1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime M 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: we'll go back to another edition to All the Smoke. 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Nice watch. I appreciate it bro iced for no reason. 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: We got a special guest today. MS. Taylor. Yeah, no 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: watch though, well, Taylor, thank you for your time. We 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: appreciate when you're busy. Tell you a lot going on 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: right now with the playoffs, But let's jump right into it. 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: Being a Georgia girl, what is it like? Um? Seeing 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: this Atlanta Hawks team kind of come into their own 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: led by Trey Young. Coach Natick Millon came in during 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: the season completely kind of gave this team a new identity. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: How's it been one being someone from here but then 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: also someone working in the space to see this Atlanta 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Hawk team do what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, one 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: thing about our Southern is we like to talk our ship. 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: So it's been really nice for the Hawks to be 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: good so we can just throw it in everybody's faces, 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: and not just to be good, but to have been 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: the underdogs so often and continue to come out on top. 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean I live in New York, so Knicks fans 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: were all in my ear during that series smacked him 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: six is just like, yeah, there's no way. In feeds back, 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: we go, yeah, it's gonna we're gonna win. No, no, no no, 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: and we came out on top. So it's just been 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: really nice to continue to prove people wrong, so many 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: young guys continuing to get it done. So it's nice. 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: And I was just telling Sack, I just I just 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: feel like Trey Young is the exact star for Atlanta, 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: like he just fits in the moon. The fans love him. 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: So it's really nice that I'm proud to be a 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: Hawks fan because we haven't really been in this position 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: very often. So it's been nice you speaking to Young, 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: how special is he? And how do you see this 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: series playing playing out with the books? So you know 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: the fan and me is like, we're gonna win. But 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: I actually do think we're gonna win. I think we 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: might win, and say, but the thing about Trey, So 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: I interviewed Trey two seasons ago, and I distinctly remember 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: we're sitting there in the Hawks locker room and he 41 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: said it's gone to change, like it won't be like 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: this for long. Because the question I asked him is 43 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: like you know, y'all have so much talent on this team, 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: but you're young. But how often can being young be 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: an excuse for losing? And he's like, not long, He's 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: but I promise you it is about to turn around. 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: And you're kind of like good Dre, like I hope 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: you're right, but you don't know. And he was right. 49 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many factors that play into that. 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: I think Nate McMillan is a really big one, but 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: Traders has continued to get smarter. And you know, the 52 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: teams that do well, it's when their leader they kind 53 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: of take the identity of that leader. I think the 54 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Hawks have started to do that. So definitely tell us 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: a little bit about your journey as an Atlanta sports 56 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: fan and the ups and downs and obviously where they 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: are today. Well, you know, my rule is I don't 58 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: talk about the faccons because they broke my heart Atlanta 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: that I mean, I think about that day. It was 60 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: so bad. I mean I had already booked my ticket 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: at half time for the Super Bowl parade. I still 62 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: came to Atlanta. Obviously no parade, but as a Hawks fan, 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: I just think it's been up and down. We enjoyed 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: the Al Horford years. You know that it was a 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: good time, but there's been nothing that has felt like this. 66 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: I might get killed for saying this, but I think 67 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: Trey Young will go down it's like the greatest Hawk 68 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: of all time. So it's really nice to be living 69 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: in this moment where I think the culture of basketball 70 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: in Atlanta is changing. But really I think basketball just 71 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: in the NBA is changing. This is kind of like 72 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: a watershed moment. The fact that there's so many new contenders, 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: new stars were guaranteed to see a star get a 74 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: ring that has never gotten a ring before. So it's 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: just it's a nice moment and I'm glad that Atlanta 76 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: is in. That conversation is absolutely what made you become 77 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: a sports journalist. So yeah, no, I love people, uh 78 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: and I love sports. I have a sports family. My 79 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: dad played football, My uncle was a Hall of Fame 80 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: and for the Cardinals. So it's just I grew up. Yeah, 81 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: don't don't just run over that name. He was the greatest. 