1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome back to our purpose. I am so 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: grateful to be your daily, weekly, monthly listen every time 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: you join me, it means the world to me. And 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: today I'm going to let you in on something really special. 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: I'm excited for you to listen to this. This is 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: a really rare, early pre on purpose interview with Russell Brand. 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: And this conversation was when I was just testing out 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: my interview skills. I was just connecting deeper. It's one 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: of those conversations that's going to give you so many 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: insights on some really really fascinating things. If you know Russell, 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: he's funny, he's clever, he's smart, he's got great insight. 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: And we talked about everything from consumerist culture, living in 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: a perception of a perception of ourselves, and how opinions 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: of others affect our self worth and image. This is 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: genuinely one you don't want to miss. Make sure you 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: listen to this. It's one of those rare fines I 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: am so excited for you. Enjoy the episode. Hello everyone, 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: welcome to this very special episode of Follow the Reader, 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity where I get to interview the great minds 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: behind life changing books and ideas and today I'm genuinely humbled, grateful, 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: honored to have with me in the studio someone who 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: doesn't really need introduction, but I feel deserves one, and 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: I'd like to give you one, Russell, if that's okay. 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: But you know, award winning actor, comedian, director, presenter, and 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: on top of all of that, one of the most 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: loved and recognized performers on stage and someone that I 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: think is a fellow meditator and a very dear spiritual friend. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: So Russell, I'm so genuinely, deeply grateful that you took 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: the time out to be here with me. Thanks. I'm 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: really glad that you did the introduction because that's really 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: boosted me up. I'm really charged and positive now. Thanks 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Jaye good I'm glad where you definitely deserve it. And Russell, 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to start on something that you shared with 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: everyone on a video recently, and these were these stats 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: around addiction, yes, and they were quite alarming for me. 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I hadn't really come across them. I've got some of 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: them here. You said that over twenty million Americans over 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: the age of twelve have an addiction. One hundred and 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: forty two people die every day from drug overdoses, which 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: you rightly pointed out is like having nine to eleven 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: every three weeks. On top of all of that, one 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: million men think that they're addicted to pornography. And that's 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: only the ones that think it. You're right, and then 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: you have over ninety percent of those with an addiction 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: began drinking or smoking before the age of eighteen. But 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: what connected with me most is that with this book 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: that we're talking about today, Recovery Freedom from Our Addictions. 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I've popped the link into the comment section on Facebook 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: right now so you can order it. While we're having 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: this conversation, is you expanded that definition of addiction out 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: and you said that actually, in some form or another, 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: we're all addicts, whether it's mobiles, whether it's food, whether 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: it's money, whether it's power. Introduced us to that perspective 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: because it really resonated with me. You've completely understood the 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: resondet of the book, the reasoning behind it. Mate. I 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: think it's inevitable in a capitalist consumer culture that addiction 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: is a component because what consumerism is is that we 58 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: acquire an external commodity in order to make us feel better. 59 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: I've got these Nike trainers yesterday. These are sand I mean, 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: I also like these, but these Nike ones up well yesterday, 61 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: there was a moment before I purchased them where I 62 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: thought I want them, and the guy in the store, 63 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Alexis he was called and the other guy I think 64 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: he was called Mike. When I was getting these trainers, well, yes, 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: these are the ones. These are the ones. Now I'm 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: speaking to you as a recovering crack and heroin addict, 67 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: so I know what addiction is. All substance addiction is 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: it distills perfectly the phenomena of addiction, because if you 69 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: withdraw from heroin, you know what it is you need. 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of us jay suffer from 71 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the notion that there is something missing from our lives, 72 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: that there is something that is not whole about us, 73 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: that we are in some way inadequate, and we can 74 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: address this through consuming. Now our culture relies on us 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: feeling like this. Mate. Marx's critique says like that capitalism 76 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: operates on the basis of the perennial stimulation of desire. 