1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: So much of our podcasts that a momentum seems to 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: have been being thwarted lately. Do you feel it? I mean, 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to be praying for this 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: president and maybe we need to clarify for ourselves. There 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: are three strongholds he's up against. Let me point out 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: what they are for you. So we'll draw a picture here, 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: and let's just assume he's and this man's in a 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: battle up against three. I'll put three gates up here. 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: These are three powerful gates he's up against, and these 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: gates represent the three columns of attack that he's engaging 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: right now. The first column of attack that he is 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: engaging is to try to avoid World War three. He's 13 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: having to deal with the kinetic battle that is going on. 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: He's still working on the Middle East, and I don't 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: know how much progress is being blocked right now because 16 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: he has to make a major decision as to what 17 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: to do with the Iran's nuclear arsenal. To the degree 18 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: that Tucker Carlson and Don Junior and the informal circle 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: of family and friends are talking to him about that, 20 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pushback on don't go to war 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: with Iran. Avoided at all costs. And then on the 22 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: other hand, Iran with a nuclear weapon, draw that mushroom 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: cloud like that. They want to drop it on the 24 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: United States. They would love to detonate. You can't let 25 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Iran have nuclear weapon. I mean, that is your end 26 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: time scenario, isn't it. That's your beast end time tribulation 27 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: when with nuclear weapons proliferate and terrorist groups get to 28 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: launch them and you devastate millions of lives in a blink. 29 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's your armageddon scenario. Let's try not 30 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: to go there, don't you agree. So we have the 31 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Middle East, with Israel and all the surrounding nations always 32 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: a tinder box to be carefully managed. And Trump alone 33 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: has had the ability to bring the Abraham Accords, to 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: get the Saudis on the same page as him, to 35 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: be able to neutralize Turkey, to be able to take 36 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: that unstable Syria now and keep it in balance, and 37 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: keep Egypt in the box, so to speaking, Jordan on 38 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: his side. It's not easy, but Trump's the guy that 39 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: can do it. Then we have this, Uh, we have 40 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: Ukraine still, Oh it's not done yet. Ukraine and Russia. No, 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Sir that situation is still going on. And of course 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: what Trump has done is he said, well, we've got 43 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: a mineral deal. Tereral logic there is, if Trump can 44 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: get land and control that land for business purposes, it 45 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: creates a no go zone all along the border with Russia. 46 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Russia's not going to go rolling in and taking territory 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: because it's Trump's New York real estate. So the more 48 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: land that Trump can have mineral rights too, the more 49 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: the border between Russia is established. It's not if I 50 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: had a map here, I'll show you that the land 51 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: doesn't go all the way that way. But you get 52 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: the idea. Psychologically, Trump says, I don't need to give 53 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: a military I don't have to put I don't even 54 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: have to put soldiers there. I just have to have 55 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: a real estate deal with you. And that'll be a 56 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: line drawn on the sand. Don't mess with American commerce. So, 57 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: speaking of commerce, we've got the Middle East battle, we've 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: got the Ukraine war. And what is Trump interested in? Stability? Economically, 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: he wants to stop this nonsense. It's not good for 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: business globally, which is why he's got the debt. We've 61 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: got a uh dare I say we have a debt crisis. 62 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: He's working off the tariff situation. He's desperately trying trying 63 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: to work out a deal with the globe. But we've 64 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: got China is a huge factor because China's big enough 65 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: to be the American competitor. China may be the dominant 66 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: global superpower that dominates the Earth, and America may recede. 67 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: But if it does so, it'll happen because we've got 68 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: like thirty six trillion dollars worth of stupid debt meaning 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: stupid meaning our people. Similarly, when you look at Elon 70 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Musk with DOJ, he's trying to show where the waste 71 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: is and nobody will. You got people blowing up Tesla's 72 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: because they don't want to hear it out out Allies, 73 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm stupid canting. You get someone's showing you where the 74 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: whole is in the Titanic, and these people are complaining 75 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: that you're blocking the influx of water. So we have 76 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 1: this this radical problem, thirty six trillion dollars worth of debt. 77 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: You've got wars in Europe and in the Middle East, 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: which can trigger into what's called kinetic blowing things up 79 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: and shooting each other. We're not there right now, but 80 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: that's where it could go. Trump is up against the 81 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: kinetic war threat Middle East and Europe Russia. He's got 82 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: China over here with the world battles to see who's 83 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: going to be the superpower that determines the future of economics. 84 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: It could ultimately be China. But if it happens, just 85 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: because here's the delicate balance on the scale. We've got 86 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: thirty six trillion dollars with a debt, and Trump is 87 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: trying to bring in trillions of dollars of investment back 88 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: in the United States. He's getting no help at all. 89 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: He's constantly being fought because what do we have want 90 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: you to watch this. The third column which is crushing 91 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: us is ten million illegals under Biden, another twenty million 92 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: illegals before that. All the Trump is saying is just 93 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: let me get the ten million illegals out who came 94 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: in over the last four years, because they came in 95 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: from prisons, they came in from asylums, they came in 96 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: from gangs, and they came in Trinday, the Aruguay are 97 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: Ms thirteen. And what do you got. You've got judges, 98 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: radical Marxist judges, in the United States that are stopping 99 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: the agenda. And then the Supreme Court is unreliable. They 100 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: go back and forth like this and that. So the 101 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: courts the left can't do it. They can't stop Trump 102 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: in the in the government, they can't stop him in 103 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: the cabinet. They can't stop him an executive branch. So 104 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is they're trying to utilize 105 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: the courts. These courts, the early six tillion dollars worth 106 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: of debt, and the possibility of worse. These are the 107 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: things this president has to have grace God's ability. May 108 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: God grant this president remarkable wisdom and providential influence. May 109 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: God intervene with Russia and with Iran in the Middle 110 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: East to destabilize Iran's power, to block them for the 111 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: next decade so they cannot do what they want to do. 112 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: May God granted the United States an extension of grace, 113 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: that we can manage our debt, that the circumstances of 114 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: our economy will not be crushed by the way. You 115 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: need to know something when you talk about Wall Street, 116 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: why is my pen dying? I need new pens, folks. 117 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: When you got Wall Street and Wall Street is belly 118 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: aching like the Wall Street Journal every day. You got 119 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: to understand something that Trump knows out of that hole 120 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: stock Let's put this pile of cash here right, here's 121 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: a pile of cash, and it's amazing. It's god. The 122 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: dow went past it. Two thousand was what at one 123 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: point I thought it was gonna be miraculous. Now just 124 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: blowing through the roof on its way to four, just 125 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: moving up higher and higher. So what you've got is 126 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: the upper ten percent of the people in the American 127 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: income own pretty much ninety percent of the stock market. 128 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: So what Trump is seeing is this thing's been like 129 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: Jeffy Pop. Member, Jiffy Pop, you put it in your 130 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: pop corn and keeps getting bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger bigger. Well, 131 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: what you got here is you've got the Jiffy Pop 132 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: has been blowing up, blowing up, blowing up that ten percent. 133 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: The upper ten percent owns something like seventy or eighty 134 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: percent of the stock market is owned by the upper 135 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: ten percent, and they've just had their wealth grow grow, grow, 136 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: grow grow. And Trump says, I don't mind bringing that 137 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: down a little bit because you know where it's going 138 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: to go. It's going to go to the middle class. 139 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: If the wealth, I'm willing to put the squeeze on 140 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: the cheese here with a jiffy pop with this bloated 141 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: market in order to redistribute some of that wealth to 142 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: create jobs and wages. Because while these cats here in 143 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: the stock market had like around you know, one hundred 144 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and twenty percent growth over the last decade in stocks, 145 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: these people here in real wages lost money or stayed static. 146 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: They didn't go. These guys made money, these people didn't. 147 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Trump is the best president we've ever had for the 148 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: working class. Let's come back to this again. We're dealing 149 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: with kinetic warfare. We're dealing with the managing the national 150 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: debt and the tariffs and the and the budget of 151 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: the United States government is two trillion dollars over expense 152 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: every year. And Doge, who always said a Elon Musk, 153 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: hasn't cut one program it's exposed bad money. It hasn't 154 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: cut one of the programs. Yet that feeds into that 155 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: two trillion. And nobody really has the courage to go 156 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: there because we're heading into midterms and what the left 157 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: is doing is they're throwing their judges in to say, 158 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: if we'll fight the battle on the MS thirteen gangs. 159 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: If we can fight on that line, forget the ten million. 160 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: These are going to be new Democrat voters. We'll just 161 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: hold you off till midterms. They we're going to come 162 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: back and clauber you, take back the gavel, impeach you 163 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: for overreach of power, and then try it again with 164 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: the next presidential election. Maybe AOC and Bernie or GABM 165 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: and AOC. We'll find our dream team, but we're going 166 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: to stop you. America cannot afford to have Trump fail 167 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: on these three verticals. He's doing a balancing act with 168 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: China and the global economy, with wars from Russia to 169 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: the Middle East with Iran, and fighting the deep state 170 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: that is entrenched in Washington, d C. It's going to take, 171 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: it's going to take supernatural effort and probably another six 172 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: to eight years to move the DC establishment out of 173 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: d C so that it could become a level American 174 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: playing field. All right, Mercedes, that's my summary of the 175 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: three things we got to look. 176 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: At very concise. 177 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: Lance. 178 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: I think you know you have a real gift for 179 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: taking complicated things and making them simple and easy to understand. 180 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: Jiffy Pop and all, so it was excellent. I think too, 181 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: you know, he's not going to do it alone. And 182 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: I think this is why his team is so critical too. 183 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he is like the true North, and you 184 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: see him trying to take out like Pete Headshef and others, 185 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: and it really upsets me because it takes, like, you know, 186 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: it takes an amazing team to pull off something monumental 187 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: like that. 188 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Well, they are going to at and you know, and 189 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: I don't know about Pete because we have to I 190 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: don't know how threatened he is. But the deep state. 191 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: Remember he's taken the transgender out of the military. Who 192 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: the heck wants transgender in the military. There's a bunch 193 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: of people that do. There's so many Democrat deep state 194 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: and the money that is spent there in the Department 195 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: of Defense, they've got to pare it down. I mean 196 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: until you start till you start to squeeze a little 197 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: bit of that. There's no fiscal oxygen left for us 198 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: to keep on spending. I can't say that enough. I'm 199 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: worried about it because gold right now has gone up 200 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: to like I'm shocked, and so on its way to 201 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: like thirty eight from twenty five hundred. It's on the 202 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,239 Speaker 1: way through three thousand, so it's going to hit four thousand. 