WEBVTT - Pluribus | Episode 8: "Charm Offensive"

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<v Speaker 1>Warning.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode contains spoilers for Pluribus episode oneh eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Be warned.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it is Jason Concepcion and I'm by myself.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because Rosie is not feeling today.

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<v Speaker 2>Get well soon, Rosie, She'll be fun. That's just under

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<v Speaker 2>the weather today. And our super producer, Ian, who is

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<v Speaker 2>our other Pluribus expert, is currently under active cyber attack,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly by an enemy nation state. That's Carmen's theory. Cannot

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<v Speaker 2>connect to the Internet and we've all been there, haven't we.

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<v Speaker 2>So welcome back the x ray vision of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics

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<v Speaker 2>of pop culture from my Heart. We're'll bring you three

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<v Speaker 2>episodes a week, plus neis on Saturday. Before we jump

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<v Speaker 2>in a quick product note. This holiday season, we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>shouting a couple of short stopping Steppa episodes. With so

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<v Speaker 2>many great shows and movies coming out this next few months,

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<v Speaker 2>these episodes will help us cover some extra content we

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to get on our normal episode, so

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<v Speaker 2>keep an eye out for those. But first, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>to solo this purvious episode. Episode eight of season one.

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<v Speaker 2>We open with what I think is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a important, very short detail that we see in this

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<v Speaker 2>cold open of this episode, which is Manusos, who recently

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<v Speaker 2>impaled himself on a spiny tree in the Darien Gap

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<v Speaker 2>and is now clearly suffering from a very serious bacterial infection,

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<v Speaker 2>among other things, dehydration, et cetera. Is in the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>and we see his blood dripping on the floor. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you've heard us talk about the ian stem cell theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the hive mind is going to collect this

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<v Speaker 2>blood and be able and other material as we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about in our previous Curvous episode, and I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to reverse DNA engineer the infection.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait and see. His surgeon greets him and is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing? You passed out? Do you remember anything about?

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<v Speaker 2>Like why you're here?

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<v Speaker 3>Good news.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a very serious infection, but it's responding well

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<v Speaker 2>to the antibacterials, and you're in bad shape, but.

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<v Speaker 3>We got you on the mend. Just hank tight.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to rest, don't worry about it. Well, Menusless

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<v Speaker 2>is in no state of mind to rest. He pops up,

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<v Speaker 2>grabs a scalpel, presses it to the surgeon's throat and

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<v Speaker 2>is like, I demand to pay for my medical care.

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<v Speaker 3>All the hive mind is like no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's on us. Like really, we love to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask Carol about it, Ask any of the other survivors.

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<v Speaker 2>We love to just you know, be here to serve.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, no, absolutely not, Like I'm paying for

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<v Speaker 2>this shit. There were real people before you guys got here.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are not real people. I'm not stealing goods

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<v Speaker 2>and services from the real people who you are currently

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<v Speaker 2>holding in your hive mind prison. So the hive mind

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<v Speaker 2>are like, okay, so it's like eight thousand and changed, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>can we write your receipt? And he's like yeah, great.

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<v Speaker 2>He also learns that he's in Panama. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>he's made it to the other side of the Darien

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<v Speaker 2>Gap and can basically drive all the way up to Albertquerque,

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico to meet Carol. Carol is at home hosting Zosia.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very nervous. It's quite it's quite charming, it's quite cute.

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<v Speaker 2>She makes some lemonade. Zosha compliments the the authentic Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>o'kee on the wall, and Carol tries to be like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know I'm just keeping it here, you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>safe keeping, and I'm thinking about collecting other art because

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<v Speaker 2>of She goes on to say, like wild animal attacks

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<v Speaker 2>could be the reason, like that she's gonna collect priceless art.

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<v Speaker 2>But Zosha's like, yeah, don't worry about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't care about that. I think it looks great here.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's like an awkward silence because Carol, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is still feeling things out. I think it's clearly developing

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<v Speaker 2>feelings for Zosha, but doesn't know how to grapple with

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of that. So Zosha suggests a board game,

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<v Speaker 2>which clearly she knows Carol loves board games. But they

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<v Speaker 2>come up against the problem, or at least Carol does,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, how do you play a game, a game

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<v Speaker 2>of strategy against all of the smartest people currently in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, which the hive mine are. You can't play

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<v Speaker 2>chess because the hive mind is like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how many great masters there are in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're all of them, and et cetera, and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>Risk is going to be difficult. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is a really interesting metaphor actually for the for the

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<v Speaker 2>challenge that Carol and Manuso's face in trying to rest

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<v Speaker 2>the world back from the Hive mind, if indeed they

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<v Speaker 2>want to do that, because they are up against the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest living human strategists. So they end up playing spit,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a card game kind of akin to war

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<v Speaker 2>that I used to play as a kid, and now

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember how it's played at all, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>going kind of, you know, it's back and forth game.

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<v Speaker 2>Sosha ask Carol, just kind of making small talk, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>would you want to see your cousin. Your cousin's part

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<v Speaker 2>of us, you know, and you haven't seen him in

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<v Speaker 2>a while. And Carol's like, no, you know, if he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't ever come to see me before this.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would I want that to happen now?