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: So I miss him every single day. He just taught 83 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: me so much. But I just grew up around it 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: and it has been such a big part of me. 85 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: But one thing about me. I only like to do 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: things I'm good at. And I knew I wasn't going 87 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to be some great like bastub player a tennis layer, 88 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: but I knew I could talk. So just growing up, 89 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: that's what I was doing. I would like set up 90 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: our family's camcorder in my room and do like fake newscasts. 91 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: I'll show you all the videos and it's funny. I 92 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: was awful, but so then I just started, you know, 93 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: trying to get better. I went to college, majored in it, 94 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, now I'm doing this. But my joy, my 95 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: favorite thing is just sitting down and interviewing more than 96 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: like reporting or hosting in the studio. I like to 97 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: really have conversations like what we did when we were 98 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: talking about you know, when you realized you were black, 99 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Like that type of stuff is really important. I think 100 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: we have to have more in depth conversations and humanize 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: people and show that they're Literally is no difference between 102 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: this person you're watching on TV dunk in the basketball 103 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: and you're sitting on the couch. The only difference is 104 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: that they're good at the sport, like we all are, sad, mad, happy, frustrated, 105 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: like we all Yeah, we all literally live the exact 106 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: same life, we just do different things. And I think 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: that the more media that's out there that shows that, 108 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: the better I think the world will be in the 109 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: sport space will be. And what has your been Your 110 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: evolution and journey in this particular journalism space been like, yeah, good, 111 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: definitely ups and downs. Yeah, that's definitely anything. I think 112 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: sometimes with this it is a bit of an uphill battle, 113 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: not just being a woman, but being a black woman, 114 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: always constantly feeling like you have to prove yourself a 115 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: bit more so that you're more than just you know 116 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: this girl. Everybody wants to comment about how they look 117 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: or how they dress or whatever. Like there's so much 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: substance that goes into being a journalist, and y'all know, 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: like you cannot fake this, right, you're either good at 120 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: this and you wouldn't be in the space. But everybody 121 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: always wants to try to think of some reason why 122 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: you're there, why you're doing it, which is really a 123 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: reflection of why they're not doing it, and you know 124 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: they're just projecting that and I will I will say 125 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: that forever. So that's probably you know, the biggest thing 126 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: is just always having to to prove, to prove yourself. 127 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: And this isn't even just for women and black women, 128 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: this is for black people in general. I always say like, 129 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: if there's a black person in a certain position, I 130 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: know they're good at the job because you don't have 131 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: any other choice but to be right, Like, we don't 132 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: have the luxury of mediocrity. So whenever I see, you know, 133 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: a black host, like a black woman doing anything, I'm like, 134 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: I know you're good, and I know what you had 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: to go through to be in this position and thriving it. 136 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's ups and downs, but there's ups and 137 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: downs but with everything, and you know you're built for 138 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: the fire. So it is what it is. How did 139 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: you manimate? Report? So I had a podcast when I 140 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: was working at station in New York and it just 141 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: like started to do really well. And Bleacher saw and it 142 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: it was like, we think that you can sustain like 143 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: a show doing this, So went to Bleacher and then 144 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: started doing it. So I will say this because I 145 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: think it's important any person who talks about their journey. 146 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Hard work is a major major part of it that 147 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: any person who has done anything, luck plays a role 148 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: in and I, yeah, I don't think it's fair to 149 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: attribute everything that has happened in your life to the 150 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: fact that you worked hard and you just got done right. 151 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: Everyone works hard and everyone is talented, but things have 152 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: to go your way, and situations have to be placed 153 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: in front of you, and you have to just be 154 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: ready for those situations and those opportunities, and that's where 155 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: the hard work and the skill comes in. So I 156 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: think everyone who has ever done anything has to talk 157 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: about the luck that also came and play. So I've 158 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: worked hard, but I've also been really fortunate to be 159 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: lucky and have advocates and people that were on my side, 160 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: and so I'm really thankful. That's what we say. I mean, 161 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: to win a championship obviously good coach, good team, but 162 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: so much luck. And we could see in these particular 163 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: playoffs how stars have been kind of dropping like flies, 164 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like again, it takes 165 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: so much luck to