he delivered to us, wins and wins every night, 412 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: you can count on it. But he was never a 413 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: beloved Chicago's athlete, you know, like others. You know, Big 414 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: Poppy is not the best Red Sox player of all time, 415 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: but he's one of the most beloved Red Sox players. 416 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: Like Bill Belichick's not beloved by sports fans in Boston, 417 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: but he's admired because of what he does for you. Well, 418 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: it's like a Rod's not beloved now, Jeter's beloved. A 419 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: Rod was a better player, but Jeter is beloved. There's 420 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: certain players that you you separate him and Jordan's not 421 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: in Chicago now it's different. See, it's like he was 422 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: this he was a worldwide figure. He wasn't Chicago's own 423 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Maybe in the first few years he became 424 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: this worldwide athlete. He was never a Chicago's player, but 425 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: he delivered Chicago relevancy, which they didn't have basketball. It's 426 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: definitely never had relevancy basketball wise, and the eighty five 427 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Bears had that one year, but otherwise Chicago sports back 428 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: in the seventies, eighties and nineties was nothing but Mike. 429 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: And so he wasn't beloved as much as he was 430 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: admired as an icon. But why would Walter Payton beloved 431 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: because he toiled through it for the Bears team and 432 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: with hard working showed up every day and he suffered 433 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: and all. And he was a local athlete. He was 434 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: not a worldwide athlete in my opinion as a Chicago 435 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: Bears Bulls fan. But Michael's more like an icon. And 436 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: on touchwalk you wouldn't see Michael Jordan at a bar. 437 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: You wouldn't seem at a restaurant in Chicago. Never, You'll 438 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: never run into him on the street, like he was 439 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: not that of that ilk. I remember when he opened 440 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: up his restaurant in Chicago and we went in. We 441 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: were covering the NBA Finals, and we thought, you know, 442 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: let's go over, maybe Michael will be there. And so 443 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: then I event I talked to the manager and he 444 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: recognized me, and he said, does Mike know you're here? 445 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: And I go no, and he goes, oh, never mind, 446 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: because Michael was there and he had a private, private 447 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: dining room in there, and I thought, no, I should 448 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: have said, I think he thinks we're king, you know, 449 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm maybe I'm later, maybe I'm like I didn't 450 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: even think on my feet about you know, do I 451 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: somehow sneak into a dinner there with Michael Jordan. Doug 452 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: in North Carolina, Doug, what's on your mind today? Well, then, specifically, 453 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: I'm in Wilmington, North Carolina, which is obviously the hometown 454 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan, and there's a lot of pride that 455 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: he's from here, but there's also a great sense of 456 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: personal rejection. It's the senses that he's left town and 457 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: never looked back. And like many cities, we have a 458 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: local sports Hall of Fame. Roman Gabriel, Sonny Jerkinson, Trott 459 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: Nixon have all been inducted. They refused to induct Michael Jordan. 460 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: It's just like what PAULI was saying. You never see 461 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: him around town. He's kind of forgotten where he came from. 462 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: Willie Stardill the Pirates Great, grew up in Florida, played 463 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: you know elsewhere, died in Wilmington. He was inducted posthumously, 464 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: but they will not induct Michael Jordan into this hall 465 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: of fame. That's just a sense that he's not even 466 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: loved in his hometown. All right, don well, thank you. 467 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: I did not know that U. Mean spirited John of 468 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: New Zealand joins us. Hey John, what do you have 469 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: for me today? I'm sorry you called me out there 470 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: and then with the mean spirited I nearly called in 471 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: last week he apologized to not to Polly, but to 472 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Fritzie because he looked so disappointed in me when I 473 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: watched it beck on YouTube, the expression on his face. 474 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: I thought, for bad oh, when you made fun of 475 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: Paully's dead Dad. Yeah. Yeah, when when I did that, 476 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: you didn't feel bad for Paully. You felt bad for 477 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: Fritzie because all right, what's on your mind? Would be 478 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: proud of me? What's on your mind? Joe? Three quick? 479 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: Three quick sentences and then a quick And then I 480 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: was watching the final dance and it reminded me of 481 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 1: a famous Australian cricketer named Keith Miller. Was a two 482 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: way player, so he would pitch and he would beat 483 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: and he was and he was a fighter pilot in 484 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: World War Two. And he was asked after he retired, 485 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: how did he manage Prussia at the highest level of 486 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: international sports and he said, that's not pressure. Prussia is 487 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: a message Smith up your ass. And he had the 488 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: view that there is war and then there is sports. 