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Speaker 1: I mean he's one hundred and sixty pounds. I mean

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people view Xavier Worthy as

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Speaker 3: So are you just listen? I've been to going to

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Speaker 1: And it's also a lot with Parcels. No, it's a

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Speaker 1: I've argued this, Tyreek Hill just got a new three

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Speaker 3: Where are they well with Tyreek? I do think the

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Speaker 3: You know, Trent Williams getting older, you know, you can

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Speaker 1: I said this before. I have the Rams running the division.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was thinking about you know, I've I've

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Speaker 3: I think it was easier to move. I had lived

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Speaker 3: So it's you know, you experience whether you're not as

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Speaker 1: So I was thinking like, and I'm not. It's just

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Speaker 1: people are different and I'm not traditional. So I can

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Speaker 1: move my wife's the same way we can move on

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Speaker 1: a dime. And the kickoff rules. It's quirky looking, but

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Speaker 1: just the new kickoff rules. Think about it in terms

445
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Speaker 1: of when they changed the pat it became a real play,

446
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Speaker 1: one of those your kicker misses one about every third

447
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Speaker 1: week unless you have the Unless you have the Bravence kicker.

448
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Speaker 1: So seven of eight kicks were returned in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame game. Seventy three percent of kicks last year

450
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Speaker 1: went through the m zone or touchbacks. You get an

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Speaker 1: extra play about six to seven times a game. There

452
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Speaker 1: were only like four balls kickoffs taken for touchdowns last year.

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Speaker 1: It almost never happens, don't Yeah, I mean like it

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Speaker 1: may happen. It basically in the NFL happens every six weeks.

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Speaker 1: It happens once. You don't even get that many. I mean,

456
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Speaker 1: if a guy gets a midfield or the other team's forty,

457
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Speaker 1: it's considered a huge return. So the NFL basically said,

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Speaker 1: we just want more plays. So I said this on

459
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Speaker 1: the air, is that the NFL constantly adjusts Baseball did

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Speaker 1: when it had to. I mean, Fox basically went to

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Speaker 1: Baseball and said, we're not really interested in signing you

462
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Speaker 1: to another deal. Speed the game up. So Fox literally

463
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Speaker 1: told him how to tweak their schedule, speed the game up. ESPN,

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Speaker 1: by the way, has no interest from what I've heard

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Speaker 1: in resigning baseball Lachlan Murdoch, it's pretty clear in our building,

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Speaker 1: it's not like baseball's a priority. Baseball has changed when

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Speaker 1: it's fundamentally had to, or networks just don't want to

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Speaker 1: do business with them, and they have sped the game up.

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Speaker 1: But it's a different time, and it does still feel

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Speaker 1: like it lacks juice and energy and pacing. So but

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Speaker 1: the NFL in a leadership role. I always said this

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Speaker 1: about Tiger Woods, number one golfer in the world, number

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Speaker 1: one and change clubs. Oprah Winfrey had the number one

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Speaker 1: ratings and she literally changed her show to more of

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Speaker 1: an ethereal, you know, quality of life, elevation of life show.

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Speaker 1: She was number one. Tiger and Oprah changed. NFL does

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Speaker 1: this number one pulling a way and makes changes. That's

478
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Speaker 1: different from somebody going, John, if you don't quit smoking,

479
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Speaker 1: you die. I'm not going to give you a ton

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Speaker 1: of credit for quitting when the option is you're dead

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Speaker 1: if you don't start exercising and stop smoking. So baseball

482
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Speaker 1: is a little bit like change or we're just not

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Speaker 1: interested in re signing you to long term deals. So

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Speaker 1: I guess my point is on the preseason thing. People

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Speaker 1: can fight it. But John, I watched it, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's I It was the first time I can remember

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Speaker 1: watching every kickoff.

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Speaker 3: It was fascinating. I'm totally behind doing out with the

489
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Speaker 3: old because it was not working, but I watched. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of sick. I probably watch a coach press

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Speaker 3: conference a day different. You know. Throughout the league, I

492
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Speaker 3: ran into Sean Payton's yesterday. Because you get the right coaches,

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Speaker 3: they're giving you nuggets left and.

494
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Speaker 1: Right, all sorts of nuggets.

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Speaker 3: And I saw this a couple of weeks ago aheadline

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Speaker 3: that the Packers special teams coach Rich Pasacia, probably the

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Speaker 3: number one heralded special teams coach in the league, said

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Speaker 3: the league might change things throughout the preseason. Sean Payton

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Speaker 3: doubled down on that. So I think they've told everyone

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Speaker 3: and this is where they deserve credit. We did this,

501
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Speaker 3: but we are not afraid to tweak it before week

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Speaker 3: one if we see different things. Because Sean Payton mentioned this,

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Speaker 3: and I do agree, there's a lot of moving parts

504
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Speaker 3: with where the ball could end up. And he's like,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to follow. It's hard for us the coaches.

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Speaker 3: It took us a while. The fans cannot follow this,

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Speaker 3: like if one goes out of bounds, if one goes

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Speaker 3: through the end zone, and obviously if you don't get

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Speaker 3: it to the front square. There are different yard lines.

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Speaker 3: I think one's twenty five, one's thirty, and one's forty

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Speaker 3: might be thirty five. He's like, it's too confusing. His

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton's pushback was I'm totally cool with this change

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Speaker 3: of the formation, but just have one or the other right.

