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Speaker 1: Hey fans, welcome to a special edition of the Mets

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. I'm absolutely thrilled to host today. I'm Nancy Elder,

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Speaker 1: I head up the communications team at the Mets, and

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Speaker 1: a very big thank you to our regular host James

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Speaker 1: and Mark for letting us do this takeover to recognize

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Speaker 1: International Women's Day. So International Women's Day just a little history.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, the UN designated March eighth as

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Speaker 1: International Women's Day, with the purpose to uphold women's achievements,

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Speaker 1: recognize challenges, and focus greater attention on women's rights and

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Speaker 1: gender equality. So you can head over to UN Observances

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Speaker 1: Women's Day to learn more. So today, in celebration of

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Speaker 1: International Women's Day, we're going to talk about one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite topics, women in baseball.

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Speaker 2: And it's a first for us. This is the first.

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Speaker 1: Time we're doing an all women's podcast at the Mets,

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Speaker 1: so breaking some new ground here today. Some of us

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Speaker 1: are coming from you from the fantastic Clover Park in

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Speaker 1: Court Saint Lucy, where the Mets are doing spring training.

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Speaker 1: For example, I'm here in the press conference room where

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Speaker 1: we talk to the media several times a day, and

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Speaker 1: let's get started with some introests Katie, why don't you

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Speaker 1: kick us off? Katie's also here at Clover Park and

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Speaker 1: she's over in the Baseball op section, which is a

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Speaker 1: super busy part of the operation for us. So tell

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Speaker 1: us a bit about yourself and let the fans get

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Speaker 1: to know you.

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Speaker 3: Nancy, thank you so much for inviting me to be

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Speaker 3: a part of this day in this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Katie poth here.

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Speaker 3: I'm the chief legal officer for the Mets, and yes

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting in the base co operations department. I'm in

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Speaker 3: the conference room in.

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Speaker 3: I oversee the legal team at the Mets and the

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Speaker 3: legal affairs for the team.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: And Liz Liz ben is joining us from the dugout

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Speaker 1: where it's definitely going to get busier today. This is

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Speaker 1: the calm before the excitement of tonight's exhibition game against Nicaragua.

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Speaker 2: So over to you, Liz.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Nancy, thank you so much for having me on this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm excited for the nick one team to just

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Speaker 5: storm in and you know, celebrate women's stay with us.

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Speaker 5: But I'm the director of Major League Operations for the

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Speaker 5: New York Mets. I started last year, and really what

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Speaker 5: I work on is anything to do with the major

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Speaker 5: league players, So that's player contracts, transactions, and then down

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Speaker 5: to things like you know, players family room, you know,

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Speaker 5: communicating things with the clubhouse, the travel staff. So really

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Speaker 5: anything that touches the players at the major league level, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Have a hand in. Awesome. Just let us know if

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Speaker 2: you need to relocate there.

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Speaker 1: And also today we've invited a very special guest to join,

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Speaker 1: Hannah Kaiser, joining us from New York.

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Speaker 2: Pioneering baseball writer and commentator.

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Speaker 1: Hannah was here with us in Port Saint Lucy, but

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Speaker 1: she had to head back to New York. You can

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Speaker 2: So over you, Hannah.

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Speaker 6: I know, I feel like I'm crashing a little bit,

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Speaker 6: both because I'm not in the Mets and because I'm

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Speaker 6: writer at Yeah Who's Sports.

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Speaker 7: I cover for all the teams.

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Speaker 6: I do some TV work on S and Y if

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Speaker 1: We just wanted to put a good mix together to

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Speaker 2: So let's get on with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I typically get asked

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Speaker 1: And you know, from my perspective, I joined the Mets

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Speaker 3: For those trying to make every decision in their career

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Speaker 3: It really wasn't just this linear decision decision into baseball.

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Speaker 3: And I said to my husband, almost jokingly, really jokingly

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Speaker 2: So Katie, you could totally do it. I mean you

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Speaker 2: But that was my break into baseball.

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Speaker 1: So my story, it takes a family. I love it

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Speaker 1: takes a family. Yeah, that's kind of encouragement. I think

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Speaker 6: That my mom is a lawyer who has often jokingly

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Speaker 6: I should tell her, you know, it doesn't have to

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Speaker 6: I didn't know I was going to be a baseball writer.

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Speaker 1: You know, what is some of the best advice you

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Speaker 3: You get busier and busier the more you go in

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Speaker 6: the second year, I got a seasonal job working nights

441
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Speaker 6: at MLB Advanced Media in the Chelsea market, where I

442
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 6: met my husband, and it it was a tough job.

443
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Speaker 7: It was because it was you worked over.

444
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 6: The overnight shift and you were It's like, I mean,

445
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 6: it was not a tough job. It was like updating

446
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 6: the yes and s and y websites to like reflect

447
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 6: what was happening in the game. But it felt really tough,

448
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 6: and it felt really overwhelming, and it was, I don't know,

449
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 6: it felt like a lot of responsibility. And I remember

450
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 6: after the first week of doing this, I went home

451
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 6: to Philly to see my parents, and I was like distraught.

452
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 7: I was like, I don't think I could go back.

