1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Hey, and Nett, it's Maggie. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: Hi. It's nice to meet you. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Nice to meet you too. Can you hear me? 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: All right? I can? 5 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 3: Awesome. 6 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: It's a little lad on this end, and I apologize. 7 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: It's an open bay phone system, so it's going to 8 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: be noisy at times. It's the lun shower here. 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Annette Cahill is the first person I have spoken with 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: who lived their entire life before being arrested, charged, and 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: convicted for a crime they say they did not commit. 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm just kind of cheerful. Hey, cry real eazy. 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: She's sixty one, has a husband, children, great grandchildren, and 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: five years ago that all got taken away. Tell me 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: about being in your sixties in prison. I mean, it's 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: not like you grew up there, you just stopped. 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: So it is every day is culture fact, It really 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: truly is. There's nothing about prisons where I think I'm 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: going to get used to this someday. This is a nightmare. 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: And I know you've been painted a certain way in 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: the media, so I want to give you the opportunity 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: to talk about who you really are. 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, that would be refreshing. My name is 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: Annett K. Hill and I have been wrongfully incarcerated for 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: almost exactly five years. It happened on September nineteenth, twenty nineteen. 26 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: This is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling today A net 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: K Hill. A net K Hill was born December twelfth, 28 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: I grew up in a little tiny town of let's 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: than four hundred people, Nichols, Iowa. And it was, oh gosh, 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: so dunk, itty bitty, And you know, it was the cliche. 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: We grew up so poor. We didn't know we were poor. 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: Money was tight raising seven kids. 34 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: It goes myself, Laurie, Renee, Denny, Charlie, Mike, and Tom. 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: And Renee and Denny were four years apart, but the 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: rest of us are all just two years apart. Wow, Yeah, 37 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: we're Catholic. 38 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: Did you guys grow up going to church? 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: We did until I think I was six when we 40 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: stopped going. I don't know if it was actually true 41 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: or not, but it was kind of family lare that 42 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: it had something to do with the dispute with the 43 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: church about paying for a pew, a church fundraiser paying 44 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: for a few That's what we always heard, so we 45 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: quit going to church. Mom said I could, so I did. 46 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: A Net's mom stayed home raising the kids, and Annette's 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: dad spent most of his time working. 48 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: And it was a feed company, and then he farmed 49 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: on the side. 50 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: Annette rarely got to spend time with her dad, but 51 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: when she did, it. 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: Was always on Sundays. We would take a ride in 53 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: the truck and we would pick bluebells. And his mom 54 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: loved bluebell so we would pick her bouquets of bluebells 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: and take them to her, and that was just a 56 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: fun time. I think it was just to get out 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: of mom's hair that he would pick us rolls out. 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: It didn't cost a thing, it was just to spend time. 59 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: But Annette says her dad's main priority was to keep 60 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: food on the table. 61 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: He was just always working. And then he had a 62 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: stroke and my mom went to work then at a 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: company in West Liberty, West Liberty Oil. 64 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: And that says it was tough providing even just the 65 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: basics for seven kids on one parent income, So she 66 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: and her siblings would work in the fields sorting out 67 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: good corn from bad. 68 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: Corn what we used to call the roguan cut corn 69 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: out of beans in the summer and be castled and 70 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: not a steady job, but always doing something, always earning 71 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: money on the side. 72 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: And that was the youngest of the seven, so she 73 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: says she had it easier than her older siblings. 74 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 2: Being the youngest, it was almost like Mom got tired 75 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: and just let me do whatever I wanted. 76 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: And what she wanted was to be out causing mischief 77 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: with all the other kids. 78 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: We ran the town of Nickels, it was, and there 79 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: was nothing to do. There really wasn't. We didn't We 80 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: didn't do anything horrible. We just did good things. We 81 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: stayed out late. We you know, we got on top 82 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: of the buildings downtown. We would climb the back of 83 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: buildings and watch traffic go by. Stupid things like that. 84 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: But in a small town after a while, Annette says, 85 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: there's not much to do to help you stay out 86 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: of trouble. 87 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: We drank very early. We found, you know, found people 88 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: that would buy us beer, being young girls, and we 89 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: drank early, and we smoked. And I think the very 90 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: first time I got drunk, I seriously drunk. I was thirteen. 91 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: I could go to my brother Denny's house, and I 92 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: could drink anytime I wanted. Yeah, it was it became 93 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: a habit real quick after that. 94 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: When Annette was fifteen, she dropped out of school. 