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Speaker 1: All right, this starts a pretty regular one hour hit
Speaker 1: on Sundays between John Middlcoff, a former NFL scout with
Speaker 1: Philadelphia who has been obviously a regular on this podcast
Speaker 1: network since I think pretty much Day One Go Lows
Speaker 1: is golf podcast as well. So you know, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this that when I built a volume, one
Speaker 1: of the things I think about all the time is
Speaker 1: I think of it a little bit like a swimming area.
Speaker 1: Stay in your lane, Like there are things I know
Speaker 1: and things I don't. We have a series of people.
Speaker 1: You're a football guy and a golf guy, Like everybody
Speaker 1: has sort of a lane, and it's worked that way.
Speaker 1: And I've seen that most of my life in corporate
Speaker 1: America and in corporate America. When you have problems is
Speaker 1: when people think you know, a sales guy suddenly comes
Speaker 1: up and wants to talk to me about content. ESPN
Speaker 1: was famous for that. Here, I've got a segment I
Speaker 1: think could work well for a car dealership, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll create segments. If you can sell them, you sell them.
Speaker 1: But iHeart Fox has never asked me to do a
Speaker 1: segment because they found a sponsor. Like, that's not the
Speaker 1: way it works. It shouldn't work that way. So Belichick,
Speaker 1: prime example, got into trouble. He took over personnel. Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and Seattle got into trouble. He and John Snyder.
Speaker 1: Once John Snyder the last couple of years took over personnel.
Speaker 1: Seahawks had back to back great drafts. They had several
Speaker 1: where Pete had influence where they just kept missing on
Speaker 1: first round picks. Rashad Penny, the running back, is a
Speaker 1: great example where like everything was a reach. So when
Speaker 1: the players vote in the NFL Top one hundred, it's illuminating.
Speaker 1: It lets you look into what matters to players. They
Speaker 1: love athleticism. Lamar Jackson is the voted the number one
Speaker 1: quarterback over Patrick Mahomes because he's viewed as hyper athletic.
Speaker 1: This is the NBA players a majority thinking Westbrook's better
Speaker 1: than Steph Curry, despite the fact they're both guards. One
Speaker 1: can't shoot and has bad hands, like the two most
Speaker 1: important things for a guard, like.
Speaker 3: Well, who likes him?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Jokic wants Russell Westbrook on his teams, like what are
Speaker 3: we doing?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? So it's interesting. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem. I love Lamar. He's not Patrick Mahomes. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting they have Dak Prescott ahead of Matt Stafford
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow. There is not that's not nobody thinks
Speaker 1: that like in the league when you talk to personnel people.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dak Struggles were the best offensive line for
Speaker 1: years in football to win a single playoff game. Burle
Speaker 1: got to the Super Bowl with an egregiously bad offensive line.
Speaker 1: So in the days that you were working for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: I look at the top one hundred. I'm not offended
Speaker 1: by it, but it illuminates how players view the world.
Speaker 1: Hyper Athleticism is viewed on a grand scale for players.
Speaker 3: I just think the way personnel departments and coaches work
Speaker 3: in the NBA. If the Warriors are going to do
Speaker 3: something big. They talk with Steph Curry. Obviously, Lebron James
Speaker 3: has a huge hand in personnel and sometimes it works,
Speaker 3: sometimes it doesn't, but you got to keep him happy.
Speaker 3: The most famous dynasty of my life, the Patriots never
Speaker 3: asked Tom Brady's opinion one time. Now, it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: they shouldn't have it, but they never never even cross
Speaker 3: Bill's mind. Andy is not asking Patrick Mahomes, you know
Speaker 3: his for his draft board, right or in free agency. Now,
Speaker 3: when a player plays somebody, if you play Lamar Jackson
Speaker 3: and he kicks your ass and you go, that was
Speaker 3: really good? Like that, there's something to be said. But
Speaker 3: in the NFL, you don't play every team. So in
Speaker 3: the NFC, only four teams in the NFC played the
Speaker 3: Ravens last year, right, It rotates every four years, So
Speaker 3: half the league is not even playing this player. And
Speaker 3: then there are teams in the AFC that aren't playing
Speaker 3: them either. Colin this ranking, which I honestly have to
Speaker 3: fake even caring about, I do not care about this,
Speaker 3: and the Madden rankings which had Lamar and Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: right here, Josh Allen is a better player than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: He's a better player. Yes, the Chiefs feared Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: They just played him both back to back playoffs on
Speaker 3: the road. They feared Josh Allen. They were excited to
Speaker 3: play Lamar. Again, that's not saying that Lamar's not good.
Speaker 3: They knew they could handle Lamar. Josh Allen has kind
Speaker 3: of owned them. This is in the playoffs. The reason
Speaker 3: the Bills haven't won was Sean McDermott the defense, not Josh.
Speaker 3: To me, there is a gap again, Lamar's regular season
Speaker 3: in the playoffs hasn't been remotely the same. No, no,
Speaker 3: and that's a big problem for a team that at
Speaker 3: this point in time, Like we're not judging the Ravens
Speaker 3: on twelve wins, thirteen wins, like who cares? Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I expect the Ravens to be in the playoffs. He's
Speaker 3: getting judged on those couple of games, just like Mahomes.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing with Josh. He hasn't won, but
Speaker 3: I think we all go not totally his fault, right.
Speaker 3: They were Peyton manning games early when I remember being
Speaker 3: in like early in college in high school, and I
Speaker 3: love Peyton, and I was like, this doesn't look like
Speaker 3: the same guy I have just watched for sixteen weeks
Speaker 3: and that's how Lamar felt. In the big games were Mahomes.
Speaker 3: He's like he's like a chameleon. He's morphed. He was
Speaker 3: like one point in time he was throwing like Dan Marino.
Speaker 3: Now he's like became a game manager this year because
Speaker 3: of his team. It's like he can do it all.
Speaker 1: Do you know the one position that they have asked Mahomes'
Speaker 1: opinion in the draft. It's the one position Kansas City
Speaker 1: drafts poorly, wide receiver. So they have asked Mahomes from
Speaker 1: time to time for an opinion on college receivers. And
Speaker 1: I imagine they listened to him if they asked at
Speaker 1: Veitch drafts. Everything great except wide receiver. And my take
Speaker 1: is he has an influence if you ask, because I
Speaker 1: heard they have asked mahomes opinion on wide receivers. Well,
Speaker 1: if you ask his opinion, he says, I like this guy,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna avoid that guy. If he's available, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna And it's the one position where they've been
Speaker 1: really immature. Tony immature, Rashi Rice immature, Xavier Worthy, I
Speaker 1: think that's his name out of Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: I mean he's one hundred and sixty pounds. I mean
Speaker 1: you can jam him up on the line. He'll make
Speaker 1: spectacular plays.
Speaker 3: But he's pretty he's pretty talented.
Speaker 1: No, no, he is, I'm not disputing that. But there's also
Speaker 1: a video all over practice of him getting tossed around
Speaker 1: like a crewton and a salad bowl, just getting thrown
Speaker 1: all over the field.
Speaker 3: Deshaun Wade a hundred. Now, DeShawn was more talented I
Speaker 3: think than this player. He went in the second round
Speaker 3: because there were a ton of question marks when you
Speaker 3: have the elite speed. Now, Deshaun was a great route runner.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people view Xavier Worthy as
Speaker 3: more than just a go route guy if he can
Speaker 3: do everything else. Andy has a soft spot for guys
Speaker 3: with a little trouble, Like Andy's not afraid of those.
Speaker 3: Bill just wants wants to avoid that at all costs.
Speaker 3: For the most part, Andy kind of embraces it. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying like, and that's the Tonys even Tyreek
Speaker 3: early on, Kelsey was a character guy coming out of
Speaker 3: high school. So I think Andy feels pretty comfortable that
Speaker 3: he can mold that. But overall, the quarterback ranking. You
Speaker 3: can not have an NFL quarterback ranking and not have
Speaker 3: Josh Allen second. And I take you seriously, you can't
Speaker 3: do it. I think he's the second best quarterback and honestly,
Speaker 3: like I have more faith in him winning. It's on
Speaker 3: the organization. But because I've seen him be awesome in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. I mean, say what you want about you
Speaker 3: know the Bengals, who the owner's been cheap, they have
Speaker 3: proven over the last twenty years. They've had moments with
Speaker 3: Marvin Lewis and Carson Amerson, really good teams with Marvin
Speaker 3: Lewis and the Andy Dalton teams, like they can build
Speaker 3: a team. Joe Burrow benefited two years ago. Their team
Speaker 3: was talented.
Speaker 1: No, I mean Cincinnati is like the Chargers. They've gotten
Speaker 1: quarterback right a lot. The Chargers have gone fouts, Breeze, rivers, Herbert.
Speaker 1: I mean, go back to boom Kenny Anderson. Yeah he
Speaker 1: was Cincinnati Kenny Anderson, boomera in the playoffs. Yeah, Kenny Anderson,
Speaker 1: Boomerasias and Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: They've they've and.
