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Speaker 1: Sex steps to John. Actually, I'm so set. Jaguars drawing

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Speaker 1: a time starts right now. Welcome in Jaguars Drive Time.

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Speaker 1: Our normal Tuesday morning. The look looks a little bit

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Speaker 1: different this week, thanks the coronavirus. We all three are

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Speaker 1: working from home. It's been a little difficult. We've had

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Speaker 1: to get creative. Thank goodness for technology boys. How we feeling.

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Speaker 1: How's work going? We're still getting it done well. We're

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Speaker 1: wondering since we're both homeowners and our to do lists

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Speaker 1: are incredibly long, what is someone who rents do? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what point? It's not like you have to paint or

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Speaker 1: my home. As you can see, it looks immaculate. I've

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Speaker 1: tried to cook a few new meals. It hasn't gone

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Speaker 1: to be a chef. Jechlin, Yep, coming at you live, John,

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Speaker 1: How have you been? Oh? Great? I mean it's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. When I was with the newspaper,

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Speaker 1: working from home was a very common. Yeah, you sort

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Speaker 1: so it's a little bit of a flashback to you know,

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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want an these circumstances. Would rather be

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Speaker 1: there with you guys. Absolutely, we'll get there, hopefully soon.

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Speaker 1: Let's try to create some normal see what the show

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Speaker 1: as we get into Big Things. Big Thing one, the

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Speaker 1: new normal. This is the new normal for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 1: The coronavirus has heavily impacted our work and the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: work coaches are skyping meetings just like we're skyping. The show.

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Speaker 1: Scouts are off the road. Recruiting dates are getting pushed back,

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Speaker 1: along with many other dates. We shouldn't expect this to

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Speaker 1: As of right now, Skype is the new normal. Big

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Speaker 1: thing to the new guys. Jaguars and confirmed signing two

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Speaker 1: new free agents, linebacker Joe Schobert and defensive lineman Ronney Gunter,

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Speaker 1: can expect maybe a few more moves which leads us

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Speaker 1: Minshew as the starting quarterback. But Cooky see the Jags

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Speaker 1: make moves and free agency stilly of Jameis Winston, cam

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Speaker 1: questions still, the guys, let's go all the way back

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Speaker 1: up to Big Thing one. This coronavirus, it is not

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Speaker 1: only impacting us, it's impacting basically everyone in this country

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Speaker 1: Section one mark seeing how the dust has seemingly settled

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Speaker 1: on the first and second tiers of free agency and

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Speaker 1: with the reports that Davian Clowne will likely be taking

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Speaker 1: less than what was thought to be perceived market value,

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Speaker 1: did Yawn his camp potentially overplay their hand here, John, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know it's been the Jaguars thought all along that

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Speaker 1: they offered a fair deal, maybe more than a fair

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Speaker 1: deal last offseason, and uh, it certainly looks like with

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Speaker 1: Davian Clowney not getting what's reported twenty million. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love Joan as a player, I love watch him,

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Speaker 1: I love covering him. But if Davian Clowney doesn't get

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Speaker 1: a twenty million a year, it's very hard to imagine

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Speaker 1: Unique and got Way being up in that range, just

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Speaker 1: because I don't think the perception around the league is

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Speaker 1: that he's at that level, that versatile, that dominant, all

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Speaker 1: those things. So, uh, if the reports last summer where

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars had offered nineteen million is I don't how

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Speaker 1: right they were, but say eighteen to nineteen million seventeen.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been saying a long there's a possibility

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Speaker 1: that that is the market value. So for a team,

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Speaker 1: Brian or for fans to expect that somebody is going

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Speaker 1: to come in and offer a first round pick and

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Speaker 1: have to sign Unique and got Way to five years

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Speaker 1: for ten million. No Way, Now I did with Kansas

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Speaker 1: City last year with Frank Clark. They went and gave

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Speaker 1: a first and a third to Seattle and then gave

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Speaker 1: Clark the hundred million dollar deal. But remember we're talking

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Speaker 1: in Frank Clark, a guy who was coming off the

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Speaker 1: thirteen sacks season, and there's two d and sixty five pounds.

