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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Nol.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 1: super producer, LE'SUS code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. It is
Speaker 1: February seventh as you are hearing this, folks, let me
Speaker 1: let me check the math there. Yeah, I think that's right. Well,
Speaker 1: sometime in February as you're hearing this, it's one of
Speaker 1: the most exciting evenings for us. We get to hear
Speaker 1: from our fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to have some
Speaker 1: old friends from real life contact us with some inspirational words.
Speaker 1: We're going to gosh, guys, we really hit a nerve
Speaker 1: with our recent exploration of Oklahoma, so we'll get to
Speaker 1: some of that before we do any of that. Folks,
Speaker 1: we sold out. We're so excited about the future of
Speaker 1: the surveillance state. How do you like that?
Speaker 3: Set? Up at where we go.
Speaker 2: Yes, as we surveil the world and it surveils us back.
Speaker 1: I guess do you guys remember when our pal our
Speaker 1: complaint department Jonathan Strickland please always email him Jonathan Strickland
Speaker 1: at iHeartMedia dot com. Do you guys remember when he
Speaker 1: had those Google glasses that he was rocket?
Speaker 2: I do remember the Google glass.
Speaker 4: It was such a flop kind of They never even
Speaker 4: mass produced them. It was just always sort of like
Speaker 4: a beta test for like, you know, people in the
Speaker 4: tech space and you know, bloggers and podcasters and stuff.
Speaker 3: So he did get a hold of some of them.
Speaker 4: I never heard much about it beyond that because it
Speaker 4: turned out people didn't want to wear that on their
Speaker 4: face all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh, Google glass. I actually was kind of interested in
Speaker 2: that one, but not really.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I was because because it felt like something you might wear.
Speaker 2: If it had if it looked like regular glasses exactly,
Speaker 2: then sure.
Speaker 1: If it didn't look like just the top frame of glasses, yeah,
Speaker 1: with a weird obvious camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been into it. Well, guys, Apple
Speaker 2: has an answer to all of these, you know, questions
Speaker 2: about how are we going to see the future, how
Speaker 2: are we going to interact with the future. We can't
Speaker 2: all be walking over around with an oculus quest seven
Speaker 2: on in twenty thirty, well what will we be doing?
Speaker 3: What will we.
Speaker 2: Be doing in twenty twenty four? Well, Apple's answer was
Speaker 2: brought to us by ye Anointed Bovine. Someone who emailed
Speaker 2: us Anointed Bovine says, I saw an ad for a
Speaker 2: new product, Vision Pro by Apple. It's a weird future.
Speaker 2: We're propelling toward amazing uses in engineering, but a weird
Speaker 2: future for sure. They also started thirty five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: you can call me Anointed Bovine, and then Anointed Bovine
Speaker 2: send us this video.
Speaker 3: That's a fun little joke for Sacred cow, right exactly.
Speaker 3: That's sorry stating the obvious, but that's cute.
Speaker 2: So what we are going to do now everyone is
Speaker 2: watch this one minute, eight second video, which is an
Speaker 2: ad from Apple for the Vision Pro, and we're going
Speaker 2: to react to what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: And no one but Matt has seen this yet.
Speaker 4: Oh really, I've seen an early I mean this was
Speaker 4: announced a while back and Apple's clearly so hot on it.
Speaker 3: They announced it without a.
Speaker 4: Release date, so there was a little early look kind
Speaker 4: of video that I have seen.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's this one. It couldn't possibly be
Speaker 3: the same one.
Speaker 1: We's all teaser versus trailer, right.
Speaker 2: Correct, Well, this is this is the juice everybody, alexis.
Speaker 2: We're gonna look to you maybe for a reaction if
Speaker 2: you want, if you choose to give one, here we go.
Speaker 1: Okay, what got a guy putting on scuba goggles?
Speaker 4: I was to say, yeah, and researching scuba equipment. It
Speaker 4: looks like a boat of some sort.
Speaker 2: But it looks to be Oculus Quest style interactions, but
Speaker 2: with swimming goggles on.
Speaker 1: Well it's slight much shorter, I guess snout for the goggles.
Speaker 4: Right, and if anyone's messed with the Quest, that's fun.
Speaker 4: Uh you know that it's it's opaque. It's a big
Speaker 4: plastic front on it. This one has a transparent front
Speaker 4: that I believe also can do some ar stuff where
Speaker 4: it'll project to outward viewers some facsimile of your eyes
Speaker 4: and her expression, or maybe it's actually not clear, it's
Speaker 4: creating an AI facsimile of what's behind it.
Speaker 2: Were interacting with the world, so it's normal, like they're
Speaker 2: they're riding on a plane wearing giant goggles.
Speaker 1: That was that was nice. The screen to screen move
Speaker 1: from the vision pro to a desktop monitor, that was
Speaker 1: probably the hardest flex there. But yeah, kids being diverted
Speaker 1: on an airplane, that's a classic.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4: About Apple though, whenever they release a product, at the
Speaker 4: very least, whatever you say about Apple or Apple fan,
Speaker 4: you know stands. You know it's going to integrate with
Speaker 4: theirs their other equipment really well. So like this is
Speaker 4: something you could not hook an Oculus quest up and
Speaker 4: just have it natively become a second monitor for your
Speaker 4: for your device. You've got to use all kinds of
Speaker 4: different cables or whatever even if it.
Speaker 3: Will work at all.
Speaker 4: And they're obviously going to have it interact with their
Speaker 4: ecosystem of games, Apple Arcade and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: They have eye messages popping up in front of people's faces,
Speaker 5: and people are opening their eye messages the whole like gesture.
Speaker 3: It's minority report, is what it is.
