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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer, LE'SUS code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. It is

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Speaker 1: February seventh as you are hearing this, folks, let me

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Speaker 1: let me check the math there. Yeah, I think that's right. Well,

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Speaker 1: sometime in February as you're hearing this, it's one of

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Speaker 1: the most exciting evenings for us. We get to hear

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Speaker 1: from our fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to have some

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Speaker 1: old friends from real life contact us with some inspirational words.

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Speaker 1: We're going to gosh, guys, we really hit a nerve

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Speaker 1: with our recent exploration of Oklahoma, so we'll get to

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Speaker 1: some of that before we do any of that. Folks,

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Speaker 1: we sold out. We're so excited about the future of

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Speaker 1: the surveillance state. How do you like that?

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Speaker 3: Set? Up at where we go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, as we surveil the world and it surveils us back.

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Speaker 1: I guess do you guys remember when our pal our

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Speaker 1: complaint department Jonathan Strickland please always email him Jonathan Strickland

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Speaker 1: at iHeartMedia dot com. Do you guys remember when he

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Speaker 1: had those Google glasses that he was rocket?

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Speaker 2: I do remember the Google glass.

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Speaker 4: It was such a flop kind of They never even

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Speaker 4: mass produced them. It was just always sort of like

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Speaker 3: So he did get a hold of some of them.

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Speaker 4: I never heard much about it beyond that because it

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Speaker 2: Oh, Google glass. I actually was kind of interested in

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Speaker 2: I was because because it felt like something you might wear.

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Speaker 1: If it didn't look like just the top frame of glasses, yeah,

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Speaker 1: with a weird obvious camera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been into it. Well, guys, Apple

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Speaker 2: has an answer to all of these, you know, questions

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Speaker 2: all be walking over around with an oculus quest seven

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Speaker 2: on in twenty thirty, well what will we be doing?

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Speaker 2: Be doing in twenty twenty four? Well, Apple's answer was

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Speaker 2: brought to us by ye Anointed Bovine. Someone who emailed

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Speaker 2: us Anointed Bovine says, I saw an ad for a

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Speaker 2: new product, Vision Pro by Apple. It's a weird future.

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Speaker 2: We're propelling toward amazing uses in engineering, but a weird

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Speaker 2: future for sure. They also started thirty five hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: you can call me Anointed Bovine, and then Anointed Bovine

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Speaker 3: That's a fun little joke for Sacred cow, right exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's sorry stating the obvious, but that's cute.

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Speaker 2: So what we are going to do now everyone is

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Speaker 2: watch this one minute, eight second video, which is an

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Speaker 1: And no one but Matt has seen this yet.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, I've seen an early I mean this was

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Speaker 1: We's all teaser versus trailer, right.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Well, this is this is the juice everybody, alexis.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna look to you maybe for a reaction if

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Speaker 1: Okay, what got a guy putting on scuba goggles?

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Speaker 2: But they also show a man in his kitchen kicking

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Speaker 4: Like a VR elitist here like this is some world

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Speaker 2: Really picture it, really, imagine hanging out with somebody wearing

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Speaker 1: It's a necessary step. I mean, it's it's like you know,

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Speaker 2: And this is a piece of technology that gets us

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Speaker 5: That sort of reminded me of when they like forcefully

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Speaker 3: What do you mean a node?

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Speaker 4: Happen really cooly before you go is when you guys

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Speaker 2: All right, final word, alexis are you getting one?

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Speaker 5: I was about to curse, so I'll say f no.

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Speaker 5: And also to answer your earlier question, like iref somebody

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Speaker 1: Of You heard her here first, folks heard her here first.

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Speaker 2: Oh beautiful, let us know what you think. We'll be

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Speaker 3: And we've returned.

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Speaker 4: After that illuminating conversation about the future that is the

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Speaker 3: But let's refresh.

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Speaker 4: Let's do a little reset and refresh, recycle, reduce, reuse,

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Speaker 4: and hear a message from a listener of the show

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Speaker 4: and someone i'd consider to have become a pal of mine.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go by their nickname Moons of Athos. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna read some segments of this lovely email that Moons

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Speaker 3: The real name.