77 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: If you don't need nothing, you ain't gonna buy no 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: sand Laurents or no Nikes as long as I feel 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: like I need things, I am a good, obedient consumer, 80 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: and consumerism is delivered some very good things. This is 81 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily an attack on consumerism, is just pointing out 82 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: that addiction I see as really like the outlier force 83 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: of consumerism. You know that when there's a tsunami, mate, 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 1: and like Apocryphale, people tell you that some animals before 85 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: the tsunami they go to the high lands. I think 86 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: that the addicts are the people that are on the 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: high lands. They know the storm is coming, they have 88 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: one less layer of skin. They get addicted to the 89 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: smack and to the food, and to the sex and 90 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: to the pawn. But everyone, I believe, on some level, 91 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: is suffering from this feeling of absence, this feeling of loss. 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you, and yeah, no, I genuinely 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: agree with you, and I think that's why we're looking 94 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: through in all these different places. And one of the 95 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: things that's that to me is that you said your 96 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: qualification for writing this book is that you're worse than everyone, 97 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: and you're crazy than everyone. And I felt that that 98 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: was one of the most refreshing approaches had ever read, 99 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: because most of the time people are like quoting all 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: their accolades and their achievements to say why they're an expert. 101 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: How do you someone who's feels that way and reflect 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: on yourself in that way? But then you adopted this 103 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: system and this structure, and in your own words, you say, 104 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: when you first heard about it, you thought that's not 105 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: for me. That program seems too systematic, right, it seems 106 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: to destructured. How were you able to do that? The 107 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: reason that it was important to me to express that 108 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm not coming from a didactic position is because now 109 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: that even when I come in this room here and 110 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: now at Facebook, I meet young people that are competent, lucid, 111 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: brilliant communicators, seemed like they were at ease and comfortable 112 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: of themselves at ways that I wasn't when I was 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: at that age. And I don't want to be writing 114 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: a book that comes at you from the perspective of 115 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: I've sorted myself out, I've been famous, I've had these 116 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: various experiences conjugally and physically and sexually and anatomically. No, 117 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: it comes from the position of me saying the reason 118 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: I know this program works is because it has to 119 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: work because I'm messed up that I get very attached 120 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: to things. I get attached to other people's feelings about me. Fame, celebrity, money, 121 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: those things really matter to me. But this helped me 122 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: to unstitch it. And this is what I believe Jay Shitty, 123 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: that we don't choose between working a pro like between 124 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: having a program and not having a program. Everyone's working 125 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: a program. You choose between your unconscious program and your 126 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: conscious program. If you don't deliberately have a program, you 127 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: are working an unconscious one. You're working the program of 128 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: your family, you're working the program of your society, you're 129 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: working the program of your culture, and a lot of 130 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: that programming is very negative. And it's by this diagnosis 131 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: that I say that we're all on the scale of addiction. 132 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: We're all using external things to hold our lives together, 133 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: and those things ultimately will not work definitely. And one 134 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: of the biggest ones that stood out to me, and 135 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: I think it was articulated really well by Charles Cooley. 136 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: When I read this, I thought you may like it. 137 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: It was Charles Coolie who said that today I'm not 138 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: what I think I am. I'm not what you think 139 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: I am. I am what I think you think I am. Wow, 140 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: And so we live in this that's brilliant. Yeah, and 141 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: you wrote this in the eighteen hundreds or something like that. 142 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: And and it's like he's reflecting on the how today 143 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: we're a perception of a perception of ourselves, perception of 144 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: a perception. And I really thought that resonated with what 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: you were talking about with how one of the things 146 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: that the program helps with is dealing help people view 147 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: us just make so many of us are wrapped up 148 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: in we need to have this thing because it makes 149 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: us look good this, so tell us a bit about that. Well, 150 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: I think what that quote you just used there from 151 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Charles Coolly really well illustrates is the idea that we 152 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: feel like we live in illusions all the time. When 153 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: it say, oh it's an illusion, it's an illusion. Well, 154 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: if you're living in what you think other people think 155 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: of you, that's already an illusion. It's built on conjecture, 156 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: it's built on speculation. You're not having a truthful and 157 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: visceral experience of your own life. You're thinking, what does 158 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: my life look like to other people? Do I belong? 