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Speaker 1: On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked movies have

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Speaker 1: Or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the beck Del Cast. This is our this

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Speaker 1: is our best episode yet. My name is Jamie, my

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin, and welcome to the best episode of

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Speaker 1: the Beckdel Cast. You're ever going to hear in your

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Speaker 1: goddamn life. This is uh podcast about the role of

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Speaker 1: women in movies today. What is it about? I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll just find out wit movie today. It's more like

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Speaker 1: an Alfred Moina themed fan show kind of I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like the celebration of him and his career. We should

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Speaker 1: have warned our guests how much we will probably talk

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Speaker 1: about Alfred what's his name? Oh my god, Alfred Molina. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I had a stroke, but um, Jamie's obsessed with Alfred Molina.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to steer the conversation away. He rush

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Speaker 1: had a large poster. We should have sent an email.

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Speaker 1: I had a large poster of Dot Dock in my room.

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Speaker 1: My parents thought I like comics. I was just all

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Speaker 1: horned up for Alfred. Wait, but so he's not exactly

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Speaker 1: the choose your words poster child of sex icon and

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Speaker 1: Spiderman too, not at a cake, so it still works

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Speaker 1: for you. I got into the beefcakes very early. All right,

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Speaker 1: real quick, So we'll give you a proper introduction. But

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Speaker 1: first let's just dive right into. So we have a

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Speaker 1: podcast inspired by the back Doel test, which requires that

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Speaker 1: the movie, the show, the comic book, whenever story you're consuming.

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Speaker 1: It requires that there are two female characters who have names,

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Speaker 1: who talk to each other in the conversation has to

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Speaker 1: be about something other than a man. We talked about that,

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Speaker 1: we talked about how women are portrayed just in general

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Speaker 1: in the movie, and we have a great time. As

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Speaker 1: you said, best episode yet, Yeah, this is our I

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Speaker 1: would guess around our thirty fifth episode pretty close, and

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Speaker 1: I would say we've talked about al from Mollina and

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Speaker 1: maybe thirty four. I don't know if we mentioned him

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Speaker 1: he finds a way. Is he's such a character actor

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Speaker 1: I wish I had been out from Mollina, but he did. Fine,

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about most beefcake character actors, like

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Speaker 1: no Alfred Mollina. But yeah, he did the job he

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Speaker 1: writes in draws graphic novels. He is writing Iceman for

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Speaker 1: Marvel right now. He also has a graphic novel called

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Speaker 1: Nothing Last Forever Seen a Grace, which, you know what

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Speaker 1: The movie we're talking about today is Spider Man two Parentheses,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. In case you're like, oh, what

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Speaker 1: if it's the Andrew Garfield, No, and it's not. It's Toby.

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Speaker 1: It's it's Toby. Should we say it like Jennifer Connelly

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Speaker 1: how Because Toby is the baby right, oh right, baby

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Speaker 1: Toby Toby McGuire. We can make the argument of this

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Speaker 1: I think he's got another he's got a second wind. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what do you think seeing that he looks like Peter Parker,

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Speaker 1: There's been a disturbance, that's his line. There were disturbance.

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Speaker 1: of the bit characters in this movie. There are four

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Speaker 1: So you know, let's talk about, Um, when did you

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Speaker 1: because you you right for Marvel, you you're like Universe?

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Speaker 1: How is about? Because Jamie and I we recently did

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Speaker 1: an episode about Wonder Woman, and I revealed that I've

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm a graphic novel gut, but I've never

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Speaker 1: that they gave like Doctor Octopus, like a little bit

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00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: more of a soul, you know, like because in the

421
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: books that happened. Like every once in a while he'll

422
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: get like moved, Like there's a minute where he aristotle

423
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: like nod or don't not or whatever. But like there's

424
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: a minute where like he's dating a may right like

425
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: in the book Whoa or he has a crush on

426
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: her look it up. And that's and it was rewatching

427
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: the movie and I was like, oh, right, is that

428
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with this like Aunt Macine and

429
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: the you know on on the side of the building.

430
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, what she does the thing that

431
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: like every superhero writer does, And it's like and then

432
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: the woman does her part by like daintily smacking him

433
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: in the head at the right moment. So that was

434
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: the extent of their four play. Yeah, she did do

435
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: good though. That was a well timed I'm gonna hit

436
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: you on the head. That was a good goof. It

437
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: ends up she saves Spider Man because otherwise he was

438
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: gonna impale him with you know, his his sharp claw bit.

439
00:24:53,400 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: Also his four fallust is just floiling around in the books.

440
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: Is there a better explanation for why the clause exist?

441
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: Because in the presentation it's weird. He's like, I made

442
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: these clause I control my brain. Also made as to

443
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: magnetism and like radiation or something like that. Okay, I

444
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: couldn't heat. It's it's like almost a throwaway line, but okay,

445
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: but they do offer something because I was just like, oh,

446
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: that's why he needs to to me at least why

447
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: he needs to fuse them into his spinal column, Like

448
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: why can't you just build a robot that he can

449
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: control from afar? Does anyone get to wear that? Because

450
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: then he wouldn't be able to be The broad strokes

451
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: are kind of the same, like he was a scientist

452
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: and did this thing. I don't think and I can't remember,

453
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: so please Internet, don't get mad at me or judge me.

454
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: But like, I don't remember if there was that. Like

455
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: also like and then there's this weird explosion thing that

456
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: like explains why he's a crazy person. Yeah, well his

457
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: inhibitor chip. Yeah, because that was the whole thing that's

458
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: at the chip that's in one of his monologue scenes

459
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: in the book. I don't think the tentacles is what

460
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: they like to call them. I don't have agency. I

461
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: think he's just a guy who's gone corrupt with power,

462
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know, I might need to.

463
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: I got to look into this because I don't I know,

464
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: I think Rosie's in the books too, but I don't

465
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: think it's all as like neatly packaged, as like here

466
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: are these causes and effects like and that is why

467
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: like he hates Spiderman and this, that and the other.

468
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a similar thing where like he's

469
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: like controlling these things and they just kind of make

470
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: him a little too invincible for his own good Haristotle,

471
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: what about the doc dock and not many thing it

472
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: happened almost almost marry marring him. Also fun fact for

473
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: you too, because you don't read the comics. There was

474
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: a minute where Dr Octopus his brain was in Spider

475
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: Man's body for a while Peter Parker's body. Toby McGuire

476
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: exuding Alfred Molina vibes, can't imagine interesting twist. Yes, we'll

477
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: write this fan fix. I hope that they just also

478
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: just rubbed her screen, because there's a picture of it.