get there and stay healthy through 166 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: the duration to actually give yourself a chance to win. 167 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: And I think that's no different in life. Like you said, 168 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: you can put it all the preparation, but just not 169 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: catch a break. Yeah, absolutely, And like that's still you know, 170 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't detract from your skill right because it's like, 171 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: were you ready when that moment called for you to 172 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: be ready? A lot of people don't know how to 173 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: be ready when they have to be. So I think 174 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: it's it's just important to know what you're good at. 175 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: I think more importantly is knowing what you're bad at. 176 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know what they're back or 177 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: don't want to admit it exactly. So I think being 178 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: self aware is a bit of a lost art. And 179 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: more importantly, a lot of people don't just know themselves. 180 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: So I just kind of encourage everyone to really sit 181 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: back and get to know you, not what everyone says 182 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: you are now you think you can be who are 183 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: you right now? On the steps you have to take 184 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: to be that person that you know in your head 185 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: you know you're meant to be. So all of that 186 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: plays a role. In all of that's really important. Share 187 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the power of social media and sports 188 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: and in particular NBA Twitter. That's a whole little universe 189 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: out of my man Josiah Johnson, U C l A. 190 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: Bruin running the space. But how powerful is social media 191 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: to today's common athlete? Yeah, it's important. I mean in 192 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: so many ways. First off, I can't watch a basketball 193 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: game without checking Josiah's Twitter, like I need to see 194 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: the gifts, I need to see the memes. I know 195 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: who catching the jokes today. It's what are gonna come 196 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: for everybody? Okay, it does not disagriminate, which is a 197 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: great part about it. But no, it's nice because when 198 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: you're watching the games, you feel like you're watching with 199 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: a family. You know, it's everyone's watching the same thing. 200 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: Adding in their comments also such a great you know, 201 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: dispersal information. I really realized that when I was in 202 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: the NBA bubble, there was so few of us there 203 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: that social media is really the only way that fans 204 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: could see what was happening and could really feel what 205 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: it was like in that Orlando bubble. So it's important. 206 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: There's so many prominent personalities that are different. You know, 207 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: you have your analytics guys and girls, you have more 208 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: like the commentary of people, more personalities, more people that 209 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: are just for the jokes, and it adds to the experience. 210 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: And I think we all know what makes us feel 211 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: like we know our favorite athletes more as well. Because 212 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: they're posting, they're tweeting, we see what they like and 213 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: what they don't like. So Twitter, I think is really important. 214 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: It brings out the best and the worst of people. 215 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: But it's a it's an important place for sure. What's 216 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: the wildest thing that's ever been said to you or 217 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: or you've seen on social media? Oh my gosh, so many, 218 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: so many. I mean, in general, I'm next to any guy, 219 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: that's just the guy I'm with. I mean, that's why 220 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: any I'm like day, I'm busy, right, But so that's 221 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: always wild. It's like people just don't know how to 222 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: see a guy and a girl next to each other 223 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: because people aren't very mature. So that that's wild. I 224 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: got some some wild things in the bubble, absolutely, but 225 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: that's really it. Like I don't really get people being 226 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: mean as much as I just get people being disrespectful, right, 227 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: And I think there's a bit of a difference to 228 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: those two things. But that's that's what I think. But 229 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: I always say, like, I think everything in life is 230 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: about volume and how much volume you give something right, 231 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: how loud or how quiet you want it to be. 232 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: And humans will have a billion really nice comments about us, 233 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: but we'll see one that's mean, and for whatever reason, 234 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: we turn up the mean one louder than we turn 235 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: up the nice ones. So just trying to program myself 236 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: to say, like, it's the nice one that you need 237 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: to give the most volume too, and that that has 238 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: certainly helped me as well, because why does this one matter? 