203 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: So I saw a picture of Francis, Pope Francis and 204 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: Barack Obama. I couldn't help but wonder who's going to 205 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: be the next pope and will they be part of 206 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: that apocalyptic personality in the Book of Revelation that brings 207 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: a one world church to be up, a one world ruler. 208 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it when we come back. All right, Look, 209 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't wanna I don't wanna do a weird segment here. 210 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: But uh, I was looking at Newsmas. I didn't bring 211 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: my magazine here. I get like, I got two subscriptions. 212 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: Somebody in my office has got to help me. I 213 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: need to cancel one of them. And uh, but I 214 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: got two subscriptions to Newsmax, and I'm reading the article 215 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: on Who's the next Pope? And I swear it was 216 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: shocking to me because it's like six white dudes. Africa 217 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: has a large Catholic population. In fact, one of the 218 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: most conservative of the traditional kind of Catholic guys against 219 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: the LGBTQ and all the other stuff that friends do 220 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: them is a play video eleven. I haven't seen it yet, 221 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: but it looks like the African cardinals from God and 222 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: getting among the contenders. I wish they were, but they 223 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: weren't in the top five in Newsmat's watch this. 224 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: Historically, I told there were poops that were black, but 225 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: that was maybe in the early centuries of the church. 226 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: But in modern times there hasn't been any black pope. 227 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: And who says a black person cannot be a pope? 228 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: An African can be pope. We have many, we have 229 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: some cardinals or Africans, But what do we are praying for. 230 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: It's not for an African, for a black pool, an 231 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: American poop, an Asian pope. No, they're praying for a 232 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: good and holy pop. 233 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying. And I'm shocked to see 234 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: that he's not. And these guys aren't in the top five. 235 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: They aren't in the top five. I'll tell you it's 236 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: in the top five. I've got it right here. Who 237 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: are the popular ones. There's a cardinal Beetro Proline. He's 238 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: a diplomat with extensive experience of the Vatican governance. Okay, 239 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: so this guy's like he's the guy that broke it. 240 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: Some weird deal with China. I'm gonna give you the 241 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: equivalent of drunk history version of papal politics, because I 242 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: haven't been covering the pope that long, that extensively. I mean, 243 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: I once I realized the guy was Marxist, I lost 244 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: my affection of it. For a while. All of our 245 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: my friends were gaga. I mean they were like, oh, 246 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: the Pope, he's a cool guy. But then when he 247 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: came to the United States and they had the big 248 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, and everybody's outcited, and Biden Obama pelows here 249 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: stumbling over each other, your beatles, you know, concert in 250 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: the sixties, and then and the guy never preached the gospel, 251 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: and I mean to mentioned Jesus talk of the climate 252 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: and the you know, the immigration and they and the poor, 253 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: and not that I don't care about those things, but 254 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I mean, my gosh, you got the whole world. I said, 255 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: this ain't no Billy Graham. I'll tell you that Cardinal 256 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: behro Berline, he's a statesman. He's Italian, I guess, an 257 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: Italian pope. Let's say he's seventy thoh so who knows, uh. 258 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I'm saying, is he broke of the 259 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: China deal. I'm not so impressed with that. 260 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if you're pronouncing the names right. 261 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it sounds I'm giving. I'm saying, 262 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: you sound like I know what I'm talking about. 263 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yes you do. 264 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: Cardinal Louis Antonio fond the Philippines. Oh that's tag lay Antonio, 265 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: Louise Antonio, tag lay. What the heck is that tag 266 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: lay on the end all of it? Louise Antonio? Isn't 267 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: that kind of like? You don't think Philippines and you 268 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: hear that tag lay. He's the pro prefect of the 269 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Dicastri for a for evangelization. Why is popular. He's known 270 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: for his charisma, his pastoral approach, and his alignment with 271 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: progressive Democrat values that France has had. He's the Asian Francis. Now, 272 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: that's all we need, Mara, that nonsense. Okay, we don't 273 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: want we don't want those policies continue, agreed. How about 274 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: Cardinal Matteo Zoopie. I'm telling you Zoopy is the scoopy. 275 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a big contender, is he? 276 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: I do you know why he's smiling? He's a smiling 277 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: guy yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then smiling goes a 278 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: long way these days, folks for telegenic personalities. He is. 279 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: He's known for peace and charity works. 280 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 281 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: But his Italian roads and moderate stance make him a 282 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: bridge between France and reforms traditional church values. But he's uh, 283 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: he's got a sweet spot for all the all the 284 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: lgbt Q rainbow compromises that France has brought with him. 285 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: Is there one that believes the Bible in there? 286 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna find him here. I'm 287 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: gonna find the pope and the pizza. We don't want 288 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: Francis policies continued. I continue to say, how about, hey, 289 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: here's a good guy. Maybe maybe, But then again, Amy 290 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: Cony Barrett. I was excited about her for a while. 291 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Now she's really been a little bit of a all right, 292 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: here we go. Cardinal Peter Erdeau, Hungary. I like that 293 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: Hungary because Victor Orbin's from Hungary and maybe they know 294 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: each other. Archbishop Peter Erdeau, He's a Budapest former president 295 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: of the Council of European Bishops. He's a conservative canon lawyer, 296 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: a strong reputation for sticking to traditional doctrine. He's seen 297 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: as a counterbalance to Francis's reforms, appealing to cardinals seeking 298 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: to return to orthodoxy. His Eastern European background echoes Pope 299 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: John Paul the second Legacy. You like Pope John Paul. 300 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: Well, we wrote about him in our book. 301 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: We did write about him, so we did. We liked 302 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: this guy, So we're not anti pope. There's some popes 303 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: we were really pretty pretty pleased with. That's a better choice. 