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Speaker 3: If you kick it out of the end zone or

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Speaker 3: kick it out of bounds, it starts at the forty

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Speaker 3: and if you kick it, if you don't kick it

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Speaker 3: to the square, started at the twenty. But you can't

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Speaker 3: have too many complications, and I agreed with that. The

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Speaker 3: one thing I think again, it was preseason game, the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame game. You could even have that in

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Speaker 3: his own category, like there's preseason, then there's whatever the

522
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Speaker 3: hell that is. I know it's rained out or whatever,

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Speaker 3: but I meet the people playing. I thought there would

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Speaker 3: be more just open lanes and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 3: take too much away. It felt like the offensive players

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Speaker 3: because this guy gets a running start five yards, I

527
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Speaker 3: do have to back up immediately, and I in the

528
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Speaker 3: old rule I had more space so I could back

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Speaker 3: up and then attack. There's not really that much space,

530
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Speaker 3: and there were a couple of times when everyone just

531
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Speaker 3: went by him and the offensive guy was swallowed. So

532
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Speaker 3: and I assume the opposite. I was like, you're only

533
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Speaker 3: gonna have to make a guy or two miss. It's

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Speaker 3: why like Deebo Samuel's like I want in because in

535
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Speaker 3: theory you think it's gonna be easy, but then you

536
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Speaker 3: watch it in practice, you're like, maybe it's not gonna

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Speaker 3: be as I would say offensive as you it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be harder than and who knows, maybe we'll see all

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Speaker 3: sorts of stuff. But Sean Payton said this, He's like,

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Speaker 3: if the average if you're kicking in the square and

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Speaker 3: the average where they end up with the ball is

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Speaker 3: at the thirty eight yard line, over like a two

543
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Speaker 3: or three week period, every coach is going to kick

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Speaker 3: it in the end zone, start at the thirty. Right,

545
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Speaker 3: we'll just play the numbers, which would be bad, which

546
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Speaker 3: would negate everything they're trying to do. And the league

547
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: obviously understands this, so they're trying to They want it

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Speaker 3: to be a play, right, they want it to be

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Speaker 3: a you know what I think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I think is the disadvantage for

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Speaker 1: the return team. So in the old kickoff, you know

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Speaker 1: you've got rookies on that kickoff team, you got third

553
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Speaker 1: string guys, undisciplined get out of their lane. So you

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Speaker 1: would see guys get out of their lane over the course.

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Speaker 1: This is too short of a run up. So nobody

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Speaker 1: gets out of their lane. It's a much more disciplined

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Speaker 1: kickoff team. So when I watch that, I'm like, there

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Speaker 1: are no openings you have to make it like, like, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't have enough time to screw it up. You

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Speaker 1: really don't have enough time to Some of these rookies

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Speaker 1: are running full speed, they get out of their lane,

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Speaker 1: and you'll and whenever you see a kickoff return for

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Speaker 1: a touchdown, you look at the replayer, like Jesus, you

564
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Speaker 1: had two guys that were twelve yards out of their lane.

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Speaker 3: It's like the dB that dies for a pick or

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Speaker 3: the basketball player that dies for the steel. You're like,

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Speaker 3: you didn't need to do that now. Now you don't

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Speaker 3: even have time to do that, like you say, because

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Speaker 3: you're only taking six seven steps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so everybody stays in their lane. So my take

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Speaker 1: is it's you can play younger players and not really

572
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Speaker 1: worry about it. They get onya. Everybody's where they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be. And but it is. This is something I've

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Speaker 1: said for years. There's an old saying basketball thinks about

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Speaker 1: when it comes to change, Basketball thinks about it first.

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Speaker 1: The NFL gets it right, and baseball makes the most

577
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Speaker 1: money off it, and so baseball's always been money obsessed,

578
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Speaker 1: like that's all they care about, the ownership, just making money.

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Speaker 1: So for them, you know, any change is something that

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Speaker 1: they don't want to, you know. I mean, obviously baseball

581
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Speaker 1: with the iPhone should take off forty games per team,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty games, end the season in seriously

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Speaker 1: last week of July and be done by September. Twentieth.

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Speaker 1: Season over before the NFL gets rolling. It's over now

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Speaker 1: between college the Big Ten explosion in the SEC, adding

586
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Speaker 1: Texas Oklahoma with the NFL. If you don't have the

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00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: right October matchup, that shit's over. Like a usc is

588
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: opening with LSU and Michigan, I'm in. I'm out of baseball,

589
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: unless it's the Phillies, Dodgers, Yankees, I'm done. So baseball

590
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: has always been one of those sports where they will

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Speaker 1: vary slowly make change. And I think what's happened in

592
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Speaker 1: the last several years the networks like Fox in the

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Speaker 1: FPN have come up and said, guys, you know these games.

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Speaker 1: They're creating, these all Star games, the Game in the Cornfield.

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Speaker 1: They're fascinating games. They're events which you know, Philadelphia Phillies

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Speaker 1: going to London. Baseball would have never done that on

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Speaker 1: their own. They were basically told, guys, you got to

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Speaker 1: get some ratings here in the regular season. So when

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Speaker 1: people confuse the two football in a power position, and

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Speaker 1: I love this is just rolling the dice constantly and

601
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Speaker 1: I love it well.

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Speaker 3: And when they screw up, they'll change. Like they remember

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, Belichick's whole thing was we

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Speaker 3: should be able to challenge every play. They didn't quite

605
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Speaker 3: give them that, but they challenge past interference. Clearly it

606
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: wasn't working well, and they say we're canceling this. So like,

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Speaker 3: if this kickoff rule is just an utter disaster, which

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Speaker 3: I don't think it will be, but just in the

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Speaker 3: hypothetical world it was, they would pivot to do something

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Speaker 3: else and that could be like Week three. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they are not afraid to make hardcore changes, but I

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Speaker 3: was pretty adamant in my mind, like I think we're

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Speaker 3: gonna see a ton of touchdowns, and then watching it,

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Speaker 3: I understand it's Houston and the Bears four string players,

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Speaker 3: but like, maybe it's actually going to be more difficult

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Speaker 3: and maybe you will be less inclined if the defenders

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Speaker 3: are able to break free pretty consistently to put a

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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley Christian mcaffick, because my thought was, like, put

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Speaker 3: one of those guys back there. It's much more like

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Speaker 3: a normal play. It'll just speak like a one on one.