453
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 6: I'm so worried I'm gonna mess up and people are

454
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 6: going to be mad at me, and it just feels

455
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 6: so overwhelming. It was just, I mean, it was more

456
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 6: even than sort of working in media or working in sports.

457
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Speaker 7: It was just working.

458
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 6: It was like, you know, being an adult for the

459
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Speaker 6: first time, and the feeling of repercussions and all of that.

460
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 6: And my dad was sort of like, well, I don't

461
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Speaker 6: I don't know what to tell you, like, You're.

462
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Speaker 7: Going to be fine.

463
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Speaker 6: And my mom, who is not a warm and fuzzy

464
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 6: person again, said when I was forty, I made partner

465
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Speaker 6: for the first time and I had four kids under ten,

466
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 6: and she said every night I came home and I thought,

467
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Speaker 6: there's no way I can go back to work tomorrow.

468
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 6: I'm so overwhelmed. And I went back to work every

469
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Speaker 6: day and.

470
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Speaker 7: That was it.

471
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Speaker 6: That was not She didn't have any sort of like

472
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 6: there's no beautiful like and here's how I did it.

473
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Speaker 7: She was just like, go do it. Go.

474
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 6: She's like, it doesn't really And I truly have thought

475
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 6: about that so many times since that, like the feeling

476
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 6: that you can't continue, that you kind of have a

477
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Speaker 6: choice as to whether or not that that feeling doesn't

478
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 6: rule you in some ways, that like you can, you

479
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 6: can come home, And I really have sort of taken

480
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 6: that to heart, and my husband is also a lovely

481
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 6: support system like Katies, and I feel like so often

482
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 6: I come home and I let myself sort of say that,

483
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 6: I say, like, I can't do this, I have no

484
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Speaker 6: way I can do it. I'm quitting tomorrow, I think.

485
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 6: I tell him I'm going to quit after every World series.

486
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 6: I'm so tired. And I'm always like, it's fine, you

487
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 6: can feel that way as long as you don't. Actually

488
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 6: that's sort of the advice that I took from it.

489
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 6: It's like, sometimes you will feel like you just absolutely

490
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 6: cannot do this and there's no way how could time

491
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Speaker 6: even move forward?

492
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Speaker 2: You know?

493
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Speaker 6: Like I said that, I remember saying to them, it's

494
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 6: like they're asking me to speak a language that I

495
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 6: don't speak, and I don't know how I'm supposed to

496
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Speaker 6: find that in my brain.

497
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Speaker 7: I just it doesn't matter how many times I ask me,

498
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 7: I'm not going to know it. But the time moves on.

499
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Speaker 6: You got to go to work on Monday and just

500
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 6: sort of figuring out a way to keep putting one

501
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 6: foot in front of the other. It really is true

502
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 6: that like that is I felt like for so many

503
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 6: of us, and telling those stories, all of these opportunities

504
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 6: come out of just sort of being willing to show

505
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 6: up on Monday, like being like, yeah, if somebody asks

506
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 6: you to do something, if somebody asks you to come

507
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 6: talk about the paper, you present it, or keep in

508
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 6: touch or come have a conversation, like just do it.

509
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Speaker 2: It's showing up.

510
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Speaker 1: And if you got a play of the game Liz

511
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: knows about that, what kind of advice do you want

512
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Speaker 1: to pass down, Liz.

513
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Speaker 5: So I think that one piece of advice that I

514
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 5: think somebody probably told me, and I think I just

515
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 5: gathered it as I was kind of progressing through my

516
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: career is do a really really good job at every

517
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 5: task and every position that you're in, and do not

518
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 5: look towards the next one, and do not think about

519
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 5: how will this helped me get to the next place.

520
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 5: I think luckily I was never doing that because I

521
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: never knew what jobs existed in baseball, so I never

522
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 5: had this idea of, you know, I'm trying to be

523
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 5: a DM someday, and so I need to do this, this, this,

524
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 5: and kind of check these boxes to get there. So

525
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Speaker 5: I just did a really good job in my youth

526
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 5: Programs internship, and then I did a really good job

527
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 5: in my labor relations internship where I ended up kind

528
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 5: of being a paralegal and I was not a paralegal.

529
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 5: And then I did a really good job in my

530
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 5: transactions job, and then that ended up kind of getting

531
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Speaker 5: the attention of the METS.

532
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: So I mean it just doing a really good.

533
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Speaker 5: Job at every task that you have, even if you

534
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 5: hate it. There are some tasks that I really did

535
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: not enjoy doing at TOMS, but you know, you do

536
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 5: them and you do a really good job at them.

537
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 5: That's what I'll get you noticed, and that's what we'll

538
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 5: advance you at any time. I mean, we have one

539
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 5: one of our fellows right now, Rachel. She's so good

540
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 5: at everything she tries to do, and she puts her

541
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 5: hands on and she wants to learn everything, and that

542
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: is going noticed by absolutely everybody. So right now she's

543
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: actually over on the player development side in Uniform, which

544
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 5: is really cool, and she's doing a fantastic job there.

545
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 5: And she told me the other day about how she

546
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 5: was hitting fungos for the first time during practice and

547
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 5: she was so excited about it and she did well.