159 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: Am I good enough? You're living in a projected image 160 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: of the self. That other great trope of mystical traditions 161 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: is stay present in the moment, stay connected in the moment. 162 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: This program is a system that delivers you to that 163 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: point where you can be present in the moment, and 164 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: then once you're there, there's a strong moral and effical 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: aspect to it. It's not just like let's bliss out 166 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: and sit in a cave or sit on the top 167 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: of some mountain or lose yourself in a loft. Is 168 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: connect and once you are connected, to be of service 169 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: to others, because that is where true connection and happiness 170 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: is found. Amazing. I'm addicted to hearing from you. Yeah, 171 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: I've been following you for the last week, watching you 172 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: talk about the book, and I get addicted to your 173 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: articulation of how you've been through this transformation and this journey. 174 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: Well possibly, Jay, It's worth pointing out that I always 175 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: believe that the drive behind addiction isn't itself negative. It's 176 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: the yearning to come back home. Like I think on 177 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: some level we all are aware this isn't real. Yeah, 178 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm defining my life by stuff that doesn't matter. I 179 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: think of the problems you had five years ago, where 180 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: are they now? They've all gone. All of the things 181 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: we cared about all of the cultural artifacts that fascinated us. 182 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: Where are they gone? Where are even the great leaders 183 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: that this country produced sixty years ago? Your civil rights geniuses, 184 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: they too lie dead, but their ethics, their morals, and 185 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: the things that are permanent and universal live on. So 186 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: we all have to find our own way to making 187 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: those kind of connections. If I'm not very careful, if 188 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm not deliberate, if I'm not focused, this culture, along 189 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: with my biochemistry, will pull me towards being a passive consumer, possible, 190 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: a commodifier of all things, looking at human beings, it's 191 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: just commodities to be consumed. No, I'm going to be 192 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: thinking some of your questions, and I've seen a great 193 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: one come through just a moment ago from Kevin, and 194 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: he says, Russell, can you recall any specific moments in 195 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: your life that shifted your perspective from the everyday norms 196 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: to who you are now? Well? Yes, I can't recall many. 197 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: When it comes to addiction. There are moments where I 198 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: was brought so low by addiction that it seemed apparent 199 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: that it couldn't go on. Like I got scars on 200 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: my body and scars on my mind from getting like 201 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: arrested and into situations that made me realize that that 202 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: level of reality won't work for you anymore. I sugget 203 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: I suspect from the way that that question is positive, 204 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: that you're talking about my relationship with reality and consciousness. 205 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: I suppose, mate, because I've been in positions where I've 206 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: been like a super super face amos and well ensconced 207 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: in celebrity. There's been these odd eerie they say, the 208 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: word epiphany means the revelation of essence. Do you know 209 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: what I mean by that? The revelation of truth? There 210 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: have been moments where I've been surrounded by a lot 211 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: of glamor and a lot of power, and I felt 212 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: sort of oddly brittle and disconnected from it, like it's 213 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: not real, Like it's not real. So I suppose, like 214 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: various times around possibly Golly, that when I came home 215 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: from the MTV VMA Awards the first time after I 216 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: hosted it, I got back to my house and have 217 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: been all these celebratory helium balloons put in my bedroom, 218 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: and they were half full by now and floating at 219 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: an eerie height, like sub aquatic creatures their way down 220 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: in the deep deep mind. And I got back to 221 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: my room and like I was getting all this hate 222 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: mouth and all these messages of hatred were coming, and 223 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: I felt, Ah, this is never going to work for you, Russell. 224 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: Plus I met this swami in India who says, Russell, 225 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: the material world has got nothing else to give you. 226 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: It can only take from you. Now made me feel 227 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: a bit sick. I didn't like it because I want 228 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: the material world to give me things. I wanted to 229 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: give me sex. I want it to give me money. 