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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So welcome back to the Worst Year Ever,

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Speaker 1: the most aptly named podcast. As we all sit in quarantine,

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Speaker 1: watching the economy spiral around the grain and our government

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Speaker 1: openly discussed how many of us dying is worth maintaining

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Speaker 1: economic productivity. It's a cool year and a good one

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Speaker 1: and I'm Robert Evans uh and my co hosts are,

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Speaker 1: of course Katie Stole feeling good, feeling fine, and Cody

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Speaker 1: Johnston and same. And to help us through this period

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Speaker 1: of incipient madness, we have a special guest on the

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Speaker 1: podcast today, a veteran activist and community organizer, Mr Scott Crow. Scott,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I'm good under house arrest,

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Speaker 1: feeling great. It's not not arrest, it's similar, but we

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Speaker 1: don't have minus the ankle monitor. Exactly, yeah, exactly. Now, Uh, Scott,

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Speaker 1: you were one of the founders of an organization called

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Speaker 1: the Common Ground Collective, and I wonder if you would

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Speaker 1: kind of and this was this was a mutual aid

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Speaker 1: organization with the motto solidarity not charity, that opened up

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans in the immediate wake of Hurricane Katrina

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Speaker 1: when the city was still very much a disaster area,

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Speaker 1: and it was filled with armed blackwater guards and National

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Speaker 1: guardsmen and uh very restrained and responsible police officers who

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Speaker 1: did not exercise their power and undreath in anyway. And

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Speaker 1: y'all provided a variety of really incredible services, um, including

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Speaker 1: like medical care, home visits for people, the distribution of food,

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff. And I wondered if you

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Speaker 1: talk you know, the focus of this episode is to

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Speaker 1: own mutual aid and solidarity networks. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: live in an area where there's nothing, um, nothing's set

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Speaker 1: up yet for you to help your community, to help

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Speaker 1: the people around you. Um, you're someone who has some

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Speaker 1: experience starting organizations, and uh so we want to pick

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Speaker 1: your brain on that. But I think first we want

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Speaker 1: to go over some history and talk about the Common

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Speaker 1: Ground Clinic. So I wonder if you kind of might

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Speaker 1: lead us in there about how that started, how that

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Speaker 1: got formed initially, well starts way back in the eight hundreds. No.

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Speaker 1: Actually for once, because I was in DV on September eleven,

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Speaker 1: two thousand one, and I that and we were we

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Speaker 1: were gathering a bunch of anarchists because we were gonna

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Speaker 1: next five days to begin organizing and UM, so we

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Speaker 1: arrived early to get to get ready for things. And

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Speaker 1: then of course everything happened, and what I saw there

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Speaker 1: people even anarchists around me, and that really gave me

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Speaker 1: a question of like, what would we want to do

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Speaker 1: I had time to steal on that for the next

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Speaker 1: four years, and then we had the major major disaster

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Speaker 1: of Katrina happened. The hurricane Katrina came ashore in late

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Speaker 1: August and through September of two thousand five, and so

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Speaker 1: by that time, I'd already been thinking about what would

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Speaker 1: we do, What do we want to do as anarchists,

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Speaker 1: what do we want to do that's liberatory? What do

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Speaker 1: who had been a lifelong political prisoner, had done thirty

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Speaker 1: they needed that more than just our friend King. They

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Speaker 1: And so I started to say, like, we need to

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking this whole time, what would what

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Speaker 1: So I looked to the Spanish anarchists in the thirties,

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Speaker 1: And so I was asked myself, what what did the

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Speaker 1: if you're in a rural community, uh, that's very disp

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00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, like that's just spread up, spread apart. Maybe

433
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: it's just checking in on the elderly people on checking

434
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: in and going like, hey, what's what's happening. Um. If

435
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: you're more organized and you're already already part of uh,

436
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, some kind of group or something, will get

437
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: together and then figure out what what the community needs

438
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: are and ask people. I mean people will tell you

439
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all. It's It seems like magic, but

440
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is ask and because then you'll

441
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: get a list that you never thought of after Katrina.

442
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: We just went to the we we gathered up the

443
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: first twenty people in the community that we we got

444
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: together and said what do you need? And you know what,

445
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: they said, take out the trash. Can you get the rotting,

446
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: stinking garbage that nobody's picking up? Can you take it away?

447
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: And I was like that's it. I mean, what's you

448
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: know like? I was like, all right, we could do that.

449
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: So that's how we started. And then we're like what's

450
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: next and were like, well, this lady needs to be

451
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: checked in on because she doesn't have her diabetes medicine.

452
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: And we're like, okay, we'll make sure that we get

453
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: some of that her if we can. You know. So

454
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: it's like things like that we just just started and

455
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: that and we just But if you think about approaching

456
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: this from a liberatory perspective, because you're not just trying

457
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: to fill in the gaps where the government's failing, you

458
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: actually want to you actually want to see if you

459
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: can create autonomy for a future when something like the

460
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: next disaster happens or the next crisis happens, right, because

461
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: what you what you when you're building mutual aid is

462
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: a challenge to the dominant narratives at one and then

463
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: so far until Obama tweeted it the other day that

464
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: was super weirds like Obama and mutual aid. Those are

465
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: weird words together. Um, but like you said, Robert, I

466
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: mean it's like it's got to be mainstream and so.