548
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 5: And that's because every single day at City Field throughout

549
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 5: the winter, she was hitting fungos into a net in

550
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Speaker 5: that cage.

551
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Speaker 3: And she's just a delightful person on top of it,

552
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't surprise me at all.

553
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 5: Exactly, Like she's incredible. And I think that's just the

554
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: attitude that you need to have, is just treat every

555
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: task like it's really really important. And then in addition

556
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 5: to that, though, I think another thing that I needed

557
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 5: to remind myself of a lot, and you know, I

558
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 5: still do, and I'm sure all of us still due

559
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 5: to an extent, is just being confident and knowing that

560
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: we're here for a reason, trying to shove the imposter

561
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: syndrome out.

562
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Speaker 4: Of the way.

563
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Speaker 5: We know more than we think we do. I mean,

564
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Speaker 5: I think last year a moment that I kind of

565
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 5: realized that was Buck came out to me after a

566
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 5: game and he's like, hey, you know the sixth thingning

567
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: there was a guy on third and then we didn't

568
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 5: cover the bag, and he brought up a very specific

569
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 5: scenario and he's like, what would you have done there?

570
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 5: And I actually remember watching that play and being very

571
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: attentive towards it, and I was like, actually, Buck, I

572
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: would have done the opposite you of them, And you

573
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 5: know he Buck is always right. But I think that

574
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 5: he appreciated that I thought about it and I had,

575
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 5: you know, considered all the situations and the scenarios of

576
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: you know, who was the pitcher, who was the hitter,

577
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 5: who is the runner on third? All that type of stuff,

578
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 5: But that type of thing just being confident and not

579
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 5: just kind of saying like, oh like I don't know

580
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 5: how to respond to this, or oh like you're the expert,

581
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 5: but actually having the opinion and being confident in it,

582
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 5: making sure it's backed up, but being confident in it

583
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 5: that that will also carry.

584
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Speaker 4: You far and kind of gain the respective of those

585
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Speaker 4: around you.

586
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Speaker 6: When I thought of something else I want to say,

587
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 6: because this is not a piece of advice somebody gave me,

588
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 6: but something that this is now going to be my

589
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 6: fifth season doing this job, that I have finally sort

590
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 6: of crystallized for myself.

591
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Speaker 7: And I always say it's the thing that I.

592
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 6: Would tell people, which is that when I started this job,

593
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 6: I felt like I had to do. I to be

594
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 6: so careful to hide how little I knew that I

595
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 6: didn't want anyone to ever know what I was working on,

596
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 6: anyone ever ask for help, and not in like a oh,

597
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 6: I didn't want to ask for help like I wanted to.

598
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 6: I mean, like literally, I didn't want to like tell

599
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 6: the PR people that I was coming because I wanted

600
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 6: to just sort of like I just wanted to like

601
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 6: fly under the radar until I figured it out and everything,

602
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 6: and like I didn't want to like get into the

603
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 6: etiquette wrong. Is it weird to email people ahead of

604
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 6: the time, you know?

605
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 7: So I just sort of was like, I'm gonna just

606
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 7: feel it out.

607
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 6: I'm just going to totally feel it out for a

608
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 6: year that was twenty nineteen, and so then I didn't

609
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 6: get to interact with anyone for a while, and I

610
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 6: was like, man, I really regret not drawing more attention

611
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 6: to sort of what it is that I'm trying to

612
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 6: do and being more explicit about what it is that

613
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 6: I don't know, so that way they could teach me.

614
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 6: And I truly had two years of no access to

615
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 6: sit and do and think about the fact that I

616
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 6: had not been confident enough in my ideas to be

617
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 6: upfront about them. And it's something that I'm trying to

618
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 6: be so so intentional about now, particularly going into this

619
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 6: new sort of like normal year. It's finally a normal year,

620
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 6: no lockout, no pandemic restrictions, and I'm trying to be

621
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 6: so much better about being like, let me tell people

622
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 6: what I'm working on and ask them if they can

623
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 6: help me, and or let them figure out if they

624
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 6: can help me. Just sort of be like, hey, I'm

625
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 6: really like to do story on this. Do you think

626
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 6: you have anything that fits with that, and letting not

627
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 6: being afraid that it's going to come across as stupid

628
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 6: if I need people to talk to me, because of

629
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 6: course I need people to talk to me.

630
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: That's my job completely.

631
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Speaker 1: And I think that's such a huge point, because you know,

632
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I've been just in baseball in this sense since last July,

633
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: and so I had to sort of come in and

634
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: know a certain amount of things, you know, based on

635
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: the profession I'm in from a comm standpoint, and I

636
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: brought all my enthusiasm and fandom around baseball into into

637
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: the mix.

638
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: But it was.

639
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: I was just so amazed and grateful about how helpful

640
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: everyone is in the industry about helping you understand the

641
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: nuances of the game or what happened or the history.

642
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like people go out of their way

643
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: to want to share and help, so that that is

644
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: one of the most amazing things I think about this

645
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: industry versus some others I've been in, where you know,

646
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: you sort of have to fight and earn your way up,

647
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: whereas this is I think, a much more welcoming space

648
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: in terms of people getting more up to speed about

649
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: things and knowing when to ask for help I think,

650
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: or being more direct about what you're looking for has

651
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 1: always been something that strikes me as an important lesson.

