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Speaker 1: I'm Buzznight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we take a look at music history.

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Speaker 1: We talked to musicians and insiders, and on this episode,

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Speaker 1: we take a look at music history for the week

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Speaker 1: of January the thirteenth, and I'm joined at the music

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Speaker 1: History desk by my dear friend, rock fan, media personality,

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Speaker 1: former programmer and radio and also just somebody who knows

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Speaker 1: the biz and the music inside out, the one and

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Speaker 1: only Harry Jacobs. Welcome to the Music History Desk.

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Speaker 2: Carry pleasure to be here to join you.

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Speaker 3: You know, historically the beginning of January is when a

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Speaker 3: lot of things aren't going on. But we've managed to

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Speaker 3: find some things that have happened this week, and I'm

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Speaker 3: excited to talk to you about them. Johnny Cash would

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Speaker 3: be the first one, not necessarily a rock guy, but

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Speaker 3: Johnny Cash. Springsteen will often talk about that Johnny Cash influence.

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Speaker 3: And obviously he changed and spent a lot of time

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Speaker 3: doing country and Western sounding music as he's you know,

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Speaker 3: grown in his career. But Johnny Cash is at Fulsome

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Speaker 3: prison came out this week in nineteen sixty eight, probably

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Speaker 3: something that wouldn't happen today, think about it. They took

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Speaker 3: a room full of prisoners and let Johnny Cash, a

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Speaker 3: former felon by the way, play at the prison.

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Speaker 2: That was a big deal at that time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got to talk to jelly Roll way

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Speaker 1: back about a lot of different things, including you know,

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Speaker 1: his view of Johnny Cash, and I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 1: He was like he leaned right in in terms of

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Speaker 1: what a badass Johnny Cash was. And obviously Jelly Roll

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Speaker 1: has served time as well behind bars, so he had

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Speaker 1: a great for Johnny's authenticity. He even recommended to me,

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Speaker 1: And in case you haven't seen it, the documentary, the

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Speaker 1: Tricky Dick Johnny Cash Documentary.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever checked that one out?

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Speaker 3: You told me after you did the interview with Jelly Roll,

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Speaker 2: It's really well done, so Johnny.

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Speaker 1: And then of course what Johnny would ultimately end up

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Speaker 1: that TV show that Johnny had was sort of this

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Speaker 1: amazing you know, combining country and sort of Rock Americana together,

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Speaker 1: so an iconic period in music history when Johnny was

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite pictures of Johnny is that that

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Speaker 2: He looks really angry and.

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Speaker 3: He's just you know, to me that it describes the

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Speaker 3: about where we were in sixty eight that picture was

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Speaker 2: Johnny, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy three, this is the time that Pete

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Speaker 3: Townsend organized the Rainbow Concert essentially to support Eric Clapton.

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Speaker 2: Now there were a whole bunch of people that played.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Townsend Clapton played, but Steve Winwood and a bunch

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Speaker 3: of others. We learned through the documentary through the.

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Speaker 3: I believe that that was a time that Eric Clapton

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Speaker 3: in seventy three was really at the height of his

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Speaker 2: But this was an interesting time. I'm for clapped in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we knew there were problems back then.

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Speaker 1: It was certainly reported I think in you know, like

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Speaker 1: And then I remember when ultimately the Rainbow Concert was released.

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Speaker 1: the way the concert when it came out, was released

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Speaker 3: example for the rock and Roll Hall of fame, right,

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Speaker 1: It was not orchestrated and staged to the degree that

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Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He staged things and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the i that some director puts to it.

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Speaker 1: That, and as they say, the rest history, the rest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get I'm sure we'll get to Layla and

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Speaker 3: with this week as well, no doubt. In nineteen sixty seven,

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Speaker 3: the Stones appeared on Ed Sullivan and Ed Sullivan had

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Speaker 2: I guess spending time under the sheets. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I could only wish that we could have been a

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Speaker 1: fly on the wall to mister Sullivan having the conversation

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Speaker 1: I have not, but you know, uh, there's so many

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And this was tame compared to anything else,

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Speaker 2: Sixty seven This was the beginning, you know, of time

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. But yeah Ed Ed Sullivan churned

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Speaker 2: So let me give you. Let me give you two

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Speaker 3: Think about where we are now now with you know,

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty, when Paul McCartney was arrested in Tokyo and

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Speaker 2: They held him for nine days. Imagine that bag of

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Speaker 2: weed he gets nine days in Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is funny thinking about it now, but that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's another one nineteen sixty seven, another Beatles

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Speaker 2: But this is one I had no clue about.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty seven, January seventeenth, the Daily Mail newspaper, they

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Speaker 2: That's a great story.

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Speaker 1: But what was so awesome and how you know the

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Speaker 3: Johnny Rotten in nineteen seventy eight was thrown out of

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Speaker 1: You know why they kicked them out, probably something about

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's still weird enough to me. That's hysterical. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, as I was thinking about him getting kicked out

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Speaker 3: have to be to get kicked out of a punk band?

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Speaker 2: It's apparently, you know, bad enough.

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Speaker 3: And one pop culture or one historic event that happened

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Speaker 3: this week to wrap us up, January fifteenth, nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 3: was the date of the Great Molasses Flood in Boston.

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Speaker 3: Something I don't think I was taught growing up in

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Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty were injured. Pretty pretty crazy story.

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Speaker 1: I got to think that that was not the back

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Speaker 1: bay of Boston that occurred. That had to be somewhere

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Speaker 3: You know, twenty when people die death by molasses kind

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Speaker 3: of slow and painful.

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Speaker 1: It's a tragedy for sure, and traffic was terrible at

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Speaker 1: that moment and to this day it's still hillatious in Boston.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Here you go. There's the week. It's a rap.

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Speaker 1: Harry Jacobs, thanks for being on Taking a Walk for

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Speaker 1: this week in music and pop culture and Molasses History

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Speaker 1: for the week of January the thirteenth, and thanks for

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Speaker 1: checking out the Taking.

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