479
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: I didn't just touch it. That was involuntary. I'm sorry

480
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: I called you out being shamed. Uh. I hope that

481
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: they gave Alfred Billina those I want to say three

482
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: full monologue scenes. One is especially long where he goes

483
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: the chip that that one's very long. But as we

484
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: all know, Alfred Bolena joined the Royal Shakespeare Company in

485
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: ninety seven. He is no stranger to monologues. He's a

486
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: serious stage actor. So I hope they were like, well,

487
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: we've got to have Billina as octopus, which I doubt

488
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: that they ever said. But he's a character actor, he seasoned.

489
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: He blew them away, and they're like, we've got to

490
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: write some we gotta let him talk to these claws.

491
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: Seems like it seems like he could really hear me out.

492
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: If you can make some sweet screen chemistry with claws,

493
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe you're the greatest actor to ever live. Maybe. Well,

494
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: he and he is really convincing and like that. He's great. Hey,

495
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about something other than a man in this episode.

496
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard in this one. Okay, well let

497
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: me start. So we already kind of touched on this before,

498
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: but not really surprised that m j main female character

499
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: doesn't really have much of a personality. She's not a

500
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: super developed or fleshed out character. She really exists only

501
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: as the love interest. Her role is to be captured

502
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: and then to be saved. She's ali and over again.

503
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Well let me crush some lit one on one on YouTube.

504
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: I was just realizing this on the drive over. Everything

505
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: about her is static, Like when Peter walks by all

506
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: the same image of her, you know what I mean,

507
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Like the whole movie, it's the same billboard, the same image.

508
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: She's just there in place, essentially waiting for him. And

509
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: then even the play, like she's just in one place

510
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: performing the same lines over and over again. That's really

511
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: interesting that she does, like, for all intents and purposes,

512
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: just exists to kind of stand around as an example

513
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: of something, you know, Like she's just static. Yeah, and

514
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: it makes her very passive. I mean she pretty much

515
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: does nothing actively to push the story forward or to

516
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: really do anything that she prompts whatever the next thing

517
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Peter is going to do. So who would But that's boring? Okay,

518
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: this is I'm probably not phrasing this right, but like,

519
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: why would you still have like a boner for someone

520
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: who's like, hey, and in a few months we haven't talked,

521
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I got engaged. This is would be mad all the

522
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: scenes Mary Jane is so confusing in in this because

523
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: she's not a flashed out character, but all the scenes

524
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: she's in with Peter are so weird. Like there's that

525
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: scene where Peter's leaving his own birthday party and Mary

526
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Jane's outside of her parents house, and there's that weird

527
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: conversation where he's you know, like not wanting to say

528
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: I love you because he's still Spider Man. And then

529
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: she gets very like close to him and it's basically

530
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: like say you love me, and say you love me,

531
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: and then he doesn't, and then she's like, Okay, well

532
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend. And I was just like, why

533
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: would you act that way? That's so bizarre. And then

534
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: and then at the end, when did I cry? When

535
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Peter was like we can't be together? Sure in the

536
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: big web that talk, I'm easily manipulated. To be fair,

537
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that I should have cried, but I did.

538
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: But then you know, she's lowered from the big old

539
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: com web that her he blows a load, they lounge,

540
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: inet hearts are broken, and then she's lowered from the

541
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: load down to her long suffering. It reminds me of

542
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: Liz Lemon's fake boyfriend. That's who MJ's marrying, like astronaut,

543
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: famous astronaut, that's basically who MJ is engaged to. He's perfect.

544
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: There's that great line where she like was like, no,

545
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: let's do the Spider Man kiss. She does a Spiderman

546
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: kiss with the astronaut, and because he's not a character either,

547
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: he's like, I feel like I'm on the moon. That

548
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: was so weird. Was not such a weird life. I

549
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: was like, we get it. He's a spaceman. That was

550
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: confusing because he was like, do you want to invite

551
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: your friend Peter Parker to the wedding. She's like Peter Parker, No,

552
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: I hate him, He's a jerk. You're like Spider Man.

553
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: She's weird. She's like, my back, so I can do

554
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: that Spider Man kiss to see maybe you're Spider Man.

555
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, are either with me? And she's just

556
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: like shrug. And then in the next scene she's meeting

557
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: Peter for coffee and she's like, I changed my mind. Well, okay,

558
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: you could argue that her kiss, her Spider Man kiss

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: with astronaut Mike Dexter, wasn't as invigorating as she was hoping,

560
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: and then, but then why does she go and seek

561
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: out Spider Man unless she and just intuitively knows that

562
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Peter Parker is Spider Man. It was confusing why she's like, well,

563
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: I just spent the earlier scene telling my fiance how

564
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: much I hated you. But let's get coffee and maybe

565
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: we're and you say, like, maybe I'll break up with

566
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: my astronaut boyfriend for you, a freelance photographer and who

567
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: is emotionally withholding and a college student grow up? Also,

568
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: did you notice that every woman in this movie, like

569
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: under the age of sixty, was like who is that guy?

570
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: Like every girl in the movie was like, Elizabeth, thanks

571
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: the neighbor Peter. Yeah, she's like you got this? Who

572
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: would say that to a twenty year old freelance photographer,

573
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: No one. Yeah, she was into him. The neighbors into him.

574
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: M J. Obviously we just said is into him? There

575
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: were a few others here and there that we're just

576
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: like always like, oh, who's that? And I was just like,

577
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: are you like what he's like walking on his campus

578
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: and after in his like this like rain drops keep

579
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: falling on my head montage and he's like girls walk

580
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: past him and they're like tink you're cute. I do

581
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: like that. He does a bit of a reverse Princess

582
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Diaries for that montage where he's like, I'm putting the

583
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: glasses on and now my life is great interesting. Um.

584
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: That sequence ends in the most confusing freeze frame of

585
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: all time. It's the best. It's I mean, I feel

586
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: like that montage is and this is a very silly movie.

587
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: That's almost as silly as the movie gets. But in

588
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Spider Man three, Spider Man three is that montage spread

589
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: out for like forty hours because it's so like I mean,

590
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: if you take the raindrops are falling on my head

591
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: montage and then hold it up next to the weird

592
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: dance scene, I forget. But that's another one where that's

593
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: another one where women are turned on by Toby McGuire

594
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, they're not. He looks like he's

595
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: about to snap someone's bones. He is a scary guy.