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Speaker 3: You'll get tackled. But I wonder if it actually might

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Speaker 3: be more violent, so you're more likely to put your

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Speaker 3: backup running back or backup safety that has some moves

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Speaker 3: like if this guy gets hurt, whatever, I am not

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Speaker 3: risking Deebo Samuel back there on a four on one

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Speaker 3: in the corner and have him get destroyed.

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Speaker 1: So a former NFL quarterback texted me after the draft

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Speaker 1: and I wrote this note down and I was, I

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Speaker 1: have notepads all over my house and I found this

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Speaker 1: the other day and I didn't bring it up, and

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady has some draft takes.

633
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there, but he said, this

634
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: is not a small thing. Caleb Williams defensive coach, Jaden

635
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Daniels defensive coach, Drake May defensive coach, rookie, he said,

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Speaker 1: and Michael Pennix in Atlanta backup defensive coach. He said,

637
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Speaker 1: don't be surprised if Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy with

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Speaker 1: really really bright offensive coaches in one year. If we

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Speaker 1: don't look up and go, those are the best two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And this quarterback said, man, when you come into this league,

641
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: and this quarterback spoke from experience, he goes, I had

642
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: a defensive coach first, it's a different language. He said,

643
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: bow Knicks and JJ McCarthy are getting a master class

644
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: level coaching experience that Pennix isn't getting with a coordinator

645
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Caleb's not getting, he said. This guy said, it's just

646
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: he goes, and he said this, he goes. People bang

647
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson for not winning playoff games.

648
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: He said, if you gave Josh Allen to Andy Reid,

649
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: do you think he'd have a super Bowl? And his

650
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: thing was, of course he would. So it's just interesting

651
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: is that we every year in this draft, John, there's

652
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: a quarterback drafted below the star. Very rarely is the

653
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: first quarterback taken the guy c J. Stroud two Bryce YOUMP.

654
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not just saying now, c J. Stroud got

655
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: a great coach, a great coordinator, Tank Dell Nico Collins.

656
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: They hit on draft picks. But your take on because

657
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Kevin o' connell is highly respected. I mean, the tall

658
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Sean McVay. Sean Payton, I spent a lot of time

659
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: with Sean. Shawn is way too smart to be broadcasting.

660
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: He has to be coaching. I think the best over

661
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: bet in the league is Bnecks at five and a half.

662
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: Like the old line's pretty good. If the Franklin kid

663
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: from Oregon works with Mims and Courtland Sutton, they have

664
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Speaker 1: workable tight ends two backs. I think they're capable. What

665
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Speaker 1: do you make of that that the first year rookie quarterback,

666
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Speaker 1: the two with offensive coaches who are deeper in the

667
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: draft could be the hits.

668
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Speaker 3: Well, as I'm watching the Sean Payton prescoonference on my

669
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: iPhone at ten thirty at night in my bed next

670
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: to my future wife, she's probably thinking I'm a nut.

671
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 3: He mentioned the name multiple times in Drew Brees and

672
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: obviously getting rid of the football is a big deal.

673
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: And the other thing he hammered home is like people

674
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: act like I just want to dink and dunk, like

675
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: that's the offense. No, we want to push the ball

676
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: down the field and that is the game plan. So

677
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: I think the way that he talked about this guy

678
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: in the press conference was a lot of love. I

679
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: think he is really really high well. I think he

680
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: liked his like his rookie class. The way he was talking,

681
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: I think he's pretty excited about his team. This did

682
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: not feel like, you know, I think a younger Sean

683
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: Bill Parcells guy. If he's not happy, you can feel it.

684
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: He looked pretty excited with the group he has. Doesn't

685
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: mean they're gonna win eleven games. I'm kind of out

686
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: on Washington this year. Not because I don't think Jayden

687
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: Daniels isn't really talented, but they're not that good. They

688
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: haven't been. They got rid of multiple d linemen. Now

689
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: you could say Chase Young's a little overrated, Monte Sweat

690
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: is not. So they lose talent there. They just are

691
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: not as talented as obviously the Eagles are the Cowboys.

692
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: That division's hard. The Giants have some players, and day

693
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: Ball you have like he has been coaching. Now he's

694
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: calling the offense. I could see the Washingt just having

695
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: a rough season, and that's where you know big. Of

696
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: course they should they've been bad. They're resetting. But when

697
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: you're a quarterback and you don't have your play caller

698
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, there's are offensive play

699
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: caller good enough, Cliff Kingsbury. You see a lot with

700
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: defensive guys they start getting pressure. Well who they point

701
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: the finger at the offensive play caller when shit goes wrong,

702
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 3: it goes to Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid or Sean

703
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: Payton or Kyle Shanahan and they go, we'll fix it,

704
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: and you go, yeah, they will, They'll figure it out.

705
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: And that's where it gets difficult. I mean New England

706
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: they feel a little bit like a shit show right now. Yeah,

707
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: you know, no team in the league has spend less cash.

708
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: I've read this and heard people say this over the

709
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: last decade than them. I mean that's that speaks one

710
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 3: to the brilliance of Tom Brady and Belichick building a team.

711
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: But also I think there's a knock on the craft

712
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: can be a little cheap. They like to do the

713
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: most with the least amount, where I think a lot

714
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: of teams, like the Niners of the cowb they'll spend

715
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: whatever it takes to try to win. Like he's always

716
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: it wasn't just Belichick being cheap, you know, it felt

717
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: like could kind of a mandate you have this rookie

718
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: head coach who's not that far removed from being a player.

719
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: You got this defensive star player who's underpaid that they

720
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 3: had a kick out of practice. It's getting weird. Diana

721
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: Russini says, you know they've made an offer to Matt

722
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: Judon that he's saying bullshit. It's just there's a lot

723
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: going on the quarterback situation. They have this major project.

724
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: We've seen a million times what history doesn't repeat itself,

725
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: but it often rhymes. I've seen Jacoby Brissett in a

726
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: scenario on a bad team thirty times in my life.

727
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: We know exactly how this goes. The record's terrible before

728
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: Halloween right around there, it's like, we can't take this anymore.