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<v Speaker 2>And they're having a lot of fun playing this game.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol learns that all the people in Albuquerque will be

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<v Speaker 2>back soon. They they're you know, currently coming back in

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<v Speaker 2>waves and they'll be back in you know, like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours or something like that. And she also puts

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<v Speaker 2>in a request, is oh to powerwash the white letters

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<v Speaker 2>off of her street, and it's again, it's very awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>It's clearly there's a feeling out process here where Carol is,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's cute in a way. Zosha tells

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<v Speaker 2>Carol that, you know, everything is community space now. It's

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<v Speaker 2>basically like the best version of the most idealistic version

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<v Speaker 2>of communism that like Marx and Angles like absolutely dreamed

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<v Speaker 2>about when they were in the throes of imagination. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>sleeps in the same few locations in order to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>make everything energy efficient and such. Zosha takes them to

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<v Speaker 2>the local sports arena, where Carol sees, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of people's sleeping on the arena floor, all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cuddling together, setting up their blankets. It's all very actually,

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<v Speaker 2>all very nice. There's a dog there. Zosia tells Carol

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't control the dogs, but when the dogs

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times will stay bonded to the form

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<v Speaker 2>of their former owner, and then the hive mind takes

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<v Speaker 2>care of them, which is all very sweet. So Sha

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<v Speaker 2>asks Carol if she would like to stay overnight at

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<v Speaker 2>the sports arena. Carol is like, no, I think I'm good,

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<v Speaker 2>but then she does end up spending the night. She

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just dozes off in the warmth and acceptance

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<v Speaker 2>of the hive mind. Cuddling with Zoshia, and it's clear

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<v Speaker 2>that Carol is beginning to see different perspectives on the

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<v Speaker 2>Hive mind situation. Yes, it's troubling on many levels, like

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<v Speaker 2>this is an alien invasion, full stop. They're eating people

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<v Speaker 2>like soil it green, full stop. That's really bad. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is something about the warmth, the acceptance, and like

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<v Speaker 2>the overall community that she's seeing that adds a different

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<v Speaker 2>dimension to this experience.

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<v Speaker 4>In Carol is.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly trying to process all of that, and she goes

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<v Speaker 2>home by herself, opens up her whiteboard, stares for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time at the outline of her latest waikaro novel,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know she may or may not start, but

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually moves the whiteboard aside and writes on her

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<v Speaker 2>list of Hive Mind facts. They eat people underline, underline, underline,

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<v Speaker 2>as if to remind herself, like, yes, this is I

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<v Speaker 2>can see, I can see a different side of it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm developing feelings for Zosia. Yes, like peace and the

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<v Speaker 2>lack of any kind of strife is actually quite nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see.

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<v Speaker 3>They eat people.

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<v Speaker 4>Later, Zosha and Carol.

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<v Speaker 2>Go hiking, and Zosha is just like drinking up every

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<v Speaker 2>fact about Carol that Carol shares, and Carol they see

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<v Speaker 2>a train, you know, moving in the distance at the

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the valley there it's an incredible vista.

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<v Speaker 2>And Carol's like, oh, you know, I love trains, and Zosha's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what, tell me, tell me more about this?

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<v Speaker 2>What And Carol's like, oh, do you don't know about

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<v Speaker 2>Like I must have told someone at some point during

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<v Speaker 2>my life that I love trains?

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<v Speaker 4>Did I not do that?

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<v Speaker 2>And Zosha in the hive mind don't know this fact,

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<v Speaker 2>And they're clearly there's this one interesting thing where they're

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<v Speaker 2>they know everything right, they have the totality of human experience,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can't really develop any new experiences or new perspectives,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're clearly hungry for it. Like when Carol begins

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<v Speaker 2>to share that, Zosha is like wrapped and and loves

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<v Speaker 2>hearing about this, and Carol basically says, like, part of

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<v Speaker 2>it is because the horn of a train, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the distance is the loneliest sound in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and something about that resonates with her.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a.

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<v Speaker 2>Second later, the train in the distance sounds its horn

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<v Speaker 2>and Carol asks, okay, so like how do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like how does the hive mind? How are you all connected?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>And Zosha's basically like, it's kind of like electromagnetic waves

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<v Speaker 2>that the human body gives off and receives but that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know how to access right now, but like

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<v Speaker 2>the infection has allowed us to access it, so they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of share this wavelength. They then go to get

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<v Speaker 2>massages and Carol is like, how do you experience this massage?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's like you're giving it, but you're also receiving it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're giving it to me, but you're receiving it too.

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<v Speaker 2>And Zosha tries to kind of explain what it's like

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<v Speaker 2>to be the hive mind and know at that very moment,

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<v Speaker 2>like how many people were just born and how many

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<v Speaker 2>people have died, and she she's like, there's this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I forget where it was, like Bulgaria

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<v Speaker 2>or something, who just was impaled. He'll be fine. But

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<v Speaker 2>like all of this like granular understanding of the outer

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<v Speaker 2>reaches of the hive mind, as if like they were

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<v Speaker 2>fingers and toes on a single body, really freaks Carol out.

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<v Speaker 4>So Zosha kind of sensing that brings it back.