467
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: But but mainstreaming ideas also makes them lose their liberatory potential,

468
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: so and and so in starting up, make sure you're

469
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: not doubling up on stuff that people are already doing

470
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: that is not needed. Also, don't make it. Make sure

471
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: it's not about just stockpiling things, because that's not always needed.

472
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: There's different stages of disasters as different kinds of disasters. Um,

473
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: there's different kinds of crisis, and every one of them

474
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: is not one size fits all. They have there's a

475
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: framing of the ideas, and there's a framing of the

476
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: way the mechanics work, and then you just have to

477
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: pick the things that actually work for that for your

478
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: needs at that moment. But when you start with those

479
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 1: questions and then I think you just start doing it.

480
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: So if it's just if it's starting to feed people,

481
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: you start that way. But again, if you want to

482
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: use a liberatory you know, liberatory framework. You have dual

483
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: power every time you're creating, but you're also resisting. So

484
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: if people are gonna lose their homes because of you

485
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: might do rent strikes, but at the same time you

486
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: want to make sure that people have safe housing. These

487
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: that would be dual power. At the same time. Free

488
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: schools if kids aren't able to go to school, and

489
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, you can gather to have us have a school.

490
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: I'm not saying in this particular crisis at the moment,

491
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: but just in general, you start a school while you're

492
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: also cleaning out the school to get it ready so

493
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: that kids can go back to their school. Those are

494
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: dual power kinds of things. But you're thinking about all

495
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: the time. Every actions that we take, you're doing it

496
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: not just for yourself. You're doing it for those around you,

497
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: even if you don't know them. The vulnerable wines. Whatever

498
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: the vulnerability is, whether it's age, class, race, immigration status,

499
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: and you know, suppression, whatever that, whatever it is, you

500
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: just have to find which of those things and begin

501
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: to work from that, and then after that the mechanics

502
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: of it is really easy, especially right now because we're

503
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: in such a mild disaster right, Like I mean, at

504
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: this moment, we're not even near collapse, you know. And

505
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: so it's so you can go to the store to

506
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: buy toilet paper, you can get soap, you can buy

507
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: these things, you can make food. All this stuff is

508
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: still functioning in most places. So it's real simple things.

509
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: If you want to start doing the larger things, you

510
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: have to be willing, like if you want to start clinics,

511
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: and if you want to um do do things the

512
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: other liberatory pieces. To break the law, you have to

513
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: recognize that you're willing to break the law for the

514
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: higher moral law and are you willing to do that?

515
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: And these are very serious questions you have to ask yourself.

516
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: They make it very difficult. Every clinic that we opened,

517
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: we were breaking the law to open the clinic, every

518
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: time food not bombs, push the barricade out of the way,

519
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: climbed under the barricade in the middle of the nights

520
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: to feed people. They were willing to break the law

521
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: under martial law, real martial law, not under not under

522
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: shelter and home martial law with fucking full on military

523
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: and everything. And so you have to be willing to

524
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: face that. The other thing is that every if you

525
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: everything that you do and and everything that that you

526
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: want to take on and doing all these things, you

527
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself, are you gonna work with the

528
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: government or government agencies and nin geo's to do it?

529
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: Are you gonna try to do it yourself? And I

530
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be hybridizations of that within that, because

531
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 1: all NGOs aren't shitty, they're just shitty because they're big.

532
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: They're not They're not necessarily shitty. I mean, one of

533
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: the first, one of the first organizations, United Way, which

534
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I fucking hate them, gave us ten thousand dollars within

535
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: days of of of Katrina. That's unprecedented, and they told

536
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: with no strings attached, just do what you need to

537
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: do with the money because we can see what you're doing.

538
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: So that wasn't just me. They didn't go to me,

539
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: but to the organization. So so, but these things are

540
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: a lot more difficult to do. Plug in, you know,

541
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: like I'm sure you said, you've been promoting all of

542
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: these and these different mutual aid networks. Ask them for

543
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: the resources of what to do they have how to

544
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: manuals Mutual Aid Disaster Relief um that grew out of

545
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: common ground and occupy and all these other things that um,

546
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: they have, they actually have how to guides in there.

547
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: They're not the only ones, but they they have them

548
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: on actual practicalities of it. But it's not as hard

549
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: as you think it is if you start doing it,

550
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: because then you start to see the need. There's a

551
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: couple of really important points you make in there that

552
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I want to hit on a little bit more. One

553
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: of them is when you talk about a liberatory framework,

554
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: and I think that, um, what am like, what you're

555
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: talking about, if I'm not mistaken, is this idea that, um,

556
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: you should not just be providing immediate aid to people.

557
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: You should be kind of liberating them from their dependence

558
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: on the system and from their dependence on like, from

559
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: the vulnerability that they're feeling in that moment, in a long,

560
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: a longer term way. So you're not just handing someone

561
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: foods that they have a meal. You're trying to provide

562
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: them with long term ways to meet those needs to

563
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: where they're not just sort of waiting for it to

564
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: be handed to them or or like. Like it's this

565
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: idea of right now, I think people feel there's a

566
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: huge amount of helplessness that people are feeling right now

567
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: because they're just kind of waiting for the federal government

568
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: to step in and do something, and they don't know

569
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: if they're going to be able to stay in their homes.