95 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: My mom did not make me go to school. I 96 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: was bored in school and I wanted to be out 97 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: having fun. 98 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Anette got her ged at community college and continued her 99 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: party lifestyle. She started working in restaurants and bars. 100 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: You know, it was just an easy way for an 101 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: alcoholics to get free drinks. 102 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: Then at eighteen, she met a. 103 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: Boy and I got pregnant. So we got married and 104 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: we had two children. 105 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: My name is Leanne macrab and I am Anette Cahill's daughter. 106 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: Leanne is a Net's oldest daughter. She was born in 107 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, and she remembers Anette struggling those early 108 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: years of parenthood. 109 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: Sometimes she'd work one job, sometimes she'd work two jobs. 110 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes she couldn't get a job. There were times when 111 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: I'd have to get my brother up and get him 112 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: dressed and take him across town, which wasn't really very far, 113 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: but take him across town to my grandparents' house so 114 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: that we could eat breakfast. Because it never food in 115 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: the house. We wouldn't have electricity, things like that, you know, 116 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: we never were We never had any extra money to 117 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: do anything. 118 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: So, like her dad had done for her and her siblings, 119 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: Andette figured out how to have fun with her kids 120 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: without spending money. 121 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 3: We would still have you know, games in the dark, 122 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: or we would you know. We lived in Iowa, where 123 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: cans popcns were worth five cents. We would go looking 124 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: for cans and then we would go find the silliest 125 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: dinners for five cents per can, so we would buy 126 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: the silliest dinners from the gas station. She never let 127 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: us know how much we were struggling. 128 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: But they were. And Nette was a teen mom trying 129 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: to keep her life and her children's afloat. 130 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: I wasn't a bad mom. I just wasn't the best 131 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: mom I could be. Looking back, I was young and dumb, 132 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: and I could have been a much better mom. 133 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Annett's marriage was also rocky. At twenty six, she got 134 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: divorced and her drinking and partying took over. 135 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: As we were divorcing, then I hit the bars and 136 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: that's when I met Corey. 137 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: Corey Winnicky. 138 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: He was funny, he was sweet, he was kind. He 139 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: was a sweetheart. He really was. 140 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Corey had been the star football player in high school. Handsome, 141 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: charming and popular. 142 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember if the first time I met him. 143 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: I think I got called to the bar. I was 144 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: seeing someone and the person that I was seeing like 145 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: passed out at the bar, so I had to go 146 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: get him. And I think Corey was in there at 147 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: that time, so that I'm pretty sure that was the 148 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: very first time I met him. 149 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: The bar was called Winks, and Corey worked there. In fact, 150 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: his family owned it. Winks was a nickname for Winnicky, 151 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: and it was one of the two bars in the 152 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: tiny town of West Liberty. 153 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: Everybody hung out at Winks, Winks and Shenanigans. 154 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Annette wound up working at Winks with Corey. 155 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: We just became really good friends and. 156 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: They spent all their time together. 157 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: I loved him so much. 158 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: Leanne remembers Corey. 159 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: We'd go to his bar, we'd playpool, He'd give us 160 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: bags of chips. We'd fall asleep in the in the 161 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: booths while mom was working. I mean, it was the eighties, 162 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 3: early nineties. It wasn't unheard of. It wasn't taboo back 163 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: then to have your kids in a bar. We'd hang out, playpool. 164 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: Everyone knew who we were, and we knew that Corey 165 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: was her best friend. 166 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: But Annette and Corey's relationship was more than platonic. 167 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: It was a sexual relationship with the friendship could. We 168 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: would be at the bar tall closing, We'd make sure 169 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: everybody was gone, and we would either stay at the 170 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: bar or we would spend a lot of afternoons together. 171 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: You know, we'd find another person to bartend and we'd 172 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: both take off right. You know, we just spent every 173 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: minute we did together. 174 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: But it was complicated. 175 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: He had a fiance, a fiance. 176 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: Corey was engaged to his high school sweetheart, Jody Hats. 177 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: But it wasn't just Jody he was. 178 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 2: With, you know. It was a standing joke that he 179 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: had relationships with everybody in Mescatine County. 180 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: Did his fiance know? Yes. Eventually, a friend of Jody's 181 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: would tell the press that she knew of Corey's affairs, 182 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: and back in nineteen ninety two, Annette knew as well 183 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: about his affairs and his fiance. 