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<v Speaker 2>To the massage, like but basically like the massage feels

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<v Speaker 2>really really good, feels great. Later, Zosha shows Carol where

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<v Speaker 2>the message, the alien invasion message originally came from, and

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<v Speaker 2>she tells her that they think, because again they don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have not received any actual information from the hive

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<v Speaker 2>mind message, it's just activated them.

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<v Speaker 4>As a hive mind.

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<v Speaker 2>They think that the original planet where the single came

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<v Speaker 2>from is like one huge ocean. So they all live

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<v Speaker 2>together in like this huge ocean. And Carol finally manages

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<v Speaker 2>to dial in the planet. It's Kepler twenty two B.

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<v Speaker 2>And the hive mind we learn on this planet are

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<v Speaker 2>so and this is what we were, right, folks, so

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<v Speaker 2>taken by the message and so thankful and grateful for

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<v Speaker 2>the unity and love and acceptance that it is given

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<v Speaker 2>them access to that they are they want to pass

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<v Speaker 2>it along. In Zosia's words, they are driven clearly to

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<v Speaker 2>at some point muster the world's resources to build and

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<v Speaker 2>other continent size antenna and spread the message. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>they want to do. Carol is a little chilled by that, clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>She then asks for more pens from Zosia, and so

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're writing, we can't wait, like a new way, Cara,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol lies and says, yeah, yeah, yeah, a new wi

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<v Speaker 2>Caral for sure, you know, Carol, And she again she

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<v Speaker 2>does spend a lot of time looking at the white

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<v Speaker 2>Carol board, but then she goes directly to her save

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<v Speaker 2>the world from the hive mind board to write stuff. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>Carol and Zosha played croquet and Zosha is absolutely fucking

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<v Speaker 2>crushing Carol because she is every croquet world champion that

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<v Speaker 2>was alive at the time of the invasion. She talks

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of trash to Carol, which I found

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<v Speaker 2>quite charming, and I think Carol did as well. Zosha

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<v Speaker 2>asks Carol what was your best writing day?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, like what was that like?

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<v Speaker 1>And why?

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<v Speaker 2>And then Carol's like, I don't know, it's hard to explain,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, do you really want to know about this?

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<v Speaker 2>And then Zosha's like, I have some place to take you.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes her to a diner that had been closed

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<v Speaker 2>for years but is now back in business and just

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<v Speaker 2>the way that Carol remembered it. And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>place where Carol began her writing journey, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how to write while having a day job. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, spending all her days at work and then

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<v Speaker 2>finding a place to write. And this diner was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about that place. And she talks about that, the

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<v Speaker 2>hive minds eating it up. And then she looks up

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, yeah, because she's talking about this waitress

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<v Speaker 2>that she remembered, who is so kind and like, without

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<v Speaker 2>knowing it helped her on her journey. And she looks

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<v Speaker 2>up and that there's the waitress. And then she's like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>holy shit, that's the waitress. And this place burned down,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't it. You You built it from scratch, did you not?

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<v Speaker 2>And Zosha's like, yeah, we built it from scratch. And

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<v Speaker 2>Carol's like, God, I miss those days. But the more

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<v Speaker 2>she thinks about it, and the more she thinks about

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<v Speaker 2>this incredible expenditure of resources that they put into creating

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<v Speaker 2>this experience and bringing back the original waitress, Carol becomes

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<v Speaker 2>disturbed and she immediately she just like leaves with Soosha's

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<v Speaker 2>very confused. The hive mind is like what happened. Sosha

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<v Speaker 2>comes to see Carol at her house and Carol is

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<v Speaker 2>drinking and she's clearly in a weird mood, and she

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<v Speaker 2>wants Zosha to use I as a pronoun, not we,

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<v Speaker 2>and Zosha really has trouble with that, like that's a

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<v Speaker 2>hard thing for the hive mind to grapple with. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Carol begins to interrogate social about the waitress. Where

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<v Speaker 2>was she before all this? What was her life like

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<v Speaker 2>before the invasion? Where was she living when you made

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<v Speaker 2>her come all the way to Albuquerque and do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Zosha doesn't deny that there's a weirdness to this, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a question of agency and all of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a kind of like chess master moving people around

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<v Speaker 2>as pieces kind of aspect to this, and she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>deny Carol's charge that actually, you're trying to distract me

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<v Speaker 2>from my mission to stop this infection, to roll it back,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't you, Like that's really what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You're presenting me with all of these nostalgic things that

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<v Speaker 2>make me think of writing, because you want me to

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<v Speaker 2>write a new waikaru and not save the world. And

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<v Speaker 2>Zosha's basically like, yeah, but also like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the many people that are part of us love why

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<v Speaker 2>Kara and they can't wait for a new wayikaro. Carol

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<v Speaker 2>basically says listen, I'm never going to give up trying

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<v Speaker 2>to save the world. Okay, are you okay with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Zosh and Zosha answers by going in for a kiss,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like super weird, big big gamble on the

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<v Speaker 2>Hive Mind's part, but it works and they get together physically,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a physical joining. Later, the Hive Mind wakes up

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<v Speaker 2>to find Carol printing stuff out in her office, writing

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<v Speaker 2>and printing stuff out, and Carol asks Oosha to read

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<v Speaker 2>chapter one of the New Wayko and it's ten minutes

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<v Speaker 2>while Carol is waiting for Zosha to finish it. But

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<v Speaker 2>then Zosha comes down and she's like, I'm blown away

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<v Speaker 2>by this.