596
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Do we know the song, oh, speaking of songs, vindicated

597
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: by Dashboard Confessional was written for this movie. There's references

598
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: in the because I remember this is it's the perfect

599
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: hot topics on the um. But there there's like a

600
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: whole verse about Mary Jane's wedding ring and how it's

601
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: like oversized and overwhelmed, like it's there's a whole it's

602
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: all about Spider Man, dashboard confessional man, cool, cool story

603
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: yourself at okay, let's talk about it from Willie a

604
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: little um. It's just really it's frustrating that she's basically

605
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: reduced to effectively an object. That's like now you're captured,

606
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: now you're saved, now you're captured again, and now you're

607
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: saying like it just happens over and over. She's doesn't

608
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: do anything to ever try to save herself or to

609
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: like when she's in the end of the movie, she's

610
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: in like chains, she's like, all right, I'll just I'm

611
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: just gonna stay here. I'm try to she does the

612
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: thing that that the captured woman does where she's like, hey,

613
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: let me go and he's like no. And then but

614
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: she does try to defend herself once and it's so

615
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: weird the way it's dealt with where there's that moment

616
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: in the last scene where Mary Jane she takes a

617
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: crowbar or something and she tries to hit Doc and

618
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: he just picks her up and throws her. And that

619
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: is the one time she tries to do something and

620
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: it it blows up in her face. Immediately, she's like

621
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: his mechanical arms look at her. Yeah, he doesn't like

622
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: back turned. Damn. I was almost excited. I was like, Oh,

623
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: she does do something. But then he's like and she

624
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: doesn't give him the chance. And then a wall is

625
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: about to follow her, and then Spider Man is like,

626
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: we'll prop this up for you. This is really heavy,

627
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: and then she's like, I'll just stay here, and yeah,

628
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't get her away. I think she's trapped under something.

629
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: But I also think that the in the other direction

630
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: is the big ball of energy, so maybe she was

631
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: going to get I'll give her the benefit of the the doubt.

632
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: They didn't need to have a conversation at that point

633
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: where she was like, you said you do love me.

634
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: He's like like that that said it's I've tried to

635
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: remember the exact wording of it, because it was also

636
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: very silly, where it was like, okay, she's kind of

637
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: over explaining rehab sin something that's already happened. Where she

638
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: was like, you said you didn't love me, but you

639
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: do even though you said you didn't, and I was like, okay,

640
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: you could just say you do love me, but she

641
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: like like double negatives it just to even everything out.

642
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: She's dumb, he's dumb. It's well, it's so funny. Like

643
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: I'm just watching it and I'm like, oh, like this

644
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: was written by men, Like it's just so funny. There's

645
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: so much bullshit, you know, we can talk about in

646
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: the sense of like yeah, they're all wallpaper and they're

647
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: all serving this guy's story. And I just in my head,

648
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm like these what like what morons? And it's like, well,

649
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: they were probably just they just had the best of

650
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: intentions in their heads. Like guys are so dumb that

651
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: they think like the best way to honor a woman

652
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: is to say, look, how much you inspired me. That's

653
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: kind of all this movie is, is like meals well,

654
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: but I'm not and I'm not forgiving it or excusing it.

655
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm watching it and I'm like trying

656
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: to be like, why would you just do it like

657
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: with like so few dimensions? And it's like I think

658
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: that's why. It's like they're just so busy. These writers

659
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: are so busy crafting like this one character, and all

660
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: they can think about is how like everyone else fits

661
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: in their lives and it's like, yeah, the woman are

662
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: just always love interests and like damsels and they inspire

663
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: them or move them or die in order to get

664
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: them to do the thing. And like, right, if they

665
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: just try it a little harder, they could write developed

666
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: female characters. Like it's not writing is hard, It's not

667
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: that much harder to just do a better job portraying women. Like,

668
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to go so far as

669
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: to write a feature length script, like maybe spend a

670
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: little time on these female characters. Well, Alfred gets all

671
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: these monologues, I mean, and I would not take a

672
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: word away from him. However, I will flip this table.

673
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about Aunt May in this movie very much.

674
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: I was surprised she had more moments than I thought

675
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: she would. She I feel like she is the closest

676
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: to having a female character with some depth because she

677
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: does exist. Like Uncle Ben did too say a line

678
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: in the trailer, I believe there's a hero in all

679
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: of us. I remember that from the trailer, right, you know,

680
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: both the aunt dan the uncle exists for the trailer.

681
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: But we do see like we see her grieving a

682
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: little bit, and so there's a little depth there. We

683
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: see that she's having money problems. There's a little depth there.

684
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: And then you also sort of get a bit of

685
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: an arc which is amazing that it's like a female

686
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: character head a one point arc um. But she does

687
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: where she sort of starts to move on, and it's like,

688
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting evicted from my house. I found an apartment.

689
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: Little neighbor boys, help me out. I don't need your help, Peter.

690
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: If you want to hang out, feel free. She's wearing

691
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: a flannel. I'm like, good for you. Like she's she's

692
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: starting to like, you have to take matters into my

693
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: own hands. I can't afford this house anymore. And then

694
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: there's the moment where Peter comes forward like I might

695
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: be responsible for Uncle Ben's death and she's just like mother.

696
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: And then and then in the next scene when they're

697
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: together again, he's like, hey, about my last visit, and

698
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: she's like, we need to talk about it. I'm over it.

699
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Let's move on. I want to say I thought that

700
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: that was a believable. Yeah, especially for like, I don't

701
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: know she was like that. She has like some level

702
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: of complexity. If she was never mad about it, that

703
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: would have been weird. She was upset about it at first. Sure,

704
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: so yeah, she's like she has to mention, she has

705
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: a story. It's just unfortunate that like everything about her

706
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: is like built around like the actions of men, you

707
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like her husband his death, her

708
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: nephews being responsible for his death at the hand of

709
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: another man, like all this, you know, even the neighbor boy,

710
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: even the neighbor what couldn't there be a little man? Yeah,

711
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: Joel mccale, the scientists, all the scientists and doctors who

712
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: get to talk or men. Yeah, like yeah, no women

713
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: in STEM with lines as would say, there were women.

714
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: We were talking about this the scene that's that's a

715
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: great Sam Raimy scene where Doc Cock murders ten surgeons that, yeah,

716
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: And I think I had almost like kind of blocked

717
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: it out because I remember being afraid of it, but

718
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: I'd just forgotten until I saw it this watch. And

719
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of women in that scene, a lot

720
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: of women in STEM. But I think that they're just

721
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: there because Sam Raimy is like, we need screamers. Yeah,

722
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: they shrieked like so much, And there's all these intense

723
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: close ups of women going well, yeah, and then one

724
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: woman who like digs her fingernails into the floor scrape. Yeah,

725
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: it was scary. Um. I want to do a super

726
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: cut of all the just women screaming in this movie,

727
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: because I think it would be about twenty minutes long. Yeah.