230 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to give me power, but I kind of 231 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: know now that it can't. The only thing that's useful 232 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: to me is true connection. But the reason this book 233 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: is written from the perspective of me say I'm worse 234 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: than you, is I'm capable of making a mess of 235 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: this on the way home in the car. Someone can 236 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: affect me in traffic, someone can say something I don't like, 237 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: and I'll be affected by it. It's important that we 238 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: acknowledge that we are flawed, we are not perfect. So 239 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: awakening is a continual process. We must awaken unto ourselves 240 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: moment a moment. Try to recognize the patterns we have, 241 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: Recognize the things that chain is to our habits, bad relationships, 242 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: bad beliefs, bad eating. Recognize them, and you can slowly 243 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: become liberated using various systems, one of which I've outlined 244 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: in that book. Step for it in the book is 245 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: you take a personal inventory of all the things that 246 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: have ever messed you up. So it might be things 247 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: in your childhood. It might be saying that your mum 248 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: did It could be something serious like maybe you didn't 249 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: grow up around your dad, or someone died that you needed, 250 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: or somebody abused you, or it could be something quite trivial. 251 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: You put it all down in a system. You use 252 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: these columns to a diagnose and analyze what happened to 253 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: you. You You do it yourself, but then you share it 254 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: with another person. It's important you don't do this stuff alone, 255 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: particularly if you're dealing with deep stuff. Now, it took 256 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: me five years and two days to do this, five 257 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: years not to do it, and then two days to 258 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: do it because I procrastinate and I didn't want to 259 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: do it, and I avoided it. I avoided it like 260 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I owed it money. But once I've done it, it it 261 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: revealed to me a lot of unconscious patterns. It revealed 262 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: to me that I get in trouble a lot in 263 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the same way, because, as I keep saying to you, 264 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: you don't choose between having a program and not having 265 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: a program. You choose to having a conscious program or 266 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: an unconscious program. That revealed to me that I care 267 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: too much about what other people think of me, that 268 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: I let fear govern me, that I don't feel like 269 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm good enough, I'm looking for other people's approval, I 270 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: don't trust people, and yet I don't want to be alone. 271 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: And once you recognize these things in yourself, you can 272 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: begin a journey of recovery, a journey of healing, and 273 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: get back on your intended path, become the person you 274 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: were meant to be. This feeling of frustration you have, 275 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: it'scause something in you knows that you can be something else, 276 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: but that your culture and your circumstances are preventing you 277 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: from real life. Saying, this is what it's meant by transcendence, 278 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: an opportunity to connect to what is true, what is real, 279 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: what is trying to be realized in you. You know 280 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: your culture, you know your life. You know the forces 281 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: that are in your life that are stopping you being 282 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: who you are. You have God is not in the 283 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: constellations of the stars. God is in your belly. God 284 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: is telling you when you're doing something you didn't want 285 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: to do. No, does anybody feel good after looking at pornography? 286 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. Immediately afterwards, when I slam that 287 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: live down or that was a good job, I feel 288 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: like let myself down? What have I just participated in? 289 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: So it's not that I'm trying to live my life 290 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: in accordance with an external morality. It's the morality is innate, inherent, 291 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: is present within already. And how did you recognize that 292 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: it was that that it was internal? I suppose because 293 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: after this, what these steps do, mate is they reveal 294 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: the truth of who you are, but they also acknowledge 295 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: that you're a flawed person, and it's very easy to 296 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: drift back to your own habits. It made me realize 297 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: that I'm better when I'm in relationship with another person, 298 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: when I speak openly with people that I can trust, 299 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: when I accept help from others, and when I offer 300 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: help to people as well. So I suppose it came 301 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: like you know, getting rid of heroin crack. That was 302 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: one level recognizing that promiscuity wasn't working. For me. That 303 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: was another level acknowledging the fame and materialism weren't working 304 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: for me. There's another level. Now. I still participate in 305 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: the world to still eat food and wear trainers and stuff, 306 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: but what I no longer have is the expectation that 307 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: these things are going to fill me up or make 308 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: me better. Yeah, And I think I love that balance 309 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: because I think sometimes it's really easy for people to 310 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: go totally the other way and say, actually, I don't 311 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: need any of it, and none of it has any purpose, 312 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: and it's all false, it's all fake, and it's not 313 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: going to do anything. But you're coming out from the 314 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: point of view of I get it. I like these trainers. 