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<v Speaker 3>Raban is a woman. Now, oh my god, this makes

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<v Speaker 3>so much sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they have like such a nerdy and fun

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about, well, how are you going to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you just gonna retck on it where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, rebooting the series, and Carol insists and this

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<v Speaker 2>is so good that no, like, actually, I can do

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<v Speaker 2>it canonically, I can do it in world using this

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<v Speaker 2>and that mechanism, and they and they're both nerding out

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<v Speaker 2>about the way it could work and how it could

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<v Speaker 2>actually happen.

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<v Speaker 4>And make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Carol then ask Zosha in the singular, like you as

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<v Speaker 2>the person you as Zosha, what did you what did

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<v Speaker 2>you like to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what were your likes and dislikes? What was what

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<v Speaker 3>were your favorite things?

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<v Speaker 2>And Zosha again kind of like stumbles on the Wei

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<v Speaker 2>versus I, but she manages to share that she loved

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<v Speaker 2>mango ice cream and that there was a guy in

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<v Speaker 2>her city that sold it, and that when she was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, she would go up to the hill overlooking

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<v Speaker 2>the harbor and she would watch all these ships coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and out, and she was like fascinated with the ships,

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<v Speaker 2>like and fascinated with the idea of who built them

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<v Speaker 2>and where are they going and who lives on them,

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<v Speaker 2>and where are all these places where they're coming to

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<v Speaker 2>and going from. And it's a really beautiful and very

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<v Speaker 2>human kind of remembrance. And in the middle of that

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<v Speaker 2>she freezes, and Carol's like, what's wrong, And then Zosha's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a visitor. And we know now that

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<v Speaker 2>Manusos is coming and we see him crossing the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a quick break and be back with super

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<v Speaker 2>producer Ian, who has figured out his Internet let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this episode that I think is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best of the season and just incredible.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the turn.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I most appreciate about it is you

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<v Speaker 2>so vividly understand what Carol is struggling with. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>the loneliness, the depression, the sadness, it's too much. She

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't she's fully cognizant that what's going on with the

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<v Speaker 2>Hive Mind is bad, but she's also seeing new perspectives

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<v Speaker 2>on it that haven't fully convinced her that it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>just forgetting about it and going with the flow.

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<v Speaker 4>But right, there's different levels to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there's this kind of clear warmth and community of

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the Hive Mind, even if it's clearly marshaling itself toward

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<v Speaker 2>the goal of building some other huge antenna, right and

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<v Speaker 2>infecting another world, But there's like a warmth to it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a community to it. There's the lack of violence,

0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the lack of you know, any kind of class race strife.

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<v Speaker 2>All the wars have stopped, and Soosha's really cool and charming,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there is that aspect to it, and it's the

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<v Speaker 2>episode does such a great job of bringing you along

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<v Speaker 2>and making you feel like, Okay, this is fucked up,

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<v Speaker 2>but also like let's just yeah, why not like rest

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<v Speaker 2>and just gather your thoughts in this kind of feeling

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. And that's contrasted with the figure Who's coming,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the blooming threat of Manuso's and.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel very, very concerned that Manuso's is coming and

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna kill Zosha. I yes, feel like that's where

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<v Speaker 2>it's going. What are your thoughts about this episode.

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<v Speaker 5>I love the episode for a lot of the reasons

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.760
<v Speaker 5>you laid out, and I think, yeah, that seeing that

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<v Speaker 5>conflict brew within Carol throughout the whole episode is just

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<v Speaker 5>so fascinating and like super relatable, and like, I think

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<v Speaker 5>if I was in a similar situation, I would probably

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<v Speaker 5>be battling with a lot of the same feelings, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it was interesting because when the episode started,

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, Oh, maybe she really is kind of

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<v Speaker 5>coming around, you know, and is kind of embracing the

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<v Speaker 5>positives of the situation that she found herself in. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>she realizes she doesn't want to be alone, she doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>want to be isolated like that. But then as the

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<v Speaker 5>episode progressed, I was like, oh, Okay, No, she's like

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<v Speaker 5>hitting them with like a little bit of a reverse

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<v Speaker 5>Uno card. You know, she's actually just doing this to

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<v Speaker 5>serve her ultimate goal of still trying to stop them.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also like she is doing that because clearly

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<v Speaker 2>she's going back and she's you know, writing all the stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>the new intel that she's learned. You know that they're

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<v Speaker 2>bent on spreading the infection that you know, the underlining

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact that they eat people, as in as

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<v Speaker 2>if to say like, don't forget don't forget about that all,

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget about this. Right At the same time, you

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<v Speaker 2>get the sense that the hive mind, I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not just like the greatest chess players, the greatest croquet players,

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<v Speaker 2>they are the most charming people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. They rizzed her up in this episode. It was crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there is this there is this like charming transparency

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<v Speaker 2>to them where they're like, listen, you know, are we

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<v Speaker 2>trying to disharpt you, Yes, but also.

