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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter. I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back everyone. It is

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Speaker 1: November and for most places, the deer rud is starting

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Speaker 1: to kick off pretty good. I've been out pretty much

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Speaker 1: every day doing a lot of elk guiding. But during

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Speaker 1: it I've been seeing lots of mule deer cruising, lots

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Speaker 1: of white tails popping out. Seems like the deer rud,

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Speaker 1: at least where I'm at, it's kind of kicking off early.

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Speaker 1: A lot actually a lot of red activity this year.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like one of those years where the

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Speaker 1: deer out and about, and I've been seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of animal movement this year. I've been

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Speaker 1: actually in my little cabin here, my guide cabin, get

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Speaker 1: the fire going. It's been a long day. So if

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Speaker 1: i seem like I'm nodding off, just getting I'm fully

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Speaker 1: focused on this podcast. Um. But when you're guiding every day,

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Speaker 1: day and day out, and then you sit down to

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Speaker 1: do a podcast, You're like, Man, I'm tired. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be getting up here in a few hours. It's PM.

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Speaker 1: I will be getting up at three thirty AM, and

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Speaker 1: I'll probably have this done and uploaded by about midnight.

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Speaker 1: So tomorrow is going to be a grind, but I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have it any other way. When I think about

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Speaker 1: grinding out the season, you know, generally I think about

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Speaker 1: because some of my favorite topics mule here, the stuff

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing. But one thing that also comes to

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Speaker 1: this time of year. It's a really really fun thing

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Speaker 1: to do chase white tail box, especially if you don't

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Speaker 1: have a mule your tag, or you're in an area

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Speaker 1: where there's both white tails and a mule here maybe

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Speaker 1: more white tails. I know a lot of the people

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Speaker 1: listening to this podcast live in different places, So this

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Speaker 1: week we're gonna be talking about some white tail calling tactics,

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Speaker 1: everything from setting up, how to set up, choosing that location,

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Speaker 1: the calls to make, and what you need to do

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Speaker 1: to bring a white tail buck into your setup. But

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Speaker 1: before we do that, I want to share the story

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Speaker 1: of my best mountain white tail and some of the

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Speaker 1: other action that we encountered last season. I actually think

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Speaker 1: I'm at the point in the podcast where I can't

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Speaker 1: remember what stories I've told. So it might be like

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Speaker 1: that your grandpa that it's like, hey, remember that buck

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Speaker 1: that I shot up there on Loan Tree Ridge, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, Grandpa, you told me that story four times.

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Speaker 1: Be like yeah, but it was a good story. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's this. But I was like thinking about white tails.

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Speaker 1: And then I remember last season last year about this time,

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Speaker 1: did a podcast has probably episodes in the sixties somewhere

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Speaker 1: and then about now, let's see, that was probably like

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Speaker 1: mid October, and then about it was November thirteenth last year,

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Speaker 1: I shot that buck or what I'm pretty sure was

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Speaker 1: that buck, which ended up being my biggest like public

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Speaker 1: that means more time to hunt for ourselves. My wife

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Speaker 1: And you have a perfect broadside shot on this deer.

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Speaker 1: like I just see a little piece and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: And she's like, you shoot him, And I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: I will shoot him because I've encountered this buck before

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Speaker 1: and I just didn't want him to get away this time.

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Speaker 1: So I take the rifle, I line up. He's in

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Speaker 1: and I'm like sweet. So we both walked up there.

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Speaker 1: Don't get super aggressive. I just kind of gradually start

426
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Speaker 1: getting into it or working into it. So if there's

427
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: a deer, like I mean, I've I've done that, like

428
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: a couple of clicks and a deer runs in from

429
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: probably fifty sixty yards away that you had no clue

430
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: was even there, just behind some brush that you thought, oh,

431
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: I can see in this little opening. I can see here,

432
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: and there's a deer in the cover pretty close by.