Speaker 2: But they also show a man in his kitchen kicking
Speaker 2: a soccer ball around with what appears to be his offspring,
Speaker 2: like as though he's just interacting with his family, wearing
Speaker 2: these giant effing goggles like it's cool, it's normal. Everybody's
Speaker 2: fine with it. The kid's like, hey Dad, that's just
Speaker 2: what dad looks like.
Speaker 1: Now, hey Dad, Yeah, offspring, not as in the band,
Speaker 1: but like his They appear to be his children.
Speaker 2: The children he allegedly sired.
Speaker 3: Is the kid wearing the glasses too or not?
Speaker 1: The airport and on the airline, the kid is wearing
Speaker 1: the glasses. The idea is it's normalized for everybody who
Speaker 1: can pay a minimum price of three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: US dollars three five hundred. Well, obviously I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get him.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not going to dox him here.
Speaker 4: But I do have a friend that has pre ordered theirs,
Speaker 4: and it is supposed to be arriving soon. And it's
Speaker 4: a friend I spent a lot of time with, So
Speaker 4: he's going to bring it up when he comes to
Speaker 4: hanging You're going to be.
Speaker 5: Hanging out with somebody wearing these goggles pretty soon.
Speaker 4: The funny thing is is he and his family were
Speaker 4: visiting recently and I kind of dusted off the old
Speaker 4: Oculus quest that Matt turned me onto.
Speaker 3: So mad, don't act.
Speaker 4: Like a VR elitist here like this is some world
Speaker 4: that terrifies you.
Speaker 3: Tell us what it is that gives you pause about
Speaker 3: this particular VR.
Speaker 2: Really picture it, really, imagine hanging out with somebody wearing
Speaker 2: these goggles. Let's just imagine all of us hanging out together,
Speaker 2: and we've got your friend who's gonna be wearing these things? Right,
Speaker 2: what is that? How does that change our interaction with
Speaker 2: this person?
Speaker 3: I would really rethink my relationship with that friend.
Speaker 2: No, no, but I really like, maybe it's fine. Maybe
Speaker 2: it is the same thing as us just having our
Speaker 2: cell phones with us and being preoccupied with what's happening
Speaker 2: on that screen. Maybe it is that. But to me,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: That it's meant to be worn and mixed company though.
Speaker 1: That's just that's literally what it's meant to be, Like,
Speaker 1: it's meant to be on you at all times, like
Speaker 1: a cell phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody's gonna go for I mean, if people go
Speaker 4: for that, I pity the fool to quote mister T.
Speaker 1: I just know nobody lost money investing in stupidity.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so there are many futurists who have positive
Speaker 2: and we've had the discussion on the show that we
Speaker 2: are already cyborgs because of our relationships with our phones.
Speaker 3: Right in some way, shape or form, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are. We are inexorably tied to these things.
Speaker 2: We cannot be anywhere without them. We have anxieties when
Speaker 2: we don't know where our phone is. Like we I
Speaker 2: think we collectively all feel that is it the same
Speaker 2: thing as wearing this kind of augmented reality, true cyborg
Speaker 2: in thing?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it the same?
Speaker 1: It's a necessary step. I mean, it's it's like you know,
Speaker 1: when you see those old school textbook pictures of the
Speaker 1: evolution of primates. Right, this kind of technology right now,
Speaker 1: it's sort of in the middle of that spectrum because
Speaker 1: the next step obviously Ella Musk just announced or elon whatever,
Speaker 1: just to announce the first human brain implant. Guys saw that.
Speaker 1: So that this stuff is, as you said, Matt inexorable,
Speaker 1: it's inevitable. It's on the way. The next step is
Speaker 1: going to be it'll be more popularized the less intrusive
Speaker 1: it appears. Right, So, the closer you get the contacts
Speaker 1: or something that people already recognize, like spectacles.
Speaker 4: Well, if you guys are familiar with the game Cyberpunk,
Speaker 4: which I know you are, as we've talked about it,
Speaker 4: but there's actually a really great anime accompanying anime made
Speaker 4: by the same come Project Red or CD.
Speaker 3: Something like that is quite good.
Speaker 4: And it's all about this hardware. People being able to
Speaker 4: afford the hardware implants. It creates this varying strata of
Speaker 4: sort of haves and have nots, because if you can't
Speaker 4: afford to get your your muscles beefed up with tech,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna win in a fight against the school
Speaker 4: bully who's from like a higher class, you know, strata
Speaker 4: of society. Matt, I keep keep picking on you here,
Speaker 4: But how is this It depends on your behavior towards it.
Speaker 3: How is this any different than.
Speaker 4: U Uri trading back and forth to VR we cast
Speaker 4: it to as TV and watching each other play Beat Saber.
Speaker 3: Or you know, do the plank game.
Speaker 4: Like this really requires a difference in behavioral attitudes towards
Speaker 4: these things, and I guess Apple's pushing for that with
Speaker 4: their marketing, But it doesn't necessarily mean people are going
Speaker 4: to go for it, And I would.
Speaker 3: Argue people that do go for it are going to
Speaker 3: look like a holes.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the difference is it's ten times more
Speaker 2: expensive than Inoculus Quest two was when I got one right, true. First,
Speaker 2: that's the first thing. The second thing is I almost
Speaker 2: immediately stopped using that piece of hardware. Who except to
Speaker 2: work out there's a boxing thing I used on it,
Speaker 2: and that was it. I didn't see a use for it.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: I guess that's where I'm going there, first of all,
Speaker 2: And it is a solitary thing, so I had to
Speaker 2: choose to just hang out alone and play around with
Speaker 2: myself and my but but but like I had to
Speaker 2: choose to do that, and like spend my time that way,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 5: There's also a difference between like I'm gonna sit down
Speaker 5: and play this game versus I am living my life
Speaker 5: and interacting with my children with other people with this.