239 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: In this ocean of goodness? Right? Sounds good? It's hard 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: to do, though, very hard to be very hard. You 241 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: can comments to find the two negative ones and be like, 242 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: why what what they even? Yeah? And from the truth? Yeah, 243 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: and they're probably following you too, which is the crazy 244 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: point why you follow? Like it's if you're not trying 245 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: to see on this, you can leave. You know, how 246 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: important is it to highlight females in the sports across 247 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: the board, whether we're playing, coaching, broadcasting, front office. Obviously 248 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: the anniversary the w n b A shout out those 249 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: those amazing women. But how important for someone like you 250 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and who women trying to follow in young girl trying 251 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: to fall on your footsteps. It's the representation. Yeah, it's 252 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: really important, you know, really just giving you know, as 253 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: much attention as one as you give to the other. 254 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: And that's something I know everyone is really trying to 255 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: get better at, including myself. Like I bought these. You 256 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: can see it's like a NBA next list, But I 257 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: was like, I need to give the w n B 258 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: A and you know you have to. You have to 259 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: really try and support both if what you're preaching is 260 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: women's empowerment and supporting women across the board. I'm a 261 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: season ticket holder for the Liberty. I don't really get 262 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: to go to games, but it's important to give them 263 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: your money, um, and you know, give them your time 264 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: as well when you can. But women, I think it's 265 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: not just that, you know, we add things to the space. 266 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: It's I think we're a very necessary part of sports. 267 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: You know, our ideas, the athletes, how great they are. 268 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: It has to be talked about, you know, as included in, 269 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: as opposed to in addition to and I think sometimes 270 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: all of us we talk about it like it's a 271 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: very nice addition. And the way that I think we 272 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: talk about female athletes definitely, the way we talk about 273 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: women's basketball just has to change so that we're putting 274 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: it on the same playing field as means and so 275 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to do that. And then female journalists 276 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: we definitely need in the space more. I love how 277 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: many black women are in the space now. Growing up, 278 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: there was like one growing by at Pam Oliver and 279 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: then eventually I had my dear friend carry you have, Jamal. 280 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: But if I had never seen someone like Pam, I 281 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: don't think I would have thought I could have done 282 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. So it's just important to 283 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: always have that that vision there um and mentorship. I 284 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: believe in each one teach one. I try to talk 285 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: to anyoneman who wants to get into the space, because 286 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: you need to know there's people in your corner and 287 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: people that have been there before. So women like y'all 288 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: can do and I know it gets hard, but it 289 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: can definitely happen. And it's on the men too, right 290 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: to try and change this kind of climate and culture. Yeah, 291 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: like it's important. It's a it's an effort for every 292 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: single person. But I do believe there's been so many 293 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: changes um in the right direction. So that makes me 294 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: feel really good. What is it like becoming a role 295 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: model for the next generation that they want to break 296 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: into the industry, Yeah, it's nice. I went to North 297 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: Carolina and t with Chris Paul. We were doing some 298 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: stulf with HBCUs and bringing like a Harvard professor. They 299 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: had to teach them to class and at the end, 300 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, everyone's going up to Chris wants to take 301 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: a picture at Chris. But then there was like a 302 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: line for me and this this there was really nice. 303 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: I was like, this is so sweet. There was a 304 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: really really sweet girl, her name is Jade, and she 305 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: had at a shirt that said like Rooks Champion, Golden 306 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: Boudet Taylor, like all the black female journalists on a shirt, 307 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm selling me. Is that people 308 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: are buying them. I would have never thought that the 309 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: impact would be like that. The black women see it 310 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: and they're like, I can be this because she did this. 311 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: And I always say one thing I really like is 312 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: I think I'm a black woman that looks black right, 313 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: Like I got my hair, I got a big nose, 314 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: I got high cheek, phones on brown skin. Like I 315 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: think people look at me and they see themselves, you know, 316 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: more than they might feel like there's this like an 317 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: unattainable look, something they think they might not ever be. 318 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: That's really really important to me. I never want to 319 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: feel unattainable to my own people. And that comes not 320 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: just in the way I look, but I think the 321 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: way I talk, and the fact that I want to 322 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: be friends with anyone who wants to be here, and 323 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, I want to carry myself with grace and 324 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: elegance and class and intelligence because I don't want women 325 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: to feel like they have to throw one of those 326 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: things away to do what