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Speaker 1: He's more of a Josh Allen than a Unique and

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Speaker 1: Gockway type player. But still teams that have the appetite

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Speaker 1: to give up draft capital and then cash on top

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Speaker 1: of that, they are few and far between. Here's my

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Speaker 1: take on it. And got Way is a superior edge

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Speaker 1: rusher to Jadeveon Clowney. I mean, Clowney has never had

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Speaker 1: more than nine sacks. However, Clowney I think is the

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Speaker 1: most disruptive defensive player along the line in the league.

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Speaker 1: I can go back two years when he was in Houston.

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Speaker 1: They would line him up over the center. They would

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Speaker 1: put him in a standing like a monster position between

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Speaker 1: the tackle in the end. He is so long six

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Speaker 1: ft seven. His reaches, I mean it's Michael Jordan's esque,

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Speaker 1: and he's so damn tough to stop, can get his

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Speaker 1: hands up and knock the ball down. He's just a

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Speaker 1: different kind of player. And if I'm paying anybody twenty million,

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Speaker 1: I'm paying for Jadeveon Clowney because his freakish skills are such.

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Speaker 1: You can't go find that on the open market. You

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Speaker 1: can find some undersized pass rushers. Vic Beasley got what

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Speaker 1: nine point five million and a one year deal from

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Speaker 1: the other Titans, And you can say that Beasley he

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Speaker 1: had thirty seven and a half sacks in five seasons,

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Speaker 1: and Gotway had thirty seven and it happened four and

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Speaker 1: Godway had twelve sacks in seventeen. However, in sixteen, Beasley

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Speaker 1: led the league with sixteen and a half sacks. In

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Speaker 1: other words, you can find unique and got Way players

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Speaker 1: pass rushers primarily, but you don't find Jadeveon clowneys. And

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Speaker 1: if Clowney can't get twenty million, then yeah, and got

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Speaker 1: Way overplayed his hand. Yeah, the same of it is.

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Speaker 1: It feels like and got Way has been hurt by

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Speaker 1: the by all that's gone on before. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how he got the idea of that. Jaguars were trying

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Speaker 1: to treat him poorly. Um, you know, I think an

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Speaker 1: argument or the consideration has to be made that. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Jaguars were trying to be air last year

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Speaker 1: when they were negotiating a year out at whatever that

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Speaker 1: price was. You know, I just don't think the Jags

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Speaker 1: throughout this we're being as bad, unfair, unreasonable toward and

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Speaker 1: got way as perhaps he. I haven't spoken to him

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Speaker 1: about it, but perhaps he feels and some of the

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Speaker 1: fans feel. So can the bridge be rebuilt? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but on the bridge, yes, it can be rebuilt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean usually I agree with that. Yahn's a different beast,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, but you would hope. So. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you gotta give the Jaguars credit at least when

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Speaker 1: we've talked to Dave Collinell, Dug Moarn, really anyone in

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Speaker 1: the front office, they've been very open and honest that

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Speaker 1: they want to keep an eque here to whatever they

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Speaker 1: can to keep them here. They've been vocal about that.

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Speaker 1: They've been vocal about that in training camp last year.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting. And this is definitely not

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Speaker 1: the last time we talked about this. We may have

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Speaker 1: said this. I referenced spot track the Caps service earlier

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Speaker 1: and John, you and I have this conversation if you

547
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, but they value players based on you know,

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Speaker 1: what position they play, what guys with their skill set

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Speaker 1: and production or earning, and they hadn't gone is about

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Speaker 1: a seventeen and a half million dollar player. So if

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars offer really was nineteen million a year, and

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Speaker 1: I say really was, because I don't know, and Unique

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Speaker 1: has said, don't believe everything that you read or here,

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Speaker 1: But if it really was, well, then he overplayed his

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Speaker 1: hand and he missed an opportunity. Well, and maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a little more that I don't know what they offered,

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00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: but there's a faction of people out there and say, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't you just overpay? And you paid every video

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Speaker 1: hey on? I think yeah, yeah, But I think they

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Speaker 1: believe that they did try to overpay him at one point.