Speaker 4: And I'm only picking on you because you're the one
Speaker 4: that brought the quest over the first time. And I
Speaker 4: tho the first time I'd ever really messed with one,
Speaker 4: and I hadn't picked mine up in a long long
Speaker 4: time either until this kid who's friends with my kid,
Speaker 4: who's actually the kid of the person that's getting the
Speaker 4: thing you're talking about, picked mine up and started playing
Speaker 4: with it, and I was like, oh, I forgot there's
Speaker 4: things that are fun about this. But what we've been
Speaker 4: doing is casting it to the TV while one person
Speaker 4: does it, so the rest of them can see what
Speaker 4: they're seeing and also make fun of them for looking silly.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of a fun party game.
Speaker 3: That's how I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1: I'm looking I put I don't Matt, You and I
Speaker 1: talked about I have a quest as well. I was
Speaker 1: super turned off by the requirement to have it log
Speaker 1: into Facebook or meta and uh and so like you,
Speaker 1: Matt also having a quest. The best way to say
Speaker 1: it is, it solved problems I did not have the right,
Speaker 1: So like, it's fun to explore the pro preception is
Speaker 1: scientifically quite fascinating, however, in mind.
Speaker 4: By the way your mind accepts what's being presented to it.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, However, in my cost benefit analysis, just personally,
Speaker 1: just one one person, in my cost benefit analysis, the
Speaker 1: erosion of privacy outweighed the novelty of something that was
Speaker 1: clearly this is like the quest was like early adopter technology, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like an early version of a car.
Speaker 1: The next thing, or the next two or three things
Speaker 1: are going to be where I think the Overton windows
Speaker 1: shifts where.
Speaker 4: Becomes more valuable because you're taking places and you're using
Speaker 4: it out in the world. Right, is that what you're
Speaker 4: getting that mat This becomes a much more robust tracker
Speaker 4: and captura God because you're taking it the quest is
Speaker 4: it really? Because you're just in your living room? So
Speaker 4: what what useful information is?
Speaker 5: It?
Speaker 4: Knows how often I play beat Saber or freaking you know,
Speaker 4: job simulator, But like this one, if people use it
Speaker 4: the way they're suggesting, it'll know exactly where you're going.
Speaker 4: It'll capture everything around you in three hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: degrees of it.
Speaker 3: Could you know of data? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I got a scenario for you. Imagine you show up
Speaker 2: at a pretty nice restaurant. You've planned a date with
Speaker 2: somebody you found on one of these apps, right you,
Speaker 2: and you show up and you sit down and the
Speaker 2: person walks in wearing these goggles.
Speaker 3: I'm gone, man from God or I'm like, are you joking?
Speaker 4: And there's gonna be rules, restaurants are gonna make like
Speaker 4: wearing a hat, you know, I mean, I'm sorry, Please continue.
Speaker 3: This is just baffled in my mind. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: Weren't there issues with Google Glass, like for a little
Speaker 2: bit it was.
Speaker 1: Banned issues, yeah, specifically in techbro country. But there's also,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's also the other side of that coin,
Speaker 1: which is that at some point that may become like
Speaker 1: things become normalized so insidiously quickly and rapidly. You know,
Speaker 1: if you travel a lot, you may have noticed that
Speaker 1: facial recognition was once an option for customs, and it
Speaker 1: is increasingly required, and something similar may happen, like right
Speaker 1: now in the surveillance state of the West or the
Speaker 1: global West. In the US particular, it is considered anomalous
Speaker 1: and notable to not have a cell phone. Not quite
Speaker 1: a red flag, but it is a thing that stands
Speaker 1: out and perhaps if not Vision pro, something after Vision PRO,
Speaker 1: some descendant thereof will hit that cell phone moment. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is me being the old man shouting at clouds,
Speaker 4: but I don't see that happening. I don't see mass
Speaker 4: adoption of this A because it's too expensive and B
Speaker 4: it's just kind of idiotic.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm talking about. The descendant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough, that's exactly I see exactly that vision.
Speaker 3: You're playing a long game, Okay.
Speaker 2: Give event, because I think at some point this is
Speaker 2: the kind of technology, if you know, put out in
Speaker 2: like version five, where everybody is encouraged through incentives to
Speaker 2: have a twenty four to seven stream from their perspective
Speaker 2: right that they are doing. Oh did you see Ben's
Speaker 2: stream last Friday? This crazy thing happened, or people are
Speaker 2: tuning in, people are commenting, people are like checking in
Speaker 2: on your stream to see where you are and what
Speaker 2: you're doing, and you can check in on theirs and
Speaker 2: like just a seamless communication. It is to me, it's horrifying.
Speaker 4: That's the black Mirror episode the entire history of you.
Speaker 4: It is literally that episode.
Speaker 2: And this is a piece of technology that gets us
Speaker 2: through that first half step, right of actually having wearable
Speaker 2: technology beyond something that we hold in our hands that
Speaker 2: would allow us to do that and to serve commercials,
Speaker 2: and we would get served commercials and anointed bovine. No
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, well, last thing. I'm gonna shut up.
Speaker 4: I just I think Apple is also very rarely placed
Speaker 4: to bet that didn't win, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: When they go all in on a technology, it usually
Speaker 4: takes the frick off. I can't think of anything that
Speaker 4: they've put out and put all of their marketing efforts
Speaker 4: behind that has failed. Maybe you can maybe like a
Speaker 4: certain generation of iPod or something, but in general they
Speaker 4: are disruptors in this space.