they want to do. And 327 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: I understand and why you see things where you feel 328 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: like you might have to do that, and that's a 329 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: whole another conversation. But just because it feels like the 330 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: popular thing might not be the right thing for you, 331 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you've got to decide to do the 332 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: wrong thing. So that's really what I want. I want 333 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: women to know, especially Black women, because they're always going 334 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: to try to look for something to say you did this, 335 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be here. It's important to be smart and 336 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: know that, like your power is in you and you're 337 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: not going to get that from anywhere else or by 338 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: trying to be something else. It's really nice. I enjoy it. 339 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: Piggyback and off of that, what is the message you 340 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: try to drive home to the youth that are trying 341 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: to come up in this space? Mm hmmm. A couple 342 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: of things I'd say and It sounds cliche, but you 343 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: have to just be who you are. I think that 344 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: when you're starting, you think that you have to play 345 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: the role of a journalist, and when you're doing that, 346 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: you're not really unlocking your true power and the thing 347 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: that makes you differ front, which is what you're going 348 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: to bring to sports media. You know, like, don't act 349 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: like what you think you should act like. Just act 350 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: like you, so be you is number one. Don't limit yourself. 351 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: I think it's number two. When I first started, I'm like, Okay, 352 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: I can just be in the studio and talk about 353 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: the news of the day. That was what I thought. 354 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: But the more I did this, and like I can 355 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: do a bunch of things and I don't just have 356 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: to talk about football. I can talk about basketball. I 357 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: can also go and hose the celebrity basketball game. Like 358 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: I can go into all these different spaces and still thrive. 359 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: But you create the box and you stay in the box. 360 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: You've got to really be the space that you take 361 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: up as opposed to just being in this in this 362 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, this tiny space for yourself. So those are 363 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: those are the two things I would say. And also listen, um, 364 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: so many people will send me like their resume reels 365 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: with types of interviews that they did, and you go 366 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: into that interview and you're not listening to the person 367 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: because you're so focused on just like asking whatever is next, 368 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: And so you missed a good follow up, You missed 369 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: the real conver station because you're like, Okay, I just 370 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: gotta get my ship off, you know. So listening to 371 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: people you know with the with the intent to understand 372 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: and not just to reply, I think as a lost 373 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: kind of art um and interviewing and journalism. So those 374 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: are probably the three. There's so many more, but I 375 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: think that's what's most important. You touched on this earlier. 376 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: How important is that sisterhood for you women in that space? 377 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: Halve Carry has been on the program, Jamal has been 378 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: on the program to people who are doing really well. 379 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: You mentioned Pam all over before. But how important is 380 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: that to being able to have some big sisters to 381 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: lean on and teach you to rope, similar to have 382 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: an e vet in the league, Like when we first 383 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: came in the league. I was just gonna say that 384 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: it's the exact same as having a vet. You need 385 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: somebody to tell you do this. But girl stopped doing this, 386 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: you know. And that's one thing I love so much 387 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: about Carrie is I mean I've had carry comedy and 388 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: be like we gotta stop, you know what I mean, 389 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: Like and we will have these real conversations about what's 390 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: going on, and you know, what is the right thing 391 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: and the wrong thing. Like I love Carrie for I 392 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: know I can always call her and ask her advice, 393 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: and it goes beyond just work, Like we talk about life. Right. 394 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: She has gotten me through breakups, you know what I mean. 395 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: Like she is just she's great and the only people 396 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: that will really understand what it is like to be 397 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: a black woman to media or other black women in media. 398 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: So you need that relatability and that true sisterhood somebody 399 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: that they can really guide you. So, you know, shout 400 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: out to Carrie and Maria and Roz and Jamal and 401 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean even people like Bamani Jones. Like it's important 402 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: to have those that understand that you can just bounce 403 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: ideas off of and and just keep you right. That's 404 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: what the Vets do. They keep you right. Quick hitters. 