304 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: So we want to pray for this guy. I believe 305 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: that'd because the Hungary goy memories from Hungary, and that's 306 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: Cardinal Peter Erdo. Hey, there's one guy from the United 307 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: States running. I don't know how they run. It's like 308 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: the Academy Awards. They call your agent or something. There's 309 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: only Gotny Minneapolis. 310 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: I think they're nominated. 311 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: The nominated. Yeah, he didn't have a lot of the 312 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: people that don't usually go with the Americans. All right, 313 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: So there's a here's Cardinal Fridolin Ambungjo Bussunga sure, Hey, Democrat, 314 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: Republic of the Congo. Best choice, tell you what, I 315 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: want to see him elect a black pope. This is 316 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: the one Archbishop of ken Shassa. He's young President of 317 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: the Symposium of Episcopal Conferences of Africa and Madagascar. M 318 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Bungo or Mbungjo has emerged as a powerful voice from Africa, 319 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: a region with a rapidly growing Catholic population. Is conservative stance, 320 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: especially his resistance. His resistance to the same sex couple's 321 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: thing that Francis was pulling off one in some big support. 322 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: That made a lot of enemies. He's pushing back folks 323 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: on the progressive doctrines. Hello, he will have some social 324 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: justice you know, undertones, But yeah, that's okay. Well is 325 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: he any figures? That's my best choice is the cardinal? 326 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: The next guy is the hungary guy. Now. Other frequently 327 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: mentioned names include Cardinal Mario gretch Fa Malta. He's sixty seven, 328 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: he's a moderate, and then Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke who's 329 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: seventy six. Are traditionalists. Keep in mind, the popularity is 330 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: of the key the next bubble dependent the priorities of 331 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: the one hundred and thirty eight Who's going to vote 332 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: for this one hundred and thirty eight eligible voting cardinals. 333 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty eight eligible voting cardinals. Hey did 334 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: you see that movie? I saw that movie. It was 335 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of weird. The last one what they call it 336 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: about picking the next pope. It's a movie and the conclave, 337 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. There in the studio, that producer 338 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: was keeping me clear, and it was kind of a 339 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: weird ending. Ever think that a spoiler alert like that 340 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: they have a transgender pope or somebody at the end, 341 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: and not quite sure who they who they voted on. 342 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: But the point is that this is what you got 343 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: going on. You got the conclave, and it's a political thing. 344 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: I asked a question why does it matter? Because the 345 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: last time you talked about the pope, there were a 346 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 2: lot of comments in here saying, Lance, why do we 347 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: care who the pope is? You know, we're all Protestants. 348 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: Why does it matter? So according to you, Lance, why 349 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: why is it relevant? I mean, there's a lot of 350 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: practical reasons. 351 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: But what we're we're looking for the we're looking for 352 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: the false prophit of the Antichrist. We're Pentecostals any day now, 353 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: that false prophety. I remember when poor Gorbachev, I mean 354 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: I remember my dumb crowd was saying, hey man, he's 355 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: got that mark on his forehead. That could be the 356 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: mark of the beast. It's a birthmark. I look back 357 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: as a stupid now. But anyway, here's the deal. Yeah, 358 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: there's a person, there's a false prophet in the Book 359 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: of Revelation who works with this political figure. Now, now 360 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: Trump is like hated despise. Can you imagine if you 361 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: had all the media and all of academia and all 362 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: the cool rock groups all behind some world ruler who 363 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: was maybe you know, some guy from the UK his 364 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: mother was American and you know, and he was like, 365 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, Muslim, but was the down on all of 366 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: the terrorism and embraced Jews. And I'm telling you this, 367 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: this anti Christ when he shows up, he's going to 368 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: be the bee's knees. And then he got some world ruler, 369 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: some really cool hip hop you know pope there who's 370 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: everybody loves him and he such a nice guy, and 371 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: he starts saying, this man is the ruler over now. 372 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: And then suppose you have some terrible I'm gonna just 373 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: tell you how it goes some nuclear incident with some 374 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: millions of people devastated and deb people are shocked, like 375 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: nine to eleven on stereos ten times words one hundred 376 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: times worse, and everybody's freaking out. And someone comes along 377 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: declares world peace and put together a conference and all 378 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: these weapons are grounded up to powder, and he becomes 379 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: heralded as the new supreme peace bringer, who's going to 380 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: be the number one religious figure. Protestants unfortunately can never 381 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: can never work with enough unity to have a single voice. 382 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Then they can't agree on Franklin Graham and they're running 383 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: off the borrowed, you know, legacy of Billy Graham. So 384 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: everybody's but the Catholic Church, because of his hierarchical nature, 385 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: historically has preserved its power structures so that there's one 386 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: supreme individual at the top of a pyramid of one 387 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight cardinals and then lower bishops and 388 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: prefects and prese etc. So you know, they've survived two 389 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: thousand years or fifty eighteen hundred years of history here 390 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: and become a world power. So you're never going to 391 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: have the political religious power for the Christian community represented 392 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: by anybody with more influence and media reach than the pope, 393 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: whether they're a Christian saved or not. They hold the 394 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: office that represents that consolidation and power. And because the 395 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: Bible talks about the false prophet and the beast, I 396 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: had somebody write to meet this week. Lean, it's so stupid. 