Speaker 5: That sort of reminded me of when they like forcefully
Speaker 5: put a YouTube album on everybody's.
Speaker 3: Phone that failed.
Speaker 5: It did fail, But specifically it makes me think about
Speaker 5: like if people are wearing this Apple Vision thing, Like
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about what Matt said about ads and also
Speaker 5: the idea of like what can sort of forcefully be
Speaker 5: put in front of your eyes that regard. That was
Speaker 5: sort of the thought that hit me.
Speaker 1: Right think think about emergency alerts on cell phones and then.
Speaker 2: That yeah, right, but what would you do for an
Speaker 2: extra twenty maybe one hundred, maybe thousand dollars a month?
Speaker 2: Like if you had this technology, I bet there are
Speaker 2: people out there that would use you as a node
Speaker 2: for quite a bit of money.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: What do you mean a node?
Speaker 2: A note of data of like what's happening in this area?
Speaker 2: What is think about the track like the tracking on
Speaker 2: this thing and what Ben said, the tracking on that thing,
Speaker 2: but the visual data that you're you would constantly be getting,
Speaker 2: the audio data you'd be getting.
Speaker 1: Real time processing troublesome things like protests for instance. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, especially considering also, you know, economy of scale. Like,
Speaker 1: the easier it is to say yes to stuff like this,
Speaker 1: and not to sound like a luddye, but the easier
Speaker 1: it is to say yes to stuff like this, the
Speaker 1: more people have it, creating a feedback loop, which means
Speaker 1: it is cheaper to produce an individual iteration of the product,
Speaker 1: and people want to keep up with the joneses. So
Speaker 1: the next deal you get is, hey, this just like
Speaker 1: what happens with cell phones. It's a great case study. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is three five hundred US dollars. Now, however, if
Speaker 1: you go with a provider or agree to a certain
Speaker 1: regimen of ads, yeah, then it's only you know, one
Speaker 1: thousand or fifty.
Speaker 3: You got to see the BlackBerry movie.
Speaker 4: That moment, that aha moment when the BlackBerry people realize
Speaker 4: that's what Apple was doing and that's literally what tanked BlackBerry.
Speaker 4: That was like the big kind of turning point of
Speaker 4: that story. Fascinating, dude.
Speaker 2: Think about when you target spends a great deal of
Speaker 2: time and money trying to figure out what you as
Speaker 2: an individual want, what you're interested in, what you're willing
Speaker 2: to buy what you're not buying, even though you're showing
Speaker 2: interest on their website or their app. Think about when
Speaker 2: you go into Kroger and they're trying to do the
Speaker 2: same things. What does this individual want that is also
Speaker 2: in this social strata, in this economic strata. What if
Speaker 2: they are willing to give you those deals too? Just
Speaker 2: where you're what is this thing called Apple Vision pros
Speaker 2: or whatever? Where are that when you shop in Target
Speaker 2: next time? And it's going to measure your reaction to
Speaker 2: certain shirts that you're looking at in a line or
Speaker 2: certain food products.
Speaker 1: Think about also how when the Kroger Plus or whatever
Speaker 1: loyalty card came out, it gave you a discount as
Speaker 1: the price is purposely gradually frogs boiling rows, such that
Speaker 1: now if you go there without a card, if you
Speaker 1: go to a lot of places without a card, you
Speaker 1: are paying extra because you have refused to submit your
Speaker 1: information to the system. That is ten ten. What is
Speaker 1: happening or what will.
Speaker 4: Happen really cooly before you go is when you guys
Speaker 4: have to peep this link I put in the chat.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the blue blocker.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 4: It's from Back to the Future too, it's like an
Speaker 4: accessory that exists in back of the too.
Speaker 3: It looks exactly like we were talking about.
Speaker 4: And it's that it's by JVC you'll see on the side,
Speaker 4: which is like a big company in the eighties.
Speaker 3: You know, they made cam quarters and stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is the future we were
Speaker 4: promised by Back to the Future too.
Speaker 3: Finally coming coming to fruition.
Speaker 2: All right, final word, alexis are you getting one?
Speaker 5: I was about to curse, so I'll say f no.
Speaker 5: And also to answer your earlier question, like iref somebody
Speaker 5: showed up to that like on a dat or I
Speaker 5: was hanging out with somebody and they put them on.
Speaker 5: I would roast the absolute out.
Speaker 1: Of You heard her here first, folks heard her here first.
Speaker 1: There is a there is a certain standard to romance
Speaker 1: on stuff. They don't want you to know.
Speaker 2: Oh beautiful, let us know what you think. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3: And we've returned.
Speaker 4: After that illuminating conversation about the future that is the
Speaker 4: present that is a little bit terrifying and really dorky.
Speaker 3: But let's refresh.
Speaker 4: Let's do a little reset and refresh, recycle, reduce, reuse,
Speaker 4: and hear a message from a listener of the show
Speaker 4: and someone i'd consider to have become a pal of mine.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go by their nickname Moons of Athos. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna read some segments of this lovely email that Moons
Speaker 4: wrote us. My name is Moons of Athos. He gives
Speaker 4: the real day, but I'm not sure he didn't get
Speaker 4: give it permission to use the nickname, so I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna give.
Speaker 3: The real name.
Speaker 4: I'm a musician and multimedia specialist from the south east
Speaker 4: of Ireland, currently based in Berlin, Germany. Hopefully Noel remembers
Speaker 4: me from his visit to Berlin just about two years ago. Now,
Speaker 4: of course I remember you, Moons. We had lovely pintes
Speaker 4: together and it was great. We actually hung out twice.