Speaker 1: Those two franchises will drive you nuts, but they've gotten
Speaker 1: quarterback right, more than they've missed.
Speaker 3: How about even last year when Burrow goes down, what's
Speaker 3: Jake Browning quarterback? All of a sudden, Jake Browning, who
Speaker 3: I watched in college. I said, this guy couldn't plan,
Speaker 3: and you're watching him last year. God, this guy's not bad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they develop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll throw this out to you. So I
Speaker 1: didn't make a big deal out of it. I went
Speaker 1: to Twitter. So I was doing a show last week
Speaker 1: and I got a call from a very through the years,
Speaker 1: an exceptional source like ten for ten, a former player
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he said, next forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: seventy two hours, keep your eye on Brandon Ayuk. He's
Speaker 1: going to sign a deal. So I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I just put it on Twitter. I said, hey, keep
Speaker 1: your eyes out for Brandon Ayu. Not in the moment,
Speaker 1: but next two to three days. Well, nothing has transpired.
Speaker 1: So and it's funny because I've said this before. I
Speaker 1: didn't second source it. That's why I didn't make it
Speaker 1: into a big topic. I put it on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: had one source. I tried to get a second but
Speaker 1: it was somebody that through the years has been just
Speaker 1: tremendously accurate for me, and I don't hear from often,
Speaker 1: but he's led me in the right direction virtually every time.
Speaker 1: So I haven't talked to him yet, so I'm kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for it. But give me an update. Because
Speaker 1: they do have cap space. It's fascinating for all the
Speaker 1: stars they have because they're paying pretty You know what
Speaker 1: a cashier makes at costco. I mean he makes nothing
Speaker 1: by NFL relevant relative to NFL standards. Where are you
Speaker 1: on IU? Their cap space and the rumors you hear.
Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, Trent Williams is more pressing than me,
Speaker 3: Like you had to choose one one guy, No, not there.
Speaker 3: He not only is he not there, He's thirty five
Speaker 3: years old, He's made a ton of money in his career.
Speaker 3: In the back of your mind, what if he just
Speaker 3: called and said, you know, actually I've done enough. We've
Speaker 3: had enough success. I know I never won a super Bowl,
Speaker 3: but my body, I'm just kind of already. That has
Speaker 3: to terrify them. So to me, that is priority. Like
Speaker 3: the moment Trent Williams did not show up, it went
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk, You're no longer priority number one, and he
Speaker 3: already was really emotional like, I don't think Trent's that
Speaker 3: emotional about this. It's like, hey, guys, we all agree
Speaker 3: I'm the best left tackle. All these guys are now
Speaker 3: getting twenty eight twenty nine million dollars, that's what I need.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like what McCaffrey did right this offseason, Like, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make a big stink of this,
Speaker 3: but I'm no longer playing for ten to eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3: I'm not asking for forty a year, but we better
Speaker 3: get this number round twenty thing without you guy. I
Speaker 3: just think it's really complicated because he won. He's very emotional.
Speaker 3: I give him credit for showing up. Yeah, Kyle's good
Speaker 3: at this. Kyle often goes like, listen, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff flying around on the outside. I know these
Speaker 3: guys really well. Actually, my offensive guys, I'm very close
Speaker 3: with them. I played wide receivers. They know how much
Speaker 3: passionate I am about that position. I've been around these
Speaker 3: guys from day one. I'm the only coach they've ever
Speaker 3: had here, so I in a weird way, the Niners
Speaker 3: got more shit going on than like the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're just kind of numb to it, and I
Speaker 3: think this speaks to you know, John Lynch, he's a
Speaker 3: pretty rare operator and one he's not your typical GM.
Speaker 3: He was already rich when he took the job, and
Speaker 3: he's a natural leader. But these are not easy situations.
Speaker 3: And this goes back to you know, Jerry rides it
Speaker 3: out and then ultimately I'll just pay my own guy
Speaker 3: the most. Whatever. R the Niners in Parrague, Jed's money
Speaker 3: guy who has led them. They bought a team over
Speaker 3: in Europe and soccer they have been I mean, the
Speaker 3: Levice Stadium changed the wealth of that family. Like Eddie
Speaker 3: de Bartolow was rich and his family was, but the
Speaker 3: Yorks were not on the same level and they were
Speaker 3: not going to be able to sustain in Candlestick and
Speaker 3: that thing changed everything. But they don't just hand you
Speaker 3: this is George Steinbrenner, here's three hundred million dollars for
Speaker 3: you know, some star player. That's not the way. Look
Speaker 3: at last year with Nick Bosa.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: They just don't operate that way. And listen, they take
Speaker 3: some shit, and rightfully so, because it goes I understand
Speaker 3: if you're willing to, like, okay, do you have a
Speaker 3: number where you're like, Okay, we're just not going to
Speaker 3: get a deal done, which I don't think they do.
Speaker 3: So are you just listen? I've been to going to
Speaker 3: these practice for years. Trent Williams is on a pretty
Speaker 3: cruise control training camp, like this ain't Junction Boys Alabama
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty for him. But do you want him showing
Speaker 3: up week you know, ten days before week one that
Speaker 3: has pulling a hammy or something written all over. I
Speaker 3: don't care what he's doing. He's still in pads out
Speaker 3: there moving around and the ayuk thing, like how does
Speaker 3: he he can work out all he wants with the
Speaker 3: trainers and stuff in the weight room. It's just not
Speaker 3: the same and you need I mean, these are two
Speaker 3: of their high like they're probably the Chiefs to me,
Speaker 3: are the only team that can really go Super Bowl
Speaker 3: or bus. It was a disappointment, But I do think
Speaker 3: there's a group of three or four teams, obviously the
Speaker 3: Bills and the Ravens with Lamar and Josh, and probably
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers that anything less than a Super
Speaker 3: Bowl berth feels like a devastating blow. And so to me,
Speaker 3: if you're the forty nine Ers, like the number is
Speaker 3: not going to come back to you. He's not just
Speaker 3: all of a sudden go like, hey, I turned twenty
Speaker 3: six million dollars what three months ago? But now more
Speaker 3: guys have gotten paid. Now I'm good with it, but
Speaker 3: I also get the Niner spot, like we don't think
Speaker 3: you're as good as DJ Moore. We just don't think
Speaker 3: you're that good. That's right, And that's where I have
Speaker 3: a hard time with NFL markets and stuff like whatever
Speaker 3: happened to this is what we think you're worth. And
Speaker 3: you're still under contract. This is not like you're just
Speaker 3: some free agent out there. So do you want to
Speaker 3: play on fourteen million or do you want to take
Speaker 3: our seventy five million dollars guaranteed? Historically the guy usually cracks,
Speaker 3: but it does feel And I had Jake Rosenberg, who
Speaker 3: was a longtime contract negotiator for the Eagles, on the
Speaker 3: pod last week and he said, like, let's face it,
Speaker 3: these player empowerment in the NFL. It's not the NBA,
Speaker 3: but it's definitely amped up a little bit. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you see it all around the league. These guys are like,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing well shit.
Speaker 1: And it's also a lot with Parcels. No, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of wide receivers who have always been the NBA players.
Speaker 1: They're the most talented athletes. It's sort of an independent position.
Speaker 1: You break the huddle first, you go up the sideline,
Speaker 1: Throw me the ball when I'm not open. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've argued this, Tyreek Hill just got a new three
Speaker 1: year deal. No new year's outed, just pay raise. And
Speaker 1: I've argued this, and this is like matter of fact.
Speaker 1: Take your feelings out of it. The Chiefs have won
Speaker 1: back to back Super Bowls without Tyreek Hill. Fact, and
Speaker 1: I've said this about Tyreek Hill. I'm not a believer
Speaker 1: at all in dominant number one receivers, especially with a
Speaker 1: Brock Purty, because Brock Purdy is not getting paid. If
Speaker 1: you have a star receiver getting paid a lot, you
Speaker 1: do have there's sort of a psychology like I got
Speaker 1: to feed this guy. This guy's got to eat. I
Speaker 1: remember Dak broke into the league with Dez Bryant left,
Speaker 1: and you lose that nine touchdowns a year, but Dak spread.
Speaker 1: Dak to grow, had to spread the ball around and
Speaker 1: see the entire field. And I do think with Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Tyreek it became sort of a he's always open
Speaker 1: and it's forced over the last few years, Yes, but
Speaker 1: it has forced Mahomes to throw underneath, to take what
Speaker 1: the defense gives you. I think Mahomes has actually all argued,
Speaker 1: has grown as a quarterback without Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: made his job much easier and he's obviously naturally gifted.