570
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: And a piece of liberatory activism is like, well, okay,

571
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: what if we make it so that, what if we

572
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: take action to make sure that they will have a

573
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: roof over their head, like activists in Los Angeles are

574
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: doing right now, occupying state homed homes, opening them up,

575
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: furnishing them and putting people inside them and saying we're

576
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: not going to wait to make sure the government is

577
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: keeping people in their houses. We're going to provide houses.

578
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: And we have to break the law to do that,

579
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: because it's that, you know, we have to break locks,

580
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: we have to crack our way into these buildings. We

581
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: got to use our bolt cutters. Um. So I think

582
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: that's that's an important thing. And the other thing you've

583
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: brought up, Yeah, the other thing you've brought up, that's

584
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: really I've spent a lot of time in war zones,

585
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: um And one thing I have noticed over those trips

586
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: in Iraq and Syria and Ukraine is that almost no

587
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: one has anything nice to say for the large international

588
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: aid organizations who actually lives in those areas, the Red Cross,

589
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: the United Nations, these these big organizations like the NGOs,

590
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: Like if you want to hear NGOs get ship talked

591
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: more than anywhere else in the world, go to a

592
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: refugee camp or or or go to a city that's

593
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, they are and they they talk about how

594
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: these people like roll up in big, fancy uparmored suburbans,

595
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: and how they stay at hotels and eat nice food.

596
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: And it's the only aid organization that I have ever

597
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: come across in my travels that of the people in

598
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: the affected areas had nothing, like had early positive things

599
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: to talk about. Is the Free Burmer Rangers. Because it's

600
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: they're they're a medical collective. They are a small, nimble

601
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: group and they roll into an area and ask like,

602
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: what do you need? We know how to provide medical care,

603
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: these are our capabilities. What do you need? How can

604
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: we meet them? And they do it. Um And I've

605
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: never heard anyone in the in the areas where they

606
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: were working have anything to say for them, but like,

607
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm grateful they were there. They saved my life, my

608
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: cousin's life, such and such Um and yeah, so that

609
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: that really hits home for me, this idea that you

610
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: should be proactive about figuring out what people need as

611
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: opposed to like trying to sit at home and be

612
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: like what can I provide? Will go out and ask

613
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: people what's necessary, um, and then try to build a

614
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: framework for providing it. And I guess the next thing

615
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I'd kind of like to ask you about is so

616
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: common ground expanded very rapidly to fulfill a wide variety

617
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: of additional niches beyond sort of it's it's it's initial

618
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: uh um, the initial motivations behind its founding. And I

619
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of am wondering what advice you have for people, um,

620
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: and when it comes to expanding and when it comes

621
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: to to working with larger groups of people and sort

622
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: of the different pitfalls that can come up because the

623
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: more folks that get involved, the more money that gets involved,

624
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: the more problems you're gonna have. Like, right, that's one

625
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: of the great pieces of lyric More money, more problems. Yeah,

626
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: let's talk about dealing with that. People internally stole money

627
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: from us like crazy, People stole tools from us like crazy.

628
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, we buy the tools and people internally would

629
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: steal them. Um, So it was a mess. I mean

630
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: it was. It was like I often described it as

631
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful train wreck. Um internally, I mean that's the

632
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: truth of it, because we didn't build we didn't build

633
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: it from before. So there's no relationships except for the

634
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: few of us at the very core of it at

635
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: the very beginning. Other than that, it was just whoever

636
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: came in or they were more they were more distant

637
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: as they were coming in, and so people brought in

638
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: all their some ands, they brought in all their privilege,

639
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: they brought in all of these things to it, and

640
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: it is definitely difficult to mitigate. We even um, we

641
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: even heard um uh this nonprofit to do um anti

642
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: racist trainings for us every week, local group, this group

643
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: that started the whole anti racist movement in the United States.

644
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: As far as like doing trainings in the nineteen seventies,

645
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we always ran into conflict with

646
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: people who didn't want to go to the trainings or

647
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: wanted to wanted to do those things, even though they're

648
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: largely white, largely middle class, largely young, and they were

649
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: also working in communities fully outside of there that they

650
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: had ever ever been in before. Some of the poorest

651
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: in the United States, some of the most marginalized in

652
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: the whole in the whole country. And so I, uh

653
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: so it's always difficult there. There there is no magic

654
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: panacey and that, and in fact, my book is full

655
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: of heartbreak about that. But one thing is that that

656
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I definitely want to speak that I would take out

657
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: of that is that, uh um, I don't want to

658
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm not an activist. I don't consider myself an activist.

