1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. The NBA Finals are about to kick off, 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: and you know we got to talk about those conference 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: finals as well as this matchup. But we have a 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: very special guest to do it with. Today. We are joined, 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, with somebody who's written on TV, acted 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: on TV, and you may even know him from the 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: hit NBC show Grand Crew, which just got a second season. 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: We have Carl Tart in the building. I'm Miles Gray, 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm Jack O'Brien, and this is Miles and Jack Boots 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: lawless intro. Yes, the finals are here, but more important, 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Carl our guest, Our guests, Mr Carl Tart. If you 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: don't know who Carl Tart is, maybe you're not familiar 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: with laugh because if you are, certainly this is a 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: name you would have ringing in your ears. But Carl, 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: let's not delay any things further. Welcome to the show. 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: How you been man, Thank you for having me. Two 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: of my oldest and dearest friends, two of my and 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Jack and I are so dear, such dear friends that 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: he has watched every single episode of my show. I 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: send you a note tells me how much he likes me, 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: sends me flowers if nobody give me my flowers, Jack 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: is giving me there it is. I'm so happy to 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: be here, y'all. I'm so heavy. You'll finally talking basketball. 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've talked about Jack's history with the game 25 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: of basketball is in his blood. I've never seen you 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: who You got to come out with us on Sundays 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: because I need to see what you're talking about. Yeah, 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: you can, you can see. I'm I'm pretty transparent with it. 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: I have about three just heavy dribbling moves that I 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: like mainline from the N one mixtape. I have no 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: left uh And that's pretty much all you need to 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: know about me. So if you show me left, they're 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: like you've neutralized me on the basketball court. That heavy dribbling, 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: Like you're dribbling many times like James Harden, or you're 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: just like pounding it. I'm hitting like the hurricane that 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: like Ao used to do, or like hot Sauce, Like 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: there were certain like moves that I was like, I 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: just want to create the muscle memory because I would play. 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: See I didn't I didn't make the basketball team, So 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: I played that nutrition with the kids and the honors 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: classes couldn't make it, and I was serving those young 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: students out there on the blacktop. So that's that's me. 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: The kids we weren't allowed to play with. My coach 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: used to be like, don't you be out there with them? 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: You got a game to play. Yeah. When I was 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: in freshman in high school, we used to, uh we 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: used to gamble and for the for like the gangsters, 48 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: and they'd be like, car, car, gonna shoot for me. 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: They used call it shooting for bucks. Remember that there's 50 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: so much pressure because you didn't want to get beat up, right, 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: But so we're like out there, I'm like I gotta 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: make these shots, like that's how they made and these 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: are like seniors and I'm like four team right right right, Yeah, 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: that kind of peer pressure. I don't think there's more 55 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: pressure than a senior being like, hey you you're like, yes, 56 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: he gotta he got a jumper they called called Jimmy 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: is wet. Like you shouldn't have to edit that out. 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: That's a basketball reference. But uh man, So how are 59 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: you feeling about? What did you think about the conference finals? 60 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: East or West? Who do you want to talk about? First? 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: We can talk about we can talk about the Western 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Conference finals first. Sure that happened. Yeah, that happened. Uh, 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: it was what it was. I'm happy with that outcome. 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: I was rooting for the California team. I have my 65 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: thoughts on the Dallas team and their fan base, but 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: I'll keep it to the other podcast. But but I um, 67 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: I was rooting for the California team. You know, I 68 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: like those I like those dudes. Now, you know, everybody 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: was hating on the back of the day, you know, 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: us Lebron guys, big Lebron guy. I definitely was hating 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: on the Warriors back then. But after getting to know 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: Stephen Draymond a little bit more, seeing the adversity that 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: that they faced with Clay being out and seeing that's 74 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, man, y'all ain't y'all. Don't bother 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: me no more. And I also feel like the fighting 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: for Lebron, it's just gonna be what it's gonna be. 77 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: He's entering his twentieth season, so I'm like, yeah, man, 78 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: he's he's gonna get the rings that he got, Like, 79 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if he I don't know if he 80 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: wins another one. He's gonna be my goat forever. It's 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: my guy. But I don't. I don't have no problem 82 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: with the Warriors anymore. No series, what it was that 83 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: showed you saw experience versus no experience. Uh, you saw 84 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: the smart the brains of defensive minded players like Draymond 85 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Green and the way he helped Andrew Wiggins do as 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: much as he could with Luca don Yeah, uh, he 87 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: did it. He did as much as he could, and 88 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: he did a break good job. You know, you gotta 89 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: when you when you got a player like that who's 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: never gonna be that rattled, you gotta capitalize on the 91 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: moments where they do get rattle. Because Luca is still 92 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: very immature on the court, and you can see you 93 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: can see his you know, his bravado, his cockiness when 94 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: things when things are going well, and then you can 95 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: see how much he shuts down when it's not going 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: well and so, and you want to make sure that 97 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: you capitalize on the moment of him not playing well. 98 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: So the other players don't know who to look to 99 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: because there's no other dog all on that team, and 100 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: they need another dog. They need another dog. They got 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: rid of Chris Stops. Christops wasn't that dog. I think 102 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: they need another, uh, another superstar to help him there, 103 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: especially then Wedie came up strong. Jalen Brunson is great. 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: I love I love a four year college guy because 105 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: they get the most disrespect. Jabar says a John Collins type. 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: I I think that that would work there. I mean 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: Dorian Finnis. I think Tim Hardaway Jr. Coming back Is 108 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: gonna help them tremendously. I think he's very good. I 109 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: think he's underrated player. I've watched him in those Clipper 110 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: series and he ate us up a couple of games 111 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: when we did kind of neutralize Luca, and neutralizing Luca 112 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: is letting him do what he wants and making sure 113 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: nobody else scores the basketball. And uh but he uh yeah, 114 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: John Collins type of a big forward that can that 115 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: can shoot the ball from the outside, kind of like 116 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: what they have. But somebody's a little bit faster than 117 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: like a Maxi cleeper, somebody a little bit more of 118 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: a dog, a little bit of a better score than 119 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: than Maxi cleeber. I think that's what they're lacking anyway. 120 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: All to the Eastern Conference Finals. Alright, so game said, 121 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we might as well talk about the thing 122 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: the whole series turned on, which is the Jimmy Butler three, 123 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: but like, up until the moment that that hit the 124 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: front of the rim, it felt like he was just 125 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: the Heat were just like, like somebody tweeted that it 126 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: seemed like they were playing for a game eight, like 127 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: they were just kind of slow rolling it. And then 128 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: when they made the comeback, I was like, damn, like 129 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: they really are just giving exactly what they need to 130 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: win this by one shot and then obviously he didn't 131 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: make it. But he didn't make the shot. I was 132 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: at a wedding why that game was going on, and 133 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: I was watching on my phone under the table, and uh, 134 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I was watching a little bit because I'm I'm like, 135 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of this. This playoffs has been exhausting, man, 136 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: It's been exhausting. So I'm watching, I'm going back and forth. 137 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: But I was rooting for the Heat. I'm not a 138 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: Boston fan by any means. I love to see them lose, 139 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: but they didn't lose, and rightfully so, they were the 140 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: better team that That shocking Game six win by the 141 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: Miami Heat was beautiful. Yeah, it was like, Jimmy Butler 142 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: is one of the most underrated players in the league. 143 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: I saw somebody tweet and these are the type of 144 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: things that make me exhausted with takes like this. I 145 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: saw somebody tweet Jimmy Butler is one of those rare 146 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: guys that's not a top five player, and I go, 147 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think we just gotta we gotta tone 148 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: it down with the rankings, the live rankings and things 149 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: like that, and understand what basketball is. It is the Yes, 150 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: there are superstars that played better, that do better things 151 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: than others, but the system is what works. The system 152 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: has to work. The Golden State Warriors proved that to 153 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: us with their first three championships, Like it's the system 154 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: that work that allows the superstar players to thrive, and 155 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: said system it all has to come together like a 156 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: beautiful mix. Jimmy Butler has not had that. Jimmy Butler. 157 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend about this and I 158 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: always bring him up just because he's talked. I'm not 159 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan, but he talks. You know, 160 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I can't deny who he is. Luca don Jimmy Butler 161 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: is playing Luca done one on one. I think Jimmy's 162 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: got way more dog in him than Luca does. And 163 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: I think that Jimmy Butler could win that if he 164 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: makes the shots and Luca mimses a, come you know 165 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean that was my whole thing 166 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: was that he should have made the three and that 167 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: should like that's the that's the thing that he's talking 168 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: about there, like should he have taken it? Should he 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: have not taken it? But like if you think about 170 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: whether he had made it, if he had just made it, 171 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: like that would have they would have had the lead. 172 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: I think, Jack, that takes ridiculous, ridiculous take. Do you 173 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: think he should have made that shot as a home 174 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: missing it? Jack? Come on, man, they let you talk 175 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: on his microphone like he set himself up for a 176 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: story book. Comeback, think about next year, Jack, This year 177 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: don't matter. I know a lot of like you know, 178 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: Max Strews hit that three is the game's winding down. 179 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: It's what the three? So that three puts them within 180 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: two and again, like you're saying, with the momentum going 181 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the game, I'm like, this feels 182 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: as Jimmy Butler's coming down the court with I'm like this. 183 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: I remember being like I feel like this is we're 184 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: about to see the thing that's supposed to happen. But here, 185 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: let's just take a little bit of a listen to 186 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: that play from that three to take it to making 187 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: a two. So again the energy feels like, Okay, now 188 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: they're within two mm. The comeback is on its way 189 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: in eleven oh run. So Streuss had just made his 190 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: shot correct, which is pretty good according to math. That 191 00:09:53,920 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: puts them within two and now smart Smart coming striving 192 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: and strokes it up. It was like, I'm starting to 193 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: feel pre war. Damn. You heard it in his voice 194 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: right there, like that was the right shot because he 195 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: clearly thought it was going in. And I think everybody 196 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: was like for the like in their heart, they were 197 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: like they thought they were about to watch, like when 198 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: people just suddenly have the ability to rewrite the laws 199 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: of physics and just do whatever they want. For a 200 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: couple of plays on the basketball court, Jabar brings up 201 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: ant to the point there was a three that was 202 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: retroactively wiped the way that could have definitely made a difference. 203 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: He did not step on the line, did He was 204 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: right over it. It was up. He didn't step on 205 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: the line, and he took that away, which you know, 206 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: can we can write that off as a Boston call, 207 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do 208 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: that fair and square. I think the better team won 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: the series, of course. I think that, you know, bad 210 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: being your second best score. It's tough when you're playing 211 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: against such a strong, defensive minded team. Robert Williams does 212 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: so much on the court and makes up for so 213 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: many mistakes that Boston makes. Jayson Tatum and Jayalen Brown 214 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: have like the most turnovers in the playoffs, I think. 215 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: But when you gotta play like Robert Williams out there, 216 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: like he makes up for mistakes like that. Al Horford 217 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: is just a basketball mind. He knows what's going on. 218 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: He played so well on that game stuff. They shout 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: out the geriatric millennials right now. Um My, uh Marcus Smart. 220 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: You know he's gonna do what he's gonna do. When 221 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: he started hitting threes, that's what I just like turned 222 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: to the people I was with. I was like, that's it, 223 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: that's over. It's over right there, you're gonna have that. 224 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: I think going into this Golden State Series, it's gonna 225 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: be And this is a Jack Jack O'Brien point, like 226 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: it are you gonna do is make this shot? It's 227 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: gonna be more Tonna mac farlan, take the team, these 228 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: two teams, I'm gonna just tell you like this, it's 229 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive versus defensive game at every possession, 230 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: At every possession, one team is gonna be playing really 231 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: good defense and the other team's gonna be playing really 232 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: good offense. And that's what we're gonna see, and that's 233 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: what we look out for. Uh No. I think I 234 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: think an X factor in this series is Andrew Wiggins. 235 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: I think he has to play defense on Jason Tatum 236 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: as well as he did on Luca Done. And I 237 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: think Jason Tatum I want to say James Tatums is 238 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: better than Luca uh, but that just might be my 239 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: hate rate uh coming out of my poores. But I 240 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: think he uh definitely can be stopped easier then Luca 241 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Done because his his turnover rate is much higher than 242 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: Luca Dodge. Luca Dodges protected a little bit more with 243 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: the angles that he uses to play with this Tatum 244 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: plays a little bit more, you know, athletically, and that 245 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: calls for a lot of more a lot more turn 246 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: I think if Andrew Wiggins can can neutralize him a 247 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: little bit then then Golden State has a chance. I 248 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: think that's the the X factor any and it also 249 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: has to be from both that he has to make shots, 250 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: he has to Andrew Wiggins has to be on offensively 251 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: and defensively. I think he's the X factor in the 252 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: whole thing. Staff is gonna do, Steff. I think if 253 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: they win, like steps, finally gonna get his his offensive uh, 