Speaker 1: So if you want a young quarterback to grow, everybody's
Speaker 1: fearful of Stefan Diggs and Josh Allen, he's still a
Speaker 1: little bit in the growing curve where he's got to
Speaker 1: take more of what the defense gives him. So that's
Speaker 1: my knock on Tyreek Hill. Yes, he's fast, but he's
Speaker 1: a deep threat with a quarterback with a big deep
Speaker 1: threat arm, So he's flashy, he's exciting. I could think
Speaker 1: of ten quarterbacks in the league where Tyreek Hill would
Speaker 1: be a better fit than Tua and I don't. And
Speaker 1: I again, I think he's a terrific player. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's the most the best player number one like
Speaker 1: the players do in the league, but I think he's very,
Speaker 1: very valuable. But I am not a believer in this.
Speaker 1: If you're asking me the Niners, I think their DNA
Speaker 1: is Shanahan, Trent Williams, Deebo and McCaffrey and Kittle somewhat.
Speaker 1: I think Ayuk's just really talented. I think there's this
Speaker 1: bubble now with wide receivers. Where show me all the
Speaker 1: playoff wins for Tyreek and Justin Jefferson and Devonte Adams.
Speaker 3: Where are they well with Tyreek? I do think the
Speaker 3: Dolphins he kind of had him by the balls because,
Speaker 3: like you said, he would be better off with a
Speaker 3: bigger arm quarterback. We've seen him, yes, no question that
Speaker 3: they can't even dream of functioning without him and Waddle.
Speaker 3: I mean when those guys go down, they look differently,
Speaker 3: and that the whole Once you doubled down on Tua,
Speaker 3: you can't get rid of him or it will look
Speaker 3: really bad. You want to make it look good. I
Speaker 3: do think the forty nine ers already kind of showed
Speaker 3: their hands. It was like, ah, they got some needs.
Speaker 3: You know, Trent Williams getting older, you know, you can
Speaker 3: always go defense. And they took a wide receiver at
Speaker 3: the end of the first round. And now big picture,
Speaker 3: maybe they already thought that, hey we get Auk. That's
Speaker 3: Debo because he's more of an over the middle, he
Speaker 3: could break tackles. He's what Kyle likes. And ultimately, you
Speaker 3: can't have like this is not sustainable for the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers. Now. Part of it is that guys are
Speaker 3: older too. But in the next two years, all these
Speaker 3: guys are not going to be on the team. And
Speaker 3: this is what the Chiefs did. Listen Beach, It's an
Speaker 3: all time move trading him. What were the chief last
Speaker 3: year a defensive team? How are they a defensive team? Well,
Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie became a superstar. Karloscis, they were able to
Speaker 3: invest in Chris Jones. Now they had less on offense,
Speaker 3: but their quarterback had become like Tom Brady in terms
Speaker 3: of game management, and their defense was so great they
Speaker 3: felt comfortable winning twenty to seventeen or seventeen to thirteen.
Speaker 3: And the forty nine ers are going to have to
Speaker 3: pivot off Kittle, Deebo. One of these guys is not
Speaker 3: going to be there. I trust thirty five, thirty six
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 1: I said this before. I have the Rams running the division.
Speaker 1: I thought they peaked last year. I think they're going through.
Speaker 1: I think it's noise.
Speaker 3: Those those guys are still on the team though, That's
Speaker 3: what I would say, though those guys are still now
Speaker 3: the Rams are still dependent on young players. Kyle's dominated him.
Speaker 3: To me, there's questions. I know Perdy got hurt in
Speaker 3: the playoff game, but for the most part, like Stafford's health,
Speaker 3: given the way he plays, given his fearlessness and his
Speaker 3: age when he's I was thinking about this the other
Speaker 3: day because I want to do something I haven't quite
Speaker 3: figured out what to call it, but some ranking of
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, and I got to like five and six,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I haven't even thought about Stafford, and
Speaker 3: he's better than everyone I'm about to name, Like his
Speaker 3: high end it is through the room. Deniable's Josh Allen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, and he played like that down the stretch.
Speaker 3: It's why he took a team full of kids, with
Speaker 3: Cooper Cupp being a shell of himself, toe to toe
Speaker 3: with the Lions who had the Niners on the ropes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think both those teams are locked playoff teams.
Speaker 3: But the Rams had to pivot and the Niners are
Speaker 3: going to have to pivot over the next eighteen months
Speaker 3: with younger players a lot like the Chiefs did, especially
Speaker 3: once you pay the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was thinking about you know, I've I've
Speaker 1: learned something through the years with men, and it's a
Speaker 1: big chunk of men. Forty percent of men. Forty percent
Speaker 1: of people never leave the area code they grow up in.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just made a pivot a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. You're like, I'm going to Arizona. I can't
Speaker 1: the San Francisco's outrageous, and you're I think you're a
Speaker 1: happier guy. Congratulations. Now as your fiance, Uh, when is
Speaker 1: the date?
Speaker 3: I think it was easier to move. I had lived
Speaker 3: in Philly, I had lived in Kisas City for six months.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, you experience whether you're not as
Speaker 3: is fearful of anything. The date March eight. Keep an
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Speaker 1: I will be available.
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Speaker 1: So I was thinking like, and I'm not. It's just
Speaker 1: people are different and I'm not traditional. So I can
Speaker 1: move my wife's the same way we can move on
Speaker 1: a dime. And the kickoff rules. It's quirky looking, but
Speaker 1: just the new kickoff rules. Think about it in terms
Speaker 1: of when they changed the pat it became a real play,
Speaker 1: one of those your kicker misses one about every third
Speaker 1: week unless you have the Unless you have the Bravence kicker.
Speaker 1: So seven of eight kicks were returned in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game. Seventy three percent of kicks last year
Speaker 1: went through the m zone or touchbacks. You get an
Speaker 1: extra play about six to seven times a game. There
Speaker 1: were only like four balls kickoffs taken for touchdowns last year.
Speaker 1: It almost never happens, don't Yeah, I mean like it
Speaker 1: may happen. It basically in the NFL happens every six weeks.
Speaker 1: It happens once. You don't even get that many. I mean,
Speaker 1: if a guy gets a midfield or the other team's forty,
Speaker 1: it's considered a huge return. So the NFL basically said,
Speaker 1: we just want more plays. So I said this on
Speaker 1: the air, is that the NFL constantly adjusts Baseball did
Speaker 1: when it had to. I mean, Fox basically went to
Speaker 1: Baseball and said, we're not really interested in signing you
Speaker 1: to another deal. Speed the game up. So Fox literally
Speaker 1: told him how to tweak their schedule, speed the game up. ESPN,
Speaker 1: by the way, has no interest from what I've heard
Speaker 1: in resigning baseball Lachlan Murdoch, it's pretty clear in our building,
Speaker 1: it's not like baseball's a priority. Baseball has changed when
Speaker 1: it's fundamentally had to, or networks just don't want to
Speaker 1: do business with them, and they have sped the game up.
Speaker 1: But it's a different time, and it does still feel
Speaker 1: like it lacks juice and energy and pacing. So but
Speaker 1: the NFL in a leadership role. I always said this
Speaker 1: about Tiger Woods, number one golfer in the world, number
Speaker 1: one and change clubs. Oprah Winfrey had the number one
Speaker 1: ratings and she literally changed her show to more of
Speaker 1: an ethereal, you know, quality of life, elevation of life show.
Speaker 1: She was number one. Tiger and Oprah changed. NFL does
Speaker 1: this number one pulling a way and makes changes. That's
Speaker 1: different from somebody going, John, if you don't quit smoking,
Speaker 1: you die. I'm not going to give you a ton
Speaker 1: of credit for quitting when the option is you're dead
Speaker 1: if you don't start exercising and stop smoking. So baseball
Speaker 1: is a little bit like change or we're just not
Speaker 1: interested in re signing you to long term deals. So
Speaker 1: I guess my point is on the preseason thing. People
Speaker 1: can fight it. But John, I watched it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's I It was the first time I can remember
Speaker 1: watching every kickoff.
Speaker 3: It was fascinating. I'm totally behind doing out with the
Speaker 3: old because it was not working, but I watched. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of sick. I probably watch a coach press
Speaker 3: conference a day different. You know. Throughout the league, I
Speaker 3: ran into Sean Payton's yesterday. Because you get the right coaches,
Speaker 3: they're giving you nuggets left and.
Speaker 1: Right, all sorts of nuggets.
Speaker 3: And I saw this a couple of weeks ago aheadline
Speaker 3: that the Packers special teams coach Rich Pasacia, probably the
Speaker 3: number one heralded special teams coach in the league, said
Speaker 3: the league might change things throughout the preseason. Sean Payton
Speaker 3: doubled down on that. So I think they've told everyone
Speaker 3: and this is where they deserve credit. We did this,
Speaker 3: but we are not afraid to tweak it before week
Speaker 3: one if we see different things. Because Sean Payton mentioned this,
Speaker 3: and I do agree, there's a lot of moving parts
Speaker 3: with where the ball could end up. And he's like,
Speaker 3: it's hard to follow. It's hard for us the coaches.