728
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: I think they did a decently good job with Aunt May,

729
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: giving her a little bit of depth, and it's nice

730
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: to see like a woman over fifty in a movie

731
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: oftentime doesn't happen. I think the only thing that kind

732
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: of like, oh, man, come on was when do captures her.

733
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: It is tossing her around and all that stuff. How

734
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: did she not going to cardiac arrestling? Although the best

735
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: that's that in that fight scene. It's not the best

736
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: fight scene in the movie. That's obviously the train scene.

737
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: But there's the best Alpha Molina line read in that

738
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: scene where a Spider Man is like, give me my

739
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: aunt or whatever, and he's like, but love that love

740
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: my brother, And I like, I texted my brother when

741
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: I saw that, because we used to say that line

742
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: back and forth through each other and then we would

743
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: just drop stuff anyways. And then she, like you mentioned,

744
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: she does get her moment where she gets to hit

745
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: him with her umbrella over the head. In it, Um

746
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: saves Spider Man from getting dead. But UM stopped throwing

747
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: women around. Yeah, throw throw James Franco around a little bit, right.

748
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: He does get a little bit thrown around, and then

749
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: his glass of whiskey, like all most hits him in

750
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: the face and then catches it at the last minute.

751
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: We haven't talked that much about James Breako. Let's not.

752
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: I read his book of one of his books of poetry.

753
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm good. I have a signed copy. I was to say.

754
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: He did a reading at book Soup where I used

755
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: to work, and I managed that day and was one

756
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: of the most traumatic days in my life. Was a

757
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: diva or was it? He was fine. It was just

758
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: the five hundred thousand teenagers and he was so I

759
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: was like, stopped touching them. He was touching their hands.

760
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: That's what they wanted to Speaking of books of poetry, though,

761
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: did you know that if you read a woman poetry

762
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: fa with you forever? They're according to But but to

763
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: be fair, his personalityless wife corroborated it. She's like, it's true,

764
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: it worked. I have three days to live, you know.

765
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to mention was that while

766
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: m J does get tossed around, captured, saved, blah blah blah,

767
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: that's really her only role in this movie. She does

768
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: kind of redeem herself in the end, although I don't

769
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: think it's very earned, because she is so flat of

770
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: a character that I think they're like, well, we need

771
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: to write this line for her to say, and then

772
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: it will make everything better. But it's when at the

773
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: very end, it's after she's discovered that Peter Parker and

774
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Spider Man are the same person, and she's like, oh,

775
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: and we do we love each other and we right

776
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: you were and I love you and he's like, we

777
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: can't be together. I have enemies. I'm crying, which like

778
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. She still gets captured. Even though that she

779
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: didn't like might as well be fucking might as well,

780
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: which is kind of what she says, because um, sorry,

781
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: where is it I have it? Can't you respect me

782
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: enough to make my own decision? Yes, is the line,

783
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: but that line comes right after she says I can't

784
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: survive without you, so it's like sandwiched in between. That's

785
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: like one good line sandwiched in between bad lines. But

786
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: that that was that stood out to me too. I

787
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: wrote that down, and then she's like, but like, could

788
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: MJ just when she's lowered into the web, into the

789
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: arms of astronaut mic Nexter, could she just say, well,

790
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Peter is following his path right now, whatever,

791
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean she has to marry a man

792
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't love like and she just lands and there's

793
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: that shot where he's holding her and she's looking back

794
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: at Peter. I'm like, you could just be single. You're twenty.

795
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: We gotta get that runaway bride moment in there, though

796
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: he's got to run through New York in a wedding drest.

797
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: That was I was feeling more for astronaut Mike Dexter

798
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: in that scene because he seemed ready. He seemed ready.

799
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: He's probably thirty, you know, he had he would have

800
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: had to have gone through all kinds of training to

801
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: be an astronaut and to go in the moon. He

802
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: had already played football in the moon. That was the

803
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: first man to throw a football on the moon. Let's

804
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: talk about really quick the age of women, and specifically

805
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: because I was just trying to look up as Banks

806
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: in regards to this movie, because I had forgotten she

807
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: was in it. Apparently she was like almost MJ in

808
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: the first movie, which is why they end Sam Ramy

809
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: ended up kind of throwing her into this movie because

810
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: he felt bad, but she was told at the time

811
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: because I guess she's like a year older than Tobey

812
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: Maguire and they're like, no, you're too old, I can't

813
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: do it. Too old to play m j J. She was. Yeah.

814
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: This is also I tolby why are shouldn't have been

815
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: cast and why we are all excited about Tom Holland,

816
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: But like he's too old to play Spider Man, you

817
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he was like twenty six

818
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: when they started this thing, and I don't know how

819
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: old Kirsten Done was. I forget that she's Kirston Done,

820
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: so she was like thirty inexperience at that point because

821
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: of that was like posticides. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she had

822
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: already done something I cannot wait to do with episode.

823
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm jazzed that would mean. But yeah, that's a that's interesting.

824
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: Maybe Aristotle remembers this, but because neither of you read

825
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: comic books, therefore you never read Wizard and Ashamed. No no, no,

826
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: no no no, I'm more like I'm what I'm trying

827
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: to say, is I don't. I'm I'm setting it up

828
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: so I don't sound like a man splaining that's good

829
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: for you. So I'm trying to more be like hey,

830
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: like because you know, you didn't read this shitty comic

831
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: book magazine in the nineties. You don't remember when the

832
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: James Cameron name was floating around. They were like, let's

833
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: dreamcast Spider Man the movie, and they wanted they said,

834
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio should be Peter Parker. And then they wanted

835
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Nicky Cox. Remember her, look her up. She was on

836
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: that sitcom in the nineties, and that's what they wanted

837
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: to play. Like that's like, oh interesting, that's what like

838
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: fanboys thought, Like Mary Jane was so like, well, she's

839
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: got yeah, she's got the classic built like the boobs

840
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: and no waste. She's got that, yeah, no waste cup,

841
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: little old us behind the eyes. Yeah she would have.

842
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: She would have fit the bill. But then they're like,

843
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: let's go a little unconventional. Let's let's get Kiki in

844
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: her gap. Let's get the gap in there, let's see

845
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: what happens. So she yeah, it's so just to let

846
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, like that character is like screwed no matter

847
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: how you look at it. And in the comic book,

848
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: Like again, I'm not defending any of this. This is

849
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: just all like, oh, it's really funny, like what men think,

850
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: like is the coolest version of a girl. It's like, oh,

851
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: she's a model in an actress, but she likes the

852
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: nerd and that's kind of her like the whole series.