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Speaker 1: But I can't be there's dog down ridiculous about how

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Speaker 1: much you overpay. Hey, you can overpay for a car,

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Speaker 1: but do you want to pay double the value of that?

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Speaker 1: You know, so there has to be a limit, And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's getting lost in this. Sometimes you

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Speaker 1: can't just keep right in the checks or else. Look

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Speaker 1: come back to buy you most people. Yeah, but I'm

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Speaker 1: big money. You know you get me? Wants the check

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Speaker 1: written to her? Correct? I would love a check. Now

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Speaker 1: that I'm at home, I'll check my mailbox every day.

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Speaker 1: If you guys want to send something, go right up.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to New York City, Scott, what

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Speaker 1: do you got for us? With the Jags stockpiling draft picks?

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Speaker 1: One begins to wonder, at what point do you have

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Speaker 1: too many picks? How many players drafted in this off

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Speaker 1: season's dropped? Do you think make the opening day roster?

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Speaker 1: One thing? Don't I anticipate perhaps they'm using some of

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Speaker 1: these picks to move around a little bit. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they had another pick or

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Speaker 1: two before the draft. I don't know that, But wouldn't

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Speaker 1: shock you to see him go into this thing with, um,

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Speaker 1: you know where they're going to have twelve. I think

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Speaker 1: the answer to the second question is if they have

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Speaker 1: twelve draft picks with this roster right now, with this team,

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Speaker 1: I think all of it would make the team. I

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Speaker 1: think at thirteen or fourteen, because young players can play

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Speaker 1: special teams, you would figure a lot of those guys

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Speaker 1: are drafted linebacker depth, drafted cornerback or safety depth. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know they would draft use all those twelve players,

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Speaker 1: but if they did, you know, I think every rookie's

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Speaker 1: gonna make the team. I mean every draft picks and

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Speaker 1: make the team. It wouldn't surprises and und drafted rookies

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Speaker 1: make the team. Ryan, you wouldn't surprise me all. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I would be stunned if they didn't make it all

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Speaker 1: because this team doesn't have the additional cap room. You know,

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Speaker 1: recent years, they've gone out and signed the Jeff Swains

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Speaker 1: of the world, guys who are gonna cost him four

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year, which is a bargain for a

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Speaker 1: veteran player who's gonna come in and do a couple

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Speaker 1: of different things. He's gonna line up in the backfield,

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Speaker 1: lineup on the line of scrimmage. Oh and by the way,

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Speaker 1: playing on your coverage team. So they'll use all those picks.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget all the Soto the Dave Caldwell has the

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Speaker 1: option to use some of these picks and trade into

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty ones draft, which gives him flexibility.

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Speaker 1: So just because he has them this year, and John,

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Speaker 1: I'm like you. I think they're going to use them

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Speaker 1: to move around, to go up into the first round,

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Speaker 1: or to go back into the third, or however they

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Speaker 1: want to arrange it. But Dave, I guarantee you has

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Speaker 1: a strategy for a number of those picks to be

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Speaker 1: used to create capital for next year as well. And

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Speaker 1: let's not forget all about the offensive holes we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about that still have yet to be filled in

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Speaker 1: free agency. Offensive line, tight in, you wouldn't hate to

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Speaker 1: have another running back, quarterback, you still have so many

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Speaker 1: holes with those picks, you got to fill those hole

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Speaker 1: on offense. Hey, look, this is now officially a rebuilding

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Speaker 1: football team. If we didn't believe that when Boyer was traded,

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Speaker 1: it became clear when Calais Campbell was sent packing. Again,

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Speaker 1: I use a term that I know Dave Caldbell doesn't

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Speaker 1: like to use. He likes to talk about building, not rebuilding. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but all those picks are going to be important for