652
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: You know that we're all in charge of the kinds

653
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: of help we could use, and so why not ask

654
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: for it for more often because people are ready to help.

655
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised how ready people are to help when

656
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you actually ask for the help. And that's what we're

657
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: trying to do with this podcast is, you know, expose

658
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: different people to different types of careers that there are

659
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: in baseball, and some of our stories I know will

660
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Speaker 1: will help spark other conversations. So we're going to keep

661
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Speaker 1: trying to do these things. A lot of progress has

662
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Speaker 1: been made in this industry and other industries as we

663
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Speaker 1: look for more equity and equitable situations. But you know,

664
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Speaker 1: one of the things that I think is important to

665
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Speaker 1: keep calling out, which is why this day even exists,

666
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: in why people do these things on this type of

667
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: day or other days during the year, is you know,

668
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Speaker 1: to talk about the challenges and what we can do

669
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Speaker 1: about them. So kind of a two part question if

670
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Speaker 1: we can start with liz in and around sort of

671
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Speaker 1: what you think the challenges still are and what are

672
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Speaker 1: the some of some of the things we could do

673
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Speaker 1: to try to solve for them.

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Speaker 5: I've thought about this question a lot, and I think

675
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Speaker 5: in my last roll with MLBI to think about it

676
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Speaker 5: a lot. And I really do think that the key

677
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 5: element is just representation. I think once you're in you

678
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: don't have issues with the people that you're working with.

679
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm in there.

680
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 5: And players are asking me about their swings, pitchers are

681
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: asking me about their mechanics, Buck is asking my opinion.

682
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 5: So I mean, everybody there knows that you're there for

683
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 5: a reason and they trust you, and so you know,

684
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 5: there aren't any issues coming from the inside. I think

685
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 5: it's just outside kind of people don't know that women

686
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 5: are in these positions. It's when it's the media representation

687
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: could be better at times, you know. I give the

688
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: example to somebody the other day about how I really

689
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 5: hate when you know, the media will say, okay, women's

690
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 5: college basketball and college basketball. It's like, no, it's women's

691
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 5: college basketball and men's college basketball. You can't really put

692
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 5: the gender qualifier on one and not the other. So

693
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: I think just those subtleties have a big impact. But

694
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 5: then I think just you know, the fact that we

695
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 5: have for women on the field on the minor league

696
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: side right now in uniform, that's really cool. All those

697
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: players are now going through the minor league spring training

698
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: knowing that these women are around and for the rest

699
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: of their careers they will have had a or multiple

700
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: women coaches, and that's really cool.

701
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: So I think it's just kind of.

702
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: Making these positions more visible to people outside of the sport.

703
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: Because again, the players, they're happy with the coaches, they're

704
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 5: the coaches love their their colleagues. But it's just really

705
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: showing everybody else who was outside and not seeing us

706
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: every day that.

707
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: We're here, you belong here.

708
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 5: We're all carrying important roles and a really important part.

709
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: Of the teams that we have here.

710
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 7: Liz, that was such a positive answer. I feel like.

711
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 6: It's like we just got to let everyone know. I

712
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 6: think I gosh, I feel like I could do an

713
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 6: opus on this. I think about this a lot of

714
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 6: This is such a meta answer, but I feel like

715
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 6: the broadest way I could put it is that, like,

716
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 6: it can be really difficult to balance sort of speaking

717
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 6: up about your experience and seeking out specific solutions without

718
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 6: like marginalizing or ghettoizing yourself. I feel like I'm incredibly

719
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 6: ambivalent about these like National Women's Day, everybody tag a lady,

720
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 6: you know on Twitter, versions of celebrating women in sports

721
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: with sort of like do like I don't love that,

722
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 6: and I don't like when people participate in that, But

723
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: I also don't love the version of sort of trying

724
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 6: to fit in that is like we just want to

725
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 6: be treated exactly the same way. Don't even notice that

726
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 6: I'm a woman, because it feels like you have to

727
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 6: then sort of erase a version of your actual like personhood.

728
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 6: I thought about this so much, so I'm gonna take

729
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 6: this like a dark place. I thought about this so

730
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 6: much a few years ago, when we were dealing with

731
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 6: this sort of like sexual harassment in and around the sport,

732
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 6: particularly in media so much, and there felt like there

733
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 6: was a lot of pressure on women to say like,

734
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 6: I don't expect anyone special treatment, or just sort of

735
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 6: talk about how hard it is to avoid having men

736
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 6: fall like madly in love with you or whatever, and

737
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 6: I was like.

738
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Speaker 7: It's really not that hard.

739
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 6: If I don't want the guy to like me, I

740
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 6: can definitely make that happen. The problem is that sometimes

741
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 6: I do want them to like me. I want them

742
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 6: to like me a lot. I want them to seek

743
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 6: me out. And not only do I want them to

744
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: like me a lot, I want them to like me

745
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 6: more than they like the male reporters.

746
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 7: I want them to like me best.

747
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 6: I think that there's like a a pressure on women

748
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 6: in the industry sometimes to say like, I don't want

749
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 6: anything more than you, and I do. I want to

750
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 6: be the best I want, I want the most. I

751
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 6: want more than you, and you and you I want.