729
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: Throw the kid in. The team's awful, and it can

730
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: Jared Goff go the wrong way and they got lucky.

731
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: McVeigh came in the next year and saved everything. But

732
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: it goes the wrong way with a situation like that,

733
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: like Dared Mayo ain't calling the offensive place, you can

734
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: just see how it gets ugly. Even again, Dan Quinn,

735
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: he did inherit Matt Ryan. It's a little harder with

736
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: a young quarterback who Let's face it, Malik Naghbors looks

737
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 3: like a bigger thicker Odell Beckham from eight years ago,

738
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: and the other wide receiver went in the top twenty five,

739
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: and Brian Kelly got a pretty good history of developing

740
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: offensive players at Notre Dame, at Cincinnati and now here.

741
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I mean dan Quinn and I

742
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 3: like dan Quinn. He did get a job with Matt

743
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: Ryan and Julio Jones on the roster, so it's just

744
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: they were kind of a little more. They were already good.

745
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan had already been in the playoffs, it was

746
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: a star. It's a lot more difficult. And I was

747
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: thinking about this today. If you know in that Giants

748
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: dock when they tried to trade up from three to

749
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: six and Elliott Woolf essentially at the end of the

750
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: day said no unless you give me some godfather offer,

751
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 3: not going to entertain it. If I told you Drake

752
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 3: may was with Da Ball, who spent the four years

753
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: you know, with Josh Allen, you would like that scenario.

754
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: A lot more.

755
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: Yes, when you put a project on just a god

756
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: awful team whose coach. I mean, there's doesn't mean he

757
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: doesn't know football, but he's never been remotely close to

758
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: a position like this, and now the fans are already

759
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: turning on the owner because of everything that went on

760
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 3: with the Apple documentary and the treatment of Belichi. It's

761
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: just weird. It's hard to overcome that. I saw it

762
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 3: when I was in college with Alex Smith. The Niners

763
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 3: were just a joke that we used to joke in college.

764
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: Could Pete Carroll's team beat the Niners? And it was like, yeah,

765
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people would argue, I don't know.

766
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: They got about fifteen first rounders and this Niner team

767
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: struggled to win like four games, and Alex went there

768
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: and it was his career was an embarrassment. And then

769
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: he got real coaches and what happened. You're like, alexm

770
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: it's pretty good. Yeah, And he's as mature and smart

771
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: of a quarterback that is coming to the league last

772
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: twenty five years. It is really really hard to overcome

773
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: negativity losing a coach who's not really comfortable. So I

774
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: guess that's a long winded way of saying, like, I

775
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: think it's so much easier when you're when you're head coach,

776
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: is the guy pulling the trigger on the play call.

777
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: He impacts the game. I'd never quite understand, like Sirianni,

778
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: like what really is he doing on games? Yeah, not

779
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: calling a play, you know, toughness, Like is he say

780
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: this about Dan Campbell, Like obviously he's adding an element

781
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: of toughness that. Yeah, they're they're in a different category.

782
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: But there are some guys, you know, is Dan Quinn

783
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: calling the defense? Is Drive Mail calling the defense? So

784
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 3: if they if they take that part away. So it's

785
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: why when Robert Sala gets the Jets job, he immediately goes,

786
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be the coordinator. It's like, well, what

787
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: the fucking I hire you for? Just to give raw

788
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: Ross peaches. I mean, you've had two good years as

789
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: a coordinator and now you're giving up the asset in

790
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: which I hired you for. Part of being the head

791
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: coach is you gotta lead, you gotta you gotta motivate,

792
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: you gotta run practice and ideally call one side of

793
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: the ball. That's what all these coaches do. There's a

794
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: rare group of people. Harbaugh is a great example, who

795
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 3: can dominate Bill Parcels. Most guys have to be pretty

796
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: hands on in this modern day of football, right, the games.

797
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 3: This is not nineteen eighty seven. Well, I can win

798
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: most of my games seventeen to thirteen. If I got

799
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: the toughest guys, I can beat the shit out of you. Yeah, well,

800
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 3: you know it.

801
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: One of the things I do think fans don't think

802
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: about a lot. People tend to think there's a salary cap,

803
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: so all the teams have the same money, and I

804
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: was like, no, they don't. The Bidwells and stan Kronky

805
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: in the same division. Stan Kronky is the largest holder

806
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: of residential real estate in America. You got homes in

807
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: every city in the country, every place in the world

808
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: you could think of. It didn't matter if it's Monaco,

809
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: San Trope, Paris. You know Stan Steve Kaime's a buddy

810
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: of mine and worked for Michael Bidwell, and he won't

811
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: bad mouth him publicly, but you know, we've had a

812
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: few cocktails and the stories are I don't It's not

813
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: a work environment I could. I couldn't handle. I wouldn't

814
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: have the ability to handle it. I just don't have

815
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: the emotional DNA to deal with a lot of people don't.

816
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: That's why they get sued a lot by former employees,

817
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: which is I wouldn't say typical in the NFL with

818
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: scouts and coaches and stuff like that.

819
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think fans sometimes think with salary cap,

820
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: everybody's the same. And Stan Cronki can write checks. Like

821
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: you said, the Yorks before Levi Stadium, they they didn't

822
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: have that kind of money. Mark Davis just can't write.

823
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: You know, you have to have money in the bank

824
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: to make these big free agent signings. And I think

825
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: sometimes the Spanoses have money, but they're closest allies in

826
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: the league. Are not the wealthiest owners. They're closer to

827
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: Bidwell and Mara than they are Stan Kronk. They're really

828
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: really rich guys. And I know Dean a little bit

829
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: and that they're not. They're real estate guys. They're not

830
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: tech guys or you know Jerry.

831
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: J Arthur think got much money, Arthur Blankass.

832
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: Or Stephen Ross the tycoon down in Miami. And so

833
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: the Chargers are a great example. They draft did very well.