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Speaker 4: I'm a musician and multimedia specialist from the south east

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Speaker 4: of Ireland, currently based in Berlin, Germany. Hopefully Noel remembers

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Speaker 4: me from his visit to Berlin just about two years ago. Now,

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Speaker 4: of course I remember you, Moons. We had lovely pintes

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to touch base with you guys since

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Speaker 3: Six and a half years now.

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Speaker 4: a call for art inspired even loosely by your podcasts,

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Speaker 4: So here goes. I play guitar and write music in

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Speaker 4: a post rock, post metal band called Sky Trumpets. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna get to where that name came from or the

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Speaker 4: inspiration Ben and Nol. I know you both follow us

446
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: on Instagram. Many thanks for that, But since so many

447
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Speaker 4: of us conspiracy realists have so much in common, I

448
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 4: thought it might be worth sharing this with the wider community,

449
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Speaker 4: especially since I'm working on new material to release later

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Speaker 4: this year. So many of us, being the fun type

451
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Speaker 4: of weirdos who worship at the altar of Fox Mulder

452
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Speaker 4: and Dana Scully, find endless pleasures in rewatching Agent Cooper,

453
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Speaker 4: visit Twin Peaks each spooky season, and seemingly a lot

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Speaker 4: of us are also arts practitioners and gear nerds in

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Speaker 4: our respective fields. Recalling Noel and I's conversation about studio equipment,

456
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Speaker 4: vintage SyncE and guitar gear, maybe a weird droney ambient

457
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 4: metal band from the South coast of Ireland can be

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Speaker 4: another common interest for more of the community. The story

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Speaker 4: goes that I began writing music for what would become

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Speaker 4: Sky Trumpets about the same time I found your podcast

461
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Speaker 4: in October two, twenty seventeen, when I lived in Hamburg, Germany.

462
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Speaker 4: I remember the feeling of delight at working a job

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Speaker 4: which didn't require too much brain power, my first office

464
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Speaker 4: job as an intern, and loving syncing into your podcast

465
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Speaker 4: each day. I think I began with episodes on the

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Speaker 4: flat Woods Monster Alisa Lamb and the interview with the

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Speaker 4: guy who ran the Bigfoot Museum, David Bacara, Right McAra, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love that guy. It was great to hear a

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Speaker 4: bunch of guys talking about this stuff and not taking

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Speaker 4: it too seriously, while also not talking down on the

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Speaker 4: fun cryptid stories and similarly not taking sick pleasure in

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Speaker 4: talking about true crime and conspiracy cases like some other

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Speaker 4: podcasts seemed to do. This alongside the binge watching of

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Speaker 4: The Walking Dead from the beginning at the time, allowed

475
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Speaker 4: me to come up with the first Sky Trumpet song

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Speaker 4: Crime project. The idea of it was that it would

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Speaker 4: be the soundtrack playing in my synesthetic brain while listening

478
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Speaker 4: to your podcast, or if I were in real life

479
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Speaker 4: TWD situation. I moved back to Ireland just before Christmas

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen to complete my degree. Six months later, some

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Speaker 4: of my musician mates had heard this demo of Crime

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Speaker 4: Project and asked me to be a part of a

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Speaker 4: live band for this music. If I was planning on

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Speaker 4: starting one, well now I was. Now we need a name, right.

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Speaker 4: I wanted something epic, almost biblical. Some of my favorite

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Speaker 4: post rock bands have names that really suit the biblical, cathartic,

487
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Speaker 4: spiritual sound of their music. God Speed You, Black Emperor,

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Speaker 4: personal favorite, Ben, I know you're a fan as well.

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Speaker 3: God is an astronaut.

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Speaker 4: Explosions in the sky cloud kicker if these trees could talk,

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Speaker 4: so I liked the idea of sky in there somewhere.

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Speaker 4: I remember hearing the term sky trumpets mentioned by Ben

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Speaker 4: on one of the episodes, talking about the phenomena of

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Speaker 4: weird noises seemingly without a source occurring around the world.