659
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: I I want liberation. I don't want to fucking make

660
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: things just a little bit better. I want to alleviate

661
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: suffering when and where I can, right, And so I

662
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of activist mentality came in where it

663
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: became identity politics, um would rule, or anarchist politics or whatever,

664
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: or communist politics, you know, like that would be kind

665
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: of become the rule, or they would try to have

666
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: factionalism within the within the the organization. It was so loose,

667
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: it was like a network. We actually just provided a

668
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of container of all these things and got resources

669
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: to them and got people on the projects and stuff,

670
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: and there was no there was no central coordination. We tried,

671
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: but it was like, you know, thirty people coordinating would

672
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: come and go, and we tried to do this in

673
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: real time while we're sick, you know, like we had

674
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: staff infections and fucking bronchial things and fucking so much

675
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: stress and so much trauma. We were trying to do this,

676
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: so it was difficult. So if if I was gonna

677
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: just cut all of that off at the before it happened,

678
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: I would start organizing now, not under the crisis that

679
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: we're in, but but start organizing now for the future

680
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: disasters that are gonna happen, because climate change is real, wars,

681
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: real political I mean we're in a political uh you know,

682
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: disaster at the moment. Uh as far as governments go

683
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: in the United States and so um these you know,

684
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: like start building now for those futures. You know, like

685
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: what is it you and your neighbors can do to

686
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: build resilience now? Um uh you know, like I went

687
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: and I went and spoke at a food co op

688
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: in in San Francisco to deal with earthquakes about six

689
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: or seven years ago, and you know, like they're trying

690
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: to figure out how to work with their neighbors, like

691
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: how they could build mutual aid with their neighbors. Actually,

692
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: and I thought that was a pretty good thing to think,

693
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: like food security, not only emptying their shelves at some

694
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: point of providing shelter, which is what the co op

695
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: would do, but what else could they what else could

696
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: they provide their neighbors for now, like food security? Like

697
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: is there is there a way that they could do

698
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: community gardens? They can do individual gardens. And this this

699
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: is you know, this isn't downtown San Francisco, but but

700
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like there was ideas that were floating around there.

701
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: How would they even be able to communicate? There's really

702
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: four basic things. It's communication, education, um security, and and food.

703
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: If I didn't order say food, healthcare, health care. So

704
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: those are really the four major pieces of civil society.

705
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: I'd say culture. I throw culture because we need culture too.

706
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: We gotta have music, we gotta have beauty, we have

707
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: to have we have to have art. So there's stories

708
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: that need to be told and there's things that there's

709
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: beauty that needs to happen too. So those those five things,

710
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: if we work on those, you can build anything you

711
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: want as long as you in my analysis, with the

712
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: liberatory framework, knowing that you're gonna build on one hand,

713
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: can resist on the other hand, and also that you're

714
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: you're not just trying to fill in the gaps of

715
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: the government. But if that's all you end up doing,

716
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: that's what you ended up doing, you know, for in

717
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: particular crisis. Yeah, Katie, do you have something you wanted

718
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: to ask next or Cody? I don't. This is wonderful

719
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: and so health full and useful. I've talked to so

720
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: many people who have the questions that you have answered, UM,

721
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: because I think we're all in this sort of situation where,

722
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: like you've been talking about, where we have this drive

723
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: to do something and there's no like, there's no sign

724
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: up sheet, there's no like you mentioned the trash. Like,

725
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: there's so many people I've talked to who are like

726
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: I would go and just help people take out the

727
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: trash if I knew that that's what I could use

728
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: my time and effort to do. UM And Yeah, giving

729
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: people these tools to to find out where they can

730
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: place themselves, it's just so useful and Yeah, and there's

731
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: just so much like what I'm feeling a lot is

732
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: um a desire to help people, but also the depression

733
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: and on we that comes from not knowing where to

734
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: start and feeling especially in this specific crisis. You're right

735
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: when you say this isn't the same kind of crisis

736
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: where I mean, we've got access to this distores, we

737
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: can feed ourselves, but I'm not allowed to touch or

738
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: talk to anyone. I'm not allowed to I mean, I

739
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: can talk like this, but I'm not allowed to interact.

740
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: So we're all feeling so isolated and we're feeling, um

741
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: like it feels overwhelming in a way, like I'm not

742
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: knowing what to start. And then we can just look

743
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: at the things that you guys have done and people

744
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: are doing right now, mobilizing and building on infrastructures that

745
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: there we had. Um, it's inspiring and it is possible

746
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: to start smaller. Is in my neighborhood. Ah, there's all

747
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: these signs of some woman, retired woman. I don't know

748
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: who she is. She says I'm retired or maybe yeah,

749
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: she probably would have the time anyway even if she wasn't.

750
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: But she describes herself to make herself seem like a

751
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: non threatening and says like, if you need anything, let

752
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: me know. I'm building a group of people like I

753
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: will go and do the deliveries. You let me know

754
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: what you need. And we're we're figuring out out and

755
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: that it's so simple. Um, I think just in my

756
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: small community here, in my neighborhood, of a way to

757
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: feel take back some of the power that you have

758
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: lost through all of this. I mean, I totally agree,

759
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: and we need that because that's what mutually does. It

760
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: doesn't it puts it. It puts us back in the

761
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: driver's seat. Also, it puts us back in the driver's

762
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: seat not from a fearful thing of prepping. And I've

763
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: got to get down in my shelter. Abortion ship's gone.

764
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: But like, hey man, how can we work together on this?