853
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: Like in the comic books, she's yeah, she becomes a supermodel. Well,

854
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: I guess that sort of like doubles down on the

855
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: problem of like this is a comic book written by

856
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: men being adapted by other men. Yeah, and like and

857
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: and also they touch on this in the first movie,

858
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: but not as much in the book. She's also a

859
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: victim of domestic abuse like her father that's in the

860
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: first movie totally forgot about it, gets like dramatically screamed

861
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: at in his crying and like Peter's like, hey, I'll

862
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: fix you when like you know, you know it can

863
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: fix the problem a man perpetuated man. Yeah, if at

864
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: first you don't succeed, m J. And also we have

865
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: to call you m J because your name is weed. Um.

866
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: That was my big beef with the movie, was I

867
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: was like whatever, just lean in, like just just throwing

868
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: a joke in the first ten minutes, being like yeah, yeah, yeah,

869
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I know they're goofy enough. They could have done it,

870
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: could have gotten away with it. You could have done

871
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: something tongue in cheek. Kids wouldn't even know anyway, Like right,

872
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: but how many pounds of hair joll do you think

873
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: James Franco used in this? They just got him a vet.

874
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. While you were having a crush on

875
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina during this time, I was having a crush

876
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: on James Franco. It has since to Dave Franco, but

877
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: oh well, I mean that seems like a smart move.

878
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: James Franco is unhinged, but in this movie he's not.

879
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: He's got so much gel. He's wearing plastic sunglasses for

880
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: of the movie. He keeps putting them on, taking them up.

881
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: James Franco is such a drama queen. He's almost crying

882
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: in every scene. There's that what was the line that

883
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: I texted you where they're at astronaut Mike Dexter's party,

884
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: and then Peter comes up, and then every time Harry

885
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: is just like, who is Spider Man? Tell you right now,

886
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: and then Peter's like, now is not the time, and

887
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: Harry's like every time is the time, and he yells

888
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: and he's like drunk, and it's like he's a mess.

889
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: After Octavia's the whole experiment goes wrong and he turns

890
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: into Doc Dock and several people get murdered in that scene. Um,

891
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: Harry comes out and he's like, I'm ruined. The only

892
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: thing I have left now is Spider Man. Like, you're

893
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: still a billion hare, you still live in a penthouse

894
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: apartment in New York City. That's what Bernard is trying,

895
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: he says, obsessed over good night Bernard. Um, this is

896
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: dedicated to Bernard. Shut up? Can I just say, oh

897
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: my god, I didn't even do the recap. Whoops, I

898
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: don't need it. This one recapped it pretty well. Yeah,

899
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a slow. Part of the

900
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: movie is MJ being very mad at Peter for never

901
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: coming to see her play. And I just wanted to say,

902
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: if I got as mad at my friends for not

903
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: coming to my shows as she gets at Peter for

904
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: not coming to her show, I would have no friends.

905
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: But as for not my Dexter has been five times

906
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to be fair if it's someone that you see as

907
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: a love interest. I don't know. Again, I got into

908
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: this fight with my boyfriend a lot, like when it

909
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: comes to reading books of mine, and I'm like, books

910
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: is different, though it's still like you know, well you

911
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: have you have the book on the table. It's a pretty,

912
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: it's a it's hefty, so it's still like a two

913
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: hour commitment, but even more to the point he didn't

914
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: have to leave his apartment to read it, and he

915
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: hasn't read you know, And it's like I don't but

916
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: I don't get. But it's it's a place where like

917
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: when romance is involved, and this is kind of the

918
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: part where I'm like, I guess I kind of respect that,

919
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: Like that's where she's drawing the line, like you're not

920
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: meeting me on my terms, which is my career, which

921
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: is cool, that's yeah. But again it goes back to

922
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: like she's static and she's just always staying there waiting

923
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: for him, and like and he's just not show All

924
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: he has to do is show up and he's not

925
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 1: so and this was her first big thing. I think.

926
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't a really bad job. By the way,

927
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: every scene so bad messes upper lines all the time, froze. Yes,

928
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean like Lindsay Lohan did that. Like, oh, Daily

929
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Mail would get so mad. Sorry, yeah, the Daily Planet

930
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: the one um really quick. I feel like we've name

931
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: dropped so many character actors. One person we didn't name drop,

932
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: but he's in the very beginning assume monv Y the

933
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: pizza guy, Peter Yeah, Mr is the like. Oh and

934
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and also again this has nothing to do with but

935
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: there's so many people with four lines in this movie,

936
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure we acknowledge every

937
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: single one of them. Willem Dafoe, avenge me. He's in

938
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: it for forty five seconds, screams avenge me two times.

939
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: End of seeing a hundred thousand dollars for a new

940
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: car for willing to foe? Uh can I I'm gonna

941
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: bring it back to what's relevant about this podcast, not

942
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: that I wasn't having a great time talking about they

943
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: stop yelling at me. Another frustrating thing about it is

944
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: that the reason that one Peter Parker won't reveal to

945
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: MJ that he is Spider Man, and the reason that

946
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: he won't be with her is that he's like, I

947
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: have to protect you from my enemies. I'm always going

948
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: to have enemies, and I couldn't put you in danger,

949
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: which is really just like a symptom of this like

950
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: patriarchal bullshit where he's like, I have to always protect you,

951
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: and it's like no, funk Off, like, no, she can't

952
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: fend for herself because you've written her such a helpless

953
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: piece of ship care. But if you didn't, if you,

954
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: like these writers, tried a little harder, it wouldn't have

955
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: to be god a protect her enemy. They he'd even

956
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: let her land that one blow on Dot. I'm like,

957
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: why did he have to just swatter away? They went

958
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: through the trouble of writing, well, she's going to try

959
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: to do something, but we're going to make her would

960
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: have broken all of her ribs and killed her, punctured

961
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: all of her would have died. And Togar is thrown

962
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: against a brick wall. He's got a spider exo skeleton.

963
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: That's spider. He has spider strength. That's what they do.

964
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: You think toky Bar has any body hair? Probably not right.

965
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he has a hair. He's a shaver.

966
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I think you know who doesn't have any chest hair

967
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: is Alfred Molina. And we know this because there's a

968
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: scene where his bare chest is exposed. If he's a shaver,

969
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: I think he's got yes, Yeah, like I tried them.

970
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: I like hair free kind of smooth boy chilling. I

971
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: like them smooth. Do you like at least like I

972
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: like a little tiny Yeah, like I don't want like

973
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: a hairless person. Although not to shame people with like alopecia,

974
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: you're great. Stop alopecia shaming. Sorry, Um, yeah, I don't

975
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: like I like just like a little, like a little

976
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: bit maybe like a little hair around the nips. Free

977
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: to hair Alfred, if you're listening, if you shaved, fine,

978
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: but no you didn't have to. Yeah, he could have

979
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: been a pretty brutish, really quick. One's weird scene a woman,

980
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: isn't it? And it's not about al fro Billina. The

981
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: cake scene? Yeah, what's going on? Why even have that character?