254 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: his m VP, his Finals MVP this this series. But 255 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: Boston's defense is just out of this world. And that's 256 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: the thing when you compare Tatum and uh, Luca is 257 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: like well, Tatum is also one of the best perimeter 258 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: defenders in the league, so that that makes a difference 259 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: because as you pointed out that, uh, you know, Wiggins 260 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: is going to have to play defense on Tatum. Um, 261 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: and that is important, is whether you can play defense 262 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: on the guy who is trying to put the ball 263 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: in the basket. That's what I hear too. You know, 264 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: it's this is important, what you're doing when you don't 265 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: have the ball in your hands. You know, it's the 266 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: little things that count. You know. They all had up, 267 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, And Brian, you can add the Alpaccino speech 268 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: from from any given Sunday there, that matchup is interesting. 269 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how you know, the how 270 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: the coaches go after it in terms of, like you know, 271 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: the overall strategy and in dealing with each other's offensive threats. 272 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: Really like looking at the Warriors, part of me see, 273 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: this is the thing. When I look at this series, 274 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: so many things I thought were going to happen have 275 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: not happened. So at this point I'm looking at the 276 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: outcome is just sort of like, well, I think the 277 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: universe is telling me I'm I don't know anything. And 278 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: if that's the case, my fear I don't And this 279 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: is just my fear as I predict what could happen 280 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: here is that I see I see a reality where 281 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics very much winness and that and that 282 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: freaks me out. That freaks and I'm being honest listeners, 283 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: that freaks me out. That freaks me out. It freaks 284 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: me out too, because I would much to do the 285 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: opposite of winners thing how much rather than see them 286 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: lose this thing and uh, yes, he loses. The losing 287 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: is that one team is gonna win, and I think 288 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: the team that wins the most games will be the 289 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: winner of the series. And that's how many out of 290 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: seven games you at least need to win four of them. 291 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: The listeners write that down, you need to win four 292 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: out of your seven games a little bit later now. 293 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: But I definitely think that they have a huge chance 294 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: at winning the series. I think it it hinges on 295 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: a lot of little things. Uh. Now, where the Golden 296 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: State Warriors do have the advantages. Of course, it's the 297 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: best shooting team we've ever seen. Uh and uh. I. 298 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: I do think Steph is going to be the best 299 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: player on the court for both teams. I think that's 300 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: so that's beneficial. Draymond's gotta keep it. He gotta keep it, 301 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: he gotta stay in the game. You think he's very important. 302 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: But however, I think they're gonna need some Kevon Looney's 303 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: gonna have to keep playing well. He's been playing well. 304 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to keep playing well because they're gonna 305 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: need his size against Horford and Rob Williams. I think 306 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. It's it's just it's gonna be 307 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: a real tough matchup. I think I think it goes 308 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: to six or seven. I don't like people are like 309 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Golden States heavily favorite. I don't know why they would 310 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: say that their heavily favorite. Look at what Boston has 311 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: done against every team, every team in this like it 312 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: was Miami was probably the worst team that they played, 313 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: and they were the number one he needs. Like when 314 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: you think about, you know, they sweep Kyrie and Kevin Durant, 315 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: two generational talents. They beat the crap out of Nice. 316 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hope that dude. That dude probably 317 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: still sit in the ice bath, and they were they 318 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: were injured and their offensive efficiency was awful, abysmal when 319 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: he was off the court. But I don't I don't 320 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: know why people are like, oh, there's gonna be a 321 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: cake walk for gold this day. Every time about some wins, 322 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, how are they not sweeping this series? Like 323 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: when they have it going, they look so much better 324 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: than whoever they're playing. And yeah, that's not that's not 325 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: my preferred outcome, But I mean it makes sense to 326 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: me that like Warriors of the Public team because they 327 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: have the stars that people have seen win a championship 328 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: before um and just like the more recognizable names. But 329 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not saying anything that like Zach 330 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Low hasn't said a hundred times or whatever advanced stats 331 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: people's names are. I mean, one fact that I saw 332 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: posts I think from the ESPN stats account was that 333 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: this is the the that both teams in this finals 334 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: uh their top three scorers this postseason were drafted by 335 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: their respective teams. So Curry, Thompson, Pool and Tatum, Brown 336 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: and Smart And the first time the top three postseason 337 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: scores on each NBA Finals team debuted with their respective team. 338 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: That was That's been since in the Bulls Jazz series. 