765
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: And you know, like maybe maybe food, you know, maybe

766
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: food security and in the immediate disaster, not this one,

767
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: but in a immediate disasters like um, instead of me

768
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: stockpiling food, I stop, maybe me and my neighbors all

769
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: stockpiled food together in a house where we work together

770
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: on it. And I'm not talking I'm talking about my

771
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: neighbors who have barely even talked to you know, Like

772
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like people that you've got to reach outside

773
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: your own, especially those are are more vulnerable shut ins

774
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: and people like that. I think it's really important. Um

775
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: And and mutual aid. UM. You know, you've talked. We've

776
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: talked a lot about it, and there's all kinds of

777
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: and you'll see even that there's official mutual Relaid you

778
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: know that as UM this brand of mutually that comes

779
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: out of like UM E, M T S and paramedics

780
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: and stuff and their mutually it's a little different, but

781
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: it's but the mutually I'm talking about as always from

782
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: a liberatory approach, it challenges the dominant narratives. It also

783
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: encourages cooperation and autonomy at the same time. And that

784
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: and that gives us the power, puts us in the

785
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: driving seat when we can do that, because then it's

786
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: not like, well I just bought five rolls of toilet

787
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: paper for myself. I'm like, wow, I actually got some

788
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: things that are good for a bunch of people, and

789
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: they got things for me. When we can we can

790
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: ride this out together. And there's just a lot to that,

791
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: and you know, and the dotally I saw it, and

792
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: not in a Pollyanna way. I watched people with nothing

793
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: give away their last resources to other people over and

794
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: over again, UM, not knowing like if water was coming

795
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: or if food was coming, they would give it away.

796
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: I didn't see that one time or two times or

797
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: four times. I'm like, well, now I saw hundreds of times,

798
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: and so I know that people that people will do that,

799
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: and then you just gotta and then but also mutual

800
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: aid is take making some hard, dirty decisions not to

801
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: let those assholes take over who are afraid, who want

802
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: to walk around with their guns and fucking try to

803
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: threaten everybody because they're so scared. So it it it

804
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: involves you know, multiple multiple things with that. Now. One

805
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been trying to push to

806
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: people because obviously I've been talking about armed self defense

807
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: for a while as it's sort of results or as

808
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: sort of regards the left, and so people started reaching

809
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: out to me when the gun by panics started, and

810
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: I've been really trying to push people away from picking

811
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: up a R fifteen s and a K forty seven's

812
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: And if you're going to get a gun, twenty two

813
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: is a reasonable choice. And it also it improves your

814
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: ability to provide, for example, meet for your community. Right,

815
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: like if things get really bad in a future disaster,

816
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: something you could be hunting rabbit, squirrel, Like there's a

817
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: variety of different small game you can put together, and

818
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: that's a more realistic community self defense scenario for a

819
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: lot of people than needing to fight off a militia. Uh,

820
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: that's exactly for toilet paper. Yeah, my god, I just

821
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: shut those people for toilet paper. Man, I feel good

822
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: about myself. And guns are interesting too. I get a

823
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: lot of questions about guns, and you know, like I

824
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: was gonna, I would say, depending on the scenario, just

825
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: in the framework, depending on the disaster, like in the

826
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: top fifteen or twenty things, I don't know if I

827
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: would even if I would even put guns on that. Always,

828
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: it just depends on what you're like in this in

829
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: this crisis. Obviously no at this stage, no way, no way,

830
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: like way more. Um. The same with gold and cigarettes

831
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: and things that people want to use as commodities. I'm like,

832
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: good mad max life because I don't want any of

833
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. You can you can, you can shove that

834
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: up your ass. Actually, all that gold, I'm telling you,

835
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not trading my gardens forward. I'm not

836
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna trade my food for it, and I'm not gonna

837
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: shoot you for that. Seems like a perfect time to

838
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 1: interject and say we need to go to another ad break.

839
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got more than if you've got

840
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: stuff that you want to barter for, this is the

841
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: time use it for these products and services together everything

842
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: and we're back from those products and services, you guys

843
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: probably have considerably less gold now. Yeah, I'm always amazed

844
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: at people buying gold and disasters like this because I

845
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: just can't think of one where gold will be particularly helpful.

846
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: I can think of one where I can think of,

847
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: like I can imagine situations where people will want extra

848
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: food or medical supplies or even ammunition. But I really

849
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: have trouble imagining gold being useful in any disaster situation

850
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I can envision no. I mean maybe long term crisis.

851
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: You know, like you're shares and years into it, you're

852
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: just like doing barter economies, but you're so far away

853
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: from the nest. If that's the first thing you're going for, man,

854
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna get hungry real fast, and people are gonna

855
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: and shun you because nobody wants your fucking gold. I

856
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: can tell you nobody wants your goals, Like what is

857
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: your gold? Even worse, it's like how do I spend this?

858
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: Like if you're like reaching up that, like if my

859
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: boat was coming by in Katrine and you had gold,

860
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: I would be going like why I wouldn't go get in?

861
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: So let's talk about knowing when collapse is gonna happen,

862
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: can we? So yeah, it's always uneven. Everybody thinks that

863
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna wake up like the movies and it's one

864
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: day it's like everything is different. Well, it's usually not

865
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: like that. It falls. It's uneven and fits and starts.