184 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I knew it, and I really didn't care. 185 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like he didn't care either. 186 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: He didn't care at all. I did care, I just 187 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: didn't care enough. It was I just didn't care enough. 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: It was very hurtful and I know that now. 189 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting just thinking about this small 190 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: town and it sounds like everyone was hooking up with everyone. 191 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It really truly was it was. We 192 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: ust call it Peyton Place. 193 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: What's that? 194 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. If you don't remember Peyton Place, I'm sorry. 195 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: You'll have to look that one up on the YouTube. 196 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: Okay, A nineteen sixty four drama, got it. 197 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: It was a soap operas, That's basically what it was. 198 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: And Nett says everyone was partying and hooking up with 199 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: each other. She was also seeing other people. 200 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't exclusive in any way, shape or form. It 201 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: was never going to be. 202 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: And and Nette says she had bigger worries at the 203 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: time as her alcohol and drug use started to get 204 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: out of control. Here's Leanne again. 205 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: I saw the drinking. I saw her being passed out 206 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: on the couch. I knew what it was from. I 207 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 3: knew that there was drugs involved. 208 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: I did cocaine, that was that was my drug of choice. 209 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: So there were times when she could not be a 210 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: mom and I was aware of that. 211 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember when your dad took custody of you guys. 212 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I was ten, my brother was eight. I remember 213 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: it was it was really rough. We didn't want it 214 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: to happen, and I remember my mom telling us it 215 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: was temporary and she didn't want it to happen either. 216 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: It was a very emotional time. 217 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: Still, Linn says she's glad her mom made the decision 218 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: to have someone else care for them for a while. 219 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 3: Because it probably saved us from having to go into 220 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: state's care. Because I do remember times where the state 221 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: did show up. 222 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: Lean says one time Child Protective Services came knocking. 223 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: And we had to hide, and she kept us very quiet, 224 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: and she kept us hidden so that we couldn't answer 225 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: the door. We couldn't make any noise, and I remember 226 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: that and that's something that I won't ever forget. 227 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: So instead of foster care, Leanne and her brother went 228 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: to live with their father in Colorado. But that wasn't 229 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: easy either. 230 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: My dad was probably a worse parent, and I held 231 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: my mom. I was angrier at my mom for that, 232 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: for putting me in that worse situation, and I went 233 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: through a lot of therapy and I realized it was 234 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 3: not my mom's fault that she could not be a parent. 235 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: At that time, Annette's life was spiraling. On October twelfth, 236 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, Annette and Corey were enjoying their usual 237 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: night of partying at the bar. 238 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: So I got stupid, I got drunk, stupid. 239 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: A heated argument ensued between Annette and Corey about another 240 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: girl Corey had wanted to take home, but Annette says 241 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: they eventually made up and he drove her home. At 242 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: the time, she was living with her brother and his 243 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: wife in a farmhouse. 244 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: We went back to the farm and we had sex. 245 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: He left, I passed out and that was the last 246 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: time I saw him. 247 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: The next evening, a Nette remembers being at home when 248 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: two of her coworkers came to the door. 249 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: They said, you need to come to the bar. Grandma 250 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: made you to ten bar. Corey is sick and I said, yeah, 251 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: well right, I said, he's got the brown bottles. 252 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: Annette says she thought she had to cover for Corey 253 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: because he had a hangover, but when she got to 254 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: work she found out the truth. 255 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: A coworker told her he said he's dead in that 256 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: and I just lost it. 257 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: Anette's best friend, her love, twenty two year old Corey 258 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Winnekey was dead. Annette couldn't believe it. She had just 259 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: been with Corey the night before. That morning, she had 260 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: even gone to Corey's house to apologize for the argument 261 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: they'd gotten in the night before. She says, she was 262 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: on her way to run Errand's in Iowa City with 263 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: her sister in law, Jackie, and they swung by his house, 264 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: but Corey didn't answer, so they went about their day. 265 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: At first, Annette says, everyone in town thought Corey had 266 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: been shot. 267 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: We thought someone broke in and shotted until it was 268 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: on the news. I don't know a day or two 269 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: later that he had been bludgend He. 270 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: Is found dead on the floor of his bedroom by 271 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: his living girlfriend fiancee, Jodi, and he has been beaten 272 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 4: to death. 