339 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: So let me ask you all this. Do you all 340 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: think Minga is gonna see some good run in the final? Actually? 341 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: One how idea? I mean, it's like, you know, because 342 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a close series and it's 343 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: gonna be unpredictable. I could definitely see them wanting to 344 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: use him to just like kind of keep Boston off 345 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: balance right between him and Robert Williams. I feel like, 346 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's a good matchup. Yeah, that's cool. Though. 347 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: The stat you were talking about, Miles was like, that's 348 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: something that I feel like GMS are probably have been 349 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: taken note of, is like, you know, keeping a cord 350 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: together as opposed to like the era of you know, 351 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: just stacking blue chip players and like everybody being focused 352 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: on the off season more than like what would actually happens. 353 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: It's like last year, you know, Janice uh stuck with 354 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: Milwaukee won the chip and this year, whoever wins is 355 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: going to be kind of the same, same lesson, Right, Um, 356 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: so maybe maybe there's something to it. Yeah, keep your 357 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: eyes peeled front offices of certain teams. All right, let's 358 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back, and we're back. Um. 359 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: This is this is the part of the show, Carl 360 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: where we like to ask our guests some things about 361 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: their their relationship to a round ball, which is what 362 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: I call basketball. When I'm hanging out with John Tesh. 363 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: Me and John Tesh are close personal friends. It's the 364 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: only reason the NBA would let me do this show. 365 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: To check the voicemail, you were the one that that 366 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: checks when he doesn't he doesn't add that when he's 367 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: doing it live, he doesn't say. And then my boy 368 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: Jack like check the voicemail, was like, Hey, I think 369 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: you might want to listen to this again. Um wait, Jack, 370 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: what's it say? It says something like okay, yeah, let me, 371 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: have you ever played ball with John Tesh I guess 372 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: that's my first question for you, because I have never 373 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: played basketball with John Tesh. I've been trying every day, 374 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: but like, man, let's get hold this ld Teshiling with 375 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: this whole body with the ball out in front of him. 376 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: He's got a very old school looking when when he's 377 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: pretending to dribble the ball that we're all referring to do. 378 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: Anybody who doesn't know what we're talking about should just 379 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: go google John Tesh Round Ball, Rock, Roundball Rock Live. Yeah. Um, alright, 380 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: first thing we like to ask everybody, craziest thing you've 381 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: ever seen on a basketball court in person? Carl Tart 382 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: like just wild, was like athletic move, just supernatural ability. 383 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: I saw DeMar de Rosen catch two bodies at the 384 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: same time at U c l A. You know, we 385 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: were standing on the sideline being like, yeah, luckily we 386 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: don't have next. It's just that, Yeah, when he was 387 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: a senior in high school and we were all there playing, 388 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: and you know, me and my friends like the wax 389 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: nostalgic about those days. But there was three courts in 390 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: the Wooden Center at U c l A. And we 391 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: would call like the first court the D one court, 392 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: the second court was the D two court, and the 393 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: third court was just like a bunch of very smart kids, 394 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: like kind of running like the nutrition with me. We 395 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: we spent most of our time on the D two court, 396 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: getting like medium runs in, you know what I mean. 397 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: But that D one court at a certain point, you 398 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: just went over there and watched because everybody was there. 399 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: Everybody would be there, Like I remember seeing all the 400 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: guys from the team come in. This is at the 401 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: time my freshman yor high school of college is also, 402 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, like the years of of the Kevin Love, 403 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook years, Drew Holiday was around, Darren Collinson was around. 404 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: They would all come in hoop with guys like Romeo. 405 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Little Romeo was out. Yeah, he got to run because 406 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: he was Romeo. He was never definitely not at the 407 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: caliber of those players, even though he did get a 408 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: D one scholarship to sc Jabari calls Romeo to pride 409 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: of s C. I see that, Uh but I uh 410 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: and and to mar will be out there. Uh, some 411 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: older NBA guys would be out there. Uh. Stephan Marberry's brother. 