982
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: First of all, it's like we get everyone has a

983
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: crush and tell people guer. For some reason, I have

984
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: the character? Why have that scene? Yeah, it's the neighbor,

985
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 1: the landlord's daughter. She's like, would you like some chocolate cake?

986
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: He's like, with with milk, a glass of milk. Yeah,

987
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: that sounds nice. It's like, why why is it cut

988
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: that scene? And then she watched she does not have cake?

989
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: She watched she has a plate. She has a plate,

990
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: she's presumably eating her cake. Why is she staring at him?

991
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: She's just like she wants to she wants some of

992
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: that to what end? Like where does that? I thought

993
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: that that scene might have because when I was watching it, like,

994
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: is this scene implying that, Like Peter's trying to move

995
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: on and maybe they hook up, but we see her leave,

996
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: we know it doesn't happen, so it's like with him.

997
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, by the way, you got

998
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: a note from your aunt? Why not just cut to

999
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: Peter at his mailbox and not not That's like, we

1000
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: don't need more women in this movie, but what a

1001
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: fucking weird I watched it twice to make sure. I'm like,

1002
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: am I missing anything encoded in this scene? Like? No? Never.

1003
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: The first time I saw this movie when it came out,

1004
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: I was like, why is this scene in here? So

1005
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I remember seeing this movie in the theater and everyone

1006
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: burst out laughing during the line that MJ gives Peter's like,

1007
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: let's pick up where we left off, and she's like,

1008
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: you never got on. How can we get off when

1009
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: you never got on? And it's like, sexy, I'm going

1010
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: to use that his four play. I'll just be like, look,

1011
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: you can't get off if you don't get on, So

1012
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: get on, buddy, and get off my play butterfingers. I'm

1013
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: like to buy Alpha Bolina School of four play my Professor.

1014
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: My other one is my inhibitor chip. I'm on inhibited.

1015
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: There's such a good where he's like the chip there

1016
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: and he does, he turns around and he goes, it's

1017
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: so good. Wait, can we talk about some had a

1018
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: rush of blood his mother? Remember when he tries to

1019
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: make a joke and he's like, did anyone lose a

1020
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: roll of twenty dollar bills in a rubber band? Yeah?

1021
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: Well we found the rubber band. And it's like, I'm

1022
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: going to get rid of all my stand up material,

1023
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: tell only that joke and extras, sensations, the Hollywood extras.

1024
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I forgot to talk about my favorite

1025
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: moment in an entire movie. So I made a list

1026
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: of all the times that Spider Man has to save

1027
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: a character. He first saves Harry whenever octavious experiment goes

1028
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: all wild. So hey, a man saving another man, Okay,

1029
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: Then he has to save Aunt May after dot Got

1030
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: captures her at the bank. And then he saves a

1031
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: small child in a burning building, but the floor collapses

1032
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: beneath him and he kind of falls down. He's like

1033
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: hanging from this ledge, and he hurls the baby back

1034
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: up onto that like just flings violently because this is

1035
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: like a toddler who's like two or three years old.

1036
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: And then somehow this baby helps pull him up. That

1037
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: gone to the floor. This you know, hundred and sixty

1038
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: or seventy pound man and a two and a half

1039
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: year old baby, she pulls him up. That's a good

1040
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: point to cite that this is a very white movie. Yeah,

1041
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: is not what we tackle specifically, but worth mentioning, worth

1042
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: mentioning very few people of color in the movie. Well

1043
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: for something about New York is like okay, like throw

1044
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: a few Dominicans and please you know, there's also Robbie

1045
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: Robertson at the newspaper. But again, if you can't immediately

1046
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: think of him, that says everything. Oh right, Oh yeah,

1047
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know his character's name, and I just know

1048
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: him as the guy who loves Spider Man and then

1049
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: us and but that is you know, it's a two

1050
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: hour movie and these people each you know, have a

1051
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: handful of lines, so not great anyway, I just wanted

1052
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: to put that out there that I love that a

1053
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: baby helps pull Spider Man. Shout out to baby. So

1054
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: do we have any final thoughts about the movie and

1055
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: how it portrays women before we get into talking about

1056
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: whether or not it passes the Bechdel test. I like

1057
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: was talking to my boyfriend about this this podcast and

1058
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test, and he like knew a little bit

1059
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: about it, but then he's like, what is it really

1060
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: and then we like, don't worry Sophia. Couple doesn't know either,

1061
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: so we end up looking like I just like image

1062
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: searched the Beckdel test to show him the panels from

1063
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Dikes to watch out for. And there are all these

1064
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: statistics that were related to the Bechdel test, you know,

1065
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: which movie does this versus that? But then there was

1066
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: also box office statistics. There's like a positive correlation between like,

1067
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: if your product passes the Bechdel test, it also earns

1068
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: more money. Yes, that's great to hear. And also I

1069
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: guess not that surprising. Women make up half of the

1070
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: population or more. Yeah, and they are. They go to movies.

1071
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: We we they those women. I'm one of them, those exceptions.

1072
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen that statistics too, and it's like

1073
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: not surprising at all. And it doesn't even mean that

1074
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: the that the movies are better, because the bar for

1075
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is like kind of absurdly low to

1076
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: make in with, it's insane. I mean, as we've discussed before,

1077
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: the Bechdel tests sort of examines a larger problem, which

1078
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: is that there just aren't enough women in movies. Most

1079
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: of the time. They often don't play a significant enough

1080
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: of a role where there would be several of them

1081
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: talking to each other, which is just like it said,

1082
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: a symptom of a larger problem where there's just not

1083
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: enough representation of women in most movies. It's weird to

1084
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: do like this episode about Spiderman two having very recently

1085
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: done a Wonder Woman episode which like just fare so

1086
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: much better how it passes in the test, and then

1087
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: also just portraying women like it just like you like, oh,

1088
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: woman's kicking out and driving this story well, and even

1089
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: look at the bane Batman movie with Catwoman, Like there's

1090
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: this whole subplot with her and Juno Temple like looking

1091
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: out for each other. And it doesn't take much, you

1092
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's not time consuming. It's

1093
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: not really anything people talk about in hearts that movie,

1094
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, it's something and it gives Yeah, And

1095
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: like for anyone listening to this writing their own stories

1096
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: and myths and whatnot, like just like start from scratch

1097
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, what does the character want

1098
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,959
Speaker 1: and how do they get it? Delete the like male

1099
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: love interest, and then ask also like what does this

1100
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: female character want and how does she get it? Like

1101
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: outside of like dating Spider Man. That's really just all

1102
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: you need to start and that you mentioned that. So

1103
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: in in the first Spider Man movie, she's like I

1104
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: want to move to New York and being actress, and

1105
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: then we see like a little scene where she's like, oh,

1106
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: I just had an audition and it didn't go very well.