Speaker 4: Was great meeting you that time. Man had a blast
Speaker 4: hanging out with you, Frank and your other mates in
Speaker 4: the metal bars here. It's true we went to some
Speaker 4: awesome metal bars, of which there are copious amounts in Berlin.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to touch base with you guys since
Speaker 4: I've been listening for about.
Speaker 3: Six and a half years now.
Speaker 4: Also in the latest Listener Mail episode, Missing in Missouri,
Speaker 4: Corruption and Illinois, Australia and Insight. You guys put out
Speaker 4: a call for art inspired even loosely by your podcasts,
Speaker 4: So here goes. I play guitar and write music in
Speaker 4: a post rock, post metal band called Sky Trumpets. We're
Speaker 4: gonna get to where that name came from or the
Speaker 4: inspiration Ben and Nol. I know you both follow us
Speaker 4: on Instagram. Many thanks for that, But since so many
Speaker 4: of us conspiracy realists have so much in common, I
Speaker 4: thought it might be worth sharing this with the wider community,
Speaker 4: especially since I'm working on new material to release later
Speaker 4: this year. So many of us, being the fun type
Speaker 4: of weirdos who worship at the altar of Fox Mulder
Speaker 4: and Dana Scully, find endless pleasures in rewatching Agent Cooper,
Speaker 4: visit Twin Peaks each spooky season, and seemingly a lot
Speaker 4: of us are also arts practitioners and gear nerds in
Speaker 4: our respective fields. Recalling Noel and I's conversation about studio equipment,
Speaker 4: vintage SyncE and guitar gear, maybe a weird droney ambient
Speaker 4: metal band from the South coast of Ireland can be
Speaker 4: another common interest for more of the community. The story
Speaker 4: goes that I began writing music for what would become
Speaker 4: Sky Trumpets about the same time I found your podcast
Speaker 4: in October two, twenty seventeen, when I lived in Hamburg, Germany.
Speaker 4: I remember the feeling of delight at working a job
Speaker 4: which didn't require too much brain power, my first office
Speaker 4: job as an intern, and loving syncing into your podcast
Speaker 4: each day. I think I began with episodes on the
Speaker 4: flat Woods Monster Alisa Lamb and the interview with the
Speaker 4: guy who ran the Bigfoot Museum, David Bacara, Right McAra, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love that guy. It was great to hear a
Speaker 4: bunch of guys talking about this stuff and not taking
Speaker 4: it too seriously, while also not talking down on the
Speaker 4: fun cryptid stories and similarly not taking sick pleasure in
Speaker 4: talking about true crime and conspiracy cases like some other
Speaker 4: podcasts seemed to do. This alongside the binge watching of
Speaker 4: The Walking Dead from the beginning at the time, allowed
Speaker 4: me to come up with the first Sky Trumpet song
Speaker 4: Crime project. The idea of it was that it would
Speaker 4: be the soundtrack playing in my synesthetic brain while listening
Speaker 4: to your podcast, or if I were in real life
Speaker 4: TWD situation. I moved back to Ireland just before Christmas
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen to complete my degree. Six months later, some
Speaker 4: of my musician mates had heard this demo of Crime
Speaker 4: Project and asked me to be a part of a
Speaker 4: live band for this music. If I was planning on
Speaker 4: starting one, well now I was. Now we need a name, right.
Speaker 4: I wanted something epic, almost biblical. Some of my favorite
Speaker 4: post rock bands have names that really suit the biblical, cathartic,
Speaker 4: spiritual sound of their music. God Speed You, Black Emperor,
Speaker 4: personal favorite, Ben, I know you're a fan as well.
Speaker 3: God is an astronaut.
Speaker 4: Explosions in the sky cloud kicker if these trees could talk,
Speaker 4: so I liked the idea of sky in there somewhere.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing the term sky trumpets mentioned by Ben
Speaker 4: on one of the episodes, talking about the phenomena of
Speaker 4: weird noises seemingly without a source occurring around the world.
Speaker 4: I think it was when you were discussing the windsor
Speaker 4: hum maybe. Anyway, when I remember the term, it felt
Speaker 4: like the nice snap of two lego bricks in my head.
Speaker 4: That had to be our band name. I mentioned it
Speaker 4: to the guys and they liked it. It's the last
Speaker 4: bit here, I'm gonna read Ben, my fellow senisthete it's
Speaker 4: worth noting that Sky Trumpets is not just a band,
Speaker 4: but a multim projects. One of my goals with this
Speaker 4: project was to create abstract films for each song based
Speaker 4: off of my own music, matching or mismatching colors intentionally
Speaker 4: in my head, grouping songs together for certain releases based
Speaker 4: on their colors, writing set lists based on songs colors, etc.
Speaker 4: And Sky Trumpet's music has been the most explicit example
Speaker 4: of this. Since we are instrumental, I have built a
Speaker 4: few music visualizers to try to visualize my synesthesia for
Speaker 4: live performances, admittedly to varying degrees of success, but hoping
Speaker 4: to have it usable later this year in a more
Speaker 4: coherent format than I've done before.
Speaker 3: I just think this is super cool.
Speaker 4: We talked a little about number stations he goes on
Speaker 4: and talk about some other projects that he's involved in.
Speaker 4: But before I toss to the group, highly recommend you
Speaker 4: check out Sky Trumpets. They're on Instagram and there's the
Speaker 4: link in bio situation that links you out to a
Speaker 4: lot of these other projects. So man, thanks to moons
Speaker 4: of Athos for this lovely trip down memory Lane a
Speaker 4: for some of these topics, and just from doing exactly
Speaker 4: what Ben sent the call out to have people share
Speaker 4: with us making art, you know, out of some of
Speaker 4: the stuff that we talk about.
