1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's sitting in for Dave. Let's get 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: started with the wave. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: I am glad you did this. I was kind of 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: curious about the origins of the old wave. 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know what you mean. Yeah. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: It's now kind of all over the world in various places, 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: But it started out as an American thing that people 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: would do in the stands at sports games, where one 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: bit at a time, and all around the whole stadium, 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: people would stand up and raise their arms up over 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: their head, and if you look at it as it 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: goes around the stadium, it looks like a wave is 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: moving across the fans. 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because after they raised their arms over their heads 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: standing up, they would sit back down and the next 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: section would do it and it would just move seamlessly 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: when done correctly. For my money, it's one of the 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: best things that could ever happen to you is to 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: be in a really good wave. Oh my god, I 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: find them so thrilling. I was really surprised to find 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: that some people not only hate the wave, they're like 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: they denigrate people who like the wave or who do 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: the wave. Okay, don't get it. What do you think 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: about the wave? 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: I was afraid you're gonna ask me that I knew it. 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: I'm not a waiver per se. I don't bemoan it. 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: I'm not one of these people that's like there's a 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: game going on, blah blah blah. Okay, nothing like that. 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: I just I got to a certain point where I like, 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to just stand up and throw my 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: arms in the air and wave them like. 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: I just don't care. 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: Sometimes if I'm in the right mood and this is 35 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: so lazy, I won't stand up, but I'll throw my 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: arms up just to be, you know, kind of. 37 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 3: A good sport. 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: I've seen that, sure, And you know. 39 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: Now that Ruby is old enough to go to sporting events, 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: I will of course do full wave participant because that's 41 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: something like a kid would really enjoy. I'm not gonna 42 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna rain on her parade. 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And now that I think about it, I might 44 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: like the wave so much because I haven't done it 45 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: since I was a kid, essentially, so they. 46 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: Don't do it at the Wrigley Field. We went through 47 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: the Cubs game together. 48 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: And I don't think there was a wave was there, No, 49 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: they didn't, and Chuck, I was watching videos of waves today. 50 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: They are a sorry shadow of their former self. If 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: you want to see a good wave, I found a 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: video called the Wave at Michigan Stadium nineteen eighty four. 53 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: That's a wave the way that we used to do 54 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: it in the eighties. So go check that video out 55 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: and you'll be like, Wow, that's a pretty good wave. 56 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 3: Wave Michigan Stadium, huh. 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: Yep, nineteen eighty four. Don't forget that part. So as 58 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: wholesome as I think the wave is, it turns out 59 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: there's actually like a fair bit of controversy around it, 60 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: specifically around who invented the wave. And what's mind boggling 61 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: is there's two people who claim to have invented it, 62 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: and they seem to have independently come up with it 63 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: or debuted it within two weeks of one another. 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: In that nuts Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty crazy story, 65 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: and crazy being the key word here because crazy with 66 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: the K. George Henderson is our first entrant into the 67 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: wave invention sweepstakes because he was a San Jose Jose 68 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: State cheerleader who graduated college I guess, and this is 69 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies and then was just sort of 70 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: a freelance cheerleader for different pro teams and was working 71 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: an a's game on October fifteenth, nineteen eighty one, a 72 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: baseball game for the Oakland Athletics playing the Yankees in Oakland, 73 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: And you can watch this on YouTube footage from that 74 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: game where Crazy George has a drum and he gets 75 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: fans to do a version of the wave. In this version, though, 76 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: it's sort of one section goes and then the next 77 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 2: section goes, whereas a true wave is just a continuous 78 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: sort of motion and sections be damned. 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's much more fluid. But there are a couple 80 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: of points in that footage of that first wave in 81 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, in October fifteenth, where they're going fast 82 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: enough that it seems like there it does look like 83 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: a wave for a second. But I get what you're saying. 84 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: It's not what he was doing, right. 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was a version. It was a proto wave. 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a proto wave. But Crazy George Henderson says, no, 87 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: this was the wave. I've been working on this for years. 88 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Before that game in Oakland, he used to be a 89 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: professional cheerleader at the Colorado Rockies NHL franchise games in 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: Denver back in the late seventies, and he started coming 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: up with the wave there, but there were so few 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: people at those games it didn't really amount to very much. 93 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: And also these games weren't very well covered, so he 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: never got people to do the wave in any substantial 95 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: way on camera. It wasn't until that Oakland A's game 96 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: that he was able to document it on camera, posted 97 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: it on the Internet and was like, ipso facto, I 98 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: created the wave. 99 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: That's right. 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: And if stop your email now, if you're thinking, Josh, Josh, 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: the Colorado Rockies are a baseball team that weren't even 102 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: around in the seventies, that was an NHL franchise first, 103 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: and they would eventually become the New Jersey Devils. 