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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week twelve Giants Hangout brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Crestrown. My name is Madeline Burke, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Russ Salzburg and Matt Sidetek. Week twelve, the Giants

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Speaker 1: are back from the Vibe. But, of course, guys, the

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Speaker 1: big news this week is a change at quarterback. Tommy

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Speaker 1: DeVito will be the starter. Drew Locke remains the backup

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Speaker 1: in Daniel Jones no longer starting for the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: Brian Able said when talking about this earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: Matt that he wanted to provide a spark down the

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Speaker 1: stretch of the season. You know, something needed to change. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the record wasn't what they anticipated. We remember last year

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Speaker 1: when Tommy DeVito came in, you know, a Jersey guy

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Speaker 1: of Battalian heritage, very relatable for the fans. What kind

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Speaker 1: of a spark do you think that he can provide

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Speaker 1: for this Giants team?

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Speaker 2: Well, for starters at least compared to Drew Locke.

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Speaker 3: He just he has more familiarity with Brian Dables system.

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Speaker 3: I mean he started six games for the Giants last year.

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Speaker 3: Giants went three and three in that stretch. Granted the

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Speaker 3: defense did a lot of the heavy lifting with twelve takeaways,

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Speaker 3: but still the game against the Commanders last year, I

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Speaker 3: believe it was in Washington, Tommy DeVito threw for two

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns with no interception.

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Speaker 3: So he is familiar with Brian Dabeles system. And I

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Speaker 3: think another aspect which is a little similar to Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 3: that Drew Locke doesn't do as much as he can

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Speaker 2: He's pretty mobile.

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Speaker 3: I mean he can move around in his games. Last

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Speaker 3: year he had four or more carries in like six

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Speaker 3: of the nine games he appeared in. He had one

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Speaker 3: game where he ran ten times for seventy one yards.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was the Monday night game against the Packers,

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Speaker 3: the big upset win. So he's familiarity and just mobility,

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Speaker 3: which we obviously seen with Daniel Jones. But that is

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Speaker 3: the sort of spark that I think Brian Dabele believes

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Speaker 3: that Tommy DeVito can bring to the offense, and I

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Speaker 3: agree with him. I mean, Tommy DeVito has shown flashes

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Speaker 3: since last year. We haven't seen him or Drew Locks

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Speaker 3: his training camp, but I think he can you add

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Speaker 3: a little spark to the offense.

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Speaker 4: I'll agree at one point and disagree. I understand the

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Speaker 4: familiarity about it, but I think the reason and I

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Speaker 4: really believe this.

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Speaker 5: Right now, they have seven.

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Speaker 4: Games left in the season and I think what Brian

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Speaker 4: Dable needs to do he needs to seek out information.

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Speaker 4: He needs to find out what he's got moving forward

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Speaker 4: and with Tommy DeVito.

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Speaker 5: Listen, Tommy DeVito.

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Speaker 4: As both of you guys have said matt U and Mallin,

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Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito supplied gave them some spark last year, and

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Speaker 4: I think Brian Dable wants to find out and he

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Speaker 4: knows it. You know, listen, the team was in the

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Speaker 4: bummed out last year. He comes in, Tommy comes in

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Speaker 4: and provides them a spark. Well, was that a one

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Speaker 4: trick pony or can he do it again? And if

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Speaker 4: he comes in and can he do it again, well,

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Speaker 4: then maybe table find out information moving forward next year.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that he's the starting quarterback going into

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Speaker 4: the next season. I'm saying he finds out just what

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Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito is made of. And I think one of

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Speaker 4: the other reasons that he is using Tommy DeVito as

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Speaker 4: the starter right now, I think the locker room, not

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Speaker 4: that they don't like that, they don't like Locke, but

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Speaker 4: the locker.

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Speaker 5: Room likes Tommy DeVito.