752
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 6: And I think that that can be difficult to navigate

753
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 6: without saying like give me more because I am a woman,

754
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 6: or give me special treatment because I am a woman,

755
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 6: or like me more because I'm a wman.

756
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 7: I don't want you to like me more because I'm

757
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 7: a woman.

758
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 6: I want you to think that I'm fun and charming

759
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 6: and smart and know a ton and I want to

760
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 6: be considered really, really good at this.

761
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 7: I don't want to just sort of blend in.

762
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 6: I think in any industry where it's a really competitive industry,

763
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 6: you're sort of going to run into that, which is

764
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 6: like the right balance of being like, don't you don't

765
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 6: I'm not asking people to not look at me. I'm

766
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 6: literally asking people to look at me and to enjoy

767
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 6: talking to me. But then it feels like that you're

768
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 6: not allowed to say, like, but I don't want to

769
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 6: be sexually harassed, and I think that that's a really

770
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 6: difficult I think in sort of attempting to walk that line,

771
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 6: often what ends up happening is we end up feeling

772
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 6: like we have to downplay the differences in experiences, which Katie,

773
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 6: I would love to hear you talk about this because

774
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 6: something that I have thought about so much in recent years.

775
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 6: I do not have children, but I have a husband

776
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 6: of many years, and I've thought so much about the

777
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 6: fact that is like what I one of the things

778
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 6: I think we could do differently is figure out a

779
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 6: way to make all careers more accommodating of having kids.

780
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 6: And because that feels like something that is so like,

781
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 6: if you want to be a woman in this industry

782
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 6: and you want to be taken seriously and you want

783
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 6: to be seen as ambitious, that that is somehow incompatible

784
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 6: with wanting to like prioritize having a family and wanting

785
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: to be open.

786
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 7: About prioritizing having a family.

787
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: I've mentioned in the past of people that someone you know,

788
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 6: people in the industry have asked me in passing about

789
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 6: if I want to have kids, and people have said

790
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 6: to me like, oh, that's so inappropriate, and I'm like,

791
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 6: I don't think it's in appropriate.

792
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 7: I think it's a completely reasonable question.

793
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 6: My concern is that the answer will be seen as

794
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 6: inappropriate because the answer is like, yeah, I'd love to

795
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 6: have a family someday, And I think the implication that

796
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 6: that is a taboo is in some ways the problem

797
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 6: that like, oh, they shouldn't ask you that, because if

798
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 6: they find out, then they might treat you different, like

799
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 6: find out find out that like, I don't know, I

800
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 6: want to partake in one of the most basic human

801
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 6: experiences of all time. Like, what a strange thing to

802
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 6: have to sort of downplay. I'm a little bit ranting now.

803
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: I think one of my heroes in this industry is Britgeroli,

804
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 6: who's an athletic reporter, and she has a baby. He's

805
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 6: one years old. No Storm, sorry, it's not yet one.

806
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 6: He was born in the trade deadline. He's very cute,

807
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 6: and she and I talk a ton about sort of

808
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 6: how difficult it is to take that step, but also

809
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 6: how you can't say that.

810
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 7: You can't say like.

811
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 6: I don't want to do that reporting trip, because then

812
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 6: you won't do that reporting trip. And I wish that

813
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 6: we created more space for people to talk about the

814
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 6: ways in which it is difficult to do this as

815
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 6: a woman without making it sound like we want out.

816
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: And Katie, you were talking about it at the very

817
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast, So let's dive in.

818
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know when that when the guy who hired

819
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: me at the padres asked me that question. You know,

820
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 3: this is back in nine Was it what I say?

821
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: Two thousand and three? You know, you don't ask that

822
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: question anymore. Nobody would ask that question. You know, first

823
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: of all, nobody being interviewed with I was being interviewed

824
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: at the time, right, and I basically said, listen, I'm pregnant.

825
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: I want you to know that I'm pregnant and my

826
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: child's going to be due at opening day. So I

827
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: want to make sure you know that kind of full

828
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: disclosure going in, Like I'm all in for this, but

829
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: I just want you to know if that's going to

830
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: be impactful. And he was his response. I love his

831
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: response to this day. It was, well, do you plan

832
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: on working afterwards?

833
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I do. Well, then okay, that's okay, we'll

834
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: make it work. But let me tell you.

835
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: You know, my daughter was you know, raised at Qualcomm Stadium.

836
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: I remember going into closets during games and sitting on

837
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: tubs of red vines and nursing her and then walking

838
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: out of the closet and walking around the game like

839
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: she was born in the game. And it won't come

840
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: as any surprise to you that what does she what

841
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: does she want to do? She's nineteen years old at TCU,

842
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: and she wants to be in this game. She loves

843
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: this game, you know, so no surprise to anybody, And

844
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: so like, I want to solve these problems for her

845
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: and the fact if I can and I look at

846
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: this like I'm very passionate about it.

847
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: If I can't solve it, then who the heck can

848
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: you know?