104 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: I had it right, You had it right. 105 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: The second entrant into the Wave sweepstakes is a guy 106 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: named Rob Weller. He's from Tacoma, Washington, and. 107 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: Was this is so great. 108 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: He was known as the yel King aka the greatest 109 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: cheerleader in U dub history. So he would go on 110 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: to host Entertainment Tonight in the early eighties. So I 111 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: was a big fan because I was a little ten 112 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: year old that loved Entertainment Tonight. 113 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Do you remember him? 114 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? 115 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: Oh really? Okay? Cool? 116 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: Oh dude, I watched Entertainment Tonight every night. I remember 117 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: when it debuted. I was so excited. It's really funny 118 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: because it was like movie news and that's all I 119 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: cared about. Okay, but he called his and I'm surprised 120 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: this didn't Frankly, surprises didn't stick. 121 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: He called it the expandable cheer. 122 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: Right, he had like the right idea. At first, he 123 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: was just going the wrong way. So he did the wave. 124 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: He had people do the wave, but it was section 125 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: by section and it would go from bottom to top. 126 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 127 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: So at this one game on Halloween nineteen eighty one, 128 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: two weeks after that, Oakland A's game, he was having 129 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: people do the Expandable cheer, and at halftime the band 130 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: director Bill Bissell, came over. He said, he let me 131 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: ask you something. Have you ever thought about taking that 132 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: expandable wave and sending it outward rather than upward and 133 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: the wrong way? Rob Weller picked his jaw off the ground. Yeah, 134 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: hugged Bill Bissel tighter than he's ever hugged anybody else 135 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: in his life. And set about starting the wave. 136 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: That's right, And maybe we should take a break here 137 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: and talk about the fight that ensued right after this. Okay, 138 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: So these two guys both lay claim to the wave. 139 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: They have thought about it in a very childish manner 140 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: over the years. I think it's fairly tongue in cheek. 141 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: It's gotta be, you don't think so. 142 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's possible, but it's also possible that 143 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: it's not really all that tongue in cheek. 144 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: Okay. 145 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Well Bissell, the band director that you mentioned before that 146 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: expanded it outward with Weller's content, says, well, first of all, 147 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: that other wave, it's not a true oval. There was 148 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 2: a baseball stadium. It's a diamond, and so that doesn't count. 149 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: I throw water all over that argument, because you could 150 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: do a wave in a square room. You could do 151 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: it in a yeah, a literal square room, as long 152 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: as you kept that motion constant. 153 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: Right. He also pointed out the whoopoo on that. Sure. 154 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: His second point was that it was nothing more than 155 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: a stand up cheer section by section. Right, He's got 156 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: a point there, He definitely has a point there. He 157 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: goes on to say in the press as far as 158 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm concerned, crazy George can climb a hole and sit 159 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: on it, which is an awful thing to say, because 160 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen the victims of Vlodny and Paler, 161 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: that's not a pleasant way to go. 162 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: Oh, he meant him being paled. 163 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: No, but he didn't think it through. He didn't think 164 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: about the consequences. Bill Bissel didn't. 165 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 166 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: By the mid nineteen eighties, the wave had really caught 167 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: on the No matter who invented it, every stadium had 168 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: their own version. It might have a special name. I 169 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: believe Michigan that you talked about had what was called 170 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: the silent Waves. 171 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: Creepy. 172 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: Some places they would jingle their car keys stuff like that. 173 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes it got really creative and the waves would would 174 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: go around opposite each other and. 175 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: Meet in the middle. 176 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: It's awesome, But this is about when people started saying, 177 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: this thing is sort of disrupting my enjoyment of the 178 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: game a little bit. 179 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, just real quick, can't you see somebody doing a 180 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: jingling car keys wave, Like, stand up and they don't 181 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: have any keys and they sit down and they're like, 182 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I really need to get. 183 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: A car, yeah, or the key fob just doesn't. 184 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Do the same, right, So what was this nineteen eighty 185 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: four that it had really kind of spread in just 186 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: a few years. Yeah, that was in America, in the 187 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: United States. I should say, for the rest of the world, 188 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: if you're talking about the wave, you might be listening 189 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: and being like, I think I know what they're talking about. 190 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: We don't call it the wave. We call it the 191 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: Mexican Wave. And that's true. So the rest of the 192 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: world outside of the United States calls the wave the 193 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: Mexican Wave. And there's a really good reason why. 194 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: That's right, because it started in Mexico, that's right, specifically, 195 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: or it was spread internationally in Mexico rather. 196 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it started in the United States and it 197 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: spread like a wave down to Mexico. And Mexico hosted 198 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: the World Cup in nineteen eighty six, and by this time, 199 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: the people of Mexico had been doing the wave for years, 200 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: and during a game, they did the wave and the 201 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: world was just taken aback and fell in love with 202 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the wave. And still today you can see football games, 203 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: meaning soccer where people are doing the wave. They love it, 204 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: but they call it the Mexican Wave. 205 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: That's right. 