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Speaker 4: They responded to him last year, and granted there are

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Speaker 4: some new faces this year, but he wants to see

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Speaker 4: if Tommy can do it again. And if Tommy can

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Speaker 4: do it again, well then maybe everybody says to say, well,

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Speaker 4: we got to look at this de Vito situation and

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Speaker 4: what about where he stands moving forward?

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Speaker 1: Well, and that quarterback room is a pretty tight room.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've talked about how well they get along

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Speaker 1: with one another. Tommy DeVito and Drew Locke have lockers

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Speaker 1: next to one another in the locker room, and Tommy

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Speaker 1: has said before that, you know, he feels like Drew

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Speaker 1: But he said that they're so similar in so many

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Speaker 1: having that And Russ you mentioned though that there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions that need to be answered about this

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season, right now. Isn't what

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Speaker 1: it that we have and what do we need to

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Speaker 1: change to move that needle to get over the hump

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Speaker 1: and to instead of losing the close games, get back

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Speaker 1: to winning those close games. And when you look at

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Speaker 1: some of the things that need to be evaluated, Russ,

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Speaker 1: like when you look at some of the areas in

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Speaker 1: which the Giants are honing in, where do you think

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Speaker 1: the focus is in these last seven games of this season.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I'm glad you brought that up. I

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Speaker 4: think it's on everybody. You know, everybody has to listen.

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Speaker 4: When somebody loses a job. I don't care if it's

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Speaker 4: a player, a coach, anybody, an executive. Everybody needs to

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Speaker 4: look in the mirror. They need to look in the

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Speaker 4: mirror and say, am I part of this? And if

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Speaker 4: I'm not part of what went wrong? I have to

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Speaker 4: be part of what went right. I think offensive line,

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Speaker 4: I think the defensive backs. I think giving up crucial

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Speaker 4: plays which the three of us have always spoken about

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Speaker 4: for the past three weeks, big third down plays, third

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Speaker 4: and longs. I think they have to improve on so

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Speaker 4: many things. You know, the one thing Dable and Shane

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Speaker 4: have said, and that wasn't just coach or GM speak.

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Speaker 4: It's not all on Daniel Jones. Okay, everybody has a

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Speaker 4: hand into two and eight. Daniel Jones is the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: So the quarterback is the one who gets the praise,

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Speaker 4: most praise. Quarterbacks the one who gets the most heat.

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Speaker 4: But now it's up to everybody, quite frankly Maddlin to

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Speaker 4: approve improve across the board. I mean, I want to

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Speaker 4: see I want to see receivers. I don't want to

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Speaker 4: see as many drop passes as we've seen this year.

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Speaker 4: We know we have good receivers. We want to see

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Speaker 4: great receivers. That's what the Giants fans want to see,

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Speaker 4: great receivers. So I think across the board improvement. Like

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Speaker 4: I say, Daniel is the one who ends up getting

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Speaker 4: a heat on this, but everybody had a hand to it,

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Speaker 4: hand in it. Now it's up to them to show Okay,

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Speaker 4: let's move forward. And I think Dabile also wants to

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Speaker 4: see how all these players respond to Tommy DeVito. Are

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Speaker 4: they going to be part of what do they call it?

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Speaker 4: Are they going to remain part of the problem or

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Speaker 4: going to become part of the solution moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, for me, first and foremost, I think we

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Speaker 3: can all agree the main focus for these last seven

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Speaker 3: one goal. I know there are probably you know a

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Speaker 3: of the matter is that is what this Giants foot

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Speaker 3: team is trying to do in these last seven weeks.

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Speaker 2: Now, part of.

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Speaker 3: It is also you're trying to win, but you're also

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Speaker 3: trying to evaluate for next year and the future. And

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Speaker 3: I think that, as Russ brought up before, I do

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Speaker 3: think that played a part in Brian Dables's decision to

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Speaker 3: go to Tommy DeVito over Drew Lock because Drew Lock

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Speaker 3: is a free agent at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: They brought him in on a one year deal. No

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Speaker 3: one knows what the quarterback situation is going to be

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Speaker 3: for the Giants next year. Could Drew Lock be back,

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Speaker 3: for sure, But there's more to gain by evaluating and

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Speaker 3: see if he can.