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Speaker 4: I think it was when you were discussing the windsor

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Speaker 4: hum maybe. Anyway, when I remember the term, it felt

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Speaker 4: like the nice snap of two lego bricks in my head.

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Speaker 4: That had to be our band name. I mentioned it

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Speaker 4: to the guys and they liked it. It's the last

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Speaker 4: bit here, I'm gonna read Ben, my fellow senisthete it's

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Speaker 4: worth noting that Sky Trumpets is not just a band,

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Speaker 4: but a multim projects. One of my goals with this

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Speaker 4: project was to create abstract films for each song based

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Speaker 4: off of my own music, matching or mismatching colors intentionally

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Speaker 4: in my head, grouping songs together for certain releases based

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Speaker 4: on their colors, writing set lists based on songs colors, etc.

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Speaker 4: And Sky Trumpet's music has been the most explicit example

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Speaker 4: of this. Since we are instrumental, I have built a

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Speaker 4: few music visualizers to try to visualize my synesthesia for

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Speaker 4: live performances, admittedly to varying degrees of success, but hoping

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Speaker 4: to have it usable later this year in a more

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Speaker 4: coherent format than I've done before.

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Speaker 3: I just think this is super cool.

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Speaker 4: We talked a little about number stations he goes on

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Speaker 4: and talk about some other projects that he's involved in.

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Speaker 4: But before I toss to the group, highly recommend you

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Speaker 4: check out Sky Trumpets. They're on Instagram and there's the

518
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: link in bio situation that links you out to a

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Speaker 4: lot of these other projects. So man, thanks to moons

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Speaker 4: of Athos for this lovely trip down memory Lane a

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00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: for some of these topics, and just from doing exactly

522
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: what Ben sent the call out to have people share

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Speaker 4: with us making art, you know, out of some of

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Speaker 4: the stuff that we talk about.

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Speaker 3: It's a real honor.

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Speaker 2: I want to shout out something Moon said at the

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Speaker 2: end here that we did not read yet. Moon says,

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Speaker 2: might I make a suggestion while I'm here for this

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Speaker 2: year's spooky season, maybe you could bring back the segment

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Speaker 2: of reading out listeners ghost stories. I think we should

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Speaker 2: do more of that this year or anybody who's listening,

532
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: and we could do those year round. It doesn't have

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Speaker 2: to be spooky season.

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Speaker 1: It's always Halloween in America.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or at the very least, you know on stuff

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Speaker 4: that I want you to know we love it. Also,

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Speaker 4: he said that another band that he's in that's kind

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Speaker 4: of a queer punk band is how he described it,

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Speaker 4: Skin on Flesh, which you can find at Skin on Flesh.

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Speaker 4: Band recently had a song featured in the latest Cyberpunk DLC.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about cyberpunk a little while ago, So

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Speaker 4: that's pretty cool for an indie type band to have

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Speaker 4: their song featured in a game like that.

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Speaker 3: That's good money and good exposure. Well well done, Well done, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I listened to a bit of Thinking Hours from Sky

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Speaker 2: Trumpets and I really did enjoy what I was hearing.

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Speaker 2: And awesome work.

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Speaker 1: You came to the right place, man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I should have maybe written him back

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Speaker 4: to ask if we could play a sample on the show.

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00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: So maybe we'll leave a space here just for a

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Speaker 4: little sample in the in the event that I hear

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00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: back from them with permission before.

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Speaker 2: This errors, I'm gonna recommend around two minutes in and

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Speaker 2: Thinking Hours when the the drums really kick in.

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Speaker 5: Dang it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big, this is shorty, Ben.

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Speaker 4: Any thoughts about the specifically the visual aspects of this

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Speaker 4: trying to recreate the experience of synesthesia.

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Speaker 3: I think that's so cool. Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 1: As we said, you can find the website Experiment sixty

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Speaker 1: four dot com where we can learn more about this stuff.

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00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: And these are the kind of letters we love. Anything

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Speaker 1: that we in this show do that somehow inspires our

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Speaker 1: fellow listeners makes it worth it, I would argue, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, and we've got again, as you

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Speaker 1: pointed out, Nol, we do always ask for permission before

568
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: we air or share your stuff because it is your stuff.