433
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: So I always start out a little bit lighter. I've

434
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: used a little bit of everything. I mean, I have

435
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: used rattling bags. I've used shoulder blades, like shoulders from

436
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: de year just after I cook it up, just shoulder

437
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: but actually it makes a pretty solid sound. They work

438
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: really good for moose paddles to like using a moose

439
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: shoulder blade to rake, or it sounds like a antler raking,

440
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: and I'll throw those and so use those antlers. But

441
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: I found like real antlers seem to work the best.

442
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: I talked about it on the Q and A. But

443
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: plastic antlers or I don't know if I talked about,

444
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: but plastic antlers. I've used those, and they tend to

445
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: break when it's really cold. I've broke more of those

446
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: than I know what to do with. So pick up

447
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: a piece a couple of sheds and give it the rattle.

448
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: Start out light, start out easy, just tickling times. And

449
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: then as I as it goes on, time goes on,

450
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: I get more aggressive, making louder noises. I don't I

451
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: mean I think that I don't know. This is just

452
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: what I do, and I found a lot of success.

453
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: But I'm also hunting really big country and I need

454
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: to cover a lot of country to find what it

455
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 1: is deer are, So I actually call quite frequently. I'll

456
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: rattle probably for two or three minutes. I'll let sit

457
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: for three to five minutes, and I'll rattle again. If

458
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: there's deer that here. They generally come in the ones

459
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: that aren't interested. I'm not interested in. So step four

460
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: is find the bucks that want to play. When you're

461
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: hunting big country white tails, you have the opportunity to

462
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: move around and you aren't just stuck on one particular

463
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: stand one particular area. Now you can you can do

464
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: the same tactic by setting up a tree standard area

465
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: where getting a lot of deer movement. It's like, hey,

466
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: maybe deer moving all day, You've got the patients to

467
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: sit for it. But for me, I'm just looking for

468
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: those bucks that are like real aggressive and want to

469
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: come into that call, want to come into that rattling,

470
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: Because that's pretty much the tactic I'm gonna be using

471
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: in the spots that I'm setting up. I could sit

472
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: and wait, but they probably won't have a good shot

473
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: or they won't be I'm not going to spend the

474
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: time to figure out where their movements and patterns are.

475
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out each day and try to

476
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: find the deer that want to come into that rattle

477
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: by picking the best locations for calling them in somewhere

478
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: where I can get elevated, where they've got a good

479
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: travel corridor, where I see that sign and I know, hey,

480
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: there's deer in this area, but here I'm going to

481
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: attract them to a place where I can get a

482
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: shot or get eyes on them. And so what I'm

483
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: really focusing on is, you know, being essentially fairly aggressive

484
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: with the calling um and using that rattling to draw

485
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: those deer to my location. Now, I also mix in

486
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: grunts and also a few like um dough bleats as well,

487
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: so I'm mixing other deer sounds. I like to mix

488
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: in that grunting. I'm pretty heavy on the grunting. I

489
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: think that that works pretty well. One thing I found,

490
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: like compared to probably deer other places is mountaineer tend

491
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: to be pretty vocal, uh because it's a lower density,

492
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: so they're using their nose a lot. But they're also

493
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: when they're getting together. When you're seeing these deer interacting

494
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: with each other, they're they're grunting a lot. So I

495
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: do the same thing I do the grunts. I make

496
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: a lot of noise with big antlers, let that noise

497
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: travel and try to find the bucks that want to

498
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: come in and want to be aggressive. So timing is

499
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything as well. You want it

500
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: to be that time of the route where bucks are

501
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: fighting for does and you can gauge that based on

502
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: what you're seeing around you. And then the fifth thing

503
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: is I move. If I'm not seeing what I want,

504
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: then I moved to an area and keep doing stands.

505
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: I kind of take that approach just like I do

506
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: with l hunting. It's big country. I need to cover

507
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: that country. So I'm picking the highest percentage place where

508
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: I could call in a deer. I give it some time,

509
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe an hour or two, and if it doesn't pan out,

510
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: then I move and I moved to the next spot.