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Speaker 2: Potentially be in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Next year, or whether it's you know, to be one,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a bridge quarterback, whether it's the backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: There's more.

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Speaker 3: I think there's more of like a potential future for

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Speaker 3: Tommy here, and I think that's what we're going to

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Speaker 3: see a little bit more with the rest of the

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Speaker 3: going to be part of the twenty five team, part

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Speaker 3: of the future. I mean, you know, the game before

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Speaker 3: the bye in Munich was Evan Neil's first start, and

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Speaker 3: he looked pretty good actually, And he's got seven more

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Speaker 3: wasn't a fluke.

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Speaker 2: That that is he grew throughout the.

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Speaker 3: Offseason, throughout training camp, sitting on the bench the first

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Speaker 3: nine weeks of the season, and now he's ready to

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Speaker 3: him to be. Well, he's got seven games to prove it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've spoken all season about how young the

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to be a part of this. I

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Speaker 3: I can be part of the solution, as Rush just said,

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Speaker 3: instead of part of the problem. So you're obviously trying

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Speaker 2: Who is going to be part of the equation moving

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and no Matt brought up you know

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Speaker 4: the veto You know again, Drew Locke is the backup.

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Speaker 4: Drew lock was signed to be the backup. He is

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Speaker 4: still the backup, but the Tommy DeVito and going into

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Speaker 4: this season you knew Locke was the backup.

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Speaker 5: How did you view Tommy DeVito?

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Speaker 4: I think everybody was viewing Tommy DeVito as if you will.

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Speaker 5: I'll use the term project. Where does he fit?

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Speaker 4: He gave us something last year, He supplied a spark,

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Speaker 4: So let's see how we're progressing in practice and.

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Speaker 5: What we do with him.

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Speaker 4: And now the way it's worked out, he's going to

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Speaker 4: that gives Stable and Shane some information moving forward into

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know, when you're evaluating individual players, you

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Speaker 1: also evaluate them as a whole. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of individual success on this team, but it hasn't

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Speaker 1: I feel for some of these guys. I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: Already midway through the season, he's playing like defensive player

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Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned Tampa Bay sort of having

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Speaker 2: It's really been the defense.

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Speaker 2: Hadn't missed a single beat.

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Speaker 3: Uh, So this will be, you know, a good opportunity

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter what metric you look at.

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Speaker 3: This is a great opportunity for the Giants offense, now

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm glad you also brought up Tyrone Tracy, Like, like, listen,

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Speaker 1: You're a guy coming out of the fifth round set

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, but but that's exactly the point. You're

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Speaker 5: And I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Taking anything away from Elak Neighbors, but Tyrone Tracy has

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I also think when change happens.

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Speaker 4: The problem was they didn't know how to finish games,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what they say, good teams know how

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. And Russ you said something a minute ago.

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Speaker 3: I know that might you know, it's gonna that would

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Speaker 2: You worry about the draft when the season is over.

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Speaker 3: You need this team needs to start, you know, building

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Speaker 3: And it was that winning streak that they did on

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Speaker 1: Well, like you mentioned being a super Bowl favorite, there

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, saying in sports, winning builds confidence, losing goes

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Speaker 5: And you know it.

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Speaker 4: They can go into a game feeling confident that they're

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Speaker 4: I've never bought into this garbage about tanking and worrying

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that starts Sunday when they host Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers one pm kickoff. If you're going to be at MetLife,

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a lovely day for some football.

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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito QB one sterling Shepherd back in the building.

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Speaker 1: Giants Box will see if they can get the ship

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Speaker 1: a rap for a week twelve Giants hang Out brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Cresstawan for Matt Sietech and Russ Salzburg.

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Speaker 1: I'm Madeline Burke. We'll see you next week. M