206 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: And if you're sitting at home, thinking, well, guys, this 207 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: is pretty good. I know little history here, but I mean, 208 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: you guys usually dig into the science of things, sir. 209 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: Surely there's been a scientific studies about the wave, right, Yeah, 210 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 2: believe it or not. 211 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: There have been. 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, there was some physicists from 213 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,119 Speaker 2: the Hungarian Academy of Sciences that built computer models analyzing 214 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: lots and lots of waves at sporting events. 215 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 3: They actually released this. 216 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: In Nature, the periodical Nature very respected and NPR reported 217 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: on it, and they had three key parameters that they 218 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: kind of looked at, which was the distance between the 219 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: sports goers, how many neighbors that an audience member an 220 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: audience member, that's a weird way to say somebody at 221 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: a football game, but whatever, how many. 222 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: Neighbors that you could see. 223 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: And then the readiness or probability of an individual to 224 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: start standing up, assuming others nearby are already standing. What 225 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: in the world does that even mean. 226 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: It's saying whether the person involved as a grump or not. 227 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: How many grumps do you have in the stands? Essentially right. 228 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: Interestingly, out of all this, I think the most interesting 229 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: part is that they narrowed it down to like twenty 230 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: or thirty people is all it takes to start a wave. 231 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, not only that, they roll clockwise almost invariably, and yeah, 232 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: they move at a speed of about twenty seats per second, 233 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: these scientists figured out. But yeah, that is that's not 234 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: very many people to start a wave, especially if the 235 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: crowd's in a good mood. And that's a really important point. 236 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: If you start a wave at a critical moment in 237 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: a game, you're going to get shouted at, even by 238 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: people who liked the wave, because that is the wrong 239 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: time to do it. There's a time for the wave 240 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: and there's a time for not the wave. 241 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to picture, like, you know, bottom of 242 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,119 Speaker 2: the nine, two outs, bases loaded, and guy's. 243 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Like, come on, everybody, Yeah, let's give them a wave. 244 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you're not supposed to do it. 245 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Do it when it's a little boring and the crowd 246 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: needs you know, everyone's drinking a little bit, everyone's having 247 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: a good time. 248 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: Maybe they're a little bored. 249 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 2: Maybe they're up seven to nothing in a baseball game 250 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: at the home field, and so people are like, well, 251 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: let's do something. That's a great time to start the wave. 252 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: I've never started a wave I've been a part of. 253 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: The saddest thing is when someone attempts to start the 254 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: wave and it just doesn't happen. 255 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very shame sit down, Yeah it is. 256 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: It's like being the one person to start the standing 257 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: ovation and no one else liked the show as much 258 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: as they did. 259 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 260 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: The great comedian Gary Gollman talks about standing ovations and he's. 261 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 3: Like, you're going to be standing in a minute to 262 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: leave anyway. 263 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: Right, you might as well, right, exactly. So there are 264 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: people out there who are like, I don't like the wave. 265 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: I don't like it if we're up seven to nothing, 266 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't like it. If it's a boring game. People 267 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: need to be paying attention to the game, and if 268 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: you are into the wave, you're not a real sports fan. 269 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: Some people think like that. 270 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: Right announcers. You'll hear announcers get grumpy about it sometimes. 271 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: So, yeah, some people who don't like it say that 272 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: it detracts focus from the game. Other people are like, 273 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you do it at the wrong time, 274 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: you could cost the home team the game. Now, the 275 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: chances of that are pretty slim, but those things have 276 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: enough momentum that there was a website called Stopthewave dot Net, 277 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: which is now a Facebook group and Tumblr. The Texas 278 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: Rangers on their scoreboard. They had a message back in 279 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two that said that fans participating the wave 280 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: risk pulled muscles and that children found doing it will 281 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: be sold to the circus. And funny even Weller, Rob Weller, 282 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: your friend from entertainment. Tonight he turned on his own creation. 283 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: If he was actually the creator, he was going to 284 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: start a stop the Wave movement with bumper stickers and everything, 285 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: and then he stopped himself. He realized, like people still 286 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: like it. It brings people joy. Who am I to 287 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: try to get people to stop doing it? 288 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: That's right, And he's a great man. He's no John Tesh. 289 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: But I say keep the wave going, even though I'm 290 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: not the most enthusiastic waiver and stop that tomahawk chop 291 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves and Kansas City chiefs in Florida State seminoles. 292 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's as pernicious as kudzu. 293 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: Do the wave instead. 294 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: That's it for short stuff. Everybody. Short Stuff is out. 295 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: Stuff he should know is a production of iHeartRadio. 296 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: For more podcasts my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio, app, 297 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.