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Speaker 1: But keep them coming. This is just awesome. It really

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Speaker 1: makes our day, I think collectively, or makes our evening.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's take a quick break, hear a word from

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Speaker 4: our sponsor, and then come back with another message from you.

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Speaker 1: And we have returned with a bit of a round up.

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Speaker 1: We are going to share a couple of different emails

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Speaker 1: from some of our fellow conspiracy realists, all commenting about

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Quite recently, folks, As you may recall,

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Speaker 1: we discussed an intensely troubling story about human trafficking and

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Speaker 1: the gray market cannabis trade in Oklahoma. It appears gang

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Speaker 1: that we have hit a bit of a nerve in

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Speaker 1: a good way, because we had a ton of people

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Speaker 1: writing to us and many calling us likely as well,

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Speaker 1: who were responding and saying largely the same thing, agreeing

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Speaker 1: with our take on the recent news and telling us

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Speaker 1: it goes much much deeper. So what I'm thinking we

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Speaker 1: could do is just a brief recap of the story

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Speaker 1: we first found, and then some helpful responses from from

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Speaker 1: our friends in Oklahoma. So the quick recap is this,

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Speaker 1: two men were recently convicted of a drug trafficking conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Chinese nationals. They were popped for illegally trafficking cannabis from

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Speaker 1: an Oklahoma grow operation. Oklahoma does have medical marijuana laws,

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Speaker 1: so there are ways to legally grow distribute cell weed.

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Speaker 1: But what we found was that there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of strings leading away from this. It had been politicized

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Speaker 1: by some authorities as a way of like arguing for

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Speaker 1: a border wall. It had been turned into you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of somewhat racist sinophobia. But Noel Matt

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Speaker 1: I was shocked by how many people wrote to us

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Speaker 1: about this. Did you see some of these emails? We

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00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: got quite a few, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I did, And it was nice to get a little

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Speaker 4: bit of meat on the bones around what's going on

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Speaker 4: on the ground, you know, in Oklahoma and the relationship

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Speaker 4: with cannabis. In terms of the questions we asked, like, way.

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Speaker 3: Is it legal? Why isn't it legal?

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Speaker 4: Like just like the there seems to be some some

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Speaker 4: wrenches in the works in terms of making that happen.

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Speaker 4: And it's sort of an odd situation from from some

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Speaker 4: of the perspectives that I caught a glimpse of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed fully, and we've not been to Oklahoma or wait,

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Speaker 1: let me check this code named DOC. Have you been

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Speaker 1: to Oklahoma?

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Speaker 5: I have I passed through there when I toured with

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Speaker 5: that metal band that I told you about.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, but I didn't stay. You didn't stay.

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Speaker 5: Also dated a guy from Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to shout about on the air?

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Speaker 1: I don't?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so at least we have one person who's

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Speaker 1: had some boots on the ground here. Our first letter says, Hi,

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Speaker 1: my name is Whitney. I own a medical marijuana dispensary

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Speaker 1: in Durant. Durant, Oklahoma, and I am thrilled you guys

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Speaker 1: covered the human trafficking issue. It's the worst kept secret

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Speaker 1: in the state, especially in our industry. We've been trying

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Speaker 1: to bring attention to the horrors that are happening all

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Speaker 1: around us. We've been to farms that were housing workers

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Speaker 1: from Asia and we immediately knew something was wrong. They're

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Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, no cell service, not much

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. They're living in warehouses with bunk beds. These

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Speaker 1: groups have shady business practices. They don't follow the regulatory guidance.

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Speaker 1: So this dispensary has never bought any of their products.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is Magnolia City Apothecary. I love

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Speaker 1: the word apothecary, me too. We should use that more often, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's actually a really cool tape label called Oris Apothecary.

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Speaker 3: Love it.