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Speaker 1: a team that this year is against the cap and

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Speaker 1: has plenty of holes on the roster to fill. The

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Speaker 1: Need's a good news on that front. Brian, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I think the good news on that front is. I

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna draft a running back in the internet,

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver, and I think they're gonna draft two

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Speaker 1: guys at this spot who they want to play pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly and running back. They're gonna want to try to

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Speaker 1: get a change of pace guy wide receiver. I think

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Speaker 1: they're going on a guy who actually plays. But you

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Speaker 1: can get both of those positions, especially in this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: You can get wide receiver third or fourth round and

636
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Speaker 1: come in and play right away. You can always get

637
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Speaker 1: running back in that spot. So the picks they've got

638
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: sort of line up with the needs. They have absolutely

639
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: a whole lot of picks coming in this series draft.

640
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Andy from Jacksonville. Well, I understand the

641
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Speaker 1: business reasons behind it. I think think trading clay As

642
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: Campbell is going to have the same negative impact on

643
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: the team as Paul Puss retiring, I know better in

644
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: presence and leadership maybe overrated, but I think puzz lesni

645
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: game is when we saw Kelvin's troubles start to show. Yeah,

646
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Speaker 1: I mean, Brian and how you feel about it, it's

647
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Speaker 1: a topic. I mean, the one thing that I would

648
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: say that Dave called one new in two thousand, thirteen

649
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: fourteen looking back was at least a small error was

650
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: cutting too close to the bone in terms of some

651
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: of the veterans that they like, go, Uh, they're gonna

652
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: be exceedingly young. I talked to Maroan about it last week. Uh,

653
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Speaker 1: he didn't really express a whole lot of worry about it,

654
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: but why would he this time of year. Not having Calais,

655
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: not having veterans in the locker room, those things do

656
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: affect a team. It's not that you can't overcome it,

657
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: but it certainly creates an environment where there is no Calais.

658
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a positor Mercedes Lewis in the last

659
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: couple of years, but there's not that old head at

660
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: each position group that the young guys can look to

661
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: and know that this is the guy who walks the walk.

662
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Offensive line has it with lender Um. Beyond that, maybe

663
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: four net, maybe Chris Conley, maybe Abrey Jones, but not

664
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Speaker 1: an incredible amount of guys. Leadership in a lot of

665
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: cases is players who just do it right. They don't

666
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: have to talk about it. Uh. As much as Klai

667
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: has talked, he also did it right where players can

668
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: look and say this guy is doing it right. There's

669
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Speaker 1: some guys, but you know, I think that is going

670
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to be a topic and maybe an issue next year.

671
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: A couple of thoughts. One Josh Allen is going to

672
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: assume a major piece of that. I think all of

673
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: us thought that he was wise beyond his year's last

674
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: year and getting one year with Calais made a big

675
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: difference to him too. A lot of the guys this

676
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: might not be the fair term, but the toxic guys,

677
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, the edgy guys, the guys that could go

678
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: one way or the other, be good or bad, are

679
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: gone now. Um, you know the majority of those guys

680
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: have been moved on and moved out. You're never better

681
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: when you release a guy to go or trade a

682
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: guy like Calais Campbell. I mean, his presence was overwhelming

683
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: at times in the locker room, but John, you heard

684
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: the whispers, as did I that last year when things

685
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: really went bad, there were guys that were kind of

686
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: tuning him out. They didn't want to hear the raw raw.

687
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: They didn't want to hear what they perceived to be

688
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: the company line. So as much of a leader as

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00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: he was for three years, he may have lived up

690
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: to his useful point in that locker room, and it

691
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: may have been time for him to move on. Yeah. Yeah,

692
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: I still think you're better leadership wise with a guy

693
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Speaker 1: like that. But I agree that you know it's an

694
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: overcomable issue, but it's clear an issue to me, Brian,

695
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about and showing us to.

