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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Hu, let's go, let's go. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Get my giants bubbling, give me some jokes.

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Speaker 2: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to another edition

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Speaker 2: of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 2: the official bank of the Giants. I'm John Schmelck. Very

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Speaker 2: happy to be joined by senior NFL reporter for ESPN

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Fower. Jeremy, how are you man?

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Speaker 1: I'm great, glad to beat the Giants my first camp tour.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well talk about it. So you're on the

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Speaker 2: East coast here, you're in Connecticut, So now you're heading

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Speaker 2: out to LA. You show up to the Giants as

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Speaker 2: a reporter. You're trying to get information. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: get a feel for these teams before the season starts.

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Speaker 2: So what's top of mind for you when you come here?

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Speaker 2: You show up and you talk to Joe Shane, you

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Speaker 2: talk to Brian Dabut, you talk to Daniel Jones. What

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Speaker 2: are your goals?

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Speaker 1: You know? Really my goals are to just make whatever

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Speaker 1: pertinent observations. I can catch up with some people. A

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Speaker 1: lot of times it's just sort of maintenance, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you want.

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Speaker 2: To maintain the relationship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I said, how to Brian Dable

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Speaker 1: and Joe Shane real quick, and then you know, Dale

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Speaker 1: Jones caught him walking off the field. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk to him about how I thought he did

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Speaker 1: a lot for just being eight months off a cl

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Speaker 1: He's moving back too. It's not either holding them out

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Speaker 1: really or restricting him in any way that I saw.

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Speaker 1: Even ran one up the middle of the goal line.

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Speaker 1: So I just was kind of interested in that, you know.

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Speaker 1: So anything I'm curious about I is try to follow

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Speaker 1: up on. But it's you know, it's laide alive. There's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of pressure in this environment from my standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously everyone has kind of gotten a closer

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Speaker 2: look at the Giants usually team, you know, six wins,

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Speaker 2: you know, picking sixth overall, Yeah, you're not gonna have

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Speaker 2: a million people here at camp, but I think off

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Speaker 2: season hard knocks changes that a little bit, right, So

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Speaker 2: everyone's really gotten a close, up close look what this

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Speaker 2: offseason has been. So how has that impacted you and

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Speaker 2: how you viewed the team in terms of how you've

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Speaker 2: seen the Giants off season play out up close in

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Speaker 2: personal on HBO.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I mean, I think it was funny.

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Speaker 1: Even talking to some people here, it's like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: camera's off.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a running joke, right because I guess

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Speaker 1: those cameras went off after the draft apparently, but for

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Speaker 1: March and April. You know, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: bugs around here.

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Speaker 2: Sell Mike's everywhere, my friend Mike's everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So well, it's certainly a glimpse into sort of

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Speaker 1: the strategy and the negotiation part of it, which usually

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Speaker 1: you don't get. So I thought that was cool that

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Speaker 1: the Giants were open to being vulnerable enough to do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I think a lot of teams wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have wouldn't have done that. And you know, it shows

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Speaker 1: that they were awful and awfully interested in all options

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Speaker 1: in the draft, including quarterback. And I think that was reinforced.

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Speaker 1: You know, you heard that around draft time. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was cool how much they really did kick around

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Speaker 1: ideas and look into it at the top there, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. You really walk away at least today you

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Speaker 1: have in the back of your mind. Okay, Devin Singletary

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Speaker 1: good player, So is he going to be able to

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Speaker 1: produce whatever percentage that they're leaving on the table with

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Speaker 1: Saquon being gone? And how does that money allocation work?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: So if Singletary is making a good salary but half

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Speaker 1: of what Saquon wanted, then you know, can he you know,

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Speaker 1: provide eighty percent maybe of what Saquon did or seventy

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Speaker 1: It's it looks like they will line him up out wide,

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Speaker 1: them to be better there, but they want it to

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Speaker 1: be worse. Jeremy hard to be worse. So they wanted

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Speaker 1: some decisiveness. It looked like from the quarterback spot, which

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Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 3: you ready for all that life breaks?

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Speaker 2: No question about it. From someone that breaks a ton

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Speaker 2: of news around the free agency period and you talk

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Speaker 2: to agents, you talk to GM so I feel like you,

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Speaker 2: as much as anyone that's not actually doing it, you

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Speaker 2: understand how this process works. That anything that you saw

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Speaker 2: from the inside on Hard Knock surprise you as someone

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Speaker 2: that tries to break stories, and you talk to people

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Speaker 2: on either end, then you know how this back and

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say a surprise. Uh, it was in well, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I think that one of the more interesting nuggets from

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Speaker 1: what I saw was was John Mara and him commenting

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Speaker 1: on Saquon in the room with Josh and everybody else,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it was pretty clear that from the

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Speaker 1: top they had emboldened Joe to just do his job

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Speaker 1: and do what you feel his best, which is what.

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Speaker 2: You want, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, It just seems like an interesting song and

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Speaker 1: dance because obviously the giants had a threshold for whether

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Speaker 1: they're willing to pay, but you have to sort of

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Speaker 1: tease it out and see what happens and what the

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Speaker 1: player can do with his own market. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's that song and dance of how full frontal, how

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Speaker 1: honest can you be in this conversation? So you felt

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Speaker 1: that where both sides were kind of teasing a little bit,

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Speaker 1: you know, and trying to trying to tap dance around

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Speaker 1: the conversation until you get to a point where you

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Speaker 1: have to act, you know. So I guess that's his

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Speaker 1: typical negotiation and strategy. Found I found that interesting but

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Speaker 1: not necessarily surprising.