Speaker 3: It's a real honor.
Speaker 2: I want to shout out something Moon said at the
Speaker 2: end here that we did not read yet. Moon says,
Speaker 2: might I make a suggestion while I'm here for this
Speaker 2: year's spooky season, maybe you could bring back the segment
Speaker 2: of reading out listeners ghost stories. I think we should
Speaker 2: do more of that this year or anybody who's listening,
Speaker 2: and we could do those year round. It doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be spooky season.
Speaker 1: It's always Halloween in America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or at the very least, you know on stuff
Speaker 4: that I want you to know we love it. Also,
Speaker 4: he said that another band that he's in that's kind
Speaker 4: of a queer punk band is how he described it,
Speaker 4: Skin on Flesh, which you can find at Skin on Flesh.
Speaker 4: Band recently had a song featured in the latest Cyberpunk DLC.
Speaker 4: We were talking about cyberpunk a little while ago, So
Speaker 4: that's pretty cool for an indie type band to have
Speaker 4: their song featured in a game like that.
Speaker 3: That's good money and good exposure. Well well done, Well done, y'all.
Speaker 2: I listened to a bit of Thinking Hours from Sky
Speaker 2: Trumpets and I really did enjoy what I was hearing.
Speaker 2: And awesome work.
Speaker 1: You came to the right place, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I should have maybe written him back
Speaker 4: to ask if we could play a sample on the show.
Speaker 4: So maybe we'll leave a space here just for a
Speaker 4: little sample in the in the event that I hear
Speaker 4: back from them with permission before.
Speaker 2: This errors, I'm gonna recommend around two minutes in and
Speaker 2: Thinking Hours when the the drums really kick in.
Speaker 5: Dang it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big, this is shorty, Ben.
Speaker 4: Any thoughts about the specifically the visual aspects of this
Speaker 4: trying to recreate the experience of synesthesia.
Speaker 3: I think that's so cool. Yeah, agreed.
Speaker 1: As we said, you can find the website Experiment sixty
Speaker 1: four dot com where we can learn more about this stuff.
Speaker 1: And these are the kind of letters we love. Anything
Speaker 1: that we in this show do that somehow inspires our
Speaker 1: fellow listeners makes it worth it, I would argue, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and we've got again, as you
Speaker 1: pointed out, Nol, we do always ask for permission before
Speaker 1: we air or share your stuff because it is your stuff.
Speaker 1: But keep them coming. This is just awesome. It really
Speaker 1: makes our day, I think collectively, or makes our evening.
Speaker 4: Well, let's take a quick break, hear a word from
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Speaker 1: And we have returned with a bit of a round up.
Speaker 1: We are going to share a couple of different emails
Speaker 1: from some of our fellow conspiracy realists, all commenting about
Speaker 1: the same thing. Quite recently, folks, As you may recall,
Speaker 1: we discussed an intensely troubling story about human trafficking and
Speaker 1: the gray market cannabis trade in Oklahoma. It appears gang
Speaker 1: that we have hit a bit of a nerve in
Speaker 1: a good way, because we had a ton of people
Speaker 1: writing to us and many calling us likely as well,
Speaker 1: who were responding and saying largely the same thing, agreeing
Speaker 1: with our take on the recent news and telling us
Speaker 1: it goes much much deeper. So what I'm thinking we
Speaker 1: could do is just a brief recap of the story
Speaker 1: we first found, and then some helpful responses from from
Speaker 1: our friends in Oklahoma. So the quick recap is this,
Speaker 1: two men were recently convicted of a drug trafficking conspiracy
Speaker 1: Chinese nationals. They were popped for illegally trafficking cannabis from
Speaker 1: an Oklahoma grow operation. Oklahoma does have medical marijuana laws,
Speaker 1: so there are ways to legally grow distribute cell weed.
Speaker 1: But what we found was that there were a lot
Speaker 1: of strings leading away from this. It had been politicized
Speaker 1: by some authorities as a way of like arguing for
Speaker 1: a border wall. It had been turned into you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of somewhat racist sinophobia. But Noel Matt
Speaker 1: I was shocked by how many people wrote to us
Speaker 1: about this. Did you see some of these emails? We
Speaker 1: got quite a few, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I did, And it was nice to get a little
Speaker 4: bit of meat on the bones around what's going on
Speaker 4: on the ground, you know, in Oklahoma and the relationship
Speaker 4: with cannabis. In terms of the questions we asked, like, way.
Speaker 3: Is it legal? Why isn't it legal?
Speaker 4: Like just like the there seems to be some some
Speaker 4: wrenches in the works in terms of making that happen.
Speaker 4: And it's sort of an odd situation from from some
Speaker 4: of the perspectives that I caught a glimpse of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed fully, and we've not been to Oklahoma or wait,
Speaker 1: let me check this code named DOC. Have you been
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma?
Speaker 5: I have I passed through there when I toured with
Speaker 5: that metal band that I told you about.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, but I didn't stay. You didn't stay.
Speaker 5: Also dated a guy from Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to shout about on the air?
Speaker 1: I don't?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so at least we have one person who's
Speaker 1: had some boots on the ground here. Our first letter says, Hi,
Speaker 1: my name is Whitney. I own a medical marijuana dispensary
Speaker 1: in Durant. Durant, Oklahoma, and I am thrilled you guys
Speaker 1: covered the human trafficking issue. It's the worst kept secret
Speaker 1: in the state, especially in our industry. We've been trying
Speaker 1: to bring attention to the horrors that are happening all
Speaker 1: around us. We've been to farms that were housing workers
Speaker 1: from Asia and we immediately knew something was wrong. They're
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, no cell service, not much
Speaker 1: law enforcement. They're living in warehouses with bunk beds. These
Speaker 1: groups have shady business practices. They don't follow the regulatory guidance.