866
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying not localized. If you have a disaster,

867
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a environmental disaster or war, um, those

868
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: are you know, those those are very localized. But pandemics

869
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: are very international and so um, there's different stages of

870
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: disaster and collapse. And um, one of the one of

871
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: the ways, one of my gauges if if we're if

872
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm ever worrid, I'm never I want gonna be clear

873
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: about this. I am never, ever ever worried about martial law,

874
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: never work about it. There's not enough of them. There

875
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: is not enough of them anywhere except in localized areas.

876
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: So I'm talking about national guard, military of any kind,

877
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: police law enforcement. There's just not enough of them and

878
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: they don't want to do it. So um, but in

879
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: but in collapse. The only the main thing I look

880
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: at is the grid infrastructure of power, So is are

881
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: we do we have electricity? Is it's still running? Do

882
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: we have access to oil and gas? Um? If those

883
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: things are going, then then we are not in collapse.

884
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: Once those things begin not I don't mean in the

885
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: localized way because they shut down power stations and gas

886
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: stations during hurricanes and things like that. I'm talking about

887
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: if you start to see power grids going down, that's

888
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: when you would start having more concerned And I don't

889
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: mean power grids going down because some storm happened and

890
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: and you know, our fire happened again. You start seeing

891
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: it nationwide, that's when problems will start to arise because

892
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with transportation and food security and things

893
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: like that. That just everything is predicated on oil. So

894
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: that's that's a marquee that said. There's really like in

895
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: my analysis is three stages of disasters. The first there's

896
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: the immediate when you have to do things rescue, search, um,

897
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: you're dealing with just immediate triage with death, things like that.

898
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: That eventually gives way to stage two, which is about

899
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: less active, but you're still doing stuff. You're still helping

900
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: people because the infrastructure hasn't returned always, especially in localized disasters,

901
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: so you're you're dealing with things that maybe schools aren't open,

902
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: so you're still dealing with things. People have to get foods,

903
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: people still have to get things because maybe the restaurants

904
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: aren't open. There's a bunch of a bunch of things

905
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: in them. And then the third is the longer part

906
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: of disaster, which is the rebuilding part, which is like

907
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: when you start to get into war situations that are

908
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: just going on for years and years and years. All

909
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: of these situations need mutual aid every time. And I

910
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: think Roja, like you mentioned before, is just such a

911
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: great example, even with all the problems that has. I

912
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: mean again, trying to build something under while the disaster

913
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: is already there is always incredibly difficult. It's always especially

914
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: if that disaster has access to F twenty two. No.

915
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, I mean, I mean that's a gift.

916
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: It's wool right, like slaughtered right, there's no there's no

917
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: so but they've still done amazing things. They're under those,

918
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: under those auspices. Same with the Zapatistas. I think they're

919
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: a really good example, like you basically almost cut off

920
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: from the world physically but not internationally. I mean there's

921
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: totally you know, they're still being able to provide these things.

922
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: And I think that mutual aid just gives us an

923
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: area to give autonomy and collective action and empowerment um,

924
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: even if it's not the answers, and if you put

925
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: it in the liberatory framework, maybe good things out of

926
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: the disaster will continue. And I will be honest, all

927
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: the things that Common Ground did that we're liberatory lost

928
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: their liberatory potential eventually, they all did. The clinic you

929
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: know that we started as an outlaw clinic that the

930
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: one of the first clinic that the clinic that still exists.

931
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: The other six have closed, the mobile clinics have all closed.

932
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: Its um is now it's not liberatory. It's still does

933
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: good service work, but it's not a liberatory clinic anymore.

934
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: It's just a clinic that can provide services to community

935
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: that never had it. So is that a win? Or

936
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I would say it became mainstream. That's totally true, right,

937
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: lost its debtchment no more rebels um. Yeah, I know,

938
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: is that a win? I mean, it's it's the it's

939
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: a win, and that it's the good evolution of what

940
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: it would end up there eventually off run everything successful,

941
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: I suppose, and people pay attention to it, right, But

942
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: those but those people aren't willing to And and this

943
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: is the thing is that I think you, like in

944
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: my Libertory annalysis, you have to be willing to break

945
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: the law because laws are arbitrary, reactionary, bureaucratic, and selectively enforced.

946
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: We all know that, right, So, but you have to

947
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: be willing to break the law, even if it's something

948
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: silly like given some buddy food. You're like, all right,

949
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: if I'm I would rather give them food than than

950
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: follow the law so ly. And I think dealing with

951
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: money is also a really tricky thing. I think that

952
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: building it because especially in activist subculture um where people

953
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: who come from with lots of resources, lots of middle

954
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: class kids come into it, lots of middle class people

955
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: people with access to resources want to pretend they're downwardly mobile,

956
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: and so they often turned back on those resources. And

957
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: this is a problem that has been going on for

958
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: ever since I've ever been doing political work. It's not

959
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: just around disasters, but we need access to resources, so

960
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, what are those resources are? We always need them.