273 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: This is Erica Nichols Cook. She's the director of the 274 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Wrongful Conviction Unit at the Iowa State Public Defender's Office. 275 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 4: There's no apparent weapon or breaking or known motive. He's 276 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: in his underwear next to his bed, So the state 277 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 4: has a. 278 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: Theory that. 279 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: Someone that he knew came into the house, was mad 280 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 4: at him and beat him to death. 281 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: When you found out he was bludgeoned, what did you think. 282 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: I thought angry husband or boyfriend? H that was my 283 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: very first thought. 284 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: At least one of the women Corey was seeing had 285 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: a husband. One woman even had his baby. 286 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: He had a really ship with another woman in town, Wendy, 287 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: and they had a child together, but a child that 288 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: he didn't acknowledge. 289 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: There were also drug related rumors. 290 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 4: There was speculation about drug dealing, whether he owed a 291 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 4: drug debt, and they did like parlays and gambling at 292 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: the bar, and whether gambling could have been a motive 293 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 4: for someone to want to kill Corey. 294 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Being one of the lovers, and Nett was also questioned 295 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: about the murder. 296 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: I was obviously suspect. 297 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: Annette and her sister in law Jackie, voluntarily went to 298 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 4: the police department because the earlier in that day before 299 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: his body is found, they had stopped at his house. 300 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 4: She and Corey had had a fight the night before 301 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 4: before having makeup sex and she just wanted to, you know, 302 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 4: touch base with them, see him. He didn't answer the door. 303 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 4: They had to leave for a doctor's appointment, but they 304 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 4: had been there and they wanted to help solve it. 305 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: So Annette took a lie detective test told she passed. 306 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: They didn't have any other suspects that really they could 307 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 4: place at Corey's house that day, and the investigation kind 308 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: of just goes cold. 309 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Leanne remembers trying to have a relationship with her mom 310 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: long distance after Corey's death. 311 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: I wasn't there to see the aftermath or the devastation 312 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 3: or the big depression that happened after. I was only 313 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: there to over the phone to hear it. I remember 314 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: the tears, the constant tears, and I remember the lack 315 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: of the phone calls. I remember the phone calls just 316 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: being just weeping when we did talk to her, which 317 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: was heartbreaking because you know, I was ten years old, 318 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: eleven years old. It was real hard to hear my 319 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: mom like that. 320 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: Once again. Annett was a. 321 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: Mess, just stupid, drunk. I was drinking, I was doing drugs. 322 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: But then she met Bill Cahill. 323 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: I met him in a bar well and I didn't 324 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: meet him at a bar. I saw him in a bar. 325 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: Bill was a friend of her brother Denny's, so she'd 326 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: see him around. 327 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: Never thought another thing about him until you know, we 328 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: talked and caught up a little bit. He's just a 329 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: good guy. He's he's just smart, and he's funny, and 330 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: he's more loyal than the day is long. 331 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: And Annette says he was good for her. 332 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: Our days weren't based on alcohol. We started going out 333 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: and the rest is history. We married in December of 334 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: ninety three and we've we're still married. There's the thing 335 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: about Bill. In thirty two years of knowing each other, 336 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: we've never had a fight. 337 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: Well, they do argue over classic rock. 338 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 2: He loves Phoebe ray Vaughn. I'm not a big fan. 339 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: So it's little tiny things like that. That's basically our disagreements. 340 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: We absolutely agreed how to raise the kids. 341 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Three kids, and Nett got her life straight, and Bill 342 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: took in Leanne and her brother as his own. They 343 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: even had another child. 344 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 3: My mom did a total one eighty totally grew up 345 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: as a parent, grew up as an adult. My brother 346 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: got museums as field trips. He got nutritional meals and 347 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: museums and the zoo and brand new school clothes and 348 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: never went without a meal. So by the time my 349 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: children came along, my children got the best grandma my grandkids. 350 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so my youngest grandson was born in twenty fourteen 351 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: and my oldest granddaughter was born in two thousand. 352 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: Like Annette, Leanne had her first kid young at seventeen. 