Speaker 1: So this dispensary has never bought any of their products.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is Magnolia City Apothecary. I love
Speaker 1: the word apothecary, me too. We should use that more often, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's actually a really cool tape label called Oris Apothecary.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: And Whitney continues and says that for the past couple
Speaker 1: of years this has been kind of like the Wild West,
Speaker 1: lots of open spaces, not much oversight. The Russian mafia
Speaker 1: may have also caught onto this trafficking. We're starting to
Speaker 1: see their farms pop up. They guard their farms with
Speaker 1: armed security and machine guns. Stuff is wild. Sorry, when
Speaker 1: he editing for a family show, and Whitney says, hoping
Speaker 1: law enforcement continues to shut down these outfits that are
Speaker 1: exploiting these people. Then we got another recommendation directing us
Speaker 1: to an Instagram account called healthy dot Buffalo that talks
Speaker 1: about that has a story with someone who had to
Speaker 1: deal with the crazy issues concerning the Oklahoma marijuana industry.
Speaker 1: And I looked into this. It seems that the state
Speaker 1: is as this conspiracy really says, the state has been
Speaker 1: trying to shut down those illegal growth farms. They're owned
Speaker 1: by out of state or out of country owners. The
Speaker 1: paperwork filed with the State of Oklahoma has go ghost owners. Sadly,
Speaker 1: I read some of these ghost owners were lawyers. Imagine
Speaker 1: that I have read and watched the shutdown of many
Speaker 1: illegal farms, and I've read about executions of foreign workers
Speaker 1: at these illegal growtharms. This is nuts. This person also
Speaker 1: recommends we go to Oklahoma dot gov slash omma for
Speaker 1: more information. And these are just like a couple of
Speaker 1: the things. I didn't know it w this deep, but
Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit, right, We talked
Speaker 1: about how there appeared to be more at work than
Speaker 1: just two sketchy dudes.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, And I mean, it's another one of
Speaker 4: these examples where prohibition of any kind often yields a
Speaker 4: smoke screen with which to conduct all kinds of shady
Speaker 4: business under behind whatever you do with a smoke screen.
Speaker 1: Around just in the air, it's weird, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 4: Though, Like if it weren't if there weren't an asp
Speaker 4: of this that were kind of off book, then they
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been able to disguise a lot of these
Speaker 4: other like mega shady activities.
Speaker 1: Agreed one hundred percent. And there are more letters that
Speaker 1: we received. One is from the Circumspect coyote who says,
Speaker 1: good day, gentlemen. As I listened to your strange news
Speaker 1: segment on human trafficking in Oklahoma, I could only think, yep,
Speaker 1: that's about par for the course. In two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: says our friendly coyote, the John Pickle Company in Tulsa
Speaker 1: had brought in a number of Indian nationals and sequestered
Speaker 1: them on the property and made them into de facto's slaves.
Speaker 1: These individuals were here legally on a work visa, but
Speaker 1: those visas and any personal identification was taken from them
Speaker 1: and held hostage to ensure their cooperation. They were drawn
Speaker 1: in under the banner of higher pay and select fields
Speaker 1: than they were subjected to two dollars an hour wages,
Speaker 1: poor living in work conditions, and no freedom. And this
Speaker 1: coyote were in records or did work in records at
Speaker 1: the Tulsa Police Department for years and says, human trafficking
Speaker 1: comes up constantly, and maybe again, you know, maybe we
Speaker 1: were just a bit unfamiliar or naive. But I think
Speaker 1: most Americans outside of Oklahoma do not immediately think of
Speaker 1: human trafficking when they think of that state. We all
Speaker 1: thought of the musical.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I think that's not an accident, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hate the term because it seems dismissive,
Speaker 4: but oftentimes people will describe Oklahoma as a flyover state.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of those the states sort of
Speaker 3: in the middle.
Speaker 4: Are often off the radar of mainstream reporting, which is
Speaker 4: what allows things like this to maybe go on for
Speaker 4: longer unnoticed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point, though it's easy to
Speaker 1: ignore it, you know. And it reminds me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the situation that can happen with immigrant workers
Speaker 1: in Middle Eastern countries. Don't you travel and then the
Speaker 1: person employing you possesses your documents and may indeed take
Speaker 1: possession of your passport. It's a very very dangerous thing.
Speaker 1: And also Coyote points out that these people would be
Speaker 1: controlled by having threats made against their family members, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them came from US cities, from Los
Speaker 1: Angeles or New York. And then Coyote shares with us
Speaker 1: a story from the Oklahoman from two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: so it gives us a sense of how long this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff has been happening. In this case, there
Speaker 1: were fifty two captive workers from India who were basically
Speaker 1: laboring in forced servitude, and it took the way the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma puts it is it took one quote unquote crazy
Speaker 1: Christian to intervene, the implication being that law enforcement wasn't
Speaker 1: doing anything.
Speaker 4: I do have to point out one thing that maybe
Speaker 4: will lighten them MO just a little bit. And again
Speaker 4: I pologize if this is stating the obvious, but I
Speaker 4: love that this coyote is circumspect rather than Wiley. Yes,
Speaker 4: just throw that out there in case it flew by anybody.
Speaker 3: Some clever nicky names coming through on today's episode.