397 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: The word Antichrist isn't even used once in the Book 398 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: of Revelation, all right, the word Antichrist hasn't used. The 399 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: word beast does. But the Antichrist as a person, as 400 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: an individual that I'm a describing right now as a 401 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: global you know, political ruler. That person is described variously 402 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: by various terminology. It all consolidates with one title called 403 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: the anti Christ. But so I'm interested. I don't see 404 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: any of these candidates being that charismatic individual. That makes 405 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: me nervous. 406 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: Though, well, I always wonder what that window is too, 407 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: because I think of it that way too. Of like, okay, 408 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: is this is this going to be the Antichrist? But 409 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: you wonder, like I mean, as I've been grown up 410 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: since Left Behind series was popular, right, it's like it's 411 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: the next Pope. 412 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: It's the next Pope. 413 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: And so I'm now at like forty years of next Pope. 414 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know what's well, yeah, but. 415 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: You guys see this the memes running around now, I 416 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: guess you all have JD Vans? Did he really visit 417 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: the pope ten hours before he expired? He did? 418 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: We have a video of it. 419 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: Well, for those of you that are just tuning into 420 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: the lands Waldmouse Show, we've been talking about the Pope. 421 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: But I got to play this JD Van's video here 422 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: real quick, just to make a proof of concept. Has 423 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: JD really become the grim Reaper? Here? Did he visit 424 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: the Pope before he expired? I want to see what happens? 425 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: Play the video. Hello, so good to see you. That's 426 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: God bless you. And how are you find yourself? I 427 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: think I'm as Sue to your father, and you've not 428 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: been feeling great, but it's good to see you in 429 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: better health. These are these are for your children. Thank you? Uh, 430 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: these are the gifts. 431 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: These also gifts for you as Thank you, beautiful. 432 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Tie that cameras think what the heck weed whack in there? 433 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your visit, of course, of course, 434 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: and thank you for seeing me. That must be tough, 435 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, that must be tough when you gotta do 436 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: those formal things. I hope I never have to do. 437 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: That would be so bad at that I'd be like 438 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: Larry David. I mean, like, what are we doing here? 439 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: And you're telling me with all the modern technology we 440 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: got but a man and on Mars and we can't 441 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: come up with a camera. Doesn't sound like it's it's 442 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: working on a manhole. 443 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: Wait a second, you're so funny. Did you say we 444 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: put a man on Mars? 445 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? Or not yet? Now looks busy And I was 446 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: going to say Eli wasn't so busy trying to put 447 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: out fires at Tesla. You've been on fire. 448 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: Today with funny comments. Carl and I are keep looking 449 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 2: at each other. What's the worst is at the end 450 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: because they faded it out when you were talking. But 451 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: he goes, we pray for you every day. It's just 452 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: like whoa the prayers we pray so sad? I mean, 453 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: could you imagine I wouldn't want to be the next 454 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: world leader that had to shake JD's hand, you know 455 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: what I'm saying? 456 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: In fact, oh, that's so millennial. 457 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I got this funny clip though, I found 458 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: and I brought it's for our you know, our segment 459 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: of the show. What do I call it, Carl? 460 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: Which is outrage? Oh? Is it outrage? Forge? Fatigue? Okay? 461 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: I know you better than you do. 462 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: Hold on, We're gonna now for the moment of the 463 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: show for outrage fatigue. Here's a clip that someone put 464 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 2: together on the Internet of JD. 465 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: All right, so he's hold too loud. 466 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: One, it's really loud and you can't see it. 467 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: Well, no, it has two disadvantages. One it's too loud 468 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: and the other one is no one can see. And 469 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: for those of you that are a podcast, they don't 470 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: know what we're looking at. What's the deal with the trophy? 471 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: Well, he like, it's really funny because there's like this 472 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: giant sports trophy that he's holding like they're they're like, here, JD. 473 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: It's fine in one guy's hand, and the next thing 474 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 2: they hand it to the other to JD and it 475 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 2: falls apart. It's a national championship trophy and it literally 476 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: falls apart once it's handed to him, and then somebody 477 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: paired it right next to it him shaking the Pope's hand. 478 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: But I could you imagine being JD. I mean, like, 479 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: how how awkward, how sad and awkward. Plus he's Catholic, 480 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, like that's a big deal for him. 481 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. 482 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I thought I mean I thought, I 483 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: don't know, I got me questioned myself. 484 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I guess, but uh, you know, 485 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: President Trump's kind of cracking me up these days. And 486 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: it's still you know, I know a lot of Christians, 487 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: we're all praying for him, we're all happy about him 488 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: making these bold declarations, but he still talks about his 489 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: faith in a most Entrumpian way. He's like, you hear 490 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: the latest quote, Hey, religion's really big right now. The 491 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: numbers are better than ever. I'm going, Oh, dear God, 492 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: the religion's really making a comeback onto the Trump administry, 493 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: and the numbers are better than ever. It's like, you 494 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: know who talks like that? Can you imagine that the 495 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: Archangel comes down, Hey, pastor, you're doing god? You know, 496 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: religious making a big comeback here in your country and 497 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: the numbers looking good. But here Video one, President Trump says, 498 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: we're honoring Jesus Christ. We're going to honor Jesus Christ 499 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: very powerfully. This is this is when he isn't being scripted, 500 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: speaking of special. Easter is special, but one of our 501 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: favorite days, it's one of our favorite periods of time. 502 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: We're honoring Jesus Christ, and we're going to honor Jesus Christ. 503 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: Very powerfully throughout our lives, all throughout our lives, not 504 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: just now, all throughout our lives. 