834
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: They've always done better than average on quarterbacks, like the

835
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: like the Bengals, they were always cheap on coaches. They

836
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: were just they just didn't spend They just didn't spend

837
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: the money on coaches. I mean, go through the it's

838
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: college guy, Mike Riley, it's coordinator here, and I think horrbor.

839
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Speaker 1: That's why I think Harbaugh and I told Dean this.

840
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: I said, Dean, it's like a rubicon. You guys burst

841
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: through it. You literally went to a place you've never gone,

842
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have one of the two or three

843
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: highest paid coaches. And he told me, he said, it's

844
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: changed our building. He just he goes, there's no negative

845
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: to so far. He just elevate the optimism, the wisdom.

846
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I look at the Chargers and

847
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: people kind of lament their wide receivers. But John, I

848
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: think we talked about this. San Francisco was Crabtree and

849
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys Michigan just want a natty with

850
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: Colin Wilson. They didn't throw the ball. If you look

851
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: at everywhere Harbaugh has been, I mean you can go

852
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: to Stanford, Doug Baldwin. They've never been right on the

853
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: perimeter offensively. His teams have always had one shortcoming, not

854
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: a great group of wide receivers. I don't think it's

855
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: crazy to suggest the Chargers are gonna be a top

856
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: three seed in the AFC. I don't think it's crazy.

857
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: It shows you though, I mean the other day. Now.

858
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: Granted it's not like him ACL or anything. They are

859
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 3: pretty dependent. If Herbert were to miss a month or

860
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 3: something like I he's great and I am a Jim

861
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: Harbaugh loyalist, he would struggle to win games with this

862
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: iteration of the roster. Maybe in a couple of years.

863
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: He can't win with Easton Stick. You could lose the Raiders,

864
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: You could lose to anybody you're playing, let alone the

865
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: good teams. If Herbert is healthy, I do think they

866
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: can win double digit games. And listen, I think there

867
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: are a lot of people with the Chargers. Over the

868
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: years we put out clips and podcasts. I've been hard

869
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: on them. Yeah, probably don't like me, and I am

870
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: not anti Charger, but like you said, you can't be

871
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: taken seriously as a real organization and constantly try to

872
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: hire the cheapest coach. Yes, and Anthony Anthony Lend's a

873
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: nice guy. People love the guy. He should not be

874
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: your head coach. Brandon Staley. I mean, I made it

875
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 3: very clear where I stand on that one. And even

876
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: before Mike McCoy, who had a little moment but then

877
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: it was like, you can't beat Andy Reid and these

878
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: guys and Belichick with this guy, you got no shot.

879
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: And part of it was they were never fishing on

880
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: that part of the pier, right, they were only kind

881
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: of messing over there, and whether they got lucky regardless

882
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: of how this ended up happening, obviously Jim California guy

883
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 3: had coached in San Diego, it was it worked out.

884
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: I give them credit for making this and making him

885
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: your head coach because it can change the franchise. But

886
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: like part of this now is and I think Andy

887
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: has really got Clark Hunt, who obviously Andy and Mahomes,

888
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 3: they've made him a lot of money over the last

889
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: six seven years. Right, Historically he was known as a

890
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: really cheap guy. And I would say the Hunt family

891
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: is not Kronky or Paul Allen or what just unlimit money.

892
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: But now they've gotten a lot more aggressive, clearly with

893
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: paying Andy and Veach even stuff like that. And to me,

894
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: that's the next level of the Chargers of like you

895
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: can cut these checks because you can get players, you

896
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: can fudge the salary cap however you want. Yeah, And

897
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: like you said, I wonder if we did a research

898
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: project at Jim Harbaught the player just thinking of thinking

899
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: in my mind, I wonder if some of the good

900
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: teams he was on as a player, it didn't feel

901
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: like they were running out Randy Moss and Jerry Rice

902
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: a wide receiver. So philosophically, the way he's played and coached,

903
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: we know it works. And now it's on, Like there

904
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: really are any excuses with the Chargers now right. The

905
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: knock has really been for the last ten years, Like,

906
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: look who you're rolling out of, coach, We know you

907
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: can get the players, Joe Ortiz from the Ravens. It's

908
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: pretty scary, though, Colin, this is something I've never missed.

909
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: You know, in the profession you were in law before me,

910
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: we have so much more control, Like I control how

911
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: successful we are, how many people listen, like by my content,

912
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: how consistent I do it? Like I in football, even

913
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: as the head coach guy breaks his leg in the

914
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: middle of practice and he's a start player, It's like,

915
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: I get you get numb to it, but you don't

916
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: get numb to certain players getting injured and that's all

917
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: of a sudden he's got He's in a boot for

918
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: two weeks. That just rattles you. Even if it's like,

919
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: oh it's Planni Fasciatis, not the end of the world.

920
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 3: I can't imagine it just sa chills up with everyone

921
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: in the Chargers. They're like this, we have pretty high

922
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: hopes this season to be competitive and be a wild

923
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: card team, and just are we sure? Because part of

924
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: it I heard Daniel Jeremiah maybe even run him a

925
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: little more, play him a little like Josh Allen. And

926
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: you start getting feet injuries just freaks me out. I

927
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: was gonna bett a lot of money on them over

928
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: under Colin. This is one of those guy misses. You know,

929
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: two weeks in a boot for this. What if it

930
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: crops up again and all of a sudden you got

931
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 3: to miss three weeks in a stretch where you're playing

932
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, Ravens and the Cowboys or whatever their schedule is.

933
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: You know you'd be screwed.

934
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: All right, John, I've been told you have a college

935
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: football topic for me.

936
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. I was driving around. You know,

937
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: I listened to a series when I'm in the car,

938
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: I have serious XM and I'll go around some of

939
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: like college radio and hear like New Heizel and they'll

940
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: just be like really nitty gritty on college football, which

941
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: you don't really get that many places. And obviously the

942
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 3: nil and the financial world of the sport has completely

943
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: changed and forever. You know, when I was growing up

944
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: in the nineties, the main suite teams Miami, Nebraska, whoever

945
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: was good in the PAC twelve or Pac ten at

946
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: the time, like their television presence. UCLA was really good

947
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. They were on TV all

948
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, and it was a huge, you know,

949
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: kind of game changer. And then as everything kind of

950
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 3: changed in the two thousands and now it's all about money,

951
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: and they were taught. They had an ACC guy on

952
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: and he was like, you know, SMU and a couple

953
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: other teams went into the ACC and they're like, we

954
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: don't even need a share, we don't even need money.