849
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: I've raised a daughter in this game, and so when

850
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: I when you ask me the question about what we

851
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: can do to make more opportunities for the next generation,

852
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: and what we can do and how can we have

853
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: you know, women like like you, Hannah, who can you

854
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: know can raise that next generation? I think the way

855
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: we do it is but we we talk about it.

856
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: I don't think we shy away from it. That's me

857
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: personally totally. I think we have to talk about it.

858
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: I think the only way you do anything and make

859
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: any progress is through transparency. And I think that's how

860
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: you how you move things forward. And I think it's

861
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: you know, if that's something that somebody wants to do,

862
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: then we then we talk about and we embrace it.

863
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: We say, okay, how do we make that happen?

864
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 3: And and that it's not something that should be shied

865
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: away from. I I share your frustration with how sometimes

866
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: the dialogue can get muddied on these issues in a

867
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: way that maybe doesn't help us all the same way,

868
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: and I think that's I think that's just a frustration

869
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: that that we all in different ways have, But I

870
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: I am passionate about it. I think, you know, to

871
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: to Liz's point, I think we need to have more

872
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: women out there doing the job. I think we need

873
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: to see more, we need to normalize the presence of

874
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: women in the game more. I still feel like an outsider.

875
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 3: And I've been in this game since two thousand and three.

876
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: So and if you know that that's that's okay, Like

877
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: I listen, I'm not saying that as like a like

878
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: a complaining thing or anything like that.

879
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: It's just the reality. And like there's still I'm.

880
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: In an organization that supports me, embraces me, does something

881
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: like this celebrates But I don't think we should just

882
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: celebrate like women. I think we should celebrate success, right,

883
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: and we should like women are part of that success,

884
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: But we need to celebrate the women alongside the men.

885
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: Right.

886
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: So if I've got four women in uniform out there,

887
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: I want to show them along with all the men

888
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: out there, and I want the men supporting the women

889
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: who were out there and telling those stories and normalizing

890
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: that conversation. I think that we do a good job

891
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: at that, and I think that helps advance it. You know,

892
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: my big dream for the sport is that ultimately we

893
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: have more women owning teams, because I think that's that's

894
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: the big change. You know, you have we have Alex

895
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: Cohen and you know she's an amazing owner. But I

896
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: think when you see big change, you see all these

897
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: women buying soccer teams and getting more involved in the

898
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: Women's Soccer League. And I think in baseball, when you

899
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, my big dream, if you can have those

900
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: grandiose dreams. I know there are women like us and

901
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: out there who love the sport. And I know there's

902
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: like a lot of super wealthy women out there who

903
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: want to maybe buy a team, and you know, I

904
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: want to find them and say, good, buy a team,

905
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: go by a team, make such change.

906
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, go talk more girls about

907
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: playing in baseball.

908
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: We'll talk more broadly about you know.

909
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: I think that's where the challenge is also the opportunity,

910
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: and you know, creating awareness around things is certainly part

911
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: of the conversation.

912
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: That's why we want to do things like that.

913
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: But talking about the tougher issues, that's the only way

914
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: I've ever been in the middle of something, whether it's

915
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: personal or professional, that you actually ever see anything change,

916
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: and you know, not an overnight not never an overnight thing.

917
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: And we all have our own versions.

918
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 5: Something else that I just want to add too, is

919
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 5: I think that's something that's really cool is that because

920
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 5: there haven't been that many women in our positions yet.

921
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 5: I mean, I think for Katie, Hannah and Nancy, I

922
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 5: mean all of us, is that the women who are

923
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: kind of coming before us and us we really are.

924
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: I hate seeing this blazing a trail, but I also

925
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: mean that on a really practical level. So coming into

926
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: this job, one of the people who I look up

927
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: to the most in all of baseball is Gene Afterman,

928
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: who's the assistant general manager and vice president of the

929
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 5: Yankees seenior vice president of the Yankees. She's an credible person.

930
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: But she said once, I don't know if it was

931
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 5: a direct conversation when I heard speak once that she

932
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 5: when she was at Yankee Stadium every day, she would

933
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 5: make a point of going on the field during batting

934
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 5: practice and address and heels every day so that everybody

935
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: in the stadium could see that there is a woman

936
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 5: working for the Yankees in address and heels on the

937
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 5: field during batting practice every day, and that really stuck

938
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: with me, and now I think, Okay, that kind of

939
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 5: gives me permission to you know, I'm not wearing address

940
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: and heels to sell my style, but I'm going on

941
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 5: the field during batting practice and I'm talking to our

942
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 5: coaches and I'm talking to the players, media, the trainers, everybody,

943
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: And I think it's nice to be able to kind

944
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 5: of normalize that. And then I also know that, you know,

945
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 5: the Rachels of the world are Brooklyn Cavell, who I

946
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 5: always describe as like the glue who holds together the.

947
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: New York MAT's view, she's amazing.