505 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: We're bringing religion back in America. We're bringing a lot 506 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: of things back, but religion is coming back to America. 507 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: That's why you see the kind of numbers that you see, 508 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: the spirit and the kind of numbers that you see. 509 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: So I love there it is. I was wondering where 510 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: I heard that quote. Religion's coming back people. The numbers 511 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: are there. We got the numbers are crushing it. The 512 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: numbers are crushing it. Well, these guys is driven by 513 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: the numbers. Hey, but you know, you know, I just. 514 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: Got to say. I mean this Trump versus Trump from 515 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: eight years ago, and that's a legal I mean, he's 516 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: saying we're going to honor Jesus Christ. 517 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 1: He's the right. He only says what he believes. That's 518 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: what I love about him. I mean, but he's saying 519 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: it like I'm saying. He's saying it like he believes it. No, 520 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: I know that's how that's how he thinks. 521 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: No, but I'm just saying, this is a different Trump. 522 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: Like you remember that prophecy I feel like somebody had 523 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: where It's like, you know, he's going to go in whispering, 524 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: but he's going to come out roaring for the things 525 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: of faith and Jesus. I mean he's he's honoring Jesus 526 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: more than most worship songs. 527 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 528 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: Oh it's like, who are we singing to? 529 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: No? No, no, He's honoring Jesus more than a Christian 530 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: of our evangelical tribe. Can you imagine Cruise, are Hawkabie 531 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: your Pence? Well, they would never they would never come 532 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: out as boldly as very powerfully for Jesus Christ. Only 533 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: now but all the time. Yeah. So hey, new X 534 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: ray technique validates the Shroud of Turan. Where's that article here? 535 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: Turin? 536 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: Is that Turan? Urin? Turin? Well, I don't know. I 537 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: can't spell, but I know people your language. Here the 538 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: the I can't find the Shroud of Turan. 539 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: That's the last page. 540 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: I think X ray technice. Here we go, X ray technique. 541 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: So the Shroud of Turin has long been a fascinating relic, 542 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: but this X ray forensic see the shroud. Let me 543 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: tell you what this is. You can't see this because 544 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: you're listening. I want to want to pay attention to this. 545 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: The Shroud of Turin is a rectangular piece of cloth 546 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: measuring approximately fourteen feet and five inches by three feet 547 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: seven inches, characterized by a finer weave of the three 548 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: over one herringbone pattern that is renowned for bearing a 549 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: faint brownish image. It's like a forensic photograph, an X ray, 550 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: if you will, of a man with his hands folded 551 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: over his growing area. Presently, the shroud is kept in 552 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: the cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin, Italy, 553 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: hence the Shroud of Turin, and it's revered by many 554 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: as a burial cloth of genus. Now, the reason why 555 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: this is such a controversial subject is because new or 556 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: with science. With modern science, we're always able to add 557 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: another layer of investigation into things that we have that 558 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: we can preserve it ever preserved DNA of a Tyrannosaurus, 559 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: but eventually your Jurassic Park where you could actually make 560 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: it come alive. So what they've got now is the 561 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: shroud with a new X ray technique. Scientists are saying 562 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: at the Institute of Crystallography of the National Research Council 563 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: that they studied eight samples of fabric from the shroud 564 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: that is the actual burial garment which bears the imprint 565 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: of a man killed by crucifixion. Definitely the man was crucified. 566 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: Using a method called wide angle X rays scattering, they 567 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: were able through that technology to look at the structural 568 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: integrity of the linens fibers at a molecular level, which 569 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: offered a much more precise dating, because the argument was, now, 570 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: this is really from the fourteen hundreds that they're oh, no, 571 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: dates back two thousand years ago, ladies and gentlemen. But 572 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: what is especially interesting is that because of the thickness 573 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: of the shroud, if it was a painted on image, 574 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: let's say there was like a brushwork, you know, some 575 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: artists did some artwork, it would be on the top 576 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: levels and then you might have some paint seeping through. 577 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: But this is a X ray from the bottom level 578 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: to the top imprinted, as though some bolt of light 579 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: had come into a dark room and left a photo 580 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: imprint on the cloth. The equivalent of how many thousands 581 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: of watts millions of watts would have to be flashed 582 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: on a human body to create that kind of an 583 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: X ray effect on a piece of cloth all the 584 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: way through the layers of the fabric. Hence they say 585 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: the only explanation for this is some unusual phenomena took 586 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: place to create the human imprint. It's never been repeated 587 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: in history. It would have been the moment of resurrection. 588 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: It would have been the moment light entered into that 589 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: body and left an imprint on the cloth. As resurrection 590 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: life came in Jesus did was described as the light 591 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: of the world. So that's by the way, people are asking, well, 592 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: how much light. They're saying thirty four trillion watts of energy. 593 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: Thirty four trillion watts would be required to make an 594 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: impression on a linen cloth. So if you want to 595 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: replicate this at home, why you need is thirty four 596 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: trillion watts of energy and you can create your own 597 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: three D image with a blanket on your body. So 598 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: how about them apples? No wonder people are looking at 599 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: this artifact and considering it kind of like, and you 600 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: know what else, what about we had Rick Renner here 601 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: in my studio. I forgot he was here. Rick Renner 602 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: was here, And how about that Noah's Arc. We even 603 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: have the outline of Noah's Ark on mount a Mountain 604 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: in Turkey, we have two evidences that have survived the 605 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: test of time is fascinating. The shroud, which is this 606 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: unusual photograph that happened with thirty two trillion watsworth of 607 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: light and by the way, two thousand year old fabric, 608 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: and they found the pollen itself had seeds in and 609 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: of a floral species which was unique to Palestine in Israel. 