315 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: I bought them. Yeah, I know that they're not going 316 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: to meet eternal transcendental happiness, but I know that they're 317 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: going to make me feel good for a day. So 318 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: it's almost like a realistic expectation. I believe. So, Jay, 319 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we know people who have a stronger path 320 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: than us. Some people's path is they're not going to 321 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: participate at all in that thing, and I think our 322 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: culture needs that. Traditionally, in smaller societies, on the periphery 323 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: of the village would be the shaman, the wild man, 324 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: the priest, the people that were not quite in keeping 325 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: the society. So I think it's just it's difficult because 326 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: we live in an economic culture that's based upon productivity 327 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: that if you're not a productive member of that society, 328 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: and I mean economically productive, then you aren't given a role. 329 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: We need people that can't wear trainers, that can't look 330 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: at TV, that just want to spend all time meditating, 331 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: blissing out, bringing down radiant new dreams, imagining new realms 332 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: for us. There's a place in a utopia for those people. 333 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: It's just it's difficult to find a role for them 334 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: in a system of capitalist consumerism. You've touched it a 335 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: few times where so you've talked about not doing this 336 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: on your own, having people around that you trust. To 337 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: talk about in the book needing mentors. How useful is 338 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: that for you in the process of having worked with 339 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: people who've been through this steps and these program with 340 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: before you. It's absolutely vital for me, Jay to have 341 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: mentors because I'm still crazy. I still have bad ideas 342 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: every single day. Now I have the opportunity if I'm 343 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: thinking of doing something crazy, I ring some up before 344 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: I do it. That's the keep it before I do it, 345 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: and go, hey, I'm thinking of doing this crazy thing. 346 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: Shall I do it? Don't do the crazy thing? And 347 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: then I have a moment and I don't do the 348 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: crazy thing. Because when you're emotional, you were emotionally involved 349 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: in your own life, and your emotions stop you being 350 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: rational and clear headed. But other people you know this. 351 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: But when I give advice to other people, I give 352 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: good advice. If Jay, you were to ask me, oh, listen, 353 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: this is happening in my life, I go, oh no, 354 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: don't do that. Moment life, I'm like an idiot. I'm 355 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: making stupid mistakes, I'm knocking stuff over, I'm being sick 356 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: down my own top. I'm a fool. Then Jay's life, 357 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm very wise. So it's important to have the counsel 358 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: of other people. Collectively and in community, we are powerful. 359 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: It's only as individuals we're very, very stupid. And how 360 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: long did it take you to go from calling someone 361 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: after you messed up to before? That's a key part 362 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: of the journey, because like it's very easy to bring 363 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: someone when you're smacked up off your head, or if 364 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: you're drunk, or if you've just made yourself puke up 365 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: in a toilet, or you've bought some dumb stuff, or 366 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: we've looked at some pornography, we've spent too much time 367 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: staring at your phone. Go oh, I've done it. I 368 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: feel filthy, I don't feel good anymore. If you bring 369 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: them in advance of it, then get an opportunity to 370 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: do something else. Here are the simple things you do. 371 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: You speak with someone who's further down the path than 372 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: you are, You speak to someone who's not so far 373 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: down the path, and you help them, and you just 374 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: think about what they're doing for a change. And then 375 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: also in addition to this, you seek the collective company, 376 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: so that you recognize your identity as a member of 377 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: a community however you identify and importantly prayer and meditation 378 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: for me, a recognition of the transcendence and people that 379 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: can help you in those areas that are further down 380 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: that particular path. Now, how much of you seen that 381 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: help other people that were on the journey with you. 382 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: Has that been a strong part of their journey? Is 383 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: that very unique to yours? Or I think it is universal. 