948
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 5: When they're trying to kind of you know, advance in

949
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: their careers or become around or you know, go around

950
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 5: the baseball team more, they have you know, me to

951
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 5: look up to, because I had Gene to look up

952
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: to who is on the field doing these things, having

953
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 5: these conversations. And so it is cool to see how

954
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 5: our direct actions and kind of the routine now we

955
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: create can directly help the people who are there, either

956
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 5: or our organization or another one kind of figure out

957
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 5: their routine and again make it normal that I'm standing

958
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: there and talking about swings with these guys when there's

959
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: a bunch of media around. There are a bunch of

960
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: fans in the stands who are seeing me, you know,

961
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 5: leaning against the turtle, and I think that that probably

962
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 5: has even if they're not noticing it actively, it has

963
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 5: kind of this implicit effect on them where it's like, oh, yeah,

964
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 5: there's the Mets staff and it happens to include this

965
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 5: woman in a ponytail.

966
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 6: And Nancy, I love that you're doing this, and Liza,

967
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 6: I love that you've shouted out Geene Efferman because I

968
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 6: think that, like one of the other things that comes

969
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 6: up a lot, when when kim On got the Marlins

970
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 6: job and she was the first woman GM of a

971
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 6: man of a male professional sport, there was it felt

972
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 6: like lots of people wrote there was this one particular

973
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 6: line that came up all the time, which was like

974
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 6: every little girl at home watching TV seasons, and it

975
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 6: made me mad because I thought, like, what about all

976
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 6: the women who are older than little girls who do this.

977
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 6: There are plenty of women in middle management or working

978
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 6: in the minor leagues or have been doing this for

979
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 6: a very long time. I think sometimes there is a

980
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 6: version of patronizing feminism that men do that is like,

981
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 6: I want things to be different for the next generation.

982
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I want things to be different for

983
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 6: this generation. In fact, I want things to be.

984
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 7: Different for people who are older. Now.

985
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 6: I think that that there's I don't want us to

986
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 6: settle for this idea that like someday a little girl.

987
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 6: That's why I love Katie that you were like, I

988
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 6: want women to own baseball teams. I want to target

989
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 6: the adult successful, rich, like maybe they're in their sixties,

990
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 6: Like not just like.

991
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: It's started now, get into baseball now, you billionaire women.

992
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 6: That like you, don't it doesn't have to just sort

993
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 6: of be this like, oh, wouldn't it be cute if

994
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 6: a little girl dreamed of being a baseball coach today?

995
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 6: Like wouldn't it be great if we elevated the women

996
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 6: who are already coaches in the minor leagues?

997
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 7: Or we also just celebrated the women who do.

998
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 6: Jobs that are not GM like Geene Eferman has been

999
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 6: doing this for a very long time. Just because she's

1000
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 6: not Brian Cashman doesn't mean that sort of her contributions

1001
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 6: are we love the first and the only and the

1002
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 6: next but like Geene Everman, she's just a boss who

1003
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 6: has been doing this for a long time. It's her

1004
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 6: regular job. It's not like some diversity hire or some

1005
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 6: cute thing or some.

1006
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 7: Like someday thing. It's like that, that's this true job.

1007
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 6: The Yankees are a very good team and they trust her,

1008
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 6: and she's worked for them for a very long time.

1009
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 6: And I think the credit to the Mets.

1010
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 7: All of you and more.

1011
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 6: There are all these examples of like not doing it

1012
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 6: for the for the yeah, not doing it for the

1013
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 6: trendiness of hiring a woman, just doing it, just putting

1014
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 6: them in the positions where they make sense. Whether that's

1015
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 6: like lawyers or coaches or communications professionals. There are a

1016
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 6: lot of positions that women can do totally competent.

1017
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: No, I had no idea earlier in my career that

1018
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I could actually have a career in baseball, you know what.

1019
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to play baseball, but I couldn't play baseball.

1020
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: I played softball, and then I got into the corporate world.

1021
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: I got into communications. I worked in a bunch of

1022
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: different industries and then finally more in sports. But I

1023
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: never really knew that I could have a job like this.

1024
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: You know, and so that is that is part of

1025
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: it too, you know. And I'm not early in my career,

1026
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: so it can happen any day at any time, and

1027
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: it's kind.

1028
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: Of never too late.

1029
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: So you know, just figure out what you want to

1030
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: do that seems to be the moral of the story,

1031
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: and go do it, show up, ask questions, ask for help,

1032
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, get everything that you need out.

1033
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: Of it, because we all we all deserve that.

1034
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: So one of the things I wanted to end on,

1035
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: because unfortunately we're running out a little bit of time here,

1036
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: is just to have a little fun because so much

1037
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: of what happens around here is about baseball. And if

1038
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: we were imagining us walking out to the.

1039
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: Plate right now, what would your walk up song be?

1040
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 5: Liz Okay, so I have two plus the story, so

1041
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 5: one it would be something Bad by Carrie Anderwood and

1042
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 5: Miranda Lambert because it's a great women's song, but also

1043
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 5: my actual them up song. So I still play baseball.

1044
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 5: It's mostly Dominican Men's League in the Bronx. Hannah's Usban

1045
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 5: actually plays in the league, which is fun, but I'm

1046
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 5: one of two female players in the league. So my

1047
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 5: kind of pump up song when I'm actually like getting

1048
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 5: ready and getting warmed to pitch is till I collapse

1049
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 5: by eminem. I'm a big, you know, have a rapper

1050
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 5: scream in my ear to pump me up kind of person.

1051
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 4: So those are my two. I do have a story though.