1107
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: But then after that she seems to have a pretty

1108
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: successful acting career and modeling career because she's got this

1109
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: whole billboard like a perfume ad and then she's like

1110
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: one of the worst, but like and she's a terrible actress.

1111
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: She's but somehow she's still doing well. But it's like

1112
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: we never see her struggle in regards to her career

1113
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: just anything else about her life. She I love this

1114
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: boy who doesn't love me? Right, he just showed like yeah,

1115
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: there's it's just careless. Yeah. Um. But let's talk about

1116
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: whether or not the movie passes the Bechtel test. So

1117
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: the first scene where women interact is Peter's surprise birthday party,

1118
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: where aunt May goes, hey, I'm Jake, can you give

1119
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: me a hand? And m J says, there's This is

1120
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: one of those fucking infuriating scenes where it's like our

1121
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: antennas go right up because we're like, oh, two women

1122
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: are in the same scene. That's never happens. And then

1123
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: it's like every time they speak, you're like and then

1124
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: then it doesn't. This movie doesn't pass. But but there's

1125
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: another near oh maybe in that scene where again, and

1126
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: it's also ironic because they're both talking about domestic stuff

1127
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 1: while Peter and Harry are talking about business. Um, but

1128
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: aunt May says, let's go into the other room and

1129
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: get something to eat, and then m J says, I

1130
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: didn't know one in particular I'll get the O dirves.

1131
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't pick I didn't notice that one. But yeah,

1132
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: two women speaking consecutively right, not really to each other.

1133
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: And then the one I mentioned where she just goes,

1134
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: m that's not a response, that's on the conversation and

1135
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: she's not Yeah, she's not conversing because she's staring at

1136
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: Peter and walking backwards. And did they catch in like

1137
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: a fucking freak in the scene where James Franco goes,

1138
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: you're busy, you're taking pictures of Spiderman twenty times. You're

1139
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: busy pictures you're taking him. You tell me what didn't

1140
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: you appears like I don't know, Oh my god, and

1141
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: then they bring out the good night Bernard. There's an opportunity.

1142
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: There's an opportunity for that scene to pass. Really, they

1143
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: just need a few lines of dialogue back and forth

1144
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: between Aunt May and MJ. Doesn't happen. The next scene

1145
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: that I noticed was it's before MJ's show and she's

1146
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: talking to her cast mate, and her cast mate's like, oh,

1147
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: you've seen Jennery tonight, and I'm just like, you never

1148
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: know who's coming. The application is that Peter's coming, but

1149
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: find and it's like, not explicitly stated, it would be

1150
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: a past except except that we don't know that other

1151
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: characters name. Sorry, bitch. That's one of the caveats that

1152
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: we adhere to on the Bectel cast. We have to

1153
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: know the character's name because if they have a name,

1154
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: they're important enough to the story where we would need

1155
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: to know their name. But this character is pretty insignificant.

1156
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: And then there's the second interaction that they have on

1157
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: the street, well before that on the stage. Well, this

1158
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: is the fun exception one because the importance of being

1159
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: earnest does pass the Vactel test, and it passes the

1160
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: facteals test on screen, but it's not Spider Man too,

1161
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: and it wasn't written by anyone involved with Spider Man two.

1162
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: So even though we could argue, if you know the play,

1163
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: the importance of being earnest fun play, goofy nice, you

1164
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: could say, well, we do know those characters names if

1165
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: you have that knowledge of the play, that would be

1166
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: that's asking a lot of comic book family asking. It's

1167
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: asking a lot. And also it it doesn't and it's

1168
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: not written by anyone involved with Spider Man, so it's

1169
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: not it's a staged conversation that yeah, that's as close

1170
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: exists outside of yeah. And then also we still don't

1171
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: know that actress's name. And then they talk again after

1172
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: the show and she's like, you sure didn't want to

1173
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: come tonight, and I'm just like, yeah, I'm sure, a

1174
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: great joke. I'll call you later. And if she said, okay,

1175
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: thanks Steve, and then now we know the woman's name

1176
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: is Steve, and then it would have passed. But but

1177
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: we still don't know her name. So and then there's

1178
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: the scene where they're at the party for astronaut Mike

1179
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: Dexter and j Jonas Jamison's wife is like, beautiful dress,

1180
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: but the woman doesn't respond, and also we don't know

1181
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: her name or the woman she's talking to her name,

1182
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: so doesn't pass. I also forget, I mean, weird, not relevant,

1183
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: but Astronaut Mike Dexter's j Jonah Jamison's son that's in

1184
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: the calm, Yeah is he? And he and he just

1185
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: has like this perfect son. Well yeah, like he sir,

1186
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: he becomes like plot points. His mortality effects j Jonah

1187
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: Jamison's perception of Spider Man. I'll leave it at that

1188
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: um And the same with some of these throwaway characters

1189
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: is like like the ladies and stuff. They don't necessarily

1190
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: become anything more than just like objects for Peter Parker

1191
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: to like pine Over in the books. But I've been

1192
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: trying to remember if that like, yeah, the the neighbor girl,

1193
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: what her significance is, but I don't I keep But

1194
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: that's never an excuse. And again, even if it was

1195
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: like building to something that they thought they'd have, you know,

1196
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: four more films with like, they all still exist to

1197
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: like be his love interest. And sometimes like something that's

1198
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: adapted from a book or comic book, they'll give a nod.

1199
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: You know, they'll be like, oh, remember this, and like

1200
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: the comic book will know who this is. But if

1201
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: you're then going to put it in the movie, have

1202
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: it serve a purpose not just be like remember this thing?

1203
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: Do you recognize her? Cool? And if for everyone else

1204
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: suck off? I think that, I mean, I think that's

1205
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: why Astronaut Mike Dexter was kind of a fun character

1206
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: for me, because he is really the only male character

1207
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: in this and just in the context of strictly Spider

1208
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: Man too, He's the only male character who is as

1209
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: empty and purposeless as most of the female characters. So

1210
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 1: it's like, well they've got you know, Mike Dexter doesn't

1211
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: have a personality either. He's an astronaut, so if someone

1212
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: kisses him he says, I'm on the moon right now,

1213
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: it's like love this guy. So yeah, we conclude that

1214
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: the movie does not pass the Bechtel test. It does

1215
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: not not surprising. Like when James Franco yells to Alfred Mollino,

1216
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: you're a hack. That's a fun one. I was like, oh,

1217
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: I want to take that one to the green room there. Yeah,

1218
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: the women don't even have good zingers except for the

1219
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and they get on get off is not

1220
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: a zinger. It just landed funny. Right, Yeah, we'll give

1221
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: We'll give the credit to Kirsten on that one way

1222
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: to go. Good for you girl. Hey, let's write the

1223
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: movie on our nipples scale. We have a scale of

1224
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples, where we rate the movie based

1225
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: on its portrayal of women. I give it one nipple.