955
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: And SMU and I saw the Baylor coaches were wearing this,

956
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: we pay players some of these programs, you know, like

957
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: UCLA in theory, You're like, oh la, a bunch of money.

958
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: They couldn't even dream of investing the money SMU or Baylor.

959
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly told me Ucla was twelve out of twelve

960
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve for nil twelve.

961
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: So do you think moving forward? Obviously the big dogs,

962
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: you know, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, LSU. But could

963
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: we see a couple teams like an SMU all of

964
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: a sudden be like, how are they getting these guys? Well,

965
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: their budget is double the size of everyone except Oregon

966
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: Ohio State. And I do wonder if over the next

967
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: couple of years we would because of the last fifteen years,

968
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: put certain teams all the time in the playoffs, and

969
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: I wonder if we could see some curveballs, because I

970
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: know we can't do pay to play well bullshit that's happening.

971
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: And so if SMU has an unlimited checkbook like Dan

972
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: Lanning or Ryan Day, they're gonna have a seat at

973
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: the table because that's getting you players now. And maybe

974
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: one of these SEC programs like does Alabama have the money?

975
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: Did some of these other programs Not really they don't,

976
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: So it's so it could change. And you know, well,

977
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 3: Nick Saban clearly wasn't losing the step because I didn't

978
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: think his team was that talented and almost beat Michigan

979
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: at the Rose Bowl. I wonder if he realized I'm

980
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: not gonna be we still gonna have the funds. I'm out. Yeah.

981
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: I think two things happened with Nick One he and

982
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: he the last two years he started complaining about Nil

983
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: a lot. He had lost several players to Texas. Remember

984
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: when Texas played Bama, I think it was was it

985
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: last year?

986
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: Well, they played him back to back years and they

987
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: beat it. They beat the shit out of him last year.

988
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: And when you watched that game, you went, oh, Texas

989
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: is much bigger than Alabama. So the first time I

990
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: saw that in twenty years, Texas had five star offensive linemen.

991
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: They If you'd have switched jerseys eight years ago, it

992
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: looked like Bama did when they would face a Pack

993
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: twelve school or a Big ten school. They were just bigger, faster,

994
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: and stronger, and those were players he was losing. The

995
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: number one booster in the state of Alabama is Bear

996
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Bryant's son. There's not this depth of income. There's like

997
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: three guys with Arkansas. Actually, Arkansas, the state has more

998
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: money than Alabama because of they have three huge huge

999
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: Now surprisingly, Walmart like the Waltons don't give to Arkansas.

1000
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: People think they don't, they really don't.

1001
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: Isn't Tyson Food's guy, the Tyson.

1002
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't think Tyson gives as much as people think.

1003
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: There's another group that gives a lot of money. I

1004
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: talked to Eric Musselman. Some of this stuff is off

1005
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: the record. USC coach. He used to be Arkansas, so

1006
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: he said, like, you know, Walmart's not opening things up.

1007
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: But I always had this theory that because of Silicon Valley,

1008
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: all those graduates that went to Washington, Stanford, UCLA, Cow,

1009
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: it takes one guy to just say I'm going to

1010
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: give I'm going to give twenty eight million dollars a

1011
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: year to col now Stanford because you have Stanford and

1012
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: Cal are hard to get into, right like, so I

1013
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: don't know what you could do. But I've thought about

1014
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: that before, is that maybe tech guys aren't big football fans.

1015
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: But I thought when the NIL started, I thought, well,

1016
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: this is going to help the Pac twelve. It's not

1017
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna help rural Alabama team. It's gonna help and listen USC.

1018
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: The biggest collective is Oregon with Phil Knight, which is

1019
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: basically unlimited. USC's i've been told is thirteen to fifteen,

1020
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: and I think that they've done. Jen Cohen, the new

1021
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: Athletic director who I talked to recently. We had to

1022
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: sit down. They've really done a good job as a university.

1023
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: The university deserves credit the big boosters. There's two or

1024
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: three really excellent, smart savvy boosters. Usc collaborative, you know,

1025
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: don't you don't have this power, need for constant power

1026
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and validation. So Jen's really happy with their collective group.

1027
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: But UCLA they got nothing. They don't have any money.

1028
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: I'll give you a program, and again it's small sample size,

1029
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 3: but I know a couple people that old old guys

1030
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: through family friends, through my uncle knew a guy that

1031
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: was his mentor former players at Notre Dame in the

1032
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: fifties and sixties. One passed away. Now that were nine

1033
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: figure guys and they were huge. You could only do

1034
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: so much in the past, right, give money for weight

1035
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 3: rooms now, I mean, isn't Notre Dame a program that

1036
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: you talk about Silicon Valley like they got a lot

1037
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: of high level finance guys. I mean you're talking guys

1038
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: worth hundreds of millions of dollars, And you're right. All

1039
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: it takes is one individual to go to one of

1040
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: these programs and just love football to go, hey, I'm

1041
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: worth a couple of billion. I start the next in

1042
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: the video or whatever, and I do that. And that's

1043
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: where the old school oil money in Texas like they

1044
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: got that built in because those guys love football, they

1045
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: love being part of the program, they love being talked

1046
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: about as part of the program, and they got so

1047
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: much damn money. It's you know, giving them an extra

1048
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 3: fifty teen million dollars a year is a line item

1049
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 3: that they don't even notice on their tax return. So

1050
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: I do think get ready for we're going to see

1051
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: some teams they're like, God, what happened to that? It's

1052
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: going to change the landscape because recruiting, it's what is

1053
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: being a good recruiter anymore. I think every college coach

1054
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: would tell you it come the majority of them come

1055
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: down to the checkbook and now with a transfer portal,

1056
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: even if you'll land a guy, you don't land a guy.