1052
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 5: So my first year in the league, you know, played

1053
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: it did well, and then I got kind of bumped

1054
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 5: up to the higher division in the league. So there's

1055
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 5: two divisions. I got put on the higher division. Everybody

1056
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: was freaking out. They're like, oh, well, like this girl's

1057
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 5: going to pitch on opening day for the team and

1058
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: the higher division.

1059
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: That's never happened before. I mean, me playing at all

1060
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: in the league never happened before.

1061
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 5: But the higher division was kind of a big deal

1062
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 5: for them. We have our regular home field, we have

1063
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 5: kind of a little locker room clubhouse situation, and we

1064
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 5: also have speakers. So they asked me, what do you

1065
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: want your walkout song to be for you know, home

1066
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 5: starting picture for the season for the league. You're the

1067
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 5: first girl to do this, woman to do this, So

1068
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 5: I said, you know, let's do till I claps because

1069
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: that's my actual pump up song. I knew the guys

1070
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: at this point, they respect me, which is why this

1071
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 5: is hilarious. I go out there, I'm like, head down,

1072
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 5: just pumped up, going after it, and then Barbie Girl

1073
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 5: comes on.

1074
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: Hey, barb Barbie's coder. Now Barbie went.

1075
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: To the movie, Barbie is a coder.

1076
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 5: Barbie is now a picture in the New York City

1077
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 5: Metro Baseball League. But it was a hilarious moment for

1078
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 5: me because you know, it was it was hilarious as

1079
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 5: pointing out that I was a girl, but it was

1080
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 5: in a way that I thought it was hilarious and

1081
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 5: so welcoming and just them embracing me being there. But again,

1082
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 5: it was days thinking yeah, until I claps like the

1083
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 5: eminem beats drop and then it was Barbie Girl.

1084
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: Good one and good one. How about you? Katie.

1085
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: So all my years in baseball, nobody had asked me this,

1086
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: and then in the last two weeks this has been

1087
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: twice somebody's asked me this. So so everything's a story

1088
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: with me too. I've done a fair amount of shuttling

1089
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: of my kids around sporting events activities.

1090
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: Both of them love music distinctly.

1091
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: Different genres, but there's one song that they both can

1092
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: agree on and they like it loud and they like

1093
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: it hype, and they introduced it to me going to games,

1094
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: and it's Mackelmore's Downtown, so it has a beat and

1095
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: at the beginning that gets us going.

1096
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: It's a hype song.

1097
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: Just a cautionary note, it can get a little bit

1098
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: r rated, but it's it's our hype song. So we're

1099
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: we're I'm going with mackelmore Downtown.

1100
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: Good one little caveat yep kind of how about you?

1101
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 6: I wish I had a better answer that Liz told

1102
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 6: me she had too, and I was like, I don't

1103
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 6: even have a good one.

1104
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 7: But I too. Again, sometimes people ask you this.

1105
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 6: In the course of working in baseball, and years ago

1106
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 6: people asked me this, and I needed an answer.

1107
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 7: On the spot.

1108
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 6: And I, unlike so many of you, did not play

1109
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 6: baseball or even softball. I was not an athletic child.

1110
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 6: I horseback wrote. I was a horseback writer. And so

1111
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 6: the answer that I came up with on the spot

1112
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 6: all those years ago, which I haven't thought of anything better,

1113
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 6: was that song that goes like I wish it was

1114
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 6: a ball, or I wish I was a little bit taller,

1115
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 6: because I always think like I do I do wish

1116
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 6: I was a little bit tall.

1117
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 7: That would really have helped my athletic career.

1118
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: That's a good one.

1119
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm feeling nostalgic today, so my pick would be we

1120
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: will rock you, my queen.

1121
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: Ooh, very nice.

1122
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: This podcast is rocked from my perspective, but that they

1123
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: probably played that after one of my softball games when

1124
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: I hit off a I'll walk off home run.

1125
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 6: So see, everybody has all these athletic success stories.

1126
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: Well you know we can get the fungo ball at

1127
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: about out here. You know, well we'll make we'll make

1128
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: it happen.

1129
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: But one announcement is for those of you interested in

1130
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: more Women's Day things, mark your calendars for Saturday, August

1131
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: twenty sixth. That's when we will celebrate Women's Day at

1132
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: City Field. And we had some fun with that with

1133
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: the players last year picking their walk up songs, you know,

1134
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: with female thematic topics or female artists. And so maybe

1135
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: this year the walk up songs will have to be

1136
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: shorter with the pitch clock, but we do expect the

1137
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: players to participate in that again for sure.

1138
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 7: So I just.

1139
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: Wanted to do a big shout out to all the

1140
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: women in baseball here at the Mets. They are the

1141
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: ones that make everything happen here every day. Thank you

1142
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: so much for doing what you're doing. Shout out to

1143
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: all the women in baseball Katie, Liz Hannah. Thank you

1144
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: to our producer v Thank you so much for making

1145
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: the time today to talk about this.

1146
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: You know, clearly we've got a lot to say about.

1147
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: Women in baseball, so we'll look forward to doing more

1148
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: special editions like this in the future, so it isn't

1149
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: just one time a year.

1150
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: And Happy International Women's Day everyone. Let's go Mets.