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Speaker 1: And Whitney continues and says that for the past couple

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Speaker 1: of years this has been kind of like the Wild West,

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Speaker 1: lots of open spaces, not much oversight. The Russian mafia

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Speaker 1: may have also caught onto this trafficking. We're starting to

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: see their farms pop up. They guard their farms with

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Speaker 1: armed security and machine guns. Stuff is wild. Sorry, when

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Speaker 1: he editing for a family show, and Whitney says, hoping

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Speaker 1: law enforcement continues to shut down these outfits that are

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Speaker 1: exploiting these people. Then we got another recommendation directing us

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Speaker 1: to an Instagram account called healthy dot Buffalo that talks

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00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: about that has a story with someone who had to

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Speaker 1: deal with the crazy issues concerning the Oklahoma marijuana industry.

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Speaker 1: And I looked into this. It seems that the state

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Speaker 1: is as this conspiracy really says, the state has been

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Speaker 1: trying to shut down those illegal growth farms. They're owned

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Speaker 1: by out of state or out of country owners. The

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Speaker 1: paperwork filed with the State of Oklahoma has go ghost owners. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: I read some of these ghost owners were lawyers. Imagine

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Speaker 1: that I have read and watched the shutdown of many

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Speaker 1: illegal farms, and I've read about executions of foreign workers

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Speaker 1: at these illegal growtharms. This is nuts. This person also

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Speaker 1: recommends we go to Oklahoma dot gov slash omma for

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Speaker 1: more information. And these are just like a couple of

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Speaker 1: the things. I didn't know it w this deep, but

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Speaker 1: we talked about this a little bit, right, We talked

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Speaker 1: about how there appeared to be more at work than

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Speaker 1: just two sketchy dudes.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent, And I mean, it's another one of

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Speaker 4: these examples where prohibition of any kind often yields a

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Speaker 4: smoke screen with which to conduct all kinds of shady

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Speaker 4: business under behind whatever you do with a smoke screen.

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Speaker 1: Around just in the air, it's weird, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean?

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Speaker 4: Though, Like if it weren't if there weren't an asp

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Speaker 4: of this that were kind of off book, then they

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have been able to disguise a lot of these

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Speaker 4: other like mega shady activities.

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Speaker 1: Agreed one hundred percent. And there are more letters that

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Speaker 1: we received. One is from the Circumspect coyote who says,

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Speaker 1: good day, gentlemen. As I listened to your strange news

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Speaker 1: segment on human trafficking in Oklahoma, I could only think, yep,

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Speaker 1: that's about par for the course. In two thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: says our friendly coyote, the John Pickle Company in Tulsa

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Speaker 1: had brought in a number of Indian nationals and sequestered

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Speaker 1: them on the property and made them into de facto's slaves.

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Speaker 1: These individuals were here legally on a work visa, but

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Speaker 1: those visas and any personal identification was taken from them

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Speaker 1: and held hostage to ensure their cooperation. They were drawn

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Speaker 1: in under the banner of higher pay and select fields

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Speaker 1: than they were subjected to two dollars an hour wages,

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Speaker 1: poor living in work conditions, and no freedom. And this

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Speaker 1: coyote were in records or did work in records at

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Speaker 1: the Tulsa Police Department for years and says, human trafficking

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Speaker 1: comes up constantly, and maybe again, you know, maybe we

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Speaker 1: were just a bit unfamiliar or naive. But I think

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Speaker 1: most Americans outside of Oklahoma do not immediately think of

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Speaker 1: human trafficking when they think of that state. We all

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Speaker 1: thought of the musical.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I think that's not an accident, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I hate the term because it seems dismissive,

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Speaker 4: but oftentimes people will describe Oklahoma as a flyover state.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of those the states sort of

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Speaker 3: in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Are often off the radar of mainstream reporting, which is

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Speaker 4: what allows things like this to maybe go on for

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Speaker 4: longer unnoticed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point, though it's easy to

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Speaker 1: ignore it, you know. And it reminds me a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the situation that can happen with immigrant workers

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Speaker 1: in Middle Eastern countries. Don't you travel and then the

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Speaker 1: person employing you possesses your documents and may indeed take

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Speaker 1: possession of your passport. It's a very very dangerous thing.