489 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: And I was watching the final dance and I was 490 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: wanting to ask you, who've been in this business for 491 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: thirty forty years, when did it become okay to treat 492 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: people badly so long as you were winning. Thanks for 493 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: the phone call, John. This information never got out. It 494 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: was rare that anybody said anything about Michael his teammate. 495 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: You know that when it came out that he and 496 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr had an altercation and that Steve is the 497 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: one who hit Michael first, and then Michael hit him. 498 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: But it felt like it was cordoned off to the 499 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: rest of America, and just it's a different time now. 500 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: If this happened now, by the time practice ended, maybe 501 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: even not by the time practice ended, there would be 502 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: somebody tweeting or a photo of this altercation or Steve 503 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: Kerr's black eye. I mean, everything is public consumption now, 504 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: and it's right away. We needed immediate Back then, you 505 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: just sort of admired and I go back to Mickey Mantle. 506 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: You just admired Mickey Mantle as a baseball player. It 507 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: was flawed as a person, as we all are. You know, 508 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: he was a drinker, partier, womanizer. But we just looked 509 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: at athletes back then and just accepted them for that. 510 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't know when the consumption of an athlete off 511 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: the cord, off the field took shape. You know, there's 512 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: certain like Muhammad Ali. It became about him out of 513 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: the ring too, Kareem Abdul Jabbar when he changed his name. 514 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: You know it became then. Then there are people we 515 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: just viewed you as athletes. I didn't know anything about 516 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: Wilt Chamberlain or Oscar Robertson or Pete Marovich off the court. 517 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: I had no idea but then, and I don't know, 518 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: I probably would have to think about this when we 519 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: started to look at these athletes and say, I want 520 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: to know more because this is on you, the audience. 521 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: You consume it. You want to know, you want stories. 522 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: People don't want to hear about somebody on the floor, 523 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: on the court, on the baseball field. It's like, Hey, 524 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: what's he link off? What's he really like? Hey? Is 525 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: he really that? Those are the questions I get the 526 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: public consumption. That's why you have all these magazines, these 527 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: tabloid magazines. You want to know about George Clooney and 528 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 1: his twins. You want to know about Brad Pitt as 529 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: he did. I mean, it's your consumption of this that 530 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: feeds the machine, because if you didn't care about it, 531 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: then these rags wouldn't exist. Yeah. Well, I think on 532 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: a national level, when we started knowing more about athletes 533 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: was when ESPN took over in the eighties and guys 534 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: like Roy Firestone did those in depth interview shows. There 535 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: was sports coverage on a local level was very small 536 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: back in the day. But once Roy Firestone started sitting 537 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: down in as we're gonna blame Roy, maybe credit him 538 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: because you know, for thirty minutes he sat down with 539 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: athletes and I know it's polished and it's produced, but 540 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: it felt like you actually heard the athlete talk with 541 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: more than a sound bite. No, and it's and Roy 542 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: did such a great job on up close and if 543 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: you're not familiar with that interview show. And Roy was 544 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: somebody that I admired and tried to follow in his 545 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: footsteps of asking questions to get people to talk. And 546 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: Roy would have athletes on and he would have them 547 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: talk about personal things. It wasn't just what you did 548 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: third down, you know, in the fourth quarter, it was 549 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, who you were, your father, childhood, you know. 550 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: It was more of a seeing an athlete in full 551 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: and Roy opened the window to that. But you know, 552 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember. I don't know what some 553 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: of these guys were like at all off the court. Now, 554 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: you would start to hear more that the deeper I 555 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: got into this business and the more people I knew, 556 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: the more stories you would hear. Because there was this 557 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: inner circle, this inner sanctum that said hey do you 558 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: hear about? And if I if I had a dollar 559 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: for every time I was told, hey do you hear about? 