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<v Speaker 3>We love Woycaro and like.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like we're loving this, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 2>way they are hanging on every word when she's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the trains, and you know that sense that the

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<v Speaker 2>Hive mind. Though they have all the experiences that humanity

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<v Speaker 2>can offer, they can't really generate new ones, right, They

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<v Speaker 2>can't generate other new perspectives, and so they were so

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<v Speaker 2>hungry for this new perspective from Carol. That was I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that is there's something intoxicating about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that Carol is going to forge get

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<v Speaker 2>about her mission, but there is also the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's working a little bit, like they can slow

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<v Speaker 2>her down for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>So when I was watching that scene, what I read was,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, obviously, when Carol explicitly calls out like you're

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 5>trying to distract me from my mission, Zosha goes in

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<v Speaker 5>for the kiss, and I'm like, oh shit, it's like

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 5>low key working. And then all of a sudden she's

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.120
<v Speaker 5>inspired to start writing again. But then after I've sat

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<v Speaker 5>with the episode for a little bit, I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>what she genuinely inspired to start writing in from that moment?

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<v Speaker 5>Or is this again Carol trying to play for d

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<v Speaker 5>Chess and his in turn trying to distract the Hive

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<v Speaker 5>mind again by giving them this new book to put

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<v Speaker 5>focus their attention on, you know, because I think maybe

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 5>that's what Carol is doing is she's trying to like

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<v Speaker 5>one up them with an even bigger distraction.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're right. I think you're right.

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I think she's playing the game for them, playing the

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 2>game back at them and saying, yes, yeah, it's working,

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it's working. I also think that, like human nature tells

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<v Speaker 2>me that people can one of the most amazing things,

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<v Speaker 2>like I feel like people can do is rationalize what

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they're doing to make it so actually I meant to

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 2>do this. I think that there's a world in which

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Carol gets so wrapped up in the writing that the

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Hive Mind actually succeeds. I mean that kiss huge gamble, right,

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 2>And I think that there's a world in which you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine Carol being actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Disgusted, Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Measure of how cunning and.

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<v Speaker 2>Good the Hive Mind are at their Ris game that

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<v Speaker 2>they took the gamble, probably with the idea that like

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<v Speaker 2>this is.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also made me think that maybe they're buying

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<v Speaker 2>time for your theory to start doing something with the

0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>stem cells from the eggs.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was, I found the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cold open of this episode it felt very important to

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 2>me seeing that blood Menusus's blood hit the floor because

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, that bloo. I think they're going to

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>collect that and any material that they got from Manusa's

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it's important to me, right, and it's

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>important detail I think that they don't. I think if

0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Manuso's could have said don't operate on me and save

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>my life, he would have. And I think they could

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>have meaningly inferred that from everything he had done up

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.639
<v Speaker 2>to that point, and yet they went against that to

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<v Speaker 2>save his life.

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<v Speaker 4>So I do kind of feel like they can immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Jump to using his genetic material in order to, I

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe stop this looming threat that they clearly

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>see coming. Like Zosha was ye troubled by his approach

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 2>in a way that the Hive mind who told Diabate

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>about Carol's approach were not, like they were a little

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>like put off, But it wasn't like like Zosha seems.

0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 5>She seems scared your thoughts Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 5>I think this is kind of ties back into what

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.399
<v Speaker 5>we were discussing on the previous episode. This is clearly

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 5>setting us up for a major confrontation when Manusos arrives,

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 5>and I think it's either gonna end with Zosia getting

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 5>seriously injured or dying, or Carol might have to fend

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 5>Manuso's off and end up maybe killing him. But I

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 5>think someone is not going to make it out of

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 5>this finale. I think it's gonna be like what you

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 5>said last week, it's going to be a careful what

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 5>you wish for situation because as we saw in this episode,

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 5>Manuso's clearly has a pensiant or a tolerance for violence

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 5>and physical harm against the Hive mind. You know, he

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 5>had the scalpel to the surgeon's neck in a way

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 5>that Carol to this point we have not seen her have.

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 5>So I think that's going to be a part of

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 5>the a central part of the conflict when they do meet.

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 5>I think he's gonna be willing to, you know, get

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 5>the job done through violent means, whereas.

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>That Carol may balk at that.

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.720
<v Speaker 5>So I think it'll be really interesting to see how

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 5>it plays out.

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am very very nervous about his appearance on

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 2>the scene, and that hostage taking scene made me think,

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've wondered, like Manuso's like, what's his background,

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm now wondering like soldier, here's the thing. Imagine yourself

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>for the first time coming to a place where your

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>decision making tells you, you know what I should do

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>is grab this scalpel and put it to this person's

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>neck to get out of here. That would never occur

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>to me. That's not a thing like, that's not the

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 2>first time he's done something like that. That's what that

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>tells me that this is a person who is used

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>to making these kind of extreme decisions.

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 3>And to your point, I do. I think he's.

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Gonna have a very militaristic idea about how to roll

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing back. And I wonder if the choice

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 2>to infect him, potentially using the genetic material that they

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>collected during his surgery. I wonder if it's going to

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 2>be put into Carol's hands somehow, Like I wonder if,

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 2>like here's what I think might happen. There's an initial

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>meeting Zosha, I'm Carol and.

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Manusos. Carol realizes.