412 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: He was always a person who would come out there 413 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: and killing everybody. Uh, and those were just the fun 414 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: days of hooping up there and you wanted to play, 415 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: but it was like I can't, I shouldn't get out 416 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: of here. But yeah, that's that's one off the top 417 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: of my head. Like I literally saw him just like 418 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: jump over two dudes that was trying to play. He 419 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: was so athletic at that and it's like, okay, you 420 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: got next. You're like, no, getting the car? What I 421 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: tell you about coming around messing with these boys. I 422 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: think also that you guys mentioned on your great basketball 423 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: podcast of Flavoring Ones, which that that's one I've caught 424 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: every episode of, and I think you guys talked at 425 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: one point about how it would be uh interesting to 426 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: add a regular person like what every team just has 427 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: to have a regular person out there just too, so 428 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: that we could see the different sale scale. Just see 429 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: watching like a six ft one guy who like has 430 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: some post game yeah, because he plays center and right 431 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: exactly just getting getting absolutely demolished. Ye think about an NBA, 432 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: but he's got to be the person who talks the 433 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: most crap on on Twitter, right of course. I just 434 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: like the idea to where it's like there's like there's 435 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: a stretch of the game where the regular dudes have 436 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: to come in, you know, like substitution for the Lakers 437 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: number nineties seven. Rick. Yeah, just like only first name 438 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: last like help group. He works on h v A 439 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: C units and installations and thinks he's better than Steve Nash. Great, 440 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: but JV team, it's his senior year. Did not make 441 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: the varsity basketball team. Only made JV his senior year 442 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: because his father was the health teacher. Oh no, okay, 443 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: Luca may have blinded him with that dunk, hit him 444 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: right in his eyes as it came through the bottom 445 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: of the net. Hate, but yeah, I would say, off 446 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: the top of off the top of my head, that 447 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: was one of the craziest moments. Uh, give you a 448 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: little history of myself. One of the craziest moments in 449 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: in hindsight. M hmm, yours truly Lebron style blocking James 450 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: Harden off the backboard six on a breakaway set up. 451 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: Set this up, Carl. Uh, it's the Orange County Classic. Uh, 452 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: Hamiltons High School versus RTIs High School. These guys at 453 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: this time got three of the top players in California. 454 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: One guy named Raynardo Sydney. He was a six ft 455 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: ten shooter, big guy, hard to guard. He was one 456 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: of the top guys in the state. Another guy named 457 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: Malik Story. I think he went on to play Indiana 458 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: for a while but kind of petered out there. And 459 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: James Harden, who you know in high school, you everybody's 460 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: kind of like at a similar level, you know, if 461 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: you playing varsity basketball. So I'm like, I'm guarding this dude, 462 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: and like, you know, he's not like murder, He's not 463 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: putting up a hundred points on me and nothing like that. 464 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: And I'm coming in and he kind of shakes me 465 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: and then goes up with like a soft layup and 466 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: I just kind of bow and I'm talking. I'm talking cash. 467 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: You know, that's top ten, top ten. Anyway, he comes back. 468 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: Let's just say he catches the body and that body's 469 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: name was called Tard. He got me good. He got 470 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: me good. Yeah, so what like what he he just 471 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: went up for it. You said, you know what, let's 472 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: try because at that you know this before social media, 473 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: this tape will never be found unless you go like 474 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: to the film room at Artisia High School something maybe, 475 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: but like, uh, they this tape will never be found. 476 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: So this is before a social media era where everybody's 477 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: like running from the getting dunked on. It's only you 478 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: only got to do with the embarrassment of the immediate 479 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: crowd teammates. Never exactly, but he also went on to 480 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: be well, James Hart, so like, I'm cool with I'm 481 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: cool with that. Uh and uh yeah he got me 482 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: good because I got two cocky after blocking him, after 483 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: blocking his layup, because he was like like two inches 484 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: taller than me, so we were virtually standing at the 485 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: same you know, length, and like, yeah, oh well, you know, 486 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: at least look that's that's a moment that at least 487 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: you can remember. It's whild Like, I was just looking 488 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: up Artiager High School. There's a Google review for Artiager 489 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: High School, and one of the Google reviews four stars. 490 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: But the review is James Harden a dog bro Like alright, 491 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: So we wanted to play this clip from a podcast. 492 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm actually just gonna read the quote, but it's Germaine 493 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: O'Neill talking about why he eventually left Miami was not 494 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: the reason I was expecting. He said, I'm gonna start 495 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: with Miami. They wanted me to resign. I knew that 496 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: braun and then was coming. And this is the reallest 497 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: thing I could tell you all. You know, they got 498 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: that eight percent body fat. That ship is serious for 499 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: a big guy that's heavy lifting, referring to like the 500 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: Miami mentality where they they demand everybody getting really good shape. 