Speaker 3: It took us a while. The fans cannot follow this,
Speaker 3: like if one goes out of bounds, if one goes
Speaker 3: through the end zone, and obviously if you don't get
Speaker 3: it to the front square. There are different yard lines.
Speaker 3: I think one's twenty five, one's thirty, and one's forty
Speaker 3: might be thirty five. He's like, it's too confusing. His
Speaker 3: Sean Payton's pushback was I'm totally cool with this change
Speaker 3: of the formation, but just have one or the other right.
Speaker 3: If you kick it out of the end zone or
Speaker 3: kick it out of bounds, it starts at the forty
Speaker 3: and if you kick it, if you don't kick it
Speaker 3: to the square, started at the twenty. But you can't
Speaker 3: have too many complications, and I agreed with that. The
Speaker 3: one thing I think again, it was preseason game, the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame game. You could even have that in
Speaker 3: his own category, like there's preseason, then there's whatever the
Speaker 3: hell that is. I know it's rained out or whatever,
Speaker 3: but I meet the people playing. I thought there would
Speaker 3: be more just open lanes and I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: take too much away. It felt like the offensive players
Speaker 3: because this guy gets a running start five yards, I
Speaker 3: do have to back up immediately, and I in the
Speaker 3: old rule I had more space so I could back
Speaker 3: up and then attack. There's not really that much space,
Speaker 3: and there were a couple of times when everyone just
Speaker 3: went by him and the offensive guy was swallowed. So
Speaker 3: and I assume the opposite. I was like, you're only
Speaker 3: gonna have to make a guy or two miss. It's
Speaker 3: why like Deebo Samuel's like I want in because in
Speaker 3: theory you think it's gonna be easy, but then you
Speaker 3: watch it in practice, you're like, maybe it's not gonna
Speaker 3: be as I would say offensive as you it's gonna
Speaker 3: be harder than and who knows, maybe we'll see all
Speaker 3: sorts of stuff. But Sean Payton said this, He's like,
Speaker 3: if the average if you're kicking in the square and
Speaker 3: the average where they end up with the ball is
Speaker 3: at the thirty eight yard line, over like a two
Speaker 3: or three week period, every coach is going to kick
Speaker 3: it in the end zone, start at the thirty. Right,
Speaker 3: we'll just play the numbers, which would be bad, which
Speaker 3: would negate everything they're trying to do. And the league
Speaker 3: obviously understands this, so they're trying to They want it
Speaker 3: to be a play, right, they want it to be
Speaker 3: a you know what I think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I think is the disadvantage for
Speaker 1: the return team. So in the old kickoff, you know
Speaker 1: you've got rookies on that kickoff team, you got third
Speaker 1: string guys, undisciplined get out of their lane. So you
Speaker 1: would see guys get out of their lane over the course.
Speaker 1: This is too short of a run up. So nobody
Speaker 1: gets out of their lane. It's a much more disciplined
Speaker 1: kickoff team. So when I watch that, I'm like, there
Speaker 1: are no openings you have to make it like, like, no,
Speaker 1: you don't have enough time to screw it up. You
Speaker 1: really don't have enough time to Some of these rookies
Speaker 1: are running full speed, they get out of their lane,
Speaker 1: and you'll and whenever you see a kickoff return for
Speaker 1: a touchdown, you look at the replayer, like Jesus, you
Speaker 1: had two guys that were twelve yards out of their lane.
Speaker 3: It's like the dB that dies for a pick or
Speaker 3: the basketball player that dies for the steel. You're like,
Speaker 3: you didn't need to do that now. Now you don't
Speaker 3: even have time to do that, like you say, because
Speaker 3: you're only taking six seven steps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so everybody stays in their lane. So my take
Speaker 1: is it's you can play younger players and not really
Speaker 1: worry about it. They get onya. Everybody's where they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be. And but it is. This is something I've
Speaker 1: said for years. There's an old saying basketball thinks about
Speaker 1: when it comes to change, Basketball thinks about it first.
Speaker 1: The NFL gets it right, and baseball makes the most
Speaker 1: money off it, and so baseball's always been money obsessed,
Speaker 1: like that's all they care about, the ownership, just making money.
Speaker 1: So for them, you know, any change is something that
Speaker 1: they don't want to, you know. I mean, obviously baseball
Speaker 1: with the iPhone should take off forty games per team,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty games, end the season in seriously
Speaker 1: last week of July and be done by September. Twentieth.
Speaker 1: Season over before the NFL gets rolling. It's over now
Speaker 1: between college the Big Ten explosion in the SEC, adding
Speaker 1: Texas Oklahoma with the NFL. If you don't have the
Speaker 1: right October matchup, that shit's over. Like a usc is
Speaker 1: opening with LSU and Michigan, I'm in. I'm out of baseball,
Speaker 1: unless it's the Phillies, Dodgers, Yankees, I'm done. So baseball
Speaker 1: has always been one of those sports where they will
Speaker 1: vary slowly make change. And I think what's happened in
Speaker 1: the last several years the networks like Fox in the
Speaker 1: FPN have come up and said, guys, you know these games.
Speaker 1: They're creating, these all Star games, the Game in the Cornfield.
Speaker 1: They're fascinating games. They're events which you know, Philadelphia Phillies
Speaker 1: going to London. Baseball would have never done that on
Speaker 1: their own. They were basically told, guys, you got to
Speaker 1: get some ratings here in the regular season. So when
Speaker 1: people confuse the two football in a power position, and
Speaker 1: I love this is just rolling the dice constantly and
Speaker 1: I love it well.
Speaker 3: And when they screw up, they'll change. Like they remember
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, Belichick's whole thing was we
Speaker 3: should be able to challenge every play. They didn't quite
Speaker 3: give them that, but they challenge past interference. Clearly it
Speaker 3: wasn't working well, and they say we're canceling this. So like,
Speaker 3: if this kickoff rule is just an utter disaster, which
Speaker 3: I don't think it will be, but just in the
Speaker 3: hypothetical world it was, they would pivot to do something
Speaker 3: else and that could be like Week three. I mean,
Speaker 3: they are not afraid to make hardcore changes, but I
Speaker 3: was pretty adamant in my mind, like I think we're
Speaker 3: gonna see a ton of touchdowns, and then watching it,
Speaker 3: I understand it's Houston and the Bears four string players,
Speaker 3: but like, maybe it's actually going to be more difficult
Speaker 3: and maybe you will be less inclined if the defenders
Speaker 3: are able to break free pretty consistently to put a
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley Christian mcaffick, because my thought was, like, put
Speaker 3: one of those guys back there. It's much more like
Speaker 3: a normal play. It'll just speak like a one on one.
Speaker 3: You'll get tackled. But I wonder if it actually might
Speaker 3: be more violent, so you're more likely to put your
Speaker 3: backup running back or backup safety that has some moves
Speaker 3: like if this guy gets hurt, whatever, I am not
Speaker 3: risking Deebo Samuel back there on a four on one
Speaker 3: in the corner and have him get destroyed.
Speaker 1: So a former NFL quarterback texted me after the draft
Speaker 1: and I wrote this note down and I was, I
Speaker 1: have notepads all over my house and I found this
Speaker 1: the other day and I didn't bring it up, and
Speaker 1: it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady has some draft takes.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there, but he said, this
Speaker 1: is not a small thing. Caleb Williams defensive coach, Jaden
Speaker 1: Daniels defensive coach, Drake May defensive coach, rookie, he said,
Speaker 1: and Michael Pennix in Atlanta backup defensive coach. He said,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy with
Speaker 1: really really bright offensive coaches in one year. If we
Speaker 1: don't look up and go, those are the best two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And this quarterback said, man, when you come into this league,
Speaker 1: and this quarterback spoke from experience, he goes, I had
Speaker 1: a defensive coach first, it's a different language. He said,
Speaker 1: bow Knicks and JJ McCarthy are getting a master class
Speaker 1: level coaching experience that Pennix isn't getting with a coordinator
Speaker 1: Caleb's not getting, he said. This guy said, it's just
Speaker 1: he goes, and he said this, he goes. People bang
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson for not winning playoff games.
Speaker 1: He said, if you gave Josh Allen to Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: do you think he'd have a super Bowl? And his
Speaker 1: thing was, of course he would. So it's just interesting
Speaker 1: is that we every year in this draft, John, there's
Speaker 1: a quarterback drafted below the star. Very rarely is the
Speaker 1: first quarterback taken the guy c J. Stroud two Bryce YOUMP.
Speaker 1: So I'm not just saying now, c J. Stroud got
Speaker 1: a great coach, a great coordinator, Tank Dell Nico Collins.
Speaker 1: They hit on draft picks. But your take on because
Speaker 1: Kevin o' connell is highly respected. I mean, the tall
Speaker 1: Sean McVay. Sean Payton, I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: with Sean. Shawn is way too smart to be broadcasting.
Speaker 1: He has to be coaching. I think the best over
Speaker 1: bet in the league is Bnecks at five and a half.