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Speaker 1: And also Coyote points out that these people would be

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Speaker 1: controlled by having threats made against their family members, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them came from US cities, from Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles or New York. And then Coyote shares with us

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Speaker 1: a story from the Oklahoman from two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: so it gives us a sense of how long this

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff has been happening. In this case, there

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Speaker 1: were fifty two captive workers from India who were basically

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Speaker 1: laboring in forced servitude, and it took the way the

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma puts it is it took one quote unquote crazy

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Speaker 1: Christian to intervene, the implication being that law enforcement wasn't

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Speaker 1: doing anything.

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Speaker 4: I do have to point out one thing that maybe

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Speaker 4: will lighten them MO just a little bit. And again

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Speaker 4: I pologize if this is stating the obvious, but I

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Speaker 4: love that this coyote is circumspect rather than Wiley. Yes,

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Speaker 4: just throw that out there in case it flew by anybody.

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Speaker 3: Some clever nicky names coming through on today's episode.

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Speaker 1: And then Crystal writes to us saying much the same thing,

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Speaker 1: and points out specifically the history of the history of

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Speaker 1: medical marijuana in the state. Crystal says, quote, since medical

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Speaker 1: marijuana was legalized in Oklahoma in twenty eighteen, there have

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Speaker 1: been big repercussions. The law was rushed through with little

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Speaker 1: real oversight of grow licensing or regulation in the issuance

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Speaker 1: of medical licenses. And pause there, because that's something we've

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Speaker 1: seen with pretty much every medical marijuana state. Right Like

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Speaker 1: I have glaucoma maybe or a vague sense of unease.

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Speaker 4: It's a loophole, yes, a million percent. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's why it's comical that there's something, whether it philosophically

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Speaker 4: or whatever, that's venting these states from taking that leap

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Speaker 4: to to pure recreation because it's obviously going to need

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Speaker 4: more money because it's open to the floodgates. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean when California went legal for you know, medical,

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Speaker 4: all you hear was stories about people saying generalized anxiety disorder,

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Speaker 4: which is honestly something that I don't think smoking weed

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Speaker 4: would would help very much. It tends to make people

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Speaker 4: more anxious, but I guess it depends on the strain.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's weird, like why are where? Why are

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Speaker 4: people getting log jammed between medical and recreational, Like Georgia

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Speaker 4: is so puritanical in the way that we handle that

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Speaker 4: stuff that I think we've only got medical in a

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Speaker 4: very specific situation that involves not even the smokable flower,

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Speaker 4: just the like change pills at all, I think is

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Speaker 4: what it's called. And it's apparently kind of bull crap.

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Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't really do the job.

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Speaker 1: It only went over the finish line in the state's

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Speaker 1: legislative body because, uh, because some some politician promised it

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Speaker 1: would not be fun they literally said, don't worry, no

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Speaker 1: one's getting high. No one has a new appreciation of

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Speaker 1: baselines or ambient music. Right, this is just medicine. And

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Speaker 1: we see that kind of turtanical is a perfect word.

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Speaker 1: We see this occur in a lot of other states.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think for a long time in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: you could just say that you were a fan of

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Speaker 1: Michigan State and they would they would sign you up

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Speaker 1: for a they would sign you up for some weed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna take that. True. It's too late, Doc,

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Speaker 1: you can't stop us. No, no comment.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I have a heck of a

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Speaker 3: lot to add here.

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Speaker 4: I obviously thrown a Matt, but he's dealing with some

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Speaker 4: home renovation stuff. He had to jump away for him.

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Speaker 4: And unless you worry that that he's being so quiet,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Ben anything else to any other noteworthy

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Speaker 4: responses to that topic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end on. Let's and on just one or

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Speaker 1: two more things that are important for us non Oklahomas

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Speaker 1: to know. Continuing with Crystal, by law, a grow operation

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Speaker 1: in Oklahoma is required to be owned a majority by

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Speaker 1: a resident of the state a year or two ago,

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Speaker 1: it was discovered that foreign owners were using Oklahoma law

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Speaker 1: firms as straw man owners, and hundreds of grows were

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Speaker 1: shut down. The state stopped issuing new licenses. It's still

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Speaker 1: reworking the system. Many of these illicit operations work with

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Speaker 1: drug cartels as well as using quote unquote not so

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Speaker 1: legal employment methods. All of this does, unfortunately make a

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Speaker 1: great cover for moving things and people for nefarious purposes.