610 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: So they even have the evidence that's caught in the 611 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: fabric of certain you know, DNA seeds from the region 612 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: of Jerusalem. What else can you say the guy died 613 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: from crucifixion. I think, I think it's really the evidence 614 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: is getting pretty amazing. So I want to I want 615 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: to go when we come back in a second to 616 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: Michael Knowles and historian doctor Jeremiah Johnston, who are discussing 617 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: the Crown of Thorns. And have you noticed that Catholics? 618 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: It was, you know, Jim Cavezl's a Catholic. He plays 619 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: Jesus in the paston, he's going to play Jesus in 620 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: the movie The Resurrection. Then you got this other guy, hair, 621 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: a nice guy who's playing in the Chosen another Catholic. 622 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: Why is it with the Catholics playing all the Jesus characters. 623 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: Can't we get a can't get a Pentecostal to go 624 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: to acting school? Here, it looks like Jesus, I'm not complaining. 625 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're on the pope. Catholics are all. 626 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: But then you got Michael Knowles. Do you know how 627 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: many young men are becoming Catholic right now? They're not 628 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: becoming Evangelical, they're not becoming Pentecostal. There's an extraordinary number 629 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: of you know why, young men are craving order, structured discipline, 630 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: hierarchy challenge. That's why the Catholic Church is picking up 631 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: the numbers. As Trump would say, we'll be right back. 632 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: The entire world's current electrical generation, including renewable sources, can 633 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: produce approximately eighteen trillion watts, So it doesn't even come 634 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 2: close to what he's saying, the amount of energy required 635 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: to earn that into that piece of cloth there. 636 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, you know, I've only got nine minutes 637 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: left in this segment. I don't know if we want 638 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: to go to the historian doctor Jeremiah Jonathan discussing the 639 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: Crown of Thorns, or if we should move on you 640 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: want to do it? Well, it's two minutes. Though it's 641 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: a long video, I'll tell you it, but let's kick 642 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: it off. Let's go in and hear how it goes. 643 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 4: This is the helmet of thorns. 644 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: Yes, so I've I had heard. 645 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 5: I remember reading or hearing at some point that actually 646 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 5: it's it's like three D or not just three D, 647 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 5: but it's you know, it goes around the whole head. 648 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 4: It is really like a helmet, this crown of thorns. 649 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 4: The Gospel of Mark, which is the earliest gospel, it 650 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 4: says in the Romans fashioned a crown of thorns and 651 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 4: placed it on his head to humiliate him. This is 652 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 4: the king of the Jews. They placed this on his head. 653 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 4: And what do we see on the shroud Fifty puncture 654 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: wounds in the scalp. It would have caused profuse bleeding. 655 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 4: And so when he goes at Chohomo, you old demand. Yeah, yeah, 656 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 4: you can imagine crown of thorns blood stained. The scene 657 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 4: would have been incomprehensive. 658 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 5: It also just occurs to me looking at this for 659 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 5: people who will find it unfamiliar. So that's not what 660 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 5: the crown of thorns looks like. This is what an 661 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 5: actual crown looks like. Zac actual crowns are not headbands, 662 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 5: right if you've ever seen like the crown of Saint Stephen, yes, whatever, 663 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 5: you know, a crown in the UK. 664 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: They look like this. Yes, they cover your whole head. Huh. 665 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 4: And isn't that fascinating? This is what leaves it beyond 666 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 4: all doubt to me, speaking from a historical scholars perspective, 667 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 4: it could not be anyone other than Jesus of Nazareth. 668 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 4: My friend Bruno Barbaris who I will be with in 669 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 4: just a few weeks. And tur In, Italy has assigned 670 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 4: a probability to is this anyone other than Jesus? And 671 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 4: he's published his findings again, not a preacher, not a priest, 672 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 4: he's a mathematician at University of Turin. The probability the 673 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 4: man of the Shroud, according to mathematician Bruno Barbarius, is 674 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 4: anyone other than Jesus is one in two hundred billion. 675 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 4: So I guess there's still a chance for the skepticy. 676 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. 677 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 5: You're saying, there's a yes, but the connection being that 678 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 5: the wounds from this particular crown of thorns match the 679 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 5: Man of the shroud in a way that you know, 680 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 5: a little Laurel wreath or something wouldn't have. 681 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 4: And leaves it beyond all doubt it's anyone other than 682 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 4: Jesus of Nazareth, because the other guys didn't get this, No, 683 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 4: no one did that. We know of one in history 684 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 4: who is crucified. This is one of one, utterly unique. 685 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: Well, so I'm looking up a verse here. What's the 686 00:40:52,280 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: likelihood that everything that you just saw is related to 687 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: what the Bible says, of course about they wove a 688 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: crown of thorns, and then what they did was they 689 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: bowed down, and they put a reed in his hand, 690 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: Luke says, and then took the read out of his 691 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: hand and hit the crown of thorns, literally driving them 692 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: like spikes into his skull. And the Bible says that 693 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: not a bone of his should be broken, which is 694 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: amazing because of the brutality of what had happened, you know, 695 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: with the punching and the beating and the whipping. Not 696 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: a rib cracked, not the nose wasn't broken, but they 697 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: didn't say that it couldn't be pierced. And so that 698 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: those they pounded those nails into his head is essentially 699 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: what they were doing. And the significance of that is 700 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: that everything he endured was a part of the punishment 701 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: as an atonement is a grim and a sobering realization 702 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: that God ordained us that the suffering of the Messiah 703 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: would be in detail, that it would be managed in 704 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: a sense prophetically supervised, so that it would be random 705 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: acts of human cruelty, but none of them violating what 706 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: the scripture said would happen. It's kind of a mystery 707 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: in a way. But therefore the thorns are significant because 708 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: I would say, then the thorns must relate to some 709 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: spiritual meaning, because none of it, none of it was 710 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: without purpose. Now in Adam, when Adam and Eve fell 711 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: want you to catch this Genesis chapter three, God says 712 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: to Adam, because you listen to your wife and ate 713 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: from the tree which I commanded you not to eat. Cursed, 714 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 1: it is the ground because of you, through painful toil, 715 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: you will eat of it all the days of your life. 716 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: It will produce thorns. This is called the law first mentioned. 