696
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is the most mature rookie I've been around,

697
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: maybe since I was around Bob Sanders, the safety Indianapolis

698
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: and four. I think he was a rookie. Bob had

699
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: the ability, it didn't matter he was talking to a

700
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: thirty two year old player in the team if it

701
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: was Peyton Manning. He considered himself an equal from the

702
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: day he walked in the door. Some guys just have

703
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: that fink. I was a little cocky on that front.

704
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: It worked for him. Josh isn't cocky, but he's incredibly confident.

705
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: He knows how to lead. Guys are drawn to him.

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: To me, he's the hope not only on the field,

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00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: off the field for this franchise moving forward. I've been

708
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: fooled before. I was fooled by telling Vin. Do you

709
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: remember Paul pez Leslie's retirement news conference, He in a

710
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: suit and a tie, and he spoke like a like

711
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: the the chairman of the joint ways and means committee, right,

712
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean he spoke like a senator. And I remember

713
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: standing there and looking at him, thinking, Wow, how lucky

714
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: is this team to have a guy like Paul pez

715
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: Lesnie on the way up and a guy like Televin

716
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: Smith on the way in. And then what we got

717
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: from Telvin was anything but. Uh, State's been like he

718
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: was anything but the leader they hoped he would be in.

719
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: That will not happen with Josh Allen. We all know

720
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen is as real as it gets. I

721
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: think that he is a strong personality. You combine him

722
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Speaker 1: with the show Bert. I watched your interview with him. Uh,

723
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: he seems to be all business as well. You have

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Speaker 1: a coach that's gonna do things different now that he's

725
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: got more control in that locker room. UM. I don't

726
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: want You're not better without is, Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: I just don't want people to think that it's catastrophic

728
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: because he's playing in Baltimore now. I think that there

729
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: are underpinnings there is, there are foundational pieces in place.

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Speaker 1: They'll be okay. Will there be rocky moments. There have

731
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: been rocky moments with some of the most veteran teams

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00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: that this football team has ever had, So there moments,

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Speaker 1: Our final segment, Ashland asked, you know white boards this week,

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Speaker 1: We've got some materials. We're ready to go ash. Ask

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Speaker 1: number one. Fregency is not over. What's the Jaguars still

771
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: need to address in free agency? Fellas, let's they've addressed

772
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Speaker 1: so far. Defensive line linebacker Ronnie Gunter, Joe Schobert's heavy

773
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Speaker 1: on the defense. We've talked about having a lot of

774
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Speaker 1: offensive holes as well. John, what you got, I'm gonna

775
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Speaker 1: go with tight end. I'll preface this, t precace this.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if Sexon has index cars, but I think

777
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Speaker 1: he just tears out some notebook paper from this kid.

778
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: I have sized col Arn. I think that anything from

779
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: here on out is going to be a little anticlimactic,

780
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: unless there's a quarterback signing. But fans were wanting something

781
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: in front line free agency, first wave free agency on

782
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Speaker 1: a tight end. I never thought that was gonna happen,

783
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Speaker 1: either there or an offensive line, just because they weren't

784
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: going to set the market in those areas. But uh,

785
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: they always have the belief that they want to get

786
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: at least guys who they feel comfortable with lining up.

787
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: They haven't really done that tight end maybe Josh Oliver,

788
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: but you get figured they're gonna add something else there

789
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: with the Shaughnessy haven't been hurt last year, so I

790
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: think tight end, although I don't think the signing is

791
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: going to dazzle people. Fair enough, Brian, what you got?

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Speaker 1: All right? I'll go with the defensive back. You choose

793
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: a safety or a cornerback. Um. I think there's a

794
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: lot of draftable players on the offensive side, especially um,

795
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: the defensive side. Some more veteran leadership makes sense, guys

796
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: who have done it, been there. Um, you're gonna have

797
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Trey Herndon on one corner. Uh, you need more help

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00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: in the backfield. I like, uh, Quincy not Quincy? Um

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Speaker 1: help me? Why have I drawn a blank? The safety

800
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: from Michigan? They started in terrible. I don't know why

801
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: I call him Quincy because I was thinking about Quincy

802
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Williams going back to safety. I like Jared Wilson and

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00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison is a very talented guy but has yet

804
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: to come close to his potential. So I would say

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00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: a veteran safety, a veteran nickelback, a veteran corner more

806
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: help in the secondary because numbers are gonna have to

807
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: bear out there. Absolutely all right, Ashal ask number two.