384 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: I think it's for all of us. But how we 385 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: conceive of a higher power changes. You know, there's nine 386 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: or whatever people in this room, and we all have 387 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: a different idea of what God or higher power might be. 388 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Some of us will be atheist. We don't. We believe 389 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: that everything has come from material. My sense is that 390 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: there must have been consciousness prior to material, that material 391 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: cannot produce consciousness. But other people think that no, no 392 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: material can produce consciousness. It's a big debate. It's been 393 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: going on forever, it'll probably go on forever. The important 394 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: thing is that we recognize that, however it got here, 395 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: his spirit is a part of who we are now. 396 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: So I know people that are atheists that stay clean 397 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: and improve their lives. I know people that are sick 398 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: or Buddhist or Christian or Muslim that get clean. The 399 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: important thing is that we have a sense of connection 400 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: to one another and a connection to a higher self, 401 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: rather than just thinking I'm just me and what I 402 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: want is important because if I think like that, I'm 403 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: going to spend all my time hitting up the pipe, 404 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: watching porn, making bad choices. Yeah, definitely, And how incredible 405 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: would it be if we had a planet where everyone 406 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: was thinking about everyone else, because then everyone would have 407 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: seven people thinking about them as opposed to one, which 408 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: is quite an incredible thing to think about. I just 409 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: want to comment on how much I love the book, 410 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: at how step orientated it and how structured it is. 411 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: So when you flick through this book, there's loads of 412 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: little activities that you can actually do, and I love 413 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: that because I love being able to put your thoughts 414 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: down on paper. Just getting out of your head. It's 415 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: such an important thing. And I think if you don't 416 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: have frameworks and structures to get them down, we just 417 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of live up, going around and around around, which 418 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've experienced a lot of I love. Yeah, Jay, 419 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: it's funny you bring that up because I heard a 420 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: thing from a neurologist the other day. It was on 421 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: a podcast. I'm not hanging out with neurologists, right, And 422 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: there goes that when you engage your rational mind, it 423 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: takes you out of your emotion. It's very curious if 424 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the Step ten thing in this program is if something's 425 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: bothering you say, like like if Jay, when we're outside 426 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: when Russell, who look terribly overweight, which Jay would never 427 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: say because he's too enlightened, as I've already mentioned, and 428 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, instead of thinking about that and worrying about it. 429 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: I'd go Jay, because he said that thing about me 430 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: being overweight. This affects my pride, It affects my self esteem, 431 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: It affects my personal relations. That's not the script i'd 432 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: give Jay. I want Jay to say the other stuff. 433 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: Does it affect my sexual relations? No? Jay and I 434 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: both married. And then my ambitions, yem, my ambition to 435 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: be like in control of my own life. There's a 436 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: whole system now when you go into the fourth column, 437 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: and you should check this stuff out on my website, 438 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: Russell brand dot com. You can see it. Who's that 439 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: lovely guy? Like? It asks you various questions. Did I 440 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: make any mistakes? Yeah? I care too much about what 441 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: other people think of me. What are your fears? My 442 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: fears are that if other people don't love me, I'm 443 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: not good enough. Now when so, it puts you in 444 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: a national part of your mind, and it also starts 445 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: to help you to understand what patterns are at play 446 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: when you feel bad about yourself. What are the patterns 447 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: you know? Like, why is it so if people let 448 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: me down? I'm really strongly affected by it because it 449 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: reaches back into my past at times when I was 450 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: let down, when I was small and fragile, I guess, 451 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: and I think everybody's got their own version of that. 452 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: This helps you to unpick the tapestry of your broken 453 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: consciousness and restore to you a screen of pure mind 454 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: through which a new radiant light can emerge and self 455 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: realization can take place. I wanted to read a bit 456 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: of a bout. If you don't mind, I'm sure your 457 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: audio version is is far better that this married lady. 458 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: There's this beautiful, beautiful piece in the book which you 459 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: call here is a postcard from the other side. Here 460 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: is a postcard from the other side. Fame, luxury items, 461 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: and glamor are not real and cannot solve you. Whether 462 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: it's a pair of shoes, a stream of orgies, a 463 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: movie career, or global adulation, they're all just passing clouds 464 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: of imagine every pleasure. It's true, you know, although I've 465 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: still got those shoes. There's very well read that Jay, 466 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: and it is no. You did it more than justice. 