560 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: I'd have a lot of dollars because there's a lot 561 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: of stories. But people are they are people, you know, 562 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: there's very few that I go that guy is exactly 563 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: who I thought he was. Dale Murphy of the Braves 564 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: is exactly who you think he was, and he is. 565 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: He is pure clean, he's a gentleman, he's everything. If 566 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: my daughter brought home a Dale Murphy personality, I'd go 567 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: sign me up. I Dale Murphy was one of those 568 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: people that you met and you went, that's who he is. 569 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: There are guys who hide behind religion that I knew 570 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: and they would always say and they would throw out 571 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: a Bible quote or they would and then you'd realize, 572 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: that is that the same? Is that the same guys? 573 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: Isn't it like it's it's just you know, we're people. 574 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: We make mistakes, you know, whether you talk about him 575 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: or not, do you want to know about him? My 576 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: brothers in law, Big New York Giants, Finns, and I 577 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: was covering the Giants back in the Lawrence Taylor days. 578 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: All they want to know about Lawrence Taylor off the field, 579 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: and and they and I said, I always say, you know, 580 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: if I'm being fair to you know, stories that are 581 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: out there, I don't, you know, there's stuff that I 582 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: just say, there's no reason why I'm sharing this, and 583 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: I shouldn't, but I'll say, you know, do you really 584 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: want to know? And they go, I don't know, Dewey 585 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: and I go, Lawrence, he's not a good guy. I 586 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: mean admire him as a football player, he not a 587 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: good guy. And you know, the people want they want 588 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: to know that, Like I know more than you do. 589 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: Anybody can see that that guy's great. But do you 590 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: know that the da da da da da. That's the 591 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: consumption we have now. Now that's why Taco Tuesday for Lebron. 592 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: We know about that, We know about you know, what 593 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: these guys are doing off the court, off the field, 594 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: because there is an audience for that. We'll take a 595 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: break Phil Nicholson next hour and Reggie Miller will join 596 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: us as well. Back after this with our play of 597 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: the day. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 598 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 599 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports 600 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: radio and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app 601 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: at FSR or stream us live every day at YouTube 602 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: dot com slash the Dan pat Show. It was a 603 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: little bit surreal with UFC because you were actually hearing everything, 604 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: and you could hear the commentary, you could hear the corners. 605 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: It was I mean, it was you had to get 606 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: used to it. And even then when I sort of 607 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: gotten used to it, it was still awkward to hear it. 608 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: But I liked it. You heard everything, you heard the punches, 609 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: you you heard the grunts. Daniel Cormiers his commentary. Fighters 610 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: were actually listening to his commentary during their bouts and 611 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: it helped them win. But the new abnormal no fans 612 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: in the stands, But you're gonna have NASCAR back, Golf 613 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: is going to be back, Baseball will probably reveal its 614 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: new plans. I'm still hearing around the fourth of July. 615 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect around then, but that's 616 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: what I keep hearing. It comes back to the fourth 617 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 1: of July. That is sort of the circle date, maybe 618 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: in pencil, not in pen But we'll update you on 619 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: what we find out and when we find those things out. 620 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: We just showed a video a picture of Todd cooking 621 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: for Mother's Day, and we guilted him on Friday because 622 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: this is all his wife ever wanted for Mother's Day 623 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: would be Todd making a meal for her. And I'm 624 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: looking at the pictures here. I don't know who documented this. 625 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: It looked like it's photoshop. It looked like it's staged. 626 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: And Todd claims that he made a meal for his wife. 627 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: And now, there were a couple of things that stood out. 628 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: You start to set the table at three forty in 629 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: the afternoon, and then you brought in the chicken off 630 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: the grill at around seven forty. That's a big timeline there, Partner, Yeah, 631 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: there are some continuity issues there, but I stand by 632 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: the fact that I cooked the meal. There was something 633 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: in there. There was like a chicken palm roll thing. 