405 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: First thing that comes to mind, I ask you these 406 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: top five Atlanta athletes of all time? Oh okay, Michael Vick. 407 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: That's my number one. Easy. I'm gonna say Julio even 408 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: though he broke my heart and left. I know, I 409 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: gotta say Trey Young. The got to say Dominique Wilkins. 410 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: You bet not missed this last one. I'm missing a 411 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: big one, right, yes you are. Let me think the 412 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: Falcons to the Hawks? What sport? Two sports? But these 413 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: are just my favorites right at the best. Okay, she 414 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: might be a little too young to to really catch 415 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: what he was one. I know you're talking about I'm 416 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: trying to think. Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking about the 417 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: people that I have an emotional tie so that I 418 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: grew up watching Thick m I don't know where you 419 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: gotta say Roddy White. Oh my god, Dean Sanders is 420 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: my phone background, and I know Dean gonna see this. 421 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: I love Diane. I wasn't thinking about it, Okay by 422 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: time I got you know, I love Yeah, I love 423 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: Dion and he knows it too. I mean I talked 424 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: about Diane all the time, every every time there's NFL draft. 425 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: I posted NFL Draft it was like the most iconic 426 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: with the curl and everything. Thank you for saying that, 427 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: because he would be like dang, No, yeah, you gotta 428 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: put Dan in there. I was trying to more. I 429 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: was thinking, is they're like a U G A guy 430 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm forgetting about. But I'll go with those sound track 431 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: to Your Life give me three songs in rotation. Oh 432 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: my goodness, that is such a tough one. Who This 433 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: is gonna sound weird, but I heard it so much 434 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: in high school. Nuck if you buck? That was like 435 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: that was it? Someone where you're from? Without saying where 436 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: you When I think of high school, I think of 437 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: that song, right, So I say, nugg if you buck. 438 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: Lauren Hale is my absolutely favorite singer. So I go 439 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: X factor a song. Yeah, I go X Factor by 440 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: Lauren Hill, and I'm gonna go no wait, I'm gonna 441 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: get rid of X Faction. I'm gonna do prototype Outcast 442 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: what about Cast? Love that song? And I don't know, 443 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: I feel like my generation like you have to feel 444 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: like a Drake song in there. Mm hmmm. I think 445 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: I will go. I'll do a new one. I'll do 446 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: laugh now car later. Yeah, sorry too. I probably should 447 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: have put Amigo a dream interview male and female female 448 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: Serena Williams. Male was Barack Obama, but I got that 449 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: um male. I will say this is a weird answer, 450 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: but I want to interview this person because no one 451 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: has interviewed him Kauai. One it's really sat down with Kauai, 452 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: and I just feel like that's missing. Like one day 453 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: he has to do a real in depth, like hour 454 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: long talk. So I would love to to really talk 455 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: to her. I played with him, we had some some 456 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: nights in my carib some talk, so I know, I 457 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: know when it does happen, it's gonna be that one 458 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: because I've been talking to his cousin for like two years. 459 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: But like, I don't be tun in like I just 460 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: more so I'm so interested in him as a human 461 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: period right Like and now it's like anytime he does anything, 462 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: we just think it's the best thing ever. He laughed. 463 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, that's quiet, like and he 464 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: says something. I want to hear him really really say something. 465 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: I kept on thinking in the bubble i'd have like 466 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: a moment to talk to him, but he really is 467 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: just like reserved. He would he'd go eat and go 468 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: back and then talk to nobody. So one day I'd 469 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: like to interview Kauai for he did reach out with 470 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: some all the smoke gifts, so I signed it to himself. 471 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: Five best games You've ever been to? Oh, that's a 472 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: good one. I've been in some good games. A lot 473 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: of the ones. I think about our college though Big 474 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: Ten championship when Ohio SA b Wisconsin and then they 475 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: went on to win the college football playoffs first year. 476 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: That's like my number one game. When Illinois b Indiana 477 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: when Indiana was number one. It was like Victor Ladipo's 478 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: team loved Brandon Paul. They did that old Phoenix Sun 479 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: play before Phoenix Suns did. Honestly, like all the games 480 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: in the bubble, that game Jazz Nuggets. Yeah, but I 481 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: mean that last one Mitchell was on the floor. I 482 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: mean that game was so good when I think Luca 483 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: was playing the Clippers and that dagger. Yep, that was 484 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: a great game. And so we were doing the Twitter show, 485 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: so I was in the building, but not at the 486 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: actual games. I could here. But when the Rafters beat 487 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: the Celtics on that O Gana nob shot, that was 488 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: a crazy game. I ran over there to see the