467 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: You brought it to life. It's wonderful. But like so, 468 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: I suppose, yeah, I like that. You know, it's a 469 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: very common metaphor, the idea of passing clouds. We all 470 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: recognize that clouds are impermanent and the result of precipitation, 471 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: and similarly, the vapors of consciousness form into clouds, but 472 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: they will pass. What we attached to is what's important, 473 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: particularly if you want to create a sort of a 474 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: positive ecology in our own consciousness. So I'm going to 475 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: touch on this before we're gonna go. We're gonna do 476 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: a quick fire round with Russell, which, as you know, 477 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: is the on the spot questions. Nice rapid fire you're so, 478 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: But before we do that, I did want to touch 479 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: on something which I thought was pretty incredible you say 480 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: in the book. I believe it's in the seventh step 481 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: where you say that you're careful not to judge your parents, 482 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: and I when I was reading that bit, I was 483 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: just thinking, even judging or shifting blame is an addiction 484 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: in our lives. We always trying to find to fob 485 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: it off onto someone else. So yeah, it's actually that 486 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: person's fault that I never got there, or it's because 487 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: of that person that I have these difficulties. And I'm thinking, 488 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: how did you stop yourself or grow to the point 489 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: where you didn't want to judge your parents? Or judge 490 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: anyone who'd yes, mate, Well, what it is is. Of 491 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: course people make mistakes, but I've learned to recognize as 492 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I've got older. The older I get, the more easy 493 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: my childhood was, the more I recognize that my parents 494 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: just ordinary people like me making their way through life. 495 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: By justifying your pain and by blaming, we recommit to 496 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: the pain. Well, of course I feel like this, this 497 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: happened to me, That happened to me. You're signing another 498 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: contract to continue with the pain. If you say, Okay, 499 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: those things happened, but I want to let go of 500 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: them now, and I want to move forward. You have 501 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: an opportunity to reimagine your world and reimagine your place 502 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: within it. So I'm sure terrible things happened to people. 503 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: People are abused, people are let down, people don't do 504 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: what they should do as parents. People make all sorts 505 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: of mistakes, But by holding onto that pain, you recommit 506 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: to reliving it. Of course, it's wrong that you're abused, 507 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: if you were abused, but what's even more wrong than 508 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: that is that you continue to allow it to affect 509 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: your consciousness now, in this moment when you could be free. Definitely, So, guys, 510 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: if you're ready for the quick player on the spot 511 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: around with Russell Brand pressor likes, I'm gonna press that 512 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: share button. I'm going to ask him these questions. They're 513 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: going to evolve from what may seem quite inferior and insignificant, 514 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: but then walking into depth, deeper depths of yourself. A right, 515 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: So we can start in very shallow, yeah, like a 516 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: paddle in a stream, and then we're leaping into the 517 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: deep blue exactly. I'll follow you there with or without trunks. 518 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Thank you us. So here we go. Are you a 519 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: morning person or a night Sometimes I wake up in 520 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: the morning for an pretty depressed actually, but I can't 521 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: go to bed late no more because I've got a baby. 522 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: So you have to become a morning person because that 523 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: baby determines it. So has that been becoming a father 524 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: obviously very recently? Congratulations? Thanks man, and a lot of love. 525 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: I've beautiful child you have and yeah, how's that be? Well, 526 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: what it's done is it's unraveled my narcissism and puked 527 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: and spat on it and done a pool on it 528 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: because I now know I'm not the most important person 529 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: in the world. Because there's a little baby who just 530 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: thinks I'm an absolute idiot and punches me in the 531 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: face pretty regularly, and she just thinks I'm the guy 532 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: that holds the screen that in the night gardens on. 533 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: So that's put me really in my place. You know. 534 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: It really funny. Someone said to me recently that when 535 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: they had a child, that was the first time they 536 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: realized that life was about service. And I was thinking 537 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: that often we wait so long to figure that out. 538 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: It's like what you're saying in this book is just 539 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: like get on with it. Like wherever you are, whatever 540 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: stage you're out, whatever challenges you've had, it's like the 541 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: quicker you can get to that, Like why wait that long? Yeah, 542 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: it was just someone shared that with me. So favorite 543 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: word or quote, okay, quote a lot of great people. 