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>How one dedicated to the cause Manuslas is, but also

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>how scary and maybe there's something that threatens Zosha's life

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 2>and maybe she's injured. And then Zosha says, hey, I know,

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>we kind of have a solution, but we can't do

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it because of consent or whatever. But we made the infection,

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and if you infect him with this, because I don't

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>think they can do it, Like, I don't think that

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>they could, like even if they make the thing.

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>They can't like inject him with it or whatever.

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think they can do that.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 2>So I think they would need Carol to do it,

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and Carol will be faced with this dilemma.

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 4>That's what I think could happen.

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>That would be really wild. Yeah, Oh that's good. Hmmm.

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because I think this episode really explored the sense

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 5>of like duty versus connection, and particularly with Carol. You know,

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 5>she has not given up on her mission to save

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 5>the world, as we discussed, but at the same time,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 5>she really is connecting with Zosha and seeing the beauty

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 5>in the hive mind like you said, and I think

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 5>she's she's torn because she's like, on the surface like

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 5>this is pretty good, Like I get it, but like

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, she still feels a sense of duty to

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 5>set the world right. And she said, even if it means,

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, I'm gonna be hated or alone or whatever,

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm willing to make that choice to fix the world.

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 5>And I think if for nothing else, just to like

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 5>prevent everybody from starving, you know, yeah, because if nothing happened,

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 5>like they're eventually all gonna die. And like I don't

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 5>think she wants them to keep eating people either. So yeah,

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 5>it's really interesting.

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>And I think I think once they begin their big

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>antenna project, you're likely to see many more people die

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 2>because I think that is they're marshaling all these resources

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and centralizing things one to keep the community efficient, which

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>is you know, it was honestly like really nice. You

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>couldn't help but be warmed by like the site inside

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the arena with everyone, yeah, peacefully coexisting and it was

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty sweet, right, But clearly that's so they can build

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>the big thing.

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Right, And I think it's very likely that.

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>That the deaths from starvation will only increase during that period,

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>And like what then I the other here's the other thing.

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I I don't know. I was putting myself in Carol's

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 2>shoes a lot. And I also think like there's an

0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>there's an aspect of like ego to being like it's

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>on me. I've got to stop this, don't you think,

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm not saying what happened? Is right, But I'm

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>also saying like it's twelve against seven billion, you know,

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>like if you go by majority rules and what you've

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of lost already, Like what do you what do

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 2>you think about that? And what would you do? Like

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>what would what would you do in Carol's shoes?

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, I think it takes a sort of

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 5>like a rational level of confidence, like similar to like

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 5>a professional athlete or something to think like, okay, like

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 5>it's me versus seven billion, but I'm there be the

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 5>one to get it done. Yeah, But I think if

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 5>I was in her shoes, I would probably do more

0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 5>of what Diabate is doing and just like kind of

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 5>try to make the best of it, because I don't

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 5>know if I would be able to try to figure

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 5>out out on my own, especially knowing that the other

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 5>people who are in a similar position to me like want.

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Nothing to do with me.

0:31:58.320 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be tough.

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I think the other thing that really scares me is

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you know that that moment where accidentally Carol caused how

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>many deaths? Did they say it was like seven million

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 2>or something?

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>It was like a lot, it was it was in

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the millions. Yeah, what is.

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>The like, what is the acceptable loss rate for fixing

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the world if you're going to fix it like that?

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>To me is the other thing, like how many millions

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>are you or hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>or hundreds or dozens, what is the number that you

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>are comfortable with losing in order to potentially put things right?

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not sure that that's like, I'm not sure

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>that's a choice that I'd be comfortable making in the

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:58.959
<v Speaker 2>same situation as Carol.

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 5>And that actually makes me think it's interesting, like we

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 5>haven't seen manusos cause that kind of like short out

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 5>to the hive mind yet, which I'm it's a little surprising.

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 5>So maybe it's something specific about Carol, But I wonder

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 5>if that maybe comes into play in the finale, Like

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 5>he does something so aggressive towards somebody in the hive

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 5>mind it causes a bunch of people to short out,

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 5>and maybe that kills a bunch of people and that's what,

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, turns Carol against him or something. So I

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 5>think it'll be interesting to see how that plays out too,

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 5>because we know, you know, they react really strongly to

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 5>negative emotions.

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Manusas is coming in with a shitloader.

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 5>Negative emotions, so we'll see if that is a factor too,

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.479
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I think it's again just setting us up

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 5>for a wild finale.

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>It's what's interesting to me is like that the Hive

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Mind or whoever initiated this signal has they must have

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>had this problem before, right, like on whatever other planet

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 2>they've managed to transform, Like there must have been a

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>handful of like immune individuals right somehow. And it's interesting

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to me that though the Hive Mind code unites, it

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>unites everyone, it has kind of like no other information.

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just basically like, okay, you're all united, and in

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that uniting they are clearly so grateful for the gift

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>they've been given that they want to send the message on.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:36.479
<v Speaker 2>But there's no script in there, no anything in there

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.720
<v Speaker 2>about how to deal with the eventuality. That's not everyone

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 2>will be transformed, and that is I don't know, that's

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me.