1226
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: Who boy, I mean, Aunt May pretty good character for

1227
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: who she is. But the only other substantial female character

1228
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: is the main one, Mary Jane m j. Everyone else

1229
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: like Miss Brandt and the landlord's daughter and dock Ox

1230
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: wife Rosie. They you know, they're on screen for mere

1231
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: minutes if that, and they don't have much to do

1232
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: with the story, and neither does Mary Jane. Like she's like,

1233
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm here and wearing a dress. You can see my nipples.

1234
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: You better capture me, take me to a tower, hold

1235
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: me captive, chain me up, Chain me baby. Speaking of chains,

1236
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: because how do I feel about because you are because

1237
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: you are a man, we did have to chain you

1238
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: to the chair and you're bound. Yeah, you're You're very good,

1239
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, but that is the price you pay for

1240
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: this podcast. Your our first guest in like fifteen episodes

1241
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: that has been a man, and I begged to be

1242
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: on this broke the record and providing we had a

1243
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: minute lashing out. Excellent shot. But in any case, so good, No,

1244
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: you're wonderful, Thank you so much. But um yeah, so

1245
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: m J. She sucks. She's a very watered down character,

1246
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: you know, no depth, no dimension, just exists to be

1247
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: captured and saved by the bad guys and the good guys.

1248
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I because m J is just not a

1249
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: good character. And the movie doesn't pass the back to tests,

1250
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: and the portrayal woman not great. In this movie, not

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Speaker 1: surprising for superhero movies, especially of the era of the

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Speaker 1: early two thousand's uh yeah, one nipple. It belongs to

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Speaker 1: Toby McGuire in the scene where he takes up his

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Speaker 1: shirt in the window as he's getting ready for MJ's play.

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Speaker 1: Why do we need to see him take off his shirt?

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Speaker 1: We don't, But I like that it's there. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's Sam Raimi shouting, like just in case anyone's

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Speaker 1: interested in whatever's going on there. I just I like

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Speaker 1: that we get sort of like because usually if there's

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Speaker 1: like unneeded nudity in a film, it's a woman taking

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Speaker 1: your clothes off, but now we get Toby maguire and

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Speaker 1: his like chise old Spider Man exo skeleton body. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give it two apples, maybe maybe one and

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Speaker 1: a half instead of two. And I really, I really

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Speaker 1: do love this movie a lot. I had a great

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Speaker 1: time watching it for Alpha Bolena, but also just because

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Speaker 1: I think it's a super fun movie and superhero movies

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Speaker 1: have a really hard time keeping my attention and this

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Speaker 1: one never has, never will but the same reasons. I

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Speaker 1: think Aunt May is really the only fully realized female

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Speaker 1: character in this movie. And even then, all of her

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Speaker 1: actions and motivations are tied to the men in her life.

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Speaker 1: It does not do a good job with its female characters.

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Speaker 1: M J sucks all the other women we don't know

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Speaker 1: because we don't know them. Hey, one of them really

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: likes chocolate cake. That's her defining characters. Cake girl story.

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Speaker 1: I don't even care, but I get I'll give it

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Speaker 1: one and half nipples, and they belong to Bernard, who

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Speaker 1: I know isn't expecting that. Good night, Bernard even see

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Speaker 1: fun enough from Melina's nipples in this movie. You can

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Speaker 1: see the nipples in a lot of movies. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: you can trust me. I have like one of those

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Speaker 1: corkboards at home. You can figure out exactly what moments

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Speaker 1: in time you can anyway the nipple. Yeah, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give it one nipple as well. Because of everything

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Speaker 1: you both said, I don't have much else to add

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Speaker 1: to it. The nipple I picked, though, is Mary Jane's

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Speaker 1: nipple from the first one. It exemplifies everything that we

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Speaker 1: take umbradge with, which is like women only like fit

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Speaker 1: best to inspire, uplift and challenge men not like to

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Speaker 1: be their own. So like here's this like dumb like

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Speaker 1: Lolita nipple, you know what I mean. Um, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is a fun movie. That's what's that's what sucks

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Speaker 1: about it is that you want to like it, but

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: it just they just stopped after like all right, well

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Speaker 1: we have like a good Spider Man journey, but not

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Speaker 1: like I don't know. Yeah, and I think about the

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Speaker 1: movie about like New Yorkers and all these voices and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's it's amazingly like everything is just like a wash.

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Speaker 1: You know. Thank you so much for being here, a

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Speaker 1: really lovely time. I learned so much about Alfred Molina.

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Speaker 1: Happy to follow up. Subscribe to the newsletter. Where can

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Speaker 1: N A g R A c ian you know you

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Speaker 1: put an APT sign in front of it, or dot

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Speaker 1: com at the end of it. Look me up, hang out.

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Speaker 1: I try to buy your book. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Does the I don't know that the book passes the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test only only in that so many scenes are

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Speaker 1: one on one interactions with me and a person. But

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Speaker 1: the women in it talk about a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that aren't romance, like we talk about careers, we talk

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Speaker 1: about grief like and then relationships because that's me. But

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Speaker 1: that's me, that's not what I think, like, oh, like

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Speaker 1: this is what you use a girl for, like you know.

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Speaker 1: So the book doesn't necessarily pass, but it gets a

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Speaker 1: pass because it's okay. Many of my favorite movies don't

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Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test. I still love them, but Experiment

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Speaker 1: two is in my not movies don't yell at me.

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Speaker 1: I would say The Raiders are the Lost Ark another

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Speaker 1: Alfred Molina joint and joint that he's in again for

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Speaker 1: two minutes. I would not say passes the Backtel test,

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Speaker 1: but hey, let's do an episode about it. Let's find

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Speaker 1: out anyway. Yeah, by seeing his book, Nothing Last Forever.

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Speaker 1: of today is during he has not tweeted back. Also,

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Speaker 1: tight tight, Yeah, you can hurt us. What's the verb

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Speaker 1: that they use in curling? That like Canadian ice? Cur

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Speaker 1: I think I have good night Bernard pulled up on

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Speaker 1: my compoke. Harry is looking at clips. He's hitting the table.

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Speaker 1: Where are your only obsession? Night? Oh it's so funny

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Speaker 1: And with that good night Burner