353 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: My kids get this grandma who wanted to bake with them, 354 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: and wanted to cook with them, and wanted to teach 355 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 3: them all her recipes and wanted to fill up the 356 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 3: pool in the backyard and go splash around with them. 357 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: She created this thing called the Phenomenal Bags with them. 358 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 3: Whenever they were good, they'd get to a pick out 359 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: a dollar store prize out of these bags. So she 360 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: taught them the word phenomenal and what it meant, and 361 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: then she'd reward them for the silliest things. And like 362 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: it was just it was so neat to see that 363 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: that was the mom that I was so proud to have. 364 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 3: And I'm going to tear up while I'm saying this, 365 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: because because that was the mom that I was so 366 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 3: proud to see with my kids. That was the mom 367 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: that I wanted my kids to see that I had, 368 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: and they love her. 369 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: Finally, Annette Cahill was living her best life an adoring husband, grandkids, 370 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: baking and playtime. She also had a steady job. She 371 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: worked as a proofreader and in customer service at the 372 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: police Law institute, which does online training for law enforcement. 373 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: It was a far cry from her previous life, but 374 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: she still thought about Corey. She'd even check in with 375 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: the police for updates. 376 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: Through the years. I called them all the time, all 377 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: the time, and as for updates, you know, please, what's 378 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: going on? Do you have anything new? 379 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: Did you think calling would make you look suspicious? Like 380 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: when you were calling, what were you thinking? 381 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: Just that, you know, God, maybe they have something new. 382 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 4: And sometimes they did, every so often or every you know, 383 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 4: a few years, something would come up, or they would 384 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: have an agent working on cold cases. They visited a 385 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: psychic at one point about several other cold cases in 386 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 4: the region and tried to get information and leads. They 387 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: had received some information that a group called the Clan, 388 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 4: who was selling drugs in that area at the time, 389 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 4: were involved. You know, somebody's girlfriend would come forward and 390 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: say they bragged about breaking into this guy's house and 391 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: you know, killing him with the baseball bat. 392 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: A baseball bat was the presumed murder weapon. Investigators searched 393 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: the ditches on the rural road near Corey's house but 394 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: found nothing until a news reporter covering the story spotted 395 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: a bloody aluminum bat on the road. Police were able 396 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: to match the blood on the bat to Corey's blood type, 397 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: but that was it. Despite the leads, nothing panned out 398 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: for decades. 399 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: It was just in insane. At that point, I had 400 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: pretty much convinced myself that I was going to die 401 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 2: without ever knowing who committed the crime. So you came 402 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: to chunge with it and kind of moved on. 403 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: That was until March twenty eighteen, when the police came knocking, 404 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: more than twenty five years after the death of Corey 405 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: Winnikey and Nette ca Hill got a knock on her door. 406 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: It was Detective John Turbett. 407 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: He said, hey, had some you know, some new information, 408 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: some good news, you know, had some had some things 409 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: he wanted to show me, and I said, oh my god, 410 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: thank god finally. 411 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: So Annette went with him to the police station. 412 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: I walked into the interrogation room and I saw the 413 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: bat on a table and I just went cold, and 414 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: I thought, oh my god, they think it's me. They 415 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: think it's me, And then it just changed everything. 416 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: A Nette shut down. 417 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk to them. I said, you 418 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: have an hour of my time, and I said that's 419 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: all I have I was angry, really really angry. 420 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: Too, and Nette says Bill tried to support her and 421 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: tell her that the police just doing their job and 422 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: they hadn't accused her of anything yet. 423 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: But boy, when they came back in April, he really, 424 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 2: he really came at me with you know, you know, 425 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: our investigations closed in it, and you're the only one 426 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: we think you did it. 427 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: So how do they go from all of these leads 428 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: to a net. 429 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 4: It's one of the craziest things I've ever come across. 430 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 4: A DCI agent, Trent Valletta, was working another case and 431 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 4: was at the University of Iowa hospital one night. 432 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: It was twenty seventeen, and this agent with Iowa's Division 433 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: of Criminal Investigation says a nurse named Jesse Becker approached 434 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: him and said she. 435 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 4: Was nine years old in nineteen ninety two and she 436 00:26:53,160 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 4: was friends with Annette's niece and told DCI that she 437 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 4: knew who killed Corey. 438 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: According to Valletta, Jesse proceeded to share a memory she'd 439 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: been holding onto for twenty five years. Jesse said that 440 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: back in October of nineteen ninety two, when she was 441 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: nine years old, she was out a sleepover with them, 442 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: girls at her friend Kayla's house. Kayla was the daughter 443 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: of Denny Hazen, Anette's brother. Remember, at the time, Anette 444 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: lived at her brother's farmhouse, so it was the middle 445 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: of the night in nineteen ninety two, and Jesse told 446 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: the Letta she remembered sneaking down the stairs with another 447 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: girl for a snack. When they reached the bottom of 448 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the stairwell, they were stopped cold by the sound of 449 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: a woman's voice weeping. 