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's no like troubleshooting steps if something goes wrong. Yeah,

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 5>it's interesting. It is kind of like they you know,

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 5>like leaving them to their own devices. It's like, all right,

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 5>like you guys are born now here, you're out in

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 5>the world, like figure it out, you know, it interesting

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 5>And to that point, I think we did get a

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 5>lot of some really kind of big lore drops in

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 5>this episode. But yeah, it was very casually dropped and

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 5>then they kind of moved past it pretty quickly. But

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 5>I think that's a kind of par for the course

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 5>with the show, where Vince is just like, oh, yeah,

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 5>you want to know some more stuff. Here it is,

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 5>but like, that's not really what it's about. It's about

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 5>the connections between these characters. So, you know, we learn

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 5>about the planet where the signal comes from Kepler two

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 5>two six. But it's interesting that even the High Mind

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 5>is like, we don't really know much about the planet

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 5>or its inhabitants. We just know that we love them

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 5>and we're grateful to them for sharing this gift with us,

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 5>and we just want to keep spreading it out to

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 5>whoever else is out there in the universe. So I

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 5>honestly like wonder if there even was that kind of

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 5>knowledge of like what to do if something goes wrong

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 5>from that from Kepler two two six, or if that

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 5>was a similar situation where you know, the signal got

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 5>beamed to them and they just passed it on without

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 5>really much knowledge of its origin, and so I wonder

0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 5>if we will find out more about that or if

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 5>that just going to kind of be like a looming

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 5>mystery of like we don't really know where it came from.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 5>We just know we want to keep spreading it. You know,

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.240
<v Speaker 5>what are your thoughts about about that and that information

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 5>that was revealed.

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I think it's pretty fascinating. I also think that, like

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the loard drop that kind of like broke my brain

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 2>a little bit was the fact that the infection works

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>by activating a latent ability for telepathy that human beings have,

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>like an ability to mind meld over the electromagnetic spectrum

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 2>somehow that just humans are not able to uh to

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 2>interact with because it doesn't add anything or take any

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 2>It just kind of like opens up that channel. And

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>that part of it was you know, really fascinating, really

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>really really interesting.

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, when Zosha is like, oh, it's part of you know,

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 5>the human body's natural electromagnetic field, Like you have one too,

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 5>you're just like not tapping into it, that is really

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 5>interesting ideas. So I guess maybe the virus or the

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 5>code rerid it's your DNA in a way to allow

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 5>you to access that on a I guess subconscious level,

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 5>because she said there it's like breathing for them and

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 5>they're not actively using it like a radio. So oh,

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 5>and then that makes me think, is that the frequency

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 5>that Manuso's picked up on the radio? That electromagnetic frequency?

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Do we think?

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's what it is? And I think,

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, Manusa's is going to have some big brain

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 2>idea like, you know, let's go to that field of

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>huge antennas that we saw in episode one and let's

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 2>jam the signal or something like that.

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I also think that I can't wait to learn more

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>about Manusos because I also feel like the way he

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 2>he's like, how did he know this was happening? He

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>must have picked up on it somehow, and because he

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>obviously Carol has sent him information and he's watched the video,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 2>so he knows a certain amount in particular that you

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.959
<v Speaker 2>know that this is some kind of alien invasion, et cetera.

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>But he also seemed like he knew that beforehand, like

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>that there was something that had that had signaled to

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>him that something was happening. And his like rage about

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 2>that is fascinating to me. And so when are we

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 2>going to get and I feel like it must be

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.479
<v Speaker 2>the finale, right, when.

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Are we going to get a backstory?

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the backstory, It must be next episode, right, it

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 2>has to be.

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:38.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because yeah, it is interesting because in the beginning,

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 5>when we first are introduced to him, he's already locked

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 5>down in the bunker. We don't really know how long

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 5>he's been there, how he found out. But then when

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 5>he gets that first tape from Carol, he is surprised

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 5>to learn that there are other people like him. So

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 5>he was siloed in that way where he knew some

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 5>things but not, you know, as much as Carol or

0:38:55.920 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 5>the other survivors knew. But then clearly he had interacted

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<v Speaker 5>with some other people before, like like when he was

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<v Speaker 5>leaving to go on his journey and he runs across

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<v Speaker 5>a person used to be his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I think maybe that was initially.

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 5>What like clued him in or something, when he was like,

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 5>you know, my mom was a horrible person, like you're

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 5>not her. Maybe that was when it first started. He

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 5>was yeah with his mom or something, and that's what

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 5>clued him in like something is not right. Yeah, I

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 5>think we're gonna have to get some kind of backstory

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<v Speaker 5>about where he was like the day had happened during

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 5>the joining or something. Maybe we'll get that flashback in

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<v Speaker 5>the in the finale.

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<v Speaker 4>Any predictions for the finale.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, but beyond just the big conflict between Carol

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<v Speaker 5>and Manusos, I think, yeah, we'll learn maybe a little

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 5>bit more about Manusa's backstory. I think I hope the

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 5>eggs come into play because that was like a really

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 5>big detail that's been left dangling. So I think that

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 5>will come into play.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Hmm yeah.