Speaker 1: Like the old line's pretty good. If the Franklin kid
Speaker 1: from Oregon works with Mims and Courtland Sutton, they have
Speaker 1: workable tight ends two backs. I think they're capable. What
Speaker 1: do you make of that that the first year rookie quarterback,
Speaker 1: the two with offensive coaches who are deeper in the
Speaker 1: draft could be the hits.
Speaker 3: Well, as I'm watching the Sean Payton prescoonference on my
Speaker 3: iPhone at ten thirty at night in my bed next
Speaker 3: to my future wife, she's probably thinking I'm a nut.
Speaker 3: He mentioned the name multiple times in Drew Brees and
Speaker 3: obviously getting rid of the football is a big deal.
Speaker 3: And the other thing he hammered home is like people
Speaker 3: act like I just want to dink and dunk, like
Speaker 3: that's the offense. No, we want to push the ball
Speaker 3: down the field and that is the game plan. So
Speaker 3: I think the way that he talked about this guy
Speaker 3: in the press conference was a lot of love. I
Speaker 3: think he is really really high well. I think he
Speaker 3: liked his like his rookie class. The way he was talking,
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty excited about his team. This did
Speaker 3: not feel like, you know, I think a younger Sean
Speaker 3: Bill Parcells guy. If he's not happy, you can feel it.
Speaker 3: He looked pretty excited with the group he has. Doesn't
Speaker 3: mean they're gonna win eleven games. I'm kind of out
Speaker 3: on Washington this year. Not because I don't think Jayden
Speaker 3: Daniels isn't really talented, but they're not that good. They
Speaker 3: haven't been. They got rid of multiple d linemen. Now
Speaker 3: you could say Chase Young's a little overrated, Monte Sweat
Speaker 3: is not. So they lose talent there. They just are
Speaker 3: not as talented as obviously the Eagles are the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: That division's hard. The Giants have some players, and day
Speaker 3: Ball you have like he has been coaching. Now he's
Speaker 3: calling the offense. I could see the Washingt just having
Speaker 3: a rough season, and that's where you know big. Of
Speaker 3: course they should they've been bad. They're resetting. But when
Speaker 3: you're a quarterback and you don't have your play caller
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, there's are offensive play
Speaker 3: caller good enough, Cliff Kingsbury. You see a lot with
Speaker 3: defensive guys they start getting pressure. Well who they point
Speaker 3: the finger at the offensive play caller when shit goes wrong,
Speaker 3: it goes to Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid or Sean
Speaker 3: Payton or Kyle Shanahan and they go, we'll fix it,
Speaker 3: and you go, yeah, they will, They'll figure it out.
Speaker 3: And that's where it gets difficult. I mean New England
Speaker 3: they feel a little bit like a shit show right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, no team in the league has spend less cash.
Speaker 3: I've read this and heard people say this over the
Speaker 3: last decade than them. I mean that's that speaks one
Speaker 3: to the brilliance of Tom Brady and Belichick building a team.
Speaker 3: But also I think there's a knock on the craft
Speaker 3: can be a little cheap. They like to do the
Speaker 3: most with the least amount, where I think a lot
Speaker 3: of teams, like the Niners of the cowb they'll spend
Speaker 3: whatever it takes to try to win. Like he's always
Speaker 3: it wasn't just Belichick being cheap, you know, it felt
Speaker 3: like could kind of a mandate you have this rookie
Speaker 3: head coach who's not that far removed from being a player.
Speaker 3: You got this defensive star player who's underpaid that they
Speaker 3: had a kick out of practice. It's getting weird. Diana
Speaker 3: Russini says, you know they've made an offer to Matt
Speaker 3: Judon that he's saying bullshit. It's just there's a lot
Speaker 3: going on the quarterback situation. They have this major project.
Speaker 3: We've seen a million times what history doesn't repeat itself,
Speaker 3: but it often rhymes. I've seen Jacoby Brissett in a
Speaker 3: scenario on a bad team thirty times in my life.
Speaker 3: We know exactly how this goes. The record's terrible before
Speaker 3: Halloween right around there, it's like, we can't take this anymore.
Speaker 3: Throw the kid in. The team's awful, and it can
Speaker 3: Jared Goff go the wrong way and they got lucky.
Speaker 3: McVeigh came in the next year and saved everything. But
Speaker 3: it goes the wrong way with a situation like that,
Speaker 3: like Dared Mayo ain't calling the offensive place, you can
Speaker 3: just see how it gets ugly. Even again, Dan Quinn,
Speaker 3: he did inherit Matt Ryan. It's a little harder with
Speaker 3: a young quarterback who Let's face it, Malik Naghbors looks
Speaker 3: like a bigger thicker Odell Beckham from eight years ago,
Speaker 3: and the other wide receiver went in the top twenty five,
Speaker 3: and Brian Kelly got a pretty good history of developing
Speaker 3: offensive players at Notre Dame, at Cincinnati and now here.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I mean dan Quinn and I
Speaker 3: like dan Quinn. He did get a job with Matt
Speaker 3: Ryan and Julio Jones on the roster, so it's just
Speaker 3: they were kind of a little more. They were already good.
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan had already been in the playoffs, it was
Speaker 3: a star. It's a lot more difficult. And I was
Speaker 3: thinking about this today. If you know in that Giants
Speaker 3: dock when they tried to trade up from three to
Speaker 3: six and Elliott Woolf essentially at the end of the
Speaker 3: day said no unless you give me some godfather offer,
Speaker 3: not going to entertain it. If I told you Drake
Speaker 3: may was with Da Ball, who spent the four years
Speaker 3: you know, with Josh Allen, you would like that scenario.
Speaker 1: A lot more.
Speaker 3: Yes, when you put a project on just a god
Speaker 3: awful team whose coach. I mean, there's doesn't mean he
Speaker 3: doesn't know football, but he's never been remotely close to
Speaker 3: a position like this, and now the fans are already
Speaker 3: turning on the owner because of everything that went on
Speaker 3: with the Apple documentary and the treatment of Belichi. It's
Speaker 3: just weird. It's hard to overcome that. I saw it
Speaker 3: when I was in college with Alex Smith. The Niners
Speaker 3: were just a joke that we used to joke in college.
Speaker 3: Could Pete Carroll's team beat the Niners? And it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people would argue, I don't know.
Speaker 3: They got about fifteen first rounders and this Niner team
Speaker 3: struggled to win like four games, and Alex went there
Speaker 3: and it was his career was an embarrassment. And then
Speaker 3: he got real coaches and what happened. You're like, alexm
Speaker 3: it's pretty good. Yeah, And he's as mature and smart
Speaker 3: of a quarterback that is coming to the league last
Speaker 3: twenty five years. It is really really hard to overcome
Speaker 3: negativity losing a coach who's not really comfortable. So I
Speaker 3: guess that's a long winded way of saying, like, I
Speaker 3: think it's so much easier when you're when you're head coach,
Speaker 3: is the guy pulling the trigger on the play call.
Speaker 3: He impacts the game. I'd never quite understand, like Sirianni,
Speaker 3: like what really is he doing on games? Yeah, not
Speaker 3: calling a play, you know, toughness, Like is he say
Speaker 3: this about Dan Campbell, Like obviously he's adding an element
Speaker 3: of toughness that. Yeah, they're they're in a different category.
Speaker 3: But there are some guys, you know, is Dan Quinn
Speaker 3: calling the defense? Is Drive Mail calling the defense? So
Speaker 3: if they if they take that part away. So it's
Speaker 3: why when Robert Sala gets the Jets job, he immediately goes,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be the coordinator. It's like, well, what
Speaker 3: the fucking I hire you for? Just to give raw
Speaker 3: Ross peaches. I mean, you've had two good years as
Speaker 3: a coordinator and now you're giving up the asset in
Speaker 3: which I hired you for. Part of being the head
Speaker 3: coach is you gotta lead, you gotta you gotta motivate,
Speaker 3: you gotta run practice and ideally call one side of
Speaker 3: the ball. That's what all these coaches do. There's a
Speaker 3: rare group of people. Harbaugh is a great example, who
Speaker 3: can dominate Bill Parcels. Most guys have to be pretty
Speaker 3: hands on in this modern day of football, right, the games.
Speaker 3: This is not nineteen eighty seven. Well, I can win
Speaker 3: most of my games seventeen to thirteen. If I got
Speaker 3: the toughest guys, I can beat the shit out of you. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: you know it.
Speaker 1: One of the things I do think fans don't think
Speaker 1: about a lot. People tend to think there's a salary cap,
Speaker 1: so all the teams have the same money, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, they don't. The Bidwells and stan Kronky
Speaker 1: in the same division. Stan Kronky is the largest holder
Speaker 1: of residential real estate in America. You got homes in
Speaker 1: every city in the country, every place in the world
Speaker 1: you could think of. It didn't matter if it's Monaco,
Speaker 1: San Trope, Paris. You know Stan Steve Kaime's a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine and worked for Michael Bidwell, and he won't
Speaker 1: bad mouth him publicly, but you know, we've had a
Speaker 1: few cocktails and the stories are I don't It's not
Speaker 1: a work environment I could. I couldn't handle. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have the ability to handle it. I just don't have
Speaker 1: the emotional DNA to deal with a lot of people don't.