450 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 4: They hear Annette apologizing for killing Corey, telling Corey she's 451 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: sorry she killed him, that she's lighting black candles. 452 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: From the stairs, Jesse said they saw a Nette sobbing 453 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: over the black candles, saying Corey, I never meant to 454 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: hurt you and I'm so sorry. I never meant to 455 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: kill you. I love you. Jesse would go I wanted 456 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: to tell police that after the sleepover, she had told 457 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: her mom, Cynthia, what she'd seen. She told her she 458 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: saw Annette crying and lighting black candles, and Cynthia allegedly 459 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: told her that, even though it was strange, she heard 460 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: that people sometimes burned black candles to bring out evil spirits. 461 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: Decades later, Cynthia would corroborate the story, adding that they 462 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: hadn't come forward because they were scared of a net 463 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: and law enforcement believed them. Several months after Jesse Becker 464 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: came forward with her story, Leanne remembers being. 465 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: At home and my cousin Shawna says text me and says, 466 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: oh my god, Leanne, I'm so sorry. Have you heard? 467 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: And I had no idea what she was talking about. 468 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 3: And I text her back in my lay is like, 469 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: have I heard what? And she says, your mom was arrested, 470 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: and instantly I knew what for. I knew it was 471 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 3: for Corey's murder. 472 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: On May thirty first, twenty eighteen, Annette Cahill was arrested 473 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: and charged with first degree murder for the death of 474 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Corey Winnikey. Almost a year later, she went to trial. 475 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: Prosecuting attorney Alan Ostergren contended that Annette killed Corey in 476 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: a jealous rage. 477 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 4: They painted a picture of a woman like a spurned 478 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 4: lover who wanted to run away with Corey, and that 479 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 4: was very jealous and mad. So the night before he dies, 480 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 4: they're all at Winks, including the baby mother Wendy, and 481 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 4: Annette gets mad and Corey's being mean to her at 482 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 4: the bar, and the state argues that a. Nett had 483 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: just had enough, and they said that she was so 484 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: angry at him that she killed him. 485 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Ostergren said that when Anette stopped by Corey's the morning 486 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: of October thirteenth, instead of knocking and leaving like she 487 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: told police, she actually went in the house and beat 488 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: him to death with the bat. The state called Jesse 489 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: Becker and her mom, Cynthia, to testify about what they 490 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: remembered from twenty seven years prior, and Jesse retold her 491 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: story about Annette and the remorseful crying and the black candles. 492 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: Leanne says it was surreal. 493 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: We were like, this is ridiculous, Like, who in the 494 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: world's going to believe this, especially off the memory of 495 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: a nine year old twenty five years later? 496 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: And the jury didn't believe it. They came back hung 497 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: nine to three to acquit but Ostergren was not going 498 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: to give up. 499 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, the county attorney said, you know, we're going to 500 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: retry this and we'll come up with some better evidence. Well, 501 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: how do you come up with better evidence? And then 502 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: then he did. He miraculously came up with Scott Pain. 503 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 4: Scott Paine's mom was good friends with the victim, Corey's mom, 504 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 4: and after the hung jury, the moms talked and then 505 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 4: called law enforcement and said, you need to talk to 506 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: Scott because he used to hang out at a nets 507 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 4: house with her brother and they did drugs together and 508 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: he saw them burning bloody clothes. 509 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: In a second trial in September of twenty nineteen, Scott 510 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: testified that back in ninety two he was at the 511 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: farmhouse hanging out when he saw a Net burning bloody 512 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: clothes in a burn barrel. In both trials, a Net's 513 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: attorney did not present much of a defense. They called Jackie, 514 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: a Net's sister in law, her alibi, but. 515 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 4: She got so twisted up and intimidated by the county attorney. 516 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: The county attorney that did this trial, he has a 517 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 4: reputation of being intimidating and style, and I don't think 518 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,239 Speaker 4: she was very prepared for that. And then she had 519 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 4: given so many statements over the twenty plus years that 520 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 4: it was very easy for her to get confused. 521 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Again, the jury went to deliberate, and again they came 522 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: back hung, so the judge ordered what's known as an 523 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: Allen charge. 524 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 4: The court tells them to keep deliberating, keep trying, and 525 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: they come back pretty quick after that unanimously guilty. 526 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Leanne couldn't believe it. 527 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,239 Speaker 3: The second time should have been a hung jury. But 528 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: then the judge says, nope, go back in. I don't 529 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: accept it. It just it blows my mind. 530 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Erica says, these kinds of charges can be coercive. 