Speaker 1: And then Crystal writes to us saying much the same thing,
Speaker 1: and points out specifically the history of the history of
Speaker 1: medical marijuana in the state. Crystal says, quote, since medical
Speaker 1: marijuana was legalized in Oklahoma in twenty eighteen, there have
Speaker 1: been big repercussions. The law was rushed through with little
Speaker 1: real oversight of grow licensing or regulation in the issuance
Speaker 1: of medical licenses. And pause there, because that's something we've
Speaker 1: seen with pretty much every medical marijuana state. Right Like
Speaker 1: I have glaucoma maybe or a vague sense of unease.
Speaker 4: It's a loophole, yes, a million percent. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: that's why it's comical that there's something, whether it philosophically
Speaker 4: or whatever, that's venting these states from taking that leap
Speaker 4: to to pure recreation because it's obviously going to need
Speaker 4: more money because it's open to the floodgates. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean when California went legal for you know, medical,
Speaker 4: all you hear was stories about people saying generalized anxiety disorder,
Speaker 4: which is honestly something that I don't think smoking weed
Speaker 4: would would help very much. It tends to make people
Speaker 4: more anxious, but I guess it depends on the strain.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's weird, like why are where? Why are
Speaker 4: people getting log jammed between medical and recreational, Like Georgia
Speaker 4: is so puritanical in the way that we handle that
Speaker 4: stuff that I think we've only got medical in a
Speaker 4: very specific situation that involves not even the smokable flower,
Speaker 4: just the like change pills at all, I think is
Speaker 4: what it's called. And it's apparently kind of bull crap.
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't really do the job.
Speaker 1: It only went over the finish line in the state's
Speaker 1: legislative body because, uh, because some some politician promised it
Speaker 1: would not be fun they literally said, don't worry, no
Speaker 1: one's getting high. No one has a new appreciation of
Speaker 1: baselines or ambient music. Right, this is just medicine. And
Speaker 1: we see that kind of turtanical is a perfect word.
Speaker 1: We see this occur in a lot of other states.
Speaker 1: You know, I think for a long time in Michigan,
Speaker 1: you could just say that you were a fan of
Speaker 1: Michigan State and they would they would sign you up
Speaker 1: for a they would sign you up for some weed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna take that. True. It's too late, Doc,
Speaker 1: you can't stop us. No, no comment.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a heck of a
Speaker 3: lot to add here.
Speaker 4: I obviously thrown a Matt, but he's dealing with some
Speaker 4: home renovation stuff. He had to jump away for him.
Speaker 4: And unless you worry that that he's being so quiet,
Speaker 4: I don't know, Ben anything else to any other noteworthy
Speaker 4: responses to that topic.
Speaker 3: Okay, got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end on. Let's and on just one or
Speaker 1: two more things that are important for us non Oklahomas
Speaker 1: to know. Continuing with Crystal, by law, a grow operation
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma is required to be owned a majority by
Speaker 1: a resident of the state a year or two ago,
Speaker 1: it was discovered that foreign owners were using Oklahoma law
Speaker 1: firms as straw man owners, and hundreds of grows were
Speaker 1: shut down. The state stopped issuing new licenses. It's still
Speaker 1: reworking the system. Many of these illicit operations work with
Speaker 1: drug cartels as well as using quote unquote not so
Speaker 1: legal employment methods. All of this does, unfortunately make a
Speaker 1: great cover for moving things and people for nefarious purposes.
Speaker 1: Even before the grow problem, Oklahoma has been a hub
Speaker 1: for human trafficking, add major cartel and gang activity. There
Speaker 1: are several interstates crossing in Oklahoma City, so it's very
Speaker 1: easy to lose track of suspicious vehicles and to get things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good points, right crossroads, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: easy to obscure all these movements. No, I'm so glad
Speaker 4: that this hit a nerve because this was news to
Speaker 4: all of us. And the more we hear back from
Speaker 4: you conspiracy realists out there, the picture the pieces really
Speaker 4: start to come into full focus and lie. Of course
Speaker 4: this makes sense and this is gosh. It wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to do that without you, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still writing back to everyone, but I want
Speaker 1: to thank all our fellow conspiracy realists for weighing in
Speaker 1: with this first hand experience. The major highways that a
Speaker 1: lot of our Oklahoma and friends are talking about are
Speaker 1: I thirty five, I forty, and I forty four. There
Speaker 1: is a huge problem with potential trafficking. There is a
Speaker 1: lot of political controversy here. I think just to keep
Speaker 1: this one short, I think the best way for us
Speaker 1: to end or thank everybody for tuning in is back
Speaker 1: is to let you know, Hey, Matt, we'll come back.
Speaker 1: Is to let you know that if you suspect a
Speaker 1: case of human trafficking here in the United States, it
Speaker 1: is very important for you to speak up because often
Speaker 1: this stuff only functions because people ignore fairly obvious signs.
Speaker 1: So if you suspect a case of human trafficking, please
Speaker 1: do contact one eight eight three seven three seven eight
Speaker 1: eight eight. That's one eight eight eight three seven three seven.
Speaker 3: Eight eight eight.
Speaker 1: That's the National Human Trafficking Hotline. And folks, this stuff
Speaker 1: does matter. Human trafficking is a real conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Said that I missed this. I looked through the messages
Speaker 2: that we got that you compiled there, Ben, and it's
Speaker 2: just really intense And sorry, I wasn't here for that discussion.
Speaker 2: I did just learn that you can get a brand
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, pretty soon you'll have to have a Vision
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Speaker 1: a friend of the show who is the United States
Speaker 1: needs a new deal to improve things in this country,
Speaker 1: but people are so sensitive to names. We're trying to
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Speaker 3: Plus, hey, I got a pitch for you guys. How
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 4: Okay, ready, you're ready, virtual garage door boom. Just chew
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