Speaker 3: That's why they get sued a lot by former employees,
Speaker 3: which is I wouldn't say typical in the NFL with
Speaker 3: scouts and coaches and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think fans sometimes think with salary cap,
Speaker 1: everybody's the same. And Stan Cronki can write checks. Like
Speaker 1: you said, the Yorks before Levi Stadium, they they didn't
Speaker 1: have that kind of money. Mark Davis just can't write.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to have money in the bank
Speaker 1: to make these big free agent signings. And I think
Speaker 1: sometimes the Spanoses have money, but they're closest allies in
Speaker 1: the league. Are not the wealthiest owners. They're closer to
Speaker 1: Bidwell and Mara than they are Stan Kronk. They're really
Speaker 1: really rich guys. And I know Dean a little bit
Speaker 1: and that they're not. They're real estate guys. They're not
Speaker 1: tech guys or you know Jerry.
Speaker 3: J Arthur think got much money, Arthur Blankass.
Speaker 1: Or Stephen Ross the tycoon down in Miami. And so
Speaker 1: the Chargers are a great example. They draft did very well.
Speaker 1: They've always done better than average on quarterbacks, like the
Speaker 1: like the Bengals, they were always cheap on coaches. They
Speaker 1: were just they just didn't spend They just didn't spend
Speaker 1: the money on coaches. I mean, go through the it's
Speaker 1: college guy, Mike Riley, it's coordinator here, and I think horrbor.
Speaker 1: That's why I think Harbaugh and I told Dean this.
Speaker 1: I said, Dean, it's like a rubicon. You guys burst
Speaker 1: through it. You literally went to a place you've never gone,
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have one of the two or three
Speaker 1: highest paid coaches. And he told me, he said, it's
Speaker 1: changed our building. He just he goes, there's no negative
Speaker 1: to so far. He just elevate the optimism, the wisdom.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I look at the Chargers and
Speaker 1: people kind of lament their wide receivers. But John, I
Speaker 1: think we talked about this. San Francisco was Crabtree and
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys Michigan just want a natty with
Speaker 1: Colin Wilson. They didn't throw the ball. If you look
Speaker 1: at everywhere Harbaugh has been, I mean you can go
Speaker 1: to Stanford, Doug Baldwin. They've never been right on the
Speaker 1: perimeter offensively. His teams have always had one shortcoming, not
Speaker 1: a great group of wide receivers. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: crazy to suggest the Chargers are gonna be a top
Speaker 1: three seed in the AFC. I don't think it's crazy.
Speaker 3: It shows you though, I mean the other day. Now.
Speaker 3: Granted it's not like him ACL or anything. They are
Speaker 3: pretty dependent. If Herbert were to miss a month or
Speaker 3: something like I he's great and I am a Jim
Speaker 3: Harbaugh loyalist, he would struggle to win games with this
Speaker 3: iteration of the roster. Maybe in a couple of years.
Speaker 3: He can't win with Easton Stick. You could lose the Raiders,
Speaker 3: You could lose to anybody you're playing, let alone the
Speaker 3: good teams. If Herbert is healthy, I do think they
Speaker 3: can win double digit games. And listen, I think there
Speaker 3: are a lot of people with the Chargers. Over the
Speaker 3: years we put out clips and podcasts. I've been hard
Speaker 3: on them. Yeah, probably don't like me, and I am
Speaker 3: not anti Charger, but like you said, you can't be
Speaker 3: taken seriously as a real organization and constantly try to
Speaker 3: hire the cheapest coach. Yes, and Anthony Anthony Lend's a
Speaker 3: nice guy. People love the guy. He should not be
Speaker 3: your head coach. Brandon Staley. I mean, I made it
Speaker 3: very clear where I stand on that one. And even
Speaker 3: before Mike McCoy, who had a little moment but then
Speaker 3: it was like, you can't beat Andy Reid and these
Speaker 3: guys and Belichick with this guy, you got no shot.
Speaker 3: And part of it was they were never fishing on
Speaker 3: that part of the pier, right, they were only kind
Speaker 3: of messing over there, and whether they got lucky regardless
Speaker 3: of how this ended up happening, obviously Jim California guy
Speaker 3: had coached in San Diego, it was it worked out.
Speaker 3: I give them credit for making this and making him
Speaker 3: your head coach because it can change the franchise. But
Speaker 3: like part of this now is and I think Andy
Speaker 3: has really got Clark Hunt, who obviously Andy and Mahomes,
Speaker 3: they've made him a lot of money over the last
Speaker 3: six seven years. Right, Historically he was known as a
Speaker 3: really cheap guy. And I would say the Hunt family
Speaker 3: is not Kronky or Paul Allen or what just unlimit money.
Speaker 3: But now they've gotten a lot more aggressive, clearly with
Speaker 3: paying Andy and Veach even stuff like that. And to me,
Speaker 3: that's the next level of the Chargers of like you
Speaker 3: can cut these checks because you can get players, you
Speaker 3: can fudge the salary cap however you want. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: like you said, I wonder if we did a research
Speaker 3: project at Jim Harbaught the player just thinking of thinking
Speaker 3: in my mind, I wonder if some of the good
Speaker 3: teams he was on as a player, it didn't feel
Speaker 3: like they were running out Randy Moss and Jerry Rice
Speaker 3: a wide receiver. So philosophically, the way he's played and coached,
Speaker 3: we know it works. And now it's on, Like there
Speaker 3: really are any excuses with the Chargers now right. The
Speaker 3: knock has really been for the last ten years, Like,
Speaker 3: look who you're rolling out of, coach, We know you
Speaker 3: can get the players, Joe Ortiz from the Ravens. It's
Speaker 3: pretty scary, though, Colin, this is something I've never missed.
Speaker 3: You know, in the profession you were in law before me,
Speaker 3: we have so much more control, Like I control how
Speaker 3: successful we are, how many people listen, like by my content,
Speaker 3: how consistent I do it? Like I in football, even
Speaker 3: as the head coach guy breaks his leg in the
Speaker 3: middle of practice and he's a start player, It's like,
Speaker 3: I get you get numb to it, but you don't
Speaker 3: get numb to certain players getting injured and that's all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he's got He's in a boot for
Speaker 3: two weeks. That just rattles you. Even if it's like,
Speaker 3: oh it's Planni Fasciatis, not the end of the world.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine it just sa chills up with everyone
Speaker 3: in the Chargers. They're like this, we have pretty high
Speaker 3: hopes this season to be competitive and be a wild
Speaker 3: card team, and just are we sure? Because part of
Speaker 3: it I heard Daniel Jeremiah maybe even run him a
Speaker 3: little more, play him a little like Josh Allen. And
Speaker 3: you start getting feet injuries just freaks me out. I
Speaker 3: was gonna bett a lot of money on them over
Speaker 3: under Colin. This is one of those guy misses. You know,
Speaker 3: two weeks in a boot for this. What if it
Speaker 3: crops up again and all of a sudden you got
Speaker 3: to miss three weeks in a stretch where you're playing
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, Ravens and the Cowboys or whatever their schedule is.
Speaker 3: You know you'd be screwed.
Speaker 1: All right, John, I've been told you have a college
Speaker 1: football topic for me.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. I was driving around. You know,
Speaker 3: I listened to a series when I'm in the car,
Speaker 3: I have serious XM and I'll go around some of
Speaker 3: like college radio and hear like New Heizel and they'll
Speaker 3: just be like really nitty gritty on college football, which
Speaker 3: you don't really get that many places. And obviously the
Speaker 3: nil and the financial world of the sport has completely
Speaker 3: changed and forever. You know, when I was growing up
Speaker 3: in the nineties, the main suite teams Miami, Nebraska, whoever
Speaker 3: was good in the PAC twelve or Pac ten at
Speaker 3: the time, like their television presence. UCLA was really good
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. They were on TV all
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, and it was a huge, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of game changer. And then as everything kind of
Speaker 3: changed in the two thousands and now it's all about money,
Speaker 3: and they were taught. They had an ACC guy on
Speaker 3: and he was like, you know, SMU and a couple
Speaker 3: other teams went into the ACC and they're like, we
Speaker 3: don't even need a share, we don't even need money.
Speaker 3: And SMU and I saw the Baylor coaches were wearing this,
Speaker 3: we pay players some of these programs, you know, like
Speaker 3: UCLA in theory, You're like, oh la, a bunch of money.
Speaker 3: They couldn't even dream of investing the money SMU or Baylor.
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly told me Ucla was twelve out of twelve
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve for nil twelve.