1057
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: It's like, there's just so much craziness that the big

1058
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: money teams and some of them that haven't been able

1059
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: to flex their muscle because who cared how much money

1060
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 3: SMU had before even Baylor. It's like, well, who's to

1061
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: say they can't get a seat at the table. Now

1062
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're getting some five star defensive

1063
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: lineman because they're willing to pay. You know, SEC's given

1064
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: them six hundred grand. They're like, hey, we'll double it.

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Speaker 3: You do that enough times, word gets out, you start

1066
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: funneling guys to a certain place, word gets out. That's

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Speaker 3: how it happens.

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Speaker 1: I had dinner this week with a big an executive

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00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: that negotiates contracts with leagues, and we were talking about this,

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00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: and this person was talking about the NFL lawsuit, you

1071
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: know with direct TV, and you know, the prosecutors are

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00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: sort of arguing that, hey, let's do it the way

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00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: college football does where there's parody. And the truth is

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00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: what the NFL argued is, you know, there's no reason

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Speaker 1: to change what we do. We actually have parodies. Small

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00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: markets when bigger than big markets, bad teams Houston can

1077
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: turn around with just the right two employees, a quarterback

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: and a coach. And this executive was saying college football

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00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: has always been have and have nots. He said, it's

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Speaker 1: going to get so much worse, he said college and

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00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: I said worse than Clemson, Ohio State, and Bama being

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00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: in the National Championship literally every year for a decade.

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Speaker 1: And he said he thinks what's going to happen. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be about eight schools and worse being a

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00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: feeding frenzy. Oregon's going to remain in there as long

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00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: as Phil knights there. I think on the fringes. USC

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Speaker 1: will be there from the west, but it'll be Texas,

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00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: Texas A and M if they can get the right coach.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, I think Michigan. I think Notre Dame Georgia

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 3: Maybe like Clemson, they're a program. Do they have enough

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Speaker 3: money supporting them? I mean, I can't speak to knowing

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Speaker 3: every one of their boosters, but but I will surface

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Speaker 3: it would go they're a program that could fall fall behind.

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Speaker 1: I think people and I was talking about this with

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Speaker 1: the executive. I said, I think if you look at

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Speaker 1: all the scholarships, college football has always have this fear

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Speaker 1: that it's getting top heavy. They used to give out

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five scholarships and they cut it

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Speaker 1: down to eighty five. BAMAA put up the biggest dynasty

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Speaker 1: ever is that the truth is there are just some

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Speaker 1: brands and schools that care more and there they may

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00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: have stretches, but I mean, if I said to you

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00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: the eight best college football programs ever, one of them's

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00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: sc They have a great collective now and Lincoln Riley

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: Oregon in the last thirty years because of Phil Knight's

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00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: been an excellent program. Ohio State, Michigan just want to

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00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: Natty Notre Dame relevant, Georgia, Alabama, LSU had Brian Kelly,

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00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: and you know, Clemson, er of Florida State have always

1110
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: been in the running. Things really haven't changed. I would

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: argue Oregon is the only new blood that's a blue blood.

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Speaker 1: Of all the college football powers, Oregon in the last

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: thirty years is the new blood. And that's they had

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Speaker 1: their t Boon Pickens except Phil because of sports apparels,

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00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: such a die hard sports fan.

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Speaker 3: But I and what your Nike incorporate you like early eighties,

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00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: you know, right, and really took off early nineties with

1118
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. I guess mid to late eighties, like that's yeah,

1119
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: all those programs were established before that point. So if

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Speaker 3: Phil Knight had started that in the fifties, they would

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Speaker 3: have been right there. It's just because of him.

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Speaker 1: So I think. And I was just talking to this

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Speaker 1: executive and were just going around. We weren't really debating

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Speaker 1: we're just and my take is when I drove home

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Speaker 1: after dinner, my take was, you know, college football, more

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Speaker 1: than any sport in my lifetime, anyone has always been lobsided,

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Speaker 1: and I've never loved it more. I don't seek parody.

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Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. The bottom line, if you

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Speaker 1: give me the top twelve brands, I don't care what

1130
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Speaker 1: TCU does. Nothing against them. It's a beautiful little town

1131
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Speaker 1: Fort Worth. But my take is the nil the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: Guess what BAMA, sc Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, LSU,

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Speaker 1: Oregon now with film that they're all going to be

1134
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Speaker 1: in that playoff every year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're still led what college basketball used

1136
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: to be because so many of their coaches have retired

1137
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: that they are a star driven. We get to know

1138
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: their players because they got to say their three years

1139
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: and their coaches become stars. So the reality television at

1140
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: college football is a two pronged, you know, lead with

1141
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: the coaches and the players. In college basketball, all the

1142
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: great coaches have retired. I mean there's still a couple,

1143
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: but for the most part, the legendary guys are gone

1144
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: and we don't get to know the players because I

1145
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: was thinking about this watching the Olympics. I feel like

1146
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: the Olympics in the nineties was incredible, like Michael Johnson,

1147
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: some of the big moments, and then I felt like

1148
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: it dropped off a little bit. And then I think

1149
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: the way we consume everything. Obviously, football benefits the most

1150
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: from this, the scarcity. Every event feels big, college or pro,

1151
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: every game matters, and they got stars. Is like this

1152
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 3: Olympics has a lot of star power. I don't care.

1153
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about gymnastics. I know who Simone Biles,

1154
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: don't I like swimming a little bit for a workout,

1155
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Speaker 3: But beside Michae Phelps, I don't care at all. But

1156
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: Katie Ladecki like, I'm kind of checking out. Scottie Scheffler

1157
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: wins the Olympic gold Yokovic and it just felt really,

1158
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Speaker 3: really big. I saw the NBA when they played Yokich's

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Speaker 3: team did eleven million people? Eleven million people never watched

1160
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Speaker 3: the NBA finals this year. I think this Olympics. I

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00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: think the Olympics is on the comeback trail. At least

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Speaker 3: this you know, just stars. No, I think easy for

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Speaker 3: women and men to watch. It's just it's an easy watch.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and the other thing. And this should be noted.