531 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: If the jurors are telling you that they can't come 532 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 4: to an agreement, telling them to keep trying isn't necessarily 533 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 4: going to do anything but put pressure on those that 534 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 4: are the holdouts, And our shows there was one or 535 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 4: two holdouts that got overpowered by the rest. 536 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: On September nineteenth, twenty nineteen, Annette Cahill was convicted of 537 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: second degree murder and eventually sentenced to up to fifty 538 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: years in prison at fifty six years old, essentially the 539 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: rest of her life. You said you don't think you'll 540 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: ever get used to it. I mean, do you think 541 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: about the possibility that this is your life now? 542 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? And I think you know. And people say 543 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: that if you have not thought of a way to 544 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: commit suicide, you're a liar, And that's true. If you 545 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: thought this is what you had to live every day 546 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: of your life. Yeah, you would, you would go in samee. 547 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: But fortunately someone with resources was paying attention to a 548 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: NETS case. 549 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 4: I kind of followed it in the news when they 550 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 4: made the arrest and thought it it didn't sound right, 551 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 4: didn't look right. 552 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: What about that didn't sound or look right? 553 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 4: The fact that a memory of a child it was 554 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 4: enough to me. It's just childhood memory is not reliable, 555 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 4: and there wasn't any forensic evidence, and in twenty nineteen 556 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 4: you expect there to be some forensic evidence, especially and 557 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 4: I really close contact a fence, right, it's a beating 558 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 4: is really personal. There's blood spatter everywhere, and there's nothing 559 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 4: to connect a NET to the bedroom or to a 560 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 4: supposed weapon or the victim, and so it always just 561 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 4: kind of raised red flags to me. 562 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: After her conviction, a NET appealed the lost so she 563 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: wrote Erica's office and we kind of just. 564 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: Jumped on it. I signed the contract on my birthday. 565 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: It was a pretty good gift. 566 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: And how is that been so far? Do you have 567 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: more hope now? 568 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: I have? Yeah, all the hope. Yeah, they have worked 569 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: so hard. 570 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: The prosecution relied primarily on the memories of a child 571 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: to try and convict a net and from the jump. 572 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: Erica and her team found holes in the prosecution's case 573 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: and Jesse's memories. At trial, Jesse testified that she remembered 574 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: creeping down the stairwell back in nineteen ninety two and 575 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: seeing a net from the steps lighting black candles. But 576 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: Erica says that would not have been physically possible. 577 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 4: It's not that kind of stairwell. It's enclosed with walls 578 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 4: and adore at the bottom of it. It's not possible. 579 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: Do we know who the other child was she said 580 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: she was with. Did anyone corroborate this? 581 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 4: So we've learned that there were well we believe to 582 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 4: be three girls at the sleepover, Kayla, another friend, Lindsay, 583 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 4: and then Jesse and investigators never talked to Lindsay, and 584 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 4: we have she's signed an affid David that nothing like 585 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 4: that ever happened. She you know, Anette didn't say anything, 586 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 4: They didn't creep down the stairs, and that nobody talked 587 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 4: to her before the trial. 588 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: So did Jesse make this story up? 589 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 4: She might believe she's telling the truth. There's no corroboration 590 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 4: for anything that Jesse says. There is, in fact, physical 591 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 4: evidence of the layout of the house that shows that 592 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 4: she's wrong, that her memory is wrong. I don't know 593 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 4: if she's looking for her attention, but this whole tip 594 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 4: the statement reignited the entire investigation and led to Anett's 595 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 4: wrongful conviction. 596 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: Reached out to Jesse for comment on Facebook and still 597 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: haven't heard back. Another detail worth noting is that around 598 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, Jesse's stepfather, Lester, had an affair with 599 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: a Net and later divorced her mother, Cynthia, though at trial, 600 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: Cynthia testified that she held no ill will against a 601 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: Net for sleeping with her husband. During their investigation, Erica 602 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: and her team wondered, if not a Net, then who, 603 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: So they followed up on those leads from decades ago. 604 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 4: Claims about who else had motive what they missed. We 605 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 4: have a claim about the living girlfriend, Jody that is 606 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 4: fascinating to me because in the discovery we just got, 607 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 4: there's letters that Jody wrote to Corey that are evidence 608 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 4: the race relationship wasn't great. 609 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: Jody, Corey's high school sweetheart and fiance. 610 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 4: That perhaps Jody wasn't okay with him having multiple other 611 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 4: girlfriends and sleeping with other people, and telling him that 612 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 4: he's going to have to move out. 613 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: Erica also says the letters from Jody to Corey about 614 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: their relationship being on the rocks were not disclosed to 615 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: the defense. She says this is a Brady violation with 616 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: holding potentially exculpatory evidence. 