end. 489 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: So those are those the five I'd say, like bubble 490 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: basketball was some of the most exciting basketball for me 491 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: and just really my favorite journalistic thing I've ever done. 492 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: So those are those the five. I mean, we didn't 493 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: really touch on that, but we'll take a break from 494 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: our quicker talk on that. That bubble experience. How was 495 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: that for you as a journalist. How was it for 496 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: you being isolated, why the world was going crazy, and 497 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: how was it being able to see, like you said, 498 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: some of the best basketball you've ever seen. Yeah, I 499 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: mean it was definitely like a mix of emotions at 500 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: different times. You know, you get there for seven days, 501 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: you can't leave the room, so you're lonely, you're side, 502 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: you're like, dang, like I want to like go out 503 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: and you know, be out and about people that have 504 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: already finished their quarantine. Then you know, we're also in 505 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: there when Jacob Blake happens. That's why I thought it 506 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: was really important that there were so many black media 507 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: members there because the players really wanted to discuss us 508 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: it and they wanted to feel comfortable discussing it. You know, 509 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: we were there when they were all in that big 510 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: ballroom having to talk about whether they were going to 511 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: leave the bubble or not, and it was important there 512 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: are people there that understood and knew that. The question 513 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't all have been like are you all going to play? 514 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 1: The question should be like are you okay? Right? Like 515 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: what is it like for you seeing this? How are 516 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: you doing? Mentally? Was really really important. But I think 517 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: I will not ever do anything I liked more than 518 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: that experience. If tomorrow they were like, go to the bubble, 519 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: would you have to be there? I was there for 520 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: two months. I would have been there a little longer, 521 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: but I left early for my uncle Lew's funeral. Yes, absolutely, 522 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: rest in peace. So it was. It was great. It 523 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: was like summer camp. And one thing I don't think 524 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: it's talked about enough about the bubble. I know there 525 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: were guys there that loved it so much because you 526 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: almost had no responsibility, Like you got to escape from 527 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: whatever your life was outside, just just for a bit. 528 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: And I think people eatd that that refresher. All you 529 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: had to do was worried about basketball. I think the 530 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: cool thing was to say how much you didn't like 531 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: the bubble. But they liked that bubble. If anyone, I 532 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: always say it, but they they enjoy being that bubble. 533 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: You could play a game, you got to go drink 534 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: at the ball, you go to the pool. It was 535 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: a really nice time and I think I did some 536 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: of my most important work when I was top three 537 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: celebrity basketball players. Okay, this is easy Cevo, Chris Brown, 538 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: little Dirk Like they're actually good, right, I mean, you 539 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: know it's good for someone that's not a Yeah. Last question, 540 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: who do you want to see on All the Smoke? 541 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: And before you answer us, you have to help us 542 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: get your answer on the show. Mmm, who would I 543 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: like to see on Hon the Smoke? Not Ka because 544 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: I want no J Cole. I'd love to see J 545 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: Cole and All the Smoke because that would be really nice. 546 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: And I feel like y'all can get J Cole. Yeah, 547 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: keep me talking and he wants to talk hoops. I 548 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: love to get on here. Well, Taylor Rooks, thank you 549 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: very much. Thank you for having me giving us some 550 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: of your time. I am an avid All of Smoke watcher, 551 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: so when I was asked to come on, I said, 552 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: tell me when, tell me where, let me get cute. 553 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: I'm there. You did that, Thank you, thank you. And 554 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: before we end, I do want to say shout out 555 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: to you guys, because you guys have done something that 556 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: is really hard to do in media, which is create 557 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: an environment like people come on here. They know they 558 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: can be themselves, they can talk freely there with their peers. 559 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: If they have anything they want to get off their 560 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: chest in a way that will work, they come here. 561 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: So just shout out to y'all from making a transition 562 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: that people underestimate how difficult it is to make. So 563 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: I I love this show. I love what you guys 564 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: meant sports and a culture. So thank you for having 565 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Well, that's a wrap, Taylor Rooks. You can 566 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the I Heart 567 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week. A 568 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: piece of eight down Bound. This is all a smoke, 569 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio 570 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: in partnership with Showtime