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Speaker 2: let's go big picture here. Let's start NFC East, Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: how do you view this division? I'm gonna let's kind

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Speaker 2: of go rapid fire team by team. Le's start at

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, where there's so much uncertainty with coach Lame

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Speaker 2: dag three superstars looking for contracts. First of all, what

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Speaker 2: are you hearing about those three guys, more specifically Prescott

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Speaker 2: and Lamby as Michael Parsons. They have a couple of

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Speaker 2: years so to figure that out. Do you expect something

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Speaker 2: to happen with those two guys before the season? Who

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Speaker 2: are they focusing on first? How do you see that

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I do expect them to work something out. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, there, they've waited long enough.

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Speaker 1: Where the markets are robust, they are what they are robust.

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, I don't think he's afraid of free agency necessarily,

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Speaker 1: but he wants to stay in Dallas. So my guess

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Speaker 1: is they're gonna let to a tongue of Iloa or

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love or some of these other quarterback deals come

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Speaker 1: into place, and then Dak will jump in and back

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Speaker 1: clean up there. It's gonna hurt financially, but I think

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Speaker 1: they'll end up doing it.

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Speaker 2: How much of that is the agent trying to wait

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Speaker 2: too to do those contrasts they get them so and

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Speaker 2: he can also jump over that too, you know.

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Speaker 1: For sure there are benefits to being last. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know I think Dak has to be last,

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Speaker 1: but there are benefits to that that I'm sure he's

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Speaker 1: tough because if Dak is indeed waiting on that process

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Speaker 1: deal with Ceedee Lamb now? And how do you prioritize?

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Speaker 1: I do think Dak's more of the priority. But and

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Speaker 1: the problem is, I don't I don't think Dallas wants

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Speaker 1: what Justin Jefferson got in Minnesota. So it's like it

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Speaker 1: becomes tough. Is he willing to take just under that

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Speaker 1: for itself and the market speaks for itself, So it's tough.

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Speaker 1: I do think they'll work something out, but at least

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Speaker 1: one of the players before Week one. But they got

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Speaker 1: they got some work to do. And it's still a

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Speaker 1: good team. I mean, they're back to back twelve win

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Speaker 1: seasons coming off that. They've lost a few pieces, but

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Speaker 1: they draft well. I think they're an underrated team as

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Speaker 1: I still think the offensive line is gonna be really good.

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Speaker 1: How are they gonna run the ball? Good question with

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, that's still a question, you know, with his

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Speaker 2: Rings?

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Speaker 3: How do you have you?

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Speaker 2: Philly? They were so I mean I still think that

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Speaker 2: the most talented team in the division. Yeah, but man,

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Speaker 2: what happened the end of last year is hard to ignore.

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Speaker 2: I know they changed both their coordinators, but it was

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Speaker 2: such a collapse. Yeah, where the team that was playing

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Speaker 2: in week two just look completely different than the team

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Speaker 2: playing in week seventeen. So yeah, how do you see

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Speaker 2: that playing out with the new coordinators and howand Nick

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Speaker 2: siriann is going to try to rite that ship well.

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Speaker 1: As far as talent, they still have top ten players

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Speaker 1: at every offensive position literally, so not many teams can

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Speaker 1: say that, So I think by default they should be

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Kellen Moore will have a major say on things,

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Speaker 1: which is a departure a little bit Nick Sirianni, who's

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Speaker 1: always been very interested in the x's and o's, and

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Speaker 1: then heavily. The offense. I do believe in my senses

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Speaker 1: that he's taking a step back and they're still keeping

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Speaker 1: a lot of the principles that they ran with the

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Speaker 1: Eagles offensive Jalen Hurts and the run pass option stuff,

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Speaker 1: but it's going to be Kellimore show, and I do

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Speaker 1: think they will benefit from that as a result. Just

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Speaker 1: a new voice in there in the quarterback room. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's the defense to me is more

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Speaker 1: of a question mark because they need leaders, right You're

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Speaker 1: losing Fletcher Cox. You still have Brandon Graham, but you

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Speaker 1: need like a new kind of face of the franchise there,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the front seven. So maybe it's Jalen Carter,

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Speaker 1: who's a major talent, but they need somebody to sort

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Speaker 2: So as you now begin, this is your first stop

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Speaker 2: West Coast, see a bunch of teams out there. What

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Speaker 2: are some of the main storylines that you're trying to

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Speaker 1: Overall, Yeah, for sure. So I'll go to the West

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Speaker 1: it was first year Matthew Stafford. I'm like, this guy's

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Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, if I've been a beat writer

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Speaker 2: All right, then, final question, as you kind of embark

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Speaker 1: I mean as far as surprises, I actually think the

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Speaker 1: I think Jayden and Daniels is gonna be really good.

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Speaker 1: They have skilled position guys. Offensive line is a question mark,

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Speaker 2: I just I like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they're going to be in

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Speaker 1: I think will resonate with Justin Herbert, just that whole project.

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Speaker 1: He's an immense talent that hasn't been able to put

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Speaker 1: it all together. Maybe this is the year.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy. This is awesome. Thank you so much up time.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it, Safe travels, and everybody will see you

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