617 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 4: Once law enforcement believed jesse Becker, they found her to 618 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 4: be credible. She's former military, she's a nurse. The people 619 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 4: at the hospital like her. She's telling the truth. They 620 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 4: ignored everything that pointed away from a net, every other lead. 621 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: She says. The state did not investigate allegations that Corey 622 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: had stolen money from Winks, his family bar, that he 623 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: had a drug debt to dealers, or that he was 624 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: involved in illegal gambling. But Erica says most troubling. 625 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 4: They didn't even try to do DNA testing before the 626 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 4: trial to see if they could connect a net. Now 627 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 4: and DNA testing changes every few years. 628 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: Erica says, the results may have pointed them in a 629 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: different direction. 630 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,479 Speaker 4: We have an unknown female profile on the baseball bat 631 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 4: that doesn't match a NET or her sister in law, Jackie, 632 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 4: and we have a partial mail profile on the handle 633 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 4: that's not the victim. So we're continuing to investigate there 634 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 4: to present evidence of her innocence at trial. 635 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: So she was really just convicted on the word of 636 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: two people's memories, one of which is a nine year 637 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: old from three decades ago. Yes, a Net has a 638 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: hearing scheduled for April twenty twenty five to present all 639 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: the new evidence Erica and her team have found. 640 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 4: So we have an application for DNA testing, and then 641 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 4: we filed a application for post conviction relief alleging and 642 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 4: effective assistans of Council Brady violations for holding documents from 643 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 4: the trial councils and presenting false evidence about you know, 644 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 4: different things, and due process because the jurors. We interviewed 645 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 4: jurors and one of them described going home and researching 646 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 4: what reasonable doubt was on her own, which is a 647 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 4: no no. And the issues with the investigation. You know, 648 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 4: what they didn't do is what we've been trying to do. 649 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: How are you adjusting to her being in prison. 650 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not adjusting. I'm waiting for her to 651 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 3: come home. Every time I set up that video chat, 652 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 3: I've just another little piece of me, just. 653 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: Chips off and from a net too. 654 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 3: She's even losing her love for drawing, and that's really 655 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 3: hard because she's just losing pieces of herself as days 656 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 3: go by. 657 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: Anette wants to be home with her family, back to 658 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: playing with phenomenal bags and acquainting herself with new additions 659 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: to the family, her great grandchildren. 660 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 2: I have three grades that were born while I was 661 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 2: in here, so I would have to go through my 662 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 2: book and get the dates on that. My memory is 663 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 2: horrid now, stress is it's horrible on my memory. 664 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: That's something new for you. 665 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And Nett, what. 666 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: Do you want people to know about you? 667 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: But I'm not a monster. But I've never heard the soul. Okay, 668 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 2: I take that back. I have a physically soul. I 669 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 2: have done some stupid things in my life, but I've 670 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: never hurt anyone, not physically. And I have tried my 671 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 2: best to make up for any pain I've ever caused anyone. 672 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: I've tried to be giving and loving and generous and 673 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 2: kind this last thirty years because I knew I did 674 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 2: some stupid shit when I was young. 675 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,439 Speaker 1: You're a very honest person. It seems like you've had 676 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: a lot of time to think about, you know, life 677 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,760 Speaker 1: and life's mistakes. 678 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna 679 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 2: sugarcoat what I wasn't. And you know, there's times when 680 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 2: I was good, there's times when I wasn't. 681 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that's called being human. 682 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and the older we get, the easier 683 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 2: it is to admit that we're not always perfect. 684 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling. 685 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: Please support your local innocence organizations and go to the 686 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: links in the episode description to see how you can help. 687 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: If you're interested in contacting public officials about a NETS case, 688 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: you can reach out to the Muscatine County Prosecutor's Office. 689 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: We'll have links on our website, and if you live 690 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: in Iowa, you can reach out to your elected officials. 691 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: This episode was written by me Maggie Freeling, with story 692 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: editing and sound designed by senior producer Rebecca Ibada. Our 693 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: producer is Kathleen Fink. Our mixer is Josh Allen, with 694 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: research by Alison Levy and additional production help by Jeff Cleiburn. 695 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 1: Executive producers are Jason Flamm, Jeff Kempler, and Kevin Wortis. 696 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: The music is by three time OSCAR nominated composer Jay Ralph. 697 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: Make sure to follow us on all social media platforms 698 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: at Lava for Good and at Wrongful Conviction. You can 699 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: also follow me on all platforms at Maggie Freeling. Wrongful 700 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: Conviction with Maggie Freeling is a production of Lava for 701 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company Number one