Speaker 3: So do you think moving forward? Obviously the big dogs,
Speaker 3: you know, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, LSU. But could
Speaker 3: we see a couple teams like an SMU all of
Speaker 3: a sudden be like, how are they getting these guys? Well,
Speaker 3: their budget is double the size of everyone except Oregon
Speaker 3: Ohio State. And I do wonder if over the next
Speaker 3: couple of years we would because of the last fifteen years,
Speaker 3: put certain teams all the time in the playoffs, and
Speaker 3: I wonder if we could see some curveballs, because I
Speaker 3: know we can't do pay to play well bullshit that's happening.
Speaker 3: And so if SMU has an unlimited checkbook like Dan
Speaker 3: Lanning or Ryan Day, they're gonna have a seat at
Speaker 3: the table because that's getting you players now. And maybe
Speaker 3: one of these SEC programs like does Alabama have the money?
Speaker 3: Did some of these other programs Not really they don't,
Speaker 3: So it's so it could change. And you know, well,
Speaker 3: Nick Saban clearly wasn't losing the step because I didn't
Speaker 3: think his team was that talented and almost beat Michigan
Speaker 3: at the Rose Bowl. I wonder if he realized I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna be we still gonna have the funds. I'm out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think two things happened with Nick One he and
Speaker 1: he the last two years he started complaining about Nil
Speaker 1: a lot. He had lost several players to Texas. Remember
Speaker 1: when Texas played Bama, I think it was was it
Speaker 1: last year?
Speaker 3: Well, they played him back to back years and they
Speaker 3: beat it. They beat the shit out of him last year.
Speaker 1: And when you watched that game, you went, oh, Texas
Speaker 1: is much bigger than Alabama. So the first time I
Speaker 1: saw that in twenty years, Texas had five star offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: They If you'd have switched jerseys eight years ago, it
Speaker 1: looked like Bama did when they would face a Pack
Speaker 1: twelve school or a Big ten school. They were just bigger, faster,
Speaker 1: and stronger, and those were players he was losing. The
Speaker 1: number one booster in the state of Alabama is Bear
Speaker 1: Bryant's son. There's not this depth of income. There's like
Speaker 1: three guys with Arkansas. Actually, Arkansas, the state has more
Speaker 1: money than Alabama because of they have three huge huge
Speaker 1: Now surprisingly, Walmart like the Waltons don't give to Arkansas.
Speaker 1: People think they don't, they really don't.
Speaker 3: Isn't Tyson Food's guy, the Tyson.
Speaker 1: I don't think Tyson gives as much as people think.
Speaker 1: There's another group that gives a lot of money. I
Speaker 1: talked to Eric Musselman. Some of this stuff is off
Speaker 1: the record. USC coach. He used to be Arkansas, so
Speaker 1: he said, like, you know, Walmart's not opening things up.
Speaker 1: But I always had this theory that because of Silicon Valley,
Speaker 1: all those graduates that went to Washington, Stanford, UCLA, Cow,
Speaker 1: it takes one guy to just say I'm going to
Speaker 1: give I'm going to give twenty eight million dollars a
Speaker 1: year to col now Stanford because you have Stanford and
Speaker 1: Cal are hard to get into, right like, so I
Speaker 1: don't know what you could do. But I've thought about
Speaker 1: that before, is that maybe tech guys aren't big football fans.
Speaker 1: But I thought when the NIL started, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is going to help the Pac twelve. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna help rural Alabama team. It's gonna help and listen USC.
Speaker 1: The biggest collective is Oregon with Phil Knight, which is
Speaker 1: basically unlimited. USC's i've been told is thirteen to fifteen,
Speaker 1: and I think that they've done. Jen Cohen, the new
Speaker 1: Athletic director who I talked to recently. We had to
Speaker 1: sit down. They've really done a good job as a university.
Speaker 1: The university deserves credit the big boosters. There's two or
Speaker 1: three really excellent, smart savvy boosters. Usc collaborative, you know,
Speaker 1: don't you don't have this power, need for constant power
Speaker 1: and validation. So Jen's really happy with their collective group.
Speaker 1: But UCLA they got nothing. They don't have any money.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a program, and again it's small sample size,
Speaker 3: but I know a couple people that old old guys
Speaker 3: through family friends, through my uncle knew a guy that
Speaker 3: was his mentor former players at Notre Dame in the
Speaker 3: fifties and sixties. One passed away. Now that were nine
Speaker 3: figure guys and they were huge. You could only do
Speaker 3: so much in the past, right, give money for weight
Speaker 3: rooms now, I mean, isn't Notre Dame a program that
Speaker 3: you talk about Silicon Valley like they got a lot
Speaker 3: of high level finance guys. I mean you're talking guys
Speaker 3: worth hundreds of millions of dollars, And you're right. All
Speaker 3: it takes is one individual to go to one of
Speaker 3: these programs and just love football to go, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: worth a couple of billion. I start the next in
Speaker 3: the video or whatever, and I do that. And that's
Speaker 3: where the old school oil money in Texas like they
Speaker 3: got that built in because those guys love football, they
Speaker 3: love being part of the program, they love being talked
Speaker 3: about as part of the program, and they got so
Speaker 3: much damn money. It's you know, giving them an extra
Speaker 3: fifty teen million dollars a year is a line item
Speaker 3: that they don't even notice on their tax return. So
Speaker 3: I do think get ready for we're going to see
Speaker 3: some teams they're like, God, what happened to that? It's
Speaker 3: going to change the landscape because recruiting, it's what is
Speaker 3: being a good recruiter anymore. I think every college coach
Speaker 3: would tell you it come the majority of them come
Speaker 3: down to the checkbook and now with a transfer portal,
Speaker 3: even if you'll land a guy, you don't land a guy.
Speaker 3: It's like, there's just so much craziness that the big
Speaker 3: money teams and some of them that haven't been able
Speaker 3: to flex their muscle because who cared how much money
Speaker 3: SMU had before even Baylor. It's like, well, who's to
Speaker 3: say they can't get a seat at the table. Now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're getting some five star defensive
Speaker 3: lineman because they're willing to pay. You know, SEC's given
Speaker 3: them six hundred grand. They're like, hey, we'll double it.
Speaker 3: You do that enough times, word gets out, you start
Speaker 3: funneling guys to a certain place, word gets out. That's
Speaker 3: how it happens.
Speaker 1: I had dinner this week with a big an executive
Speaker 1: that negotiates contracts with leagues, and we were talking about this,
Speaker 1: and this person was talking about the NFL lawsuit, you
Speaker 1: know with direct TV, and you know, the prosecutors are
Speaker 1: sort of arguing that, hey, let's do it the way
Speaker 1: college football does where there's parody. And the truth is
Speaker 1: what the NFL argued is, you know, there's no reason
Speaker 1: to change what we do. We actually have parodies. Small
Speaker 1: markets when bigger than big markets, bad teams Houston can
Speaker 1: turn around with just the right two employees, a quarterback
Speaker 1: and a coach. And this executive was saying college football
Speaker 1: has always been have and have nots. He said, it's
Speaker 1: going to get so much worse, he said college and
Speaker 1: I said worse than Clemson, Ohio State, and Bama being
Speaker 1: in the National Championship literally every year for a decade.
Speaker 1: And he said he thinks what's going to happen. It's
Speaker 1: going to be about eight schools and worse being a
Speaker 1: feeding frenzy. Oregon's going to remain in there as long
Speaker 1: as Phil knights there. I think on the fringes. USC
Speaker 1: will be there from the west, but it'll be Texas,
Speaker 1: Texas A and M if they can get the right coach.
Speaker 1: Ohio State, I think Michigan. I think Notre Dame Georgia
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Maybe like Clemson, they're a program. Do they have enough
Speaker 3: money supporting them? I mean, I can't speak to knowing
Speaker 3: every one of their boosters, but but I will surface
Speaker 3: it would go they're a program that could fall fall behind.
Speaker 1: I think people and I was talking about this with
Speaker 1: the executive. I said, I think if you look at
Speaker 1: all the scholarships, college football has always have this fear
Speaker 1: that it's getting top heavy. They used to give out
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five scholarships and they cut it
Speaker 1: down to eighty five. BAMAA put up the biggest dynasty
Speaker 1: ever is that the truth is there are just some
Speaker 1: brands and schools that care more and there they may
Speaker 1: have stretches, but I mean, if I said to you
Speaker 1: the eight best college football programs ever, one of them's
Speaker 1: sc They have a great collective now and Lincoln Riley
Speaker 1: Oregon in the last thirty years because of Phil Knight's
Speaker 1: been an excellent program. Ohio State, Michigan just want to
Speaker 1: Natty Notre Dame relevant, Georgia, Alabama, LSU had Brian Kelly,
Speaker 1: and you know, Clemson, er of Florida State have always
Speaker 1: been in the running. Things really haven't changed. I would
Speaker 1: argue Oregon is the only new blood that's a blue blood.