544 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: All right, here's this Herman Melville quote that I like 545 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: all of humans science are but passing fables. I like 546 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: this because when we think of how advanced we are scientifically, 547 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: here we sit in this great hub of technology. One 548 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: day it's hard to think, isn't it that we will 549 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: look back at this and it will be like some 550 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: whirring steampunk, daft old engine of silly old pistons and 551 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: buckles and cogs. Similarly, with our understanding of quantum physics 552 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: and entanglement ideas that are so baffling. Now it will 553 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: be revealed to us new, true, deeper truths. So what 554 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: we understand as reality on the physical and mechanical level 555 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: is constantly evolving. Therefore, we have to find a transcendent 556 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: perennial truth, and this I believe is available to you 557 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: in some of the ancient scriptures, possibly all of them. 558 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: It's usually to do with oneness and love. As you 559 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: can tell, this is not going very rapid fire. But 560 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: it's good. Oh yeah, it's fine, it's good. It's good. 561 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: Last book you read, I'm reading maybe Dick at the moment. 562 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: I like that book by Herman Melville. Awesome. If you 563 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: could have a superpower, what would it be? Oh no, okay, 564 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: I want to have to subdivide myself into loads of 565 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: people like clone Mesa, be inside people I not think 566 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: like they are. But oh now that's quite a good one. 567 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: What I leap into other people's conscious Yes, I didn't 568 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: know that was available. Yeah, having your okay, if you 569 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: are not what you are today, what would you be? 570 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: God knows? Man? I mean, like like I probably want 571 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: to work with children, because the only thing other than 572 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: like shoving off is hanging out with kids. What job 573 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: would you be terrible at? Like anything where I had 574 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: to be involved in rational for and organizing stuff. I'd 575 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: be like when I used to be a male man. 576 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: For example, I stole the letters and didn't deliver them. 577 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: Because that's quite bad, isn't it. Why do you meditate? 578 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: Because none of this is real and I need to 579 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: attach to truth. Best thing about being a dad That 580 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: kid has opened new continents of love in my heart, 581 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: like Columbus. Best thing about being a husband, constancy, permanent love. 582 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: The best thing about knowing you're more than the body 583 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: and the mind. Freedom, amazing. Best lesson from Hollywood. Don't 584 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: determine your self worth on what other people think of you. 585 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Best advice you've ever received? Oh no, like from our 586 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: shared friend and teacher, rather Naswami. He goes, goes, what 587 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: if I become a monk? He laughed in my face, said, 588 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: I do not think it's your dama to become a monk. 589 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: The monks don't want me, so not becoming a monk. 590 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: Good advice and best advice you've ever given. M. I 591 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: don't know really because I don't know the effects of it, 592 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: but like hopefully it's something like you have everything you need, 593 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: you are enough, You are enough, you are beautiful. That's amazing. Guys. 594 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: That's it. You've been watching Recovery with Russell Brand, follow 595 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: the Reader. I hope that you're going to go and 596 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: click and order this book today. It's there in the comments. 597 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: If anything we said connected with you resonated with you, 598 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: please please please go through. I know that reading this 599 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: for me has made me find new ways of reflecting 600 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: on flaws that I thought had overcome. Wow, And I 601 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: thought that was really quite incredible. There were things that 602 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: I thought maybe I've overcome this, maybe and maybe this 603 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: is done now, and then when I read this, I 604 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: was like, no, it's not. I've not made that list 605 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: and gone through every single part of it. So I've 606 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: got loads from this, and I really hope you will too. 607 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: But thank you, Russell Way, thank you, thank you so much, 608 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Harry Chrishna, Chrishna, thank you very good. Thank you so 609 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: much for listening to this episode. Please leave a review. 610 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: It means the world to me, and I can't wait 611 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: to see you next week. I am so excited. I've 612 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: got some big announcements coming up. You'll hear about them soon. 613 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.