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 5>I mean other than that, I'm like not really sure

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 5>where it's going to go, but I think we're we're

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 5>in for a doozy of a finale doozy. But I

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 5>think the main the main conflict is going to be,

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, how is Manussa's going to react when he

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 5>sees how buddy buddy Carol has become with with Zosia

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 5>and and aspects of the Hive Mind situation. So be

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 5>fascinating to see how that plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks for joining us uh and getting over the

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 2>hurdle of your wonky internet. This show is just incredible, incredible.

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 1>It's so good.

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:36.839
<v Speaker 4>It's so good.

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so much too, Like The The Clear,

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean it you'd almost call it like a seduction

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 2>of Carol by the hive mind is so effective and

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 2>well done, and them sharing things about each other is

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 2>so interesting. I mean, I can't I can't get enough.

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm like love the show and I can't wait

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 2>for the finale. I'm really really worried that Sosha is

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 2>gonna get hurt or die. I'm very concerned, yes, very

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 2>very worried. It feels like it's got to be either

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Manuso's or Zosia at this point.

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, definitely one of those two. Something bad is going

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 5>to happen to one of the two of them. There's

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 5>no way that they can all co exist, I don't

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 5>think peacefully. So yeah, we'll see what happens. But yeah,

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.839
<v Speaker 5>to the last point, you were just making it that

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 5>is something I hadn't really considered until this episode. But

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.240
<v Speaker 5>it's like, not only do they have the collective intellect

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 5>of you know, all the best pilot surgeons, doctors, chess

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 5>players in the world, but also like they have the

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 5>charm and charisma of the most charismatic people on the planet,

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 5>and they really put it on full display this episode.

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.680
<v Speaker 5>You know, even like Zosha teasing Carol when they're playing

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 5>croquet and like that's like and them like joking around

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 5>and being like humorous like that.

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 1>We hadn't really seen much.

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the little trash talk like all that stuff was

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 3>so good, and.

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 5>They really turned it on on this episode to as

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 5>Carol called out, to distract her and manipulate her. And

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was pretty sinister. Actually, the fact that

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 5>they like rebuilt the diner, moved this woman from like

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 5>Florida back to to Albertquerque just to appease or to

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 5>distract Carrol as like pretty that was pretty gross.

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's like oof.

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 2>What I find like really sinister about it too, is

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 2>that it's also sincere, like the hive mind. Are all

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 2>these people right, like they're they're they're great, They're great strategists,

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>they're great manipulators, they're you know, uh, but also you

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>know lovers and empaths and fans of Waikaro. And so

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 2>while they're simultaneously planning to distract and dissuade Carol from

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 2>going through with trying to find a cure, and that

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 2>is very sinister, there's also the level of their sincerely

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 2>falling in love with Carol. Potentially they're sincerely like interested

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>in everything she has to say, they're sincerely fans of

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Waikaro and can't wait for more, while they're also sincerely.

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 3>Trying to fuck her up.

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Like it's all of that at once, which is it's

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 2>hard to get your mind around it.

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 5>It's fascinating, and yeah, it's like it's so conflicting, and

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 5>like I can see why Carol is like so on

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 5>the fence and unsure of what's the right way to proceed,

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.120
<v Speaker 5>because yeah, I mean that would be enough to make

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 5>anybody's head spin because they're actively trying to fuck with you.

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 5>But at the same time, like they also are, as

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 5>you said, so sincere in everything that they're doing. So

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 5>it's like where does that leave you? You know, Yeah,

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 5>it's it's crazy.

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 2>It reminds me in fact of like this. I think

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I've talked about this on before. There's this book I

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>read Up the River, and it's about like colonialism in Africa,

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and the narrator talks about how, you know, how destructive

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>and oppressive like Western civilization through colonialism is there in Africa.

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>He's he's a South Asian immigrant in Africa living in Africa,

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>which is under colonial rule, and and he says like

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about like a statue that the Europeans put

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 2>up like in the town square, and he's like, you know,

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the Europeans they want they want golden slaves like everybody else,

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 2>but they also.

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 4>Want you to like be you all.

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>They also want you to look at them as like

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>these great intellectuals and lovers of culture, with all these

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>other like with all these other positive aspects, despite the

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>fact that they want to do bad things, destructive things here.

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's I think about it in the

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>same kind of way where it's like it's hard to

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 2>unwrap it all, Like the the hive mind have ill intent,

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>but they also have like good intent. They have there's

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.720
<v Speaker 2>a part of them that wants to do the best

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 2>for you and they are true and it's more than

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:14.760
<v Speaker 2>two things.

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 3>And it's so.

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Like complex to try and grapple with. I think Carol's

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:25.799
<v Speaker 2>doing kind of her best, but it must be such

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 2>an incredible mind fucking who could blame a person for

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 2>taking the diabate route where they're just like, you know what,

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't know if I can necessarily fix this,

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>and I certainly can't fix this today. So like let's uh,

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you know. Uh, let's let's play James Bond like in

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas and just enjoy ourselves.

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh man, it's just such a good show man,

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't.

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 4>Live I me neither. Finale coming up soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned x ray Vision, where we're diving into continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to dive into Pluribus as well as start our coverage

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<v Speaker 2>of Fallout season two, and on the next episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Extra Vision, we're diving into non traditional holiday movies the

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 2>whole family can joy and discussing in the second episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Fallout season two. That's it from this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for listening to.

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