961
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: We need to use our privilege. Uh, it's the same

962
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: thing breaking the law. Well, it's much easier for me

963
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: to break the law. I'm white, middle class. I can't

964
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: get away with stuff for people that necessarily can't. And

965
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I might have access to more resources. It's not cool

966
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: to pretend like I don't have them. I what's good

967
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: is for me to tap into those resources and pay

968
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: it forward. Yeah, it's so easy for me to break

969
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: the law. It's unbelievably easy for me to break the

970
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: law because I'm I'm I've got that that tall white

971
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: guy privilege, which makes it very easy to like talk

972
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: to police and insert myself in situations where police are

973
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: involved and distract them. Um. It's it's a thing I've

974
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: been able to do a number of times over the

975
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: course of my life. And there's just this, UM, I

976
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: think there's a responsibility you have if you are able

977
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: to interface with the law and with the state in

978
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: a way to where they kind of they they're not

979
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: necessarily on a back foot. Um, but they're less aggressive

980
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: towards you and more willing to listen to you. Kind

981
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: of have a responsibility to shove yourself in there when

982
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: it can protect other people who who don't benefit from

983
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: that same attitude. Absolutely agree. So, Cody, did you have

984
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: any anything, any questions you wanted to get into here?

985
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: Leave me alone, robber it. I We'll never do that coding.

986
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: Don't you dare ask me the same question. We're back off. No,

987
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: this has been incredibly thorough and eliminating. Yeah. Thanks, I

988
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: don't I don't have the answers. I mean, that's the

989
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: fucking truth of it. I'm not sitting here on the

990
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: top of the mountain going like, hey man, this is

991
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: all gonna work. I'm with everybody else. I'm just trying

992
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: to figure it out and come along. But had made

993
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: quite a few mistakes along the way and have been

994
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: in some stupid situations that that where it was needed.

995
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: And so I think that it's I have some practical

996
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: experience and I was willing to talk about it, and

997
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: and that overall think that's the only thing I think

998
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm bringing to the to the table, because I think

999
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: all of all of you, and I think I think

1000
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: when we talk to people who are reasonable and that

1001
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: people all want to do this. Yeah. One of the

1002
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: one of the real lessons of any disaster. And there's

1003
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: actually been a significant amount of just academic scholarship on this,

1004
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: is that, more than anything else, people want to help

1005
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: each other. Most people, you know, you've got that, you've

1006
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: got that minority of the population who are monsters in

1007
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: any given part of the world. But most people want

1008
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: to help the people around them in their community. And

1009
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: a big part of building systems of mutual aid UM

1010
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: is giving people an opportunity to be nice to each

1011
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: other um and to be helpful to each other. And

1012
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, more than anything building those systems

1013
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: is the is the is the treatment for the real

1014
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: disease right now, which is fear like that's that's that's

1015
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: going to do more damage to our society than the

1016
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: actual virus itself. And this is the vaccine for it.

1017
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: Is getting is doing shit and also taking while you

1018
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: do ship. By the way, I want to make sure

1019
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: i'm stating this, take take proper sanitization in PPE precautions. Yeah, yes,

1020
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, but something you can rush, you know,

1021
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: some people can run to the fire, and other people

1022
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: can stand nearby the fire. You know, then we need

1023
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: all of those people, and we need to need people

1024
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: to stand back way back, and so you need to

1025
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: do that. We need all of those people working together,

1026
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: not individually. If you're if you're still at a loss

1027
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: as to what you might do, one thing I might

1028
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: suggest is, you know, washing your hands first, using gloves.

1029
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Print out some sheets of paper that say hello, my

1030
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: name is this is an email address or phone number

1031
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: where you can contact me. Do you need something right?

1032
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Do you need something picked up? Are you low on

1033
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: something like? Are you unable to leave your house? If so,

1034
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: reach out to me and I can try to help

1035
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: you and organize that stuff on a spreadsheet, and see

1036
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: if you can help two or three people in your

1037
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: neighborhood and see where where that leads you. Um. And

1038
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: again always you know, sanitize your hands before you handle

1039
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: the paper. You know, have have gloves on or at

1040
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: least like a trash bag around your hands, and be

1041
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: careful to take take the precautions that are nests serry

1042
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,479
Speaker 1: to keep your community safe. UM. But you know that's

1043
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: the way you can do what Scott was talking about.

1044
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: Ask people what they need and then attempt to provide it.

1045
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be you don't have to be

1046
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: building the clinic. People volunteer right like there there are

1047
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: there are yeah, smaller scales ahead of that. Yeah, like

1048
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: the woman in my neighborhood, she put flyers up around

1049
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and maybe somebody that sees that will be

1050
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: able to use that resource. You know, it's not people,

1051
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: that's one woman, and we don't have to and we

1052
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: don't have to judge it because everything doesn't have to

1053
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: be this fucking massive scale. Just let people do be

1054
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: what they want to do as long as they're trying

1055
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: to work together on it, you know, Like I mean,

1056
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: if that's what that lady does and that that helps her,

1057
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: it's far better than you know, standing in line to

1058
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: buy you know, mountains of toilet paper because you feel

1059
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: so disempowered, you know. And I think also approaching this,

1060
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: I think one other piece I would throw into this

1061
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: is approach it with solidarity, not charity. And the reason

1062
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a big distinction there. Solidarity means that we are

1063
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: in this together, and that that is different. We power share.