717 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: The first time a word is used in the Bible, 718 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: it has significance. So the thorns and thistles will be 719 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 1: produced in the earth, and you're going to you'll eat 720 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: the plants of the field but by the sweat of 721 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,720 Speaker 1: your brow you will eat your food until your return 722 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: to the ground, since from what you were taken for 723 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: dust you are, and to dust you will return. And 724 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: I remember a great old prophet visit in my church 725 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: and preached on the atonement in the Crown of Thorns, 726 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 1: and he said that what it means is that the 727 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: cross was the canceling of every curse. Jesus became a 728 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: curse for you so that you would not have to 729 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: what you would never have to be forsaken. He said, 730 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: my God, my God, why if you're forsaking me? His 731 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: death was for you so that you would not have 732 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: to receive the curse. He became a curse for you. 733 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: That means that even the curse of the unproductive ground 734 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: is broken off your life. That one of the first 735 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: manifestations that everyone can relate to is that you have 736 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: to work, You have to toil, you have to sweat 737 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: on your brow to get food in your mouth. This 738 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: has been the story of mankind laboring for the next 739 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: meal so that they could survive and maybe get clothing 740 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: or a hut or wood to burn in the winter. 741 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: And here you have the atonement in the crown of 742 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: Thorns says that this piercing of the brow that comes 743 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: with thorns, that trouble and anxiety and fear that tracks 744 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: your mind as a as a provider, as a survivor, 745 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,240 Speaker 1: that God breaks that off of you through the crown 746 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: of Thorns. Therefore, be anxious for nothing, but with everything, 747 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your request known 748 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: to God. My peace I give to you. In the world, 749 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: you'll have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I've overcome 750 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: the world. I'm with you now. Therefore, let's break anxiety 751 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: off of break the power of the piercing uncertainty and 752 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: fear of the future. I break it off of you. 753 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: And anyone who's walked deeply in the mystical union of 754 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: the Spirit of God and has done their work in 755 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: this area knows that a calmness and a serenity comes 756 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: over God's people Because the crown of Thorns was when 757 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: Jesus took upon himself the trauma of man's rebellion and 758 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: the earth not working with you. And suddenly, when that's broken, 759 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: the earth starts to work with you. You're no longer 760 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: having the labor by the sweat of your brow. But 761 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: we have a different kind of thing. It's called sowing 762 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: and reaping. Its obedience to God. It's trusting in him 763 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: and his provision. There's a different type of thing. And 764 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: it's no longer the sweat of your brow producing. It's 765 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: the sweat of his brow that broke the curse off 766 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 1: of you. And I'm saying that now because it's also. 767 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 2: The forgiveness of sins. I mean, this is rap. So 768 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if everybody watching, even the people who 769 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 2: watch on social media. Right when we say, okay, he died, 770 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 2: well why did he die? What does it matter? It's 771 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 2: just another guy dying. He died a painful death. A 772 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 2: lot of people die painful death. So so it's like, 773 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 2: why is it different? That's why I would say, lamps, 774 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 2: why is it different? 775 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? And uh man, God, and you're right, this is 776 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: this is for rabbits since they have us on Sunday morning. 777 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 2: Now, I feel like, well they might they're not in 778 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 2: church if they're watching you and me. 779 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: Well, huh, which might be their only Sunday mornings might 780 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: be their church? Exactly. I gave you the news, but 781 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: we're going to get this is the real. It's called 782 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: the good news, and the good news is that that 783 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 1: and this week would passover. The Jewish people would celebrate 784 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,760 Speaker 1: the fact that in the in the time of their history, 785 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: God passed over their sins. And while they were in 786 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: a sense having their the ritual of the of the 787 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: lamb being sacrificed, God was sacrificing his son, and Jesus 788 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: became the sacrifice for sin, so that God, having laid 789 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: all of our iniquity upon him, you could be free. 790 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: And so he took the place of the unjust. He 791 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: became in a sense, it's like justice had to find 792 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: a way of judging, and Jesus said, I'll take the penalty. 793 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,800 Speaker 1: He took the penalty, and upon him was laid the 794 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: sins of the world. So when he went into the tomb, 795 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: having never sinned, he came out with the authority to 796 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: forgive sin, because unlike us, when he died, sin had 797 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 1: no power over him because he had never sinned. So 798 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: pray this prayer with me, say Father, in Jesus' name, 799 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: I ask you to forgive my sins, and let Jesus 800 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: come into my heart now. And I give my life 801 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: to you to follow you all my days. And as 802 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: you do that and say that sincerely, resurrection life will 803 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: come alive on the inside of you.