634 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: I'm not going to chick credit for that. That was 635 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: a purchase. Do you swear, if I have a lie 636 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: detector test, yes, that you did the entire meal? Would you? 637 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: I did the rice, the aryake, glazed chicken, set the table, 638 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: the dishes and everything. It was just the couple of 639 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: chicken palm rolls. The only thing. I had nothing to 640 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: do it okay, but I should have dressed a little 641 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: bit more for the occasion. And yeah, you got on 642 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: sweatpants Bill Romanowski jersey and you're in your bare feet. Yes, 643 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean that that doesn't really like could have been 644 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: a better effort. Yeah, you could be dressed up. You 645 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: could be dressed up, maybe have a nice shirt or something. 646 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't have to have a tuxedo, but 647 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: I could have met somewhere in the middle with like 648 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: a I don't know, polo shirt. I'm not saying a tuxedo, 649 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: but it would have been nice to have like socks 650 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: on or a pair of pants. Yeah, yeah, just I 651 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: don't know, just dress it up a little bit. That 652 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: was a poor effort as far as the attire. Yeah, yeah, 653 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: but you did it. I did do it, will you didn't. 654 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: No third degree burns. We didn't have to. That could 655 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: be while I thought I would if I had a 656 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: guess rot it. I made a month Mother's Day. That's 657 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: a good thing to shoot for Mother's Day twenty twenty one. 658 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: And what was the response from your meal? The kids 659 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: were very surprised and they gave me some ribbing that like, 660 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, how did that happen? And much like you guys, 661 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: I didn't believe it was actually a cook. Did they 662 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: wonder who the big man was in the kitchen by 663 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: the stove. They were a little startled by that. But 664 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: they saw the Bronco jersey and the and the old 665 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: sweatpants and the and the in the baldness, and so 666 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: they couldn't make out the figure of their dad being 667 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: in there. But it was a little startling. There's a 668 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: creepy man in our kitchen, mom, bare feet and what 669 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: is what is that? You did? Look? There was a 670 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: vagrant feel to you, like if a sports fan was 671 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: a vagrant, you were the sports fan vagrant, truth be told. 672 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: You know, I showered in the afternoon, they went for 673 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: an ice walk. I had the owner done and everything. 674 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: But you would never guess that if you had to 675 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: guess the smell based on what I was wearing, or 676 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: you would probably put off. Thank you, Dodd, McLevin. What 677 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: pole question we're you gonna go with here? I started 678 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: with the documentary You make Michael Jordan more or less likable? 679 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: More likable? Oh okay? I mean I am curious about 680 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: a younger generation who's witnessing this for the first time, 681 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: that you've heard the stories. Now you're you're seeing everything 682 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: and you're hearing the stories. And I don't know if 683 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: you go, wow, I really like that, or I see 684 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: why people calling the goat. But because I've been around 685 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: it my entire from when Michael was at North Carolina 686 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 1: to where he is now, I mean I've been fortunate. 687 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: I see you when you start your career and where 688 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: you end your career. And with Michael, you know, when 689 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: he even when he went to the Wizards, I still 690 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: was fascinated with what he did and even how he 691 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: was doing it at that age because you had a 692 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: lot of guys who were coming after him. Everybody wanted 693 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: a piece of Mike because they wanted they wanted some 694 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: retribution there. It was also pointed out to me that 695 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: when you see how small Jordan can be sometimes look 696 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: at his Hall of Fame speech like you're the greatest 697 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: of all time. He's roasting people up there like he 698 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: would never ever ever let you have final say. I mean, 699 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: all of these are Hall of Famers and he's calling 700 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: him out. Now, if somebody did that to Mike, I 701 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: don't think he would take it anywhere near the way 702 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: other guys did that. Night. It was awkward. That's an 703 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: uncomfortable moment. Yeah, set, but you see, you can't do 704 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: it to Mike though, No you can't. Well, you can 705 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: say things, you could say things, but it's just gonna 706 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 1: go right off because he knows he's better than you. Yeah, 707 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: there's some things that could probably hurt him a little bit, 708 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: a little bit, Yeah, Polly, if he were five and one, 709 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: there'd be one guy who could say something. I don't 710 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: who that guy would be mud have been Barkley, Yeah, 711 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: but nobody got that one. Phil Nicholson will join us 712 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: coming out Ben Reggie Miller