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Speaker 1: Even before the grow problem, Oklahoma has been a hub

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Speaker 1: for human trafficking, add major cartel and gang activity. There

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Speaker 1: are several interstates crossing in Oklahoma City, so it's very

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Speaker 1: easy to lose track of suspicious vehicles and to get things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good points, right crossroads, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: easy to obscure all these movements. No, I'm so glad

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Speaker 4: that this hit a nerve because this was news to

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Speaker 4: all of us. And the more we hear back from

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Speaker 4: you conspiracy realists out there, the picture the pieces really

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00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: start to come into full focus and lie. Of course

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Speaker 4: this makes sense and this is gosh. It wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: able to do that without you, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still writing back to everyone, but I want

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Speaker 1: to thank all our fellow conspiracy realists for weighing in

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Speaker 1: with this first hand experience. The major highways that a

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00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: lot of our Oklahoma and friends are talking about are

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Speaker 1: I thirty five, I forty, and I forty four. There

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Speaker 1: is a huge problem with potential trafficking. There is a

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Speaker 1: lot of political controversy here. I think just to keep

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Speaker 1: this one short, I think the best way for us

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Speaker 1: to end or thank everybody for tuning in is back

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Speaker 1: is to let you know, Hey, Matt, we'll come back.

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Speaker 1: Is to let you know that if you suspect a

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Speaker 1: case of human trafficking here in the United States, it

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Speaker 1: is very important for you to speak up because often

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Speaker 1: this stuff only functions because people ignore fairly obvious signs.

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Speaker 1: So if you suspect a case of human trafficking, please

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Speaker 1: do contact one eight eight three seven three seven eight

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Speaker 1: eight eight. That's one eight eight eight three seven three seven.

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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight.

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Speaker 1: That's the National Human Trafficking Hotline. And folks, this stuff

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Speaker 1: does matter. Human trafficking is a real conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Said that I missed this. I looked through the messages

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Speaker 2: that we got that you compiled there, Ben, and it's

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Speaker 2: just really intense And sorry, I wasn't here for that discussion.

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Speaker 2: I did just learn that you can get a brand

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Speaker 2: new garage door for significantly less than an Apple Vision Pro.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, pretty soon you'll have to have a Vision

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Speaker 1: Pro to buy a garage door. It's coming, there's some

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Speaker 1: version of it. I also had a great conversation with

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Speaker 1: a friend of the show who is the United States

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Speaker 1: needs a new deal to improve things in this country,

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Speaker 1: but people are so sensitive to names. We're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out what you would call a new deal to

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Speaker 1: get voters on board, and we came up with an idea.

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Speaker 1: You guys are gonna love wait for it, America.

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Speaker 3: Plus, hey, I got a pitch for you guys. How

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Speaker 3: about this?

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Speaker 4: Okay, ready, you're ready, virtual garage door boom. Just chew

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Speaker 4: on that.

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Speaker 1: So, fellow conspiracy realists, thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. You are the best part of the show.

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Speaker 1: We would love for you to join up with us.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear your thoughts. We try to

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Speaker 1: be easy to find online even if you don't have

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Speaker 1: an Apple Vision Pro.

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Speaker 4: That's true, not necessary, and our barrier of entry is

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Speaker 4: quite low. You have actually three ways you can get

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Speaker 4: touch with us. First is on the Internet, where you

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Speaker 4: can reach us at the handle conspiracy Stuff, or we

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Speaker 4: exist on Facebook, or we have a Facebook group. Here's

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Speaker 4: where it gets crazy, is what that's called. We also

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Speaker 2: who called us about small town corruption in Johnson City, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: something we may have to talk about in the future.

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Speaker 2: Looking at you, Ben, especially because I think you might

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Speaker 2: even know where that place is, just because of where

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