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00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: This might not have changed, however, with the two free

809
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: agent picks the Jaguars now have, who are you taking

810
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: at number nine? We've talked about Derek Brown, we talked

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00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Simmons, talked about bunch of defensive players, one

812
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: of them being out of South Carolina. But you just

813
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: added someone on the defensive lamb with Ronnie gun Shurt.

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Speaker 1: Do you still want to go defensive line at number nine?

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Speaker 1: So what's the question? You want? Any dependsion taking it

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Speaker 1: number nine? What's the name? Sorry, was a little lengthy

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Speaker 1: of a question. Paragraph. Actually, I'm gonna say Derek Brown,

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Speaker 1: right am? I on? Yeah, you're on. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with to Uh. I don't think he's gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm assuming you have to draft up. I'm gonna

821
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Speaker 1: say quarterbacks. I'm gonna say that you that's who I want.

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00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I want the quarterback. I want the Jaguars to address

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00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: the position this year. Um, They've got the capital to

824
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: go do it. So from nine they launch up to

825
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: wherever they need to go to get the quarterback. John,

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Speaker 1: you're staying Derek Brown. I'm I'm still gonna say Derek

827
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Speaker 1: Brown because I guess I'm gonna sound like a broken

828
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: broken record on this and fancy you're tired of hearing

829
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: about it to me? For this team, I get the

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Speaker 1: R word that I'm I'm not gonna say rebuild because

831
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: fans are getting irritated for not saying it, and I

832
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: like irritating fans. So uh, But if you're gonna have

833
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: a chance to win next year, if if you don't

834
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: stop your territory there better than they did for those

835
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: five six weeks, no way do you have a chance

836
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Speaker 1: to win. So I think they're gonna go Derek Brown

837
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: or some you know, if they don't get Brown there,

838
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: they may have to trade up to get Ken Law later.

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Speaker 1: They've got to fortify themselves in the middle of the defense.

840
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Good start with Schobert. Need one more guy, absolutely all right? Final,

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Speaker 1: Ashlan ask not football related? At what point, at what day,

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Speaker 1: at what hour are you going to go insane from

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Speaker 1: being at home? Isn't in an hour, Brian? I see

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Speaker 1: your kids trying to get up right now. It's three

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Speaker 1: or four teens, So put me down for three. I see,

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Speaker 1: I see the boys trying to get in the shot.

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Speaker 1: They're found up, they're ready to go get the shot.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you guys want to where's right now? They

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Speaker 1: would be camera shy. Yeah, this is my whole ball.

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Speaker 1: This is Ryan where the job was taking at number nine.

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Speaker 1: We can take a nine. There we go pure. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to get the picture. Who you who Oh?

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Speaker 1: Colby is an Oregon fan, and he says justin Herbert, okay,

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Speaker 1: putting a little fan. Well, you know, the quarterback position

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Speaker 1: is important. So John, when are you going to go insane?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say never, you know, because he's already been

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Speaker 1: there for a long time. I've got rat dog, I've

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Speaker 1: got I've got a garage refrigerator full of easy on

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Speaker 1: the eyes from intuition. So I'm this to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: for me personally, I'm fine, So you know, bring it on. Never.

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Speaker 1: This is heaven. I wouldn't say heaven. And now other

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Speaker 1: people in my life May Goodlin saying because I'm here,

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Speaker 1: well they can just skype you and we can chip

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Speaker 1: chat at the same thing, all right, and that time digitally.

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Speaker 1: This week and probably for the foreseeable future, stay tuned

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour this Thursday. We'll be back next week

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Speaker 1: next Tuesday on Jaguars Drive Time. M HM