511
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: And then my best spots I do at the highest

512
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: productive time, so like mornings and evenings, and then I

513
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: go and once I've got dear to come into an area,

514
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: maybe I'll end up staying there, but until I find

515
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: exactly wearing the majority of the deer moving and concentrating.

516
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: Because it is such a big country, I move until

517
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: I find that. I sit down, I get up high,

518
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I do all the steps, do all the rattling, do everything,

519
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: and then move. If it's not productive, I'll go to

520
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: another spot. And once I find the spot where they

521
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: tend to be that day, then I'm going to kind

522
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: of focus in. Maybe I'll sit there all day. Maybe

523
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: I'll focus in on these couple of drainages here and there.

524
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll space out my calling a little bit, use

525
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: my eyes a little more, and be more patient. But

526
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: until that point, I'm moving a lot, trying to figure

527
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: out where the animals are and try to kind of pinpoint. Okay,

528
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: this is their movement pattern, this is kind of the

529
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: time of day they're hitting these spots. And now that

530
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: I found that spot, then I can kind of focus

531
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: in and really hunt it and be super effective that way.

532
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: I hope that inspires a few people to grab a

533
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: couple of shed antlers and head out into the mountains.

534
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I think that you'll find a lot of success. If

535
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: you haven't called before, definitely give it a try. You know,

536
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: western white tail hunting, I think it's overshadowed a lot

537
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: by elk and mule deer, and and I obviously understand

538
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: why sometimes when you've got these other species that you

539
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: grow up hunting, and you're just like, that's why people

540
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: head out west is to chase elk, to chase mule

541
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: there to chase wronghorn, because there's white tails everywhere else.

542
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: I think that because the white tail hunting gets overlooked

543
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: in in a lot of Western states. It's probably some

544
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: of the best kept secret. There is some great white

545
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: tail hunting around, especially when it comes to public land

546
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: white tails. I mean, I would say that probably Western

547
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: states have the best opportunity for some good public land bucks.

548
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: That then probably a lot of places on the east

549
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: eastern half of the US. So just something to think about.

550
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: I think next week we're gonna start diving back into

551
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: some elk and some other you know, just more western,

552
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: more western topics, but cannot disregard the white tail tactics.

553
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: So I'm sure a lot of you will be headed

554
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: out a lot of white tail tags because man wait,

555
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: tail tags are fairly easy to come by, their general

556
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: units for in a lot of states, there's leftover tags

557
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: for some of that kind of stuff if you're traveling

558
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: out of state, because it is the one species that

559
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: probably gets a little bit overlooked. So it's just something

560
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: to think about. If you're coming out west, you know,

561
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: maybe a western white tail hunt might be the first

562
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: step in your journey because it's something that you're familiar with,

563
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: but also you're you're hunting it in a completely new way.

564
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: So there's something that are the same and a lot

565
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: of things that are different. But it gets that kind

566
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: of big country experience under your belt. So when you

567
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: do draw a meal of your tag or and elk

568
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: tag or or have that opportunity, you've got a little

569
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: bit of experience as well. So just something to think about.

570
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: But I hope you enjoy it. Um, keep me posted, man,

571
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: I've been getting a ton of great photos, so much success,

572
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: some great stories of people, um, you know, listening to

573
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: this podcast finding some value in it and being successful.

574
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: A lot of people that have hunted elk for many

575
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: years and say, oh, check out this bowl. You know,

576
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: this is this tactic or whatever. I've been enjoying checking

577
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: that out. When I get a little bit of service

578
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: throughout the day or I come back at night. I've

579
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: got this sweet satellite internet now, so I can actually

580
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: like kind of stay in touch when i'm not um,

581
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: when it's like dark and I'm back at the cabin.

582
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: So keep sending those photos and all that stuff. I

583
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. Until next week. I'm just gonna say,

584
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: rat along, right along, man, Rat along,