Speaker 1: Of all the college football powers, Oregon in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years is the new blood. And that's they had
Speaker 1: their t Boon Pickens except Phil because of sports apparels,
Speaker 1: such a die hard sports fan.
Speaker 3: But I and what your Nike incorporate you like early eighties,
Speaker 3: you know, right, and really took off early nineties with
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. I guess mid to late eighties, like that's yeah,
Speaker 3: all those programs were established before that point. So if
Speaker 3: Phil Knight had started that in the fifties, they would
Speaker 3: have been right there. It's just because of him.
Speaker 1: So I think. And I was just talking to this
Speaker 1: executive and were just going around. We weren't really debating
Speaker 1: we're just and my take is when I drove home
Speaker 1: after dinner, my take was, you know, college football, more
Speaker 1: than any sport in my lifetime, anyone has always been lobsided,
Speaker 1: and I've never loved it more. I don't seek parody.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. The bottom line, if you
Speaker 1: give me the top twelve brands, I don't care what
Speaker 1: TCU does. Nothing against them. It's a beautiful little town
Speaker 1: Fort Worth. But my take is the nil the transfer portal.
Speaker 1: Guess what BAMA, sc Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, LSU,
Speaker 1: Oregon now with film that they're all going to be
Speaker 1: in that playoff every year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're still led what college basketball used
Speaker 3: to be because so many of their coaches have retired
Speaker 3: that they are a star driven. We get to know
Speaker 3: their players because they got to say their three years
Speaker 3: and their coaches become stars. So the reality television at
Speaker 3: college football is a two pronged, you know, lead with
Speaker 3: the coaches and the players. In college basketball, all the
Speaker 3: great coaches have retired. I mean there's still a couple,
Speaker 3: but for the most part, the legendary guys are gone
Speaker 3: and we don't get to know the players because I
Speaker 3: was thinking about this watching the Olympics. I feel like
Speaker 3: the Olympics in the nineties was incredible, like Michael Johnson,
Speaker 3: some of the big moments, and then I felt like
Speaker 3: it dropped off a little bit. And then I think
Speaker 3: the way we consume everything. Obviously, football benefits the most
Speaker 3: from this, the scarcity. Every event feels big, college or pro,
Speaker 3: every game matters, and they got stars. Is like this
Speaker 3: Olympics has a lot of star power. I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about gymnastics. I know who Simone Biles,
Speaker 3: don't I like swimming a little bit for a workout,
Speaker 3: But beside Michae Phelps, I don't care at all. But
Speaker 3: Katie Ladecki like, I'm kind of checking out. Scottie Scheffler
Speaker 3: wins the Olympic gold Yokovic and it just felt really,
Speaker 3: really big. I saw the NBA when they played Yokich's
Speaker 3: team did eleven million people? Eleven million people never watched
Speaker 3: the NBA finals this year. I think this Olympics. I
Speaker 3: think the Olympics is on the comeback trail. At least
Speaker 3: this you know, just stars. No, I think easy for
Speaker 3: women and men to watch. It's just it's an easy watch.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the other thing. And this should be noted.
Speaker 1: I've said this about TikTok. If TikTok because it got
Speaker 1: banned because of its connection to China. If America said
Speaker 1: we're banning it except for culinary tiktoks, and it lost
Speaker 1: eighty percent of its followers. But the only people that
Speaker 1: went to TikTok went for culinary. Culinary would own a
Speaker 1: singular platform in the country. John Over the last eight years,
Speaker 1: television is sports only. Now we'll get some politics this year.
Speaker 1: Trump obviously drives numbers. But everybody keeps telling me TV's dying,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but the industry we're in owns
Speaker 1: all of it. So if cable loses, goes from up
Speaker 1: FS one, goes from ninety million subs to sixty four,
Speaker 1: they're all now true sports fans, or you've gotten rid
Speaker 1: of cable. The only reason to keep it now is
Speaker 1: calledege football, college basketball. So I look at it. So
Speaker 1: when you when I look at the Olympics, if you
Speaker 1: have a TV in America, you have it for one
Speaker 1: reason only sports. That is little you used to have.
Speaker 1: People used to pay for cable for thirty years nobody
Speaker 1: watched it like it was the biggest con. It was
Speaker 1: the biggest grift in TV. ESPN built an empire. Half
Speaker 1: the people paying them didn't consume their product. It was
Speaker 1: like grift. So, like I think about what's happening with
Speaker 1: the Olympics now is television. People have been telling me
Speaker 1: newspapers were going to go under for thirty years. A
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, they sold The Athletic to
Speaker 1: the New York Times for four hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: The New York Times has never made more money. The
Speaker 1: Washington Post has never been more relevant. Forbes the summer Olympics, I.
Speaker 3: Felt the little guy's been knocked out. Would you agree
Speaker 3: the little newsmaer sac menob or something like that.
Speaker 1: They're all done. But to your point, you now going
Speaker 1: to if you want to watch, if you love big
Speaker 1: sporting events. It is still TV runs our world, and
Speaker 1: I think I think that's been the benefit, is that
Speaker 1: people to have TV. They're Olympic viewers older on average,
Speaker 1: older viewers women watch the Olympics. And so I felt
Speaker 1: like you, I felt the Olympics had really made a
Speaker 1: downturn and these are it's on everywhere. I go right now, restaurant, bar, friends, pharmacy.
Speaker 1: All I see is the Olympics.
Speaker 3: And I think the Summer Olympics is more relatable than
Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics. I think the momentum of this Olympics
Speaker 3: going into twenty eight in la is gonna feel massive.
Speaker 3: I think this is and it's why I defended NBC
Speaker 3: for Peacock. Remember they got so much shit for putting
Speaker 3: It's like, does everyone understand once my parents' generation is gone,
Speaker 3: no one watches NBC beside for the football game on
Speaker 3: Sunday night. Like for them to survive, they have to
Speaker 3: get this streaming service to work. I've spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time on Peacock watching. I mean, they give you
Speaker 3: every option, you can watch whatever you want, Like I
Speaker 3: enjoy Peacock, I think. But again, I think there's Olympics.
Speaker 3: Not that I care about any of these sports really
Speaker 3: beside golf and basketball, I have been glued. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm watching handball, and I also think that some of
Speaker 3: these sports that you go this kind of stupid wis
Speaker 3: is there? You do need more inventory for an event
Speaker 3: everyone's watching. You can't just have one relay race and
Speaker 3: everyone goes home. They're only going to add sports right
Speaker 3: football going in. That's probably smart business. This is when
Speaker 3: everyone's watching. Nothing is going on right now, I.
Speaker 1: Mean nothing, no, And what's happened is Sean McVay killed
Speaker 1: the NFL preseason when he wouldn't play anybody, and they
Speaker 1: went eight to no and everybody just all the young
Speaker 1: coaches like, what are we doing here? I remember I
Speaker 1: was talking to my bosses at Fox and I said,
Speaker 1: you know football now, because college football is so big,
Speaker 1: I'll work seven days a week now for the next
Speaker 1: seven months, starting Labor Day. I'll work Labor Day, weekend
Speaker 1: I'll start. I'll work seven months, no days off. I'll
Speaker 1: get a couple of Thanksgiving. But I'm glued to the TV.
Speaker 1: Those are big football, college and pro games. And I
Speaker 1: said to them, I said, after the NBA finals and
Speaker 1: we don't have the NBA, I never would it Fox.
Speaker 1: I said I could take July and August off and
Speaker 1: I don't think it would affect anything. And my bosses
Speaker 1: said take it, and I said, well, I have radio,
Speaker 1: so at this point in my career, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to take July and August off. But if I only
Speaker 1: signed a TV contract John, I would do TV and
Speaker 1: I would do this. And if I just did television
Speaker 1: in the volume like I you can take I mean,
Speaker 1: Fox would be like take it off. We don't care.
Speaker 1: And for the record, we have the Olympics, we had COPA,
Speaker 1: we had the Euros, and we had the Caitlin Clark story.
Speaker 1: Next year three of those four were gone, and we
Speaker 1: may not the buzz around Caitlin Clark may not be
Speaker 1: as magnificent. So this has been this, This has been
Speaker 1: to me like the rare great summer of viewership. I
Speaker 1: think we're moving into a time that if it's not
Speaker 1: an Olympic year or maybe a COPA year, we're a
Speaker 1: ten and we are. We are so dynamic as a
Speaker 1: country for ten months now, there's so much money in
Speaker 1: everything that July and August are take. It's it dies.
Speaker 1: This may be one of the last great July August
Speaker 1: sports of Now again we'll have the Olympics again. LA
Speaker 1: Olympics will be big in twenty eight. That'll be a
Speaker 1: great year. But you're gonna get every You're gonna get
Speaker 1: these two year periods where it's just nothing happening.
Speaker 3: Totally agree, I'm on board. Yep.
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff could see anybody good.
Speaker 3: Scena can take it easy the volume.
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