1064
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: Even if I have more resources and stuff I want

1065
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: if I do good, I want you to do good also,

1066
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: And that's far different than charity, which is like I'm

1067
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Speaker 1: just gonna help you. I don't even care. I care,

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Speaker 1: but I don't care that much, you know, And that's

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Speaker 1: a band aid where solidarity is like we are in

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Speaker 1: this together, and that's important because we are in this together.

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Speaker 1: No nobody's immune from it. Yeah, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the most important things to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind is that, like the goal of all

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Speaker 1: of these things isn't isn't for like you to come

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Speaker 1: in and provide things to other people and and be

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Speaker 1: the savior. The goal is to build. Like when you're

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Speaker 1: reaching out to your neighbors and figuring out what they

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00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: need and trying to build ways to provide it, you're

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Speaker 1: building resiliency within your neighborhood that also defends and liberates you.

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Speaker 1: And like that's a critical component of it. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're just about out of time here. But Scott, you

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Speaker 1: said you had a couple of things that you could

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Speaker 1: plug for um us today for yourself, but here with us,

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Speaker 1: And it's not self promotion. I'm promoting these things because

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get them out for free and I

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Speaker 1: want people to know that. And it's my it's my

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Speaker 1: part that I can do. My first book, Black Flags

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Speaker 1: and Windmills, that came out from PM press is now

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Speaker 1: available for free UH and a digital e reader. All

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Speaker 1: you have to do is give them an email. And

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00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: I negotiated with them for quite a while because they

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00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: are also struggling as a small publisher. They are also

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Speaker 1: struggling because I wanted to give my books away for

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00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: free I often do during these disaster times. And UM,

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: this is what we came up with. And they've also

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Speaker 1: put like ten other really good books on that list.

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Speaker 1: P m press dot org, Paul Mary Press dot org.

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Speaker 1: Um you um, and you can go there and you

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Speaker 1: can get a free e reader Black Flags and Windmills,

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Speaker 1: and and or choose another book, UM, and I would

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Speaker 1: recommend that. Also. My my first book, Black Flacks and

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Speaker 1: whind Mills, is available in Spanish from the Roboso Papal

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Speaker 1: Collective Collectiva. I don't have their email address, but they

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Speaker 1: there's print copies available for Spanish speakers and digital copies

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Speaker 1: also available for free to Spanish speaking people for communities

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Speaker 1: that would need those. And then UM, I started a

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Speaker 1: small record label UM last fall called Emergency Hearts based

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Speaker 1: on this concept that I have called Emergency Hearts. And

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Speaker 1: then some music label UH, and then what we're doing

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Speaker 1: with my my small record label is that I have

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Speaker 1: two titles that we are selling, uh and all the

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Speaker 1: percent of the proceeds goes to different groups. So one

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Speaker 1: of them is Anthroposying Blues Revisited is an EP that

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Speaker 1: I just released with televangel and we're giving that one.

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Speaker 1: You can buy it and all a hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: the proceeds goes to Mutual Aid Disaster Relief dot Org,

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Speaker 1: this great organization that grew out of common Ground and

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Speaker 1: occupying a bunch of organizations that works on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about them earlier. Or there's another compilation called

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Speaker 1: Retro Clubs Classic UM and if you buy that because

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Speaker 1: I live in Austin, Texas, it supports the Health Alliance

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Speaker 1: for Austin Musicians, which helps musicians that don't have health

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Speaker 1: insurance and are in crisis all the time. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: just give them insurance, it actually gives them. It actually

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Speaker 1: provides medical support for them. And so all the proceeds

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Speaker 1: from that and then all the other titles, I think

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Speaker 1: we have like sixty titles on there. All the rest

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Speaker 1: of them are free until a for anybody who just

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Speaker 1: wants them download them. Whatever it is it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're all just you gotta have something to get you through.

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Speaker 1: If you like electronic music, this is the place to

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Speaker 1: do it. Well. Uh, we're gonna end the episode playing

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Speaker 1: uh some of your music, So if you guys like that,

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Speaker 1: you can go check it out. In the meantime, you

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Speaker 1: can check us out online at Worst Year Pod, on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and on Twitter and Scott what's your Twitter handle

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00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: in case people want to find you online at Scott

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Speaker 1: under the score Crow. If you just do Scott Crow,

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Speaker 1: you'll find you'll find him. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: all of this incredible information. I think we've all learned

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Speaker 1: a lot today. Thank you for having me on. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the conversation, and thank all of you for listening, and

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Speaker 1: please go out there and do something. Uh yeah, do something,

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00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: do something, resist, rebel, create and build. There we go.

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Speaker 1: Todays profits, of course, was seeing their siren soul. They

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Speaker 1: beckoned us, they loved us, They fallsed us to join

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Speaker 1: the captains of in the street, who wanted power for themselves,

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Speaker 1: destroyed the beauty for privates, when tempts so worthless? Where

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Speaker 1: where where, like most lives were drunk too, Temples of

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Speaker 1: emtness common shapes of lives and buries. It under calmcreeding life.

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Speaker 1: To to stand It, Say, to Say, to the Best,

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Speaker 1: Jessy Stay and Church, To stand See Stands to the Yah.

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