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Speaker 1: I've said this about TikTok. If TikTok because it got

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Speaker 1: banned because of its connection to China. If America said

1167
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: we're banning it except for culinary tiktoks, and it lost

1168
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: eighty percent of its followers. But the only people that

1169
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: went to TikTok went for culinary. Culinary would own a

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Speaker 1: singular platform in the country. John Over the last eight years,

1171
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: television is sports only. Now we'll get some politics this year.

1172
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: Trump obviously drives numbers. But everybody keeps telling me TV's dying,

1173
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but the industry we're in owns

1174
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: all of it. So if cable loses, goes from up

1175
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: FS one, goes from ninety million subs to sixty four,

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00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: they're all now true sports fans, or you've gotten rid

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Speaker 1: of cable. The only reason to keep it now is

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Speaker 1: calledege football, college basketball. So I look at it. So

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Speaker 1: when you when I look at the Olympics, if you

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Speaker 1: have a TV in America, you have it for one

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Speaker 1: reason only sports. That is little you used to have.

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Speaker 1: People used to pay for cable for thirty years nobody

1183
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: watched it like it was the biggest con. It was

1184
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: the biggest grift in TV. ESPN built an empire. Half

1185
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: the people paying them didn't consume their product. It was

1186
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: like grift. So, like I think about what's happening with

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Speaker 1: the Olympics now is television. People have been telling me

1188
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: newspapers were going to go under for thirty years. A

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, they sold The Athletic to

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Speaker 1: the New York Times for four hundred and fifty million dollars.

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: The New York Times has never made more money. The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post has never been more relevant. Forbes the summer Olympics, I.

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Speaker 3: Felt the little guy's been knocked out. Would you agree

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01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: the little newsmaer sac menob or something like that.

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Speaker 1: They're all done. But to your point, you now going

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01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: to if you want to watch, if you love big

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Speaker 1: sporting events. It is still TV runs our world, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's been the benefit, is that

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Speaker 1: people to have TV. They're Olympic viewers older on average,

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01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: older viewers women watch the Olympics. And so I felt

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Speaker 1: like you, I felt the Olympics had really made a

1202
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: downturn and these are it's on everywhere. I go right now, restaurant, bar, friends, pharmacy.

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Speaker 1: All I see is the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: And I think the Summer Olympics is more relatable than

1205
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics. I think the momentum of this Olympics

1206
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Speaker 3: going into twenty eight in la is gonna feel massive.

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: I think this is and it's why I defended NBC

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Speaker 3: for Peacock. Remember they got so much shit for putting

1209
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: It's like, does everyone understand once my parents' generation is gone,

1210
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 3: no one watches NBC beside for the football game on

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01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: Sunday night. Like for them to survive, they have to

1212
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Speaker 3: get this streaming service to work. I've spent a lot

1213
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: of time on Peacock watching. I mean, they give you

1214
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: every option, you can watch whatever you want, Like I

1215
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: enjoy Peacock, I think. But again, I think there's Olympics.

1216
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Speaker 3: Not that I care about any of these sports really

1217
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: beside golf and basketball, I have been glued. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm watching handball, and I also think that some of

1219
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: these sports that you go this kind of stupid wis

1220
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 3: is there? You do need more inventory for an event

1221
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 3: everyone's watching. You can't just have one relay race and

1222
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: everyone goes home. They're only going to add sports right

1223
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: football going in. That's probably smart business. This is when

1224
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Speaker 3: everyone's watching. Nothing is going on right now, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean nothing, no, And what's happened is Sean McVay killed

1226
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: the NFL preseason when he wouldn't play anybody, and they

1227
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: went eight to no and everybody just all the young

1228
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: coaches like, what are we doing here? I remember I

1229
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: was talking to my bosses at Fox and I said,

1230
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: you know football now, because college football is so big,

1231
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: I'll work seven days a week now for the next

1232
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: seven months, starting Labor Day. I'll work Labor Day, weekend

1233
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: I'll start. I'll work seven months, no days off. I'll

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01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: get a couple of Thanksgiving. But I'm glued to the TV.

1235
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: Those are big football, college and pro games. And I

1236
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: said to them, I said, after the NBA finals and

1237
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: we don't have the NBA, I never would it Fox.

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: I said I could take July and August off and

1239
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it would affect anything. And my bosses

1240
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: said take it, and I said, well, I have radio,

1241
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: so at this point in my career, I'm not going

1242
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: to take July and August off. But if I only

1243
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: signed a TV contract John, I would do TV and

1244
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: I would do this. And if I just did television

1245
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: in the volume like I you can take I mean,

1246
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: Fox would be like take it off. We don't care.

1247
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Speaker 1: And for the record, we have the Olympics, we had COPA,

1248
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: we had the Euros, and we had the Caitlin Clark story.

1249
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: Next year three of those four were gone, and we

1250
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: may not the buzz around Caitlin Clark may not be

1251
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: as magnificent. So this has been this, This has been

1252
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: to me like the rare great summer of viewership. I

1253
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: think we're moving into a time that if it's not

1254
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: an Olympic year or maybe a COPA year, we're a

1255
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: ten and we are. We are so dynamic as a

1256
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: country for ten months now, there's so much money in

1257
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: everything that July and August are take. It's it dies.

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01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: This may be one of the last great July August

1259
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: sports of Now again we'll have the Olympics again. LA

1260
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: Olympics will be big in twenty eight. That'll be a

1261
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: great year. But you're gonna get every You're gonna get

1262
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: these two year periods where it's just nothing happening.

1263
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: Totally agree, I'm on board. Yep.

1264
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff could see anybody good.

1265
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: Scena can take it easy the volume.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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