501 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: Then he says, I remember going into the pantry at 502 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: night looking at the oreos, the oreos looking at me, 503 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: and I couldn't bro. I am in a full battle 504 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: daily on what I ate and I was like, bro, 505 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm thirty plus years old. I can't go through this. 506 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm too old to be having 507 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: a debate whether or I want to have an oreo 508 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: or not. I can't do that ship. So that's why 509 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: I left Miami. Oh, I could relate, relate because it 510 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: was recently that I learned that two oreos are like 511 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty calories. Like the serving sizes too, 512 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: and that goes up. If you're getting double stuff to 513 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: make a stuff or whatever, the serving sizes too, you 514 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: should be having two cookies. You should be sitting there 515 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: if you want a nice if you want to eat moderation, 516 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: have a nice treat plate. Two oreos. You sit down 517 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: on the couch and you have your tea and you 518 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 1: eat your two like I eat sleeves of Yes, oh 519 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: they might go stale if I don't eat. If I 520 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: can't steal this bag, I take mag oreos, I take 521 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: the one side off one of them and put it together. 522 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: So there's three cookies to stuff things. And that's my 523 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: ideal amount. And this, come on, you just believe I'm 524 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: doing it with whole milk straight you know what I mean. 525 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm not doing get straight shot, just chugging heavy whipping cream. 526 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: You know what time it is. I think about that 527 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: now what basically what he was. When I first heard 528 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: that clip, I was like, I relate to this so much, 529 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: even now in a world where I don't have to 530 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: have apricent body fat to be in my career, uh 531 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: less than a percent body fat. And I'm like, man, 532 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: that's got to be extremely hard because I'm the type person. 533 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Like right before we got on to record, I went 534 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: to the gym and I'm like, I'm doing this. I'm 535 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: putting in this, this heavy lifting. I'm doing these five 536 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: by five and I'm on this peloton so I can 537 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: eat that sleeping Boreo, I can maintain us a healthy balance, 538 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I don't. I don't know 539 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: how they I don't know. I totally relate to him. 540 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, especially at that point, he's probably like, man, basketball, 541 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm about done right. If you have if there was 542 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: a food you struggle with, Carl, what would it? What's 543 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: your oreoles? Crispy cream doing that's just a regular yeah, 544 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: when they're hot and fresh, come. I don't think there's 545 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: anything better tasting. But also for me, it's just like 546 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: late night eat Like I like, late night eating is bad. 547 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: Also like just snacking, Like imagine that. Imagine going to 548 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: see your pantry and you're seeing a bunch of marrow 549 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: chon cup of noodles. You can't no not doing that. 550 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: You put it, you put an egg in that, and 551 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: it becomes the health food. Exactly my thing I think 552 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, Jabari put the question, what would be 553 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: our Achilles heal if we were professional athletes? I think 554 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: mine would be like mountain dew. And like other sweet beverages, soda. 555 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: Soda is killing me too, it is. There's nothing more 556 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: refreshing after a night of heavy drinking cold Coca cola 557 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: and all of his glory. R. Yeah. For me, it 558 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: would probably be like Curn's nectar juice, which is just 559 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: pure sugar. Oh yeah, you know I was getting in 560 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: the can, kay Jack, Come on now for the West Coasters, 561 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: I hear that can Current's nectar and mashed potatoes with 562 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: like a ton of butter. Like I can of all 563 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: the dishes I have trouble not eating. Like if if 564 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: I see like something that looks good as a mashed 565 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: potato and the rest, I'm like, let me also get 566 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: aside of those. Man. Yeah, because now let me ask 567 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: you if you like your mash potatoes chunky. You're like, 568 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: I like, I can eat smooth, I can chunky with 569 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: the skin parsley in there, whatever, love, But I love 570 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: a chunky I love a couple of pieces of whole potato. 571 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, especially when it's like cooked rather Sometimes someone 572 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: will rush and you're like, you're like, was there an 573 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: apple in there and potato? Yeah? Not not that. All right, 574 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back with 575 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: our rapid fire round the questions for our guest, Carl Tark. Yeah, 576 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: and we're back to close out the show. Carl, we 577 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: gotta hit you some rapid fire questions. Do not think, 578 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: just respond and we will move to the next question 579 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: so we can get We will be judging here we 580 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: go start the clock now, t don't What is the 581 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: greatest finals matchup ever? Warriors Cleveland two? Okay, yep, favorite 582 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: finals moment ever? The block, the Lebron block, the tart 583 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: On hardened block, and the tart On Harden block. When 584 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: he stole from me started from me, he saw me 585 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: doing high school, Carl tart what is your ultimate finals matchup? 586 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: As in, you could take the oh one Lakers versus 587 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: ninety six Bulls or maybe the seen Warriors versus the 588 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: eight six Celtics. What's the ultimate finals matchup you'd like 589 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: to see. I'd like to see the two thousand sixteen 590 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: Cavalier Years versus the ninety one Bulls. Okay, all right. 591 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: You can pick any song as your in arena music 592 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: after you make a three. What's your song? Uh? The 593 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: Country rap King by Michal Night goes. I'm a chain smoking, 594 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: whiskey drinking son of if you want to go with 595 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: that's also my walk up music in baseball? Uh? And Carlo, 596 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: you can get any basketball shoe ever? Okay? What are 597 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: your top two or three? Are the best basketball shoes 598 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: I played in? Are the Lebron six team And remember 599 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: the two thousand seven shocks with the with the strap. 600 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: You remember those? Which one did they have? They were 601 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: the east Bay shoe and when you got east Bay 602 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: they had them in every single color. Oh wait, the 603 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: elite to let me see that had like the like 604 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: an air Force one, like mid strap up there by 605 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: the ankles. Yeah, yeah, we're superior. So they have the 606 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: little springs in the in the hill. Areaw thousand five 607 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: Nike Shocks Elevate? That was another good one. Oh yes, alright, 608 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: greatest clipper of all time? You said, don't think about it. 609 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my favorite shan living just because 610 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. Okay, but you know Leonard 611 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: of course. Okay. Uh if you could go back and 612 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: pick any final series game to watch in person from 613 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: history that you could say, I was there, Here is 614 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: my ticket stub. What is that series you want to 615 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: go see? Or game? Not very not very creative, but 616 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: I still gotta go with that with that Game seven, 617 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: like with the block, Like I imagine what it was 618 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: like to feel that room of brand new Warriors fans defeated, 619 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: just defeated. You're more excited for next season with the 620 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: Clippers or what the Pelicans can do, because I know 621 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: you you had a rooting interest in both teams. But 622 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: those are both teams that I feel like next year, 623 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: everybody's got their eye on them as like they could 624 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: be the Griz the Warriors of next year. They were 625 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: very fun to watch this year. I was at the game, 626 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: at the playing game where the Clippers lost to the Pelicans. 627 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: So it's not bad for me either way. I mean, 628 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: it is kind of because I've been a Clipper fan 629 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: along and I was a Pelicans fan they were. I 630 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: was out here before the Pelicans moved for the listener. 631 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: I'm originally from Mississippi born, came out the womb, a 632 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: diehard Saints fan who that nation black and go till 633 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm dead and co that's NFL when I had to 634 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: talk about that. However, I moved to Los Angeles, became 635 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: a Clipper fand the Hornets moved to New Orleans in 636 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: two thousand two. I kind of supported them, but they're 637 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: definitely my second team. I got gear, I got hoodies, 638 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: I got right right out. I've never seen a like 639 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: offseason thing where they were just like he's been cleared 640 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: to play, you know, but I think that's excited. Yeah, 641 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: this past week they were like, Zion is cleared and 642 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: ready to play, even though we're like months away. I 643 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: think people are just so excited, you know, to see 644 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: him on a team that was already kind of putting 645 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: some interesting looks together. Absolutely, Carl Tart truly a pleasure. Uh, 646 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: one of the best, one of the best in the biz. 647 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Um Where can people find you? Follow you here? You 648 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: see you all that good stuff. You can follow me 649 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram at dammit called d A M M I 650 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: T C A r L. You can watch my show 651 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: Grand Crew all the episodes streaming now on Peacock or 652 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: Hulu wherever you watch NBC shows. You can also see 653 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: the season two of Grand Crew coming out on NBC 654 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: sometime either late this year or early next year, but 655 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: don't forget about it. It'll be there. And you can 656 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: listen to me on the Flavoring Ones, which is another 657 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: basketball podcast that's on the Patreon dot com slash Flagoring Ones, 658 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: or My Gossip Girl rewatch podcast, My Good Buddy Lamar 659 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: Woods excellent of gossip Kings want to help that work. 660 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: Finding wherever you get your podcasts there it is all right, folks. 661 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: Well we got game one of the finals. Uh man 662 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: about to start at any moment, depending on when you're 663 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: listening to this, as it is coming out the day 664 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: of game one, so you know it after game one though, 665 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: don't listen to it it immediately it goes bad. So 666 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: I guess we should have told you that up top. 667 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: Sorry